GGoats!! - An aMAAAAAHzing WW thread

[Aprilthearab]

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95% confidence interval on at least one wolf between mayo and april, I'm just not sure if it's only one

Hmmm...but would I eat a hat on it...

 

[Zenge142]

Hmmm...but would I eat a hat on it...

You want me to cook you up one of my famous enchilada headdresses?

 

[Aprilthearab]

By the way I still am not confident what eating a hat means

 

[WildZoo]

I'll probably eat a hat if mayo isn't a wolf tbh, but not my hat, that one is always wrong

 

[Animal Midwife]

I guess the april/mayo crossvote d1 makes that less likely. But, I don't remember if mayo has a bus driver's license.

mayo did bus in his wolf noob game, but timing's difficult to narrow down since most the roster didn't start voting until after 8pm. So whether it was late or early is subjective.

 

[Crayola227]

Uh, so fear you're a bomb is supposed to stay the killing hands of wolves every game that you boast villagers cannot win without you? Uh, OK.

@Animal Midwife you said that you blowing up is one way for you to not be NK'd N1/2 by wolves. I don't understand what you mean by that as a strategy, besides the idea that you would not be targeted for fear your role is a bomb or something.

 

[Aprilthearab]

alissa wouldn't talk about this game, outside of me, despite my attempts to get her to do so for 48 hours. I'd like quote evidence that I wasn't talking with everyone else though. This is a blatant lie.

Here are my and Shorty's requests for you to join back into current game discussion:

Can we try and stay on the topic of this game for the moment since yeet closes in 15 minutes? We can rehash old games on the signup thread maybe?

@alissa14 who are your other wolf reads aside from AM

@Crayola227 @Animal Midwife this conversation kind of feels like it can happen at a different time. Are we interested in someone other than Alissa?

Here are all of your posts between 9:45 and 10:00 EST, all of which were addressed to Alissa, Cray, and one to Shorty that didn't actually involve coming back into gameplay:

Then don't bring up points you don't know anything about.

How many years ago was that? And did it happen before or after wolves were already mechanically outted?

Nope. The rest of the village can just start playing more villagey than me so I don't have to die every time. The goal is to improve the village, not play in a way that makes wolves comfortable. If I'm going to keep getting N1'd/N2'd, maybe there's a lesson in there was for what's optimal village play.

Sorry, it's just what flavor alissa cares about instead of searching for wolfreads.

I just lost a ton of respect for your play if this is a serious statement.

No, but you can try the village's method of hunting wolves while we're this close to the end of the cycle.

Yes, I will every time I get held to an unrealistic standard. It's annoying to be expected to solve the game and get crap when I don't know everyone affiliation's instantly when I can't even get them to work with me. What you put in, is what you get out.

Either I'm the best there ever was and keep pushing me for not knowing every wolf yet or let me breathe and I'll stop mentioning the obvious.

And we've long moved past that.

I've told you to stop putting me on a pedestal for 2 years now. Take what I'm saying as a hint.

You haven't even tried it. You're just arguing with me.

Stop holding me to an unrealistic standard. Let me wolfhunt like everyone else.

Hm.

 

[Animal Midwife]

This is a more emotionally manipulative statement than I expected from AM.

In fact, even at her worst bully moments with Kras I didn't feel AM was being as emotionally manipulative of village as she's trying to be right now. And that is the only real wolf tell I have on AM. I'm going to keep reading and exploring my theory of a wolfWife, in case I'm wrong I don't want to give wolves and pissy villagers the opening on her.

Be glad you've never had to walk in my shoes then. The second I get policy yeeted, as a village read, for saying me dying has a correlation to losing, is the second I realize you never cared about the game but rather your own insecurities from comparing yourself to me.

 

[WildZoo]

I still think it's super rude that SDN won't let me ignore my own posts

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife you said that you blowing up is one way for you to not be NK'd N1/2 by wolves. I don't understand what you mean by that as a strategy, besides the idea that you would not be targeted for fear your role is a bomb or something.

If I die D1, then I can't die N1. It's about Pippy being a vengeful. No bombs.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Here are my and Shorty's requests for you to join back into current game discussion:


Here are all of your posts between 9:45 and 10:00 EST, all of which were addressed to Alissa, Cray, and one to Shorty that didn't actually involve coming back into gameplay:

Okay, in that list, half are about current events. Where exactly is the distraction?

 

[Crayola227]

I didn't swing onto Genny in the last game. I talked about it all day.

But the moment you swung and gave your reasoning felt abrupt, probably because all the talk before you did felt cheap. That feeling is here too.

 

[Animal Midwife]

There's a very small thing stopping me from going headfirst onto the mayo wagon. I don't want it to stop because he needs the pressure. I'm just watching to see if it's a false flag or not.

In the meantime, I'm doing this.

Yeet April

I have her/sunshine as not w/w and am near certain that if one flips wolf the other is village and vice versa.

 

[Aprilthearab]

But the moment you swung and gave your reasoning felt abrupt, probably because all the talk before you did felt cheap. That feeling is here too.

Okay

 

[Crayola227]

yes, Zenge

@sunshinefl still feel this way? Reads today? What do you make of yesterday?

 

[WildZoo]

This is actually working quite well. Mayo/april direct interactions:

Spoiler: Day 1

@holdthemayo I love your new profile pic

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I read it as noob village.

I think if they only read basics they might think that bussing is a common D1 strategy. idk

Taking note of this, since I don't trust you're village yet

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If Pippy flips wolf, April is also a wolf. Same logic as last game.

Do you really think w/v is not possible here?

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@Aprilthearab regardless of what you might flip, why didn't you self prez?

Spoiler: Day 2

Nothing Samac has said in particular has pinged me in either direction so far but this is giving me typical Samac "I'm village you ****ers" village!Samac vibes. Not ready to move Samac out of neutral but taking note of it.

I'm not sure why, but this struck me as really village and is making me rethink my vote on you.

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@Aprilthearab

You aren't on the chopping block tonight. No self-prez. What are your honest thoughts.

I think we've (myself included) gotten very wrapped up in Sun and I need to take a step back and not let the heat of the argument cloud my decision, might take me a minute. Village leans on zenge, shorty, cray, and mkg. Can elaborate if needed. More than a few still in neutrals. Starting to think Sun is a really frustrated villager and I'm not comfortable putting my vote there tonight. When I was catching up, some things that Alissa called me out for seemed intentionally taken out of context, and now I think she's letting Sun dig her own grave. Although I haven't really mentioned it, Barks is giving me weird vibes and it's something I can't really put my finger on, but that's not where I want to put my vote less than an hour before yeet close with such a shaky basis. Some people have mentioned the same about doggo and I need to think about that too.

I think I am most comfortable putting my vote on Alissa tonight unless something big changes.

Yeet Alissa

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Unyeet WZ
Yeet Doggos

Just seeing if anyone is willing to bite on anything other than the Alissa wagon.

I hope I'm wrong, but it seems flimsly.

I was actually thinking Doggo might be a viable option before you said that. I'm comfortable with that.

Unyeet Alissa
Yeet Doggo

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This is more of a mention but I found it while I was going back through everything:

Oh yeah, also didn't like the april move to doggo

Where do you think she should have voted?


Alissa was a bad vote, and was pointed out several times.

Almost a defense of april? Little odd.

In general it's lackluster amount of interaction for two players who apparently have each other in their wolf reads. And I think it's odd that almost every time they do interact, it's like question, answer, and then silence. If it is w/v I still think mayo comes out looking worse because it doesn't seem like he actually cares about april's answers to his questions, or about really pushing her vote even though she was his top wolf read. But I do think w/w is possible here.

 

[Crayola227]

I've told you to stop putting me on a pedestal for 2 years now. Take what I'm saying as a hint.

For the record AM my fascination with you has never had to do with your producing reads or even correctly naming wolves. For me it's always been your process and views on WW theory. So I'm sorry if you've felt a pressure to perform. Frankly I care less if you're right and care more about how you reach your conclusions.

 

[Crayola227]

Wz's current analysisyzing has me put her much more firmly back in my village piles. I expect to die tonight so you guys should still keep an eye on her.

 

[WildZoo]

Now I must focus on actual work before my PIs murder me for being late on everything

 

[Crayola227]

did an ISO when I was thinking... why doggo? but now i see. This reads list feels eerily similar to the ones we put together for her when I wolfed with her in Milkshakes WW

unyeet AM
yeet doggo

One of the wolfier posts from a villager I've seen lol

 

[Crayola227]

Did something change your read on her from an hour ago?

Thoughts on samac?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Thoughts on samac?

I have her as slightly wolfy.

 

[WildZoo]

Baaaaad to the Bone
mayo
april
samac

Meh!
lainey
dina
barks

Totes Ma Goats
AM
sunshine
doggo
mkg
zenge

GOAT
cray

 

[Aprilthearab]

Then don't bring up points you don't know anything about.

How many years ago was that? And did it happen before or after wolves were already mechanically outted?

Comment to Alissa about prior game.

Nope. The rest of the village can just start playing more villagey than me so I don't have to die every time. The goal is to improve the village, not play in a way that makes wolves comfortable. If I'm going to keep getting N1'd/N2'd, maybe there's a lesson in there was for what's optimal village play.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Sorry, it's just what flavor alissa cares about instead of searching for wolfreads.

Response to Shorty's request to get back on track without actually offering anything new to discussion.

I just lost a ton of respect for your play if this is a serious statement.

Criticizing Alissa's gameplay.

No, but you can try the village's method of hunting wolves while we're this close to the end of the cycle.

Criticizing Alissa's gameplay.

Yes, I will every time I get held to an unrealistic standard. It's annoying to be expected to solve the game and get crap when I don't know everyone affiliation's instantly when I can't even get them to work with me. What you put in, is what you get out.

Either I'm the best there ever was and keep pushing me for not knowing every wolf yet or let me breathe and I'll stop mentioning the obvious.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

And we've long moved past that.

Comment to Alissa, unhelpful.

I've told you to stop putting me on a pedestal for 2 years now. Take what I'm saying as a hint.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

You haven't even tried it. You're just arguing with me.

Criticizing Alissa's gameplay.

Stop holding me to an unrealistic standard. Let me wolfhunt like everyone else.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Hm.

Two letter response to Alissa's vote.

 

[WildZoo]

If conversion story is true, thinking 2+1 or 3+1 for woofs

D1 bussing less likely if 2+1

 

[Animal Midwife]

Comment to Alissa about prior game.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Response to Shorty's request to get back on track without actually offering anything new to discussion.

Criticizing Alissa's gameplay.

Criticizing Alissa's gameplay.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Comment to Alissa, unhelpful.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Criticizing Alissa's gameplay.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Two letter response to Alissa's vote.

Why is me telling alissa that voting for her is no longer about salt or trying to engage her in wolfhunting unhelpful? I also don't see how talking to Cray was unhelpful. You can say unrelated, I guess (even though it's about me in this game), but the former doesn't make sense.

 

[kaydubs]

MOSTLY OFFICIAL D3 Yeet Tally

mayo (5) - Cray, Doggo, DubZ, April, Zenge
April (1) - AM


6/13

Leading: @holdthemayo
Missing: many

Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern/11pm AST/9pm Central/7pm fantasyland (~9.5 HOURS)

CHECK YO VOTES

 

[Aprilthearab]

Why is me telling alissa that voting for her is no longer about salt or trying to engage her in wolfhunting unhelpful? I also don't see how talking to Cray was unhelpful. You can say unrelated, I guess (even though it's about me in this game), but the former doesn't make sense.

We already knew you were voting Alissa, it didn't make any difference or any help for you to keep criticizing her. The rest of us were trying to discuss other players.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I hated Alissa's lack of wolfhunting immediately prior to yeet close just as much as everyone else, but I don't think it was useful discussion time to continue to hound her about something she obviously was either not willing to accomplish or not able to accomplish with 15 minutes left to yeet close.

 

[Animal Midwife]

We already knew you were voting Alissa, it didn't make any difference or any help for you to keep criticizing her. The rest of us were trying to discuss other players.

Can you lay out some reasons that it would be beneficial to park on a vote and not try to talk to the candidate?

I hated Alissa's lack of wolfhunting immediately prior to yeet close just as much as everyone else, but I don't think it was useful discussion time to continue to hound her about something she obviously was either not willing to accomplish or not able to accomplish with 15 minutes left to yeet close.

So what should have been done with alissa instead?

 

[Crayola227]

Arguably if someone was trying to avoid a last min wafflefest to another player off a top wolf read, then it would be best to keep hounding that player than to discuss elsewhere.

Just read a mafiascum wiki article about this.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Can you lay out some reasons that it would be beneficial to park on a vote and not try to talk to the candidate?

So what should have been done with alissa instead?

When you have already discussed with the candidate multiple times and obviously come to a dead end with discussion, and when everyone else is needing your input on other candidates.

I don't have a good answer for that. Personally, as already explained, my wolf feel of her dropped off once everyone started jumping off of Sun and onto Alissa and she showed up just sounding like a completely defeated (and honestly not very useful) villager. Given the last game where all the "bad" villagers were yeeted for a wolf win, there really is no good answer to that except hoping that in the next game people are more involved and committed. Either you risk yeeting inactive villagers or you risk losing to inactive wolves. It sucks.

 

[Crayola227]

I’ve already posted this but it seems as if they are pretty absent, don’t directly answer questions or avoid responding. Flipped sunshine from wolf to village quickly after just skimming through everything.

Want to highlight this case on samac

Feel a palpable improvement in Laineys play and analysis

 

[Zenge142]

Baaaaad to the Bone
mayo
april
samac

Meh!
lainey
dina
barks

Totes Ma Goats
AM
sunshine
doggo
mkg
zenge

GOAT
cray

Why do you have Barks as “Meh”, but Doggo as “Totes Ma Goats”?

Just wondering if you can expand on your positioning of these two.

Mayo is right that Barks has seemed more active in wolf hunting, and general thread presence. I stand by my stance that it’s an absurd reason for Mayo to try and build a case against Doggo, just because Barks has been more active. They shouldn’t be tied together in this dichotomy like that.

But I’m curious to know why you’ve got the two of them stationed where you do.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm only hostile to weak arguments.

Omg I had to double-check that it wasn't AM that said this.

 

[supershorty]

Omg I had to double-check that it wasn't AM that said this.

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She's hostile to more than weak arguments
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[LaineyLou]

As a group, it wasn't productive anymore and thus WE needed to take a step back, including myself. I'm not sure what is so wolfy about that wording?

I see, thanks for the clarification. It just seemed slip like but I understand what you meant now!

 

[Crayola227]

IT IS NOT A GIANT GOTCHA IT WAS *A* NOTE I MADE THAT EVERYONE HYPERFOCUSED ON TO CALL ME A LIAR EXCEPT IT WAS TRUE. *YOU* TRIED TO TURN IT INTO A GIANT GOTCHA AGAINST ME.

Honestly shorty was doing this to me too. It's a thing I think.

 

[WildZoo]

Why do you have Barks as “Meh”, but Doggo as “Totes Ma Goats”?

Just wondering if you can expand on your positioning of these two.

Mayo is right that Barks has seemed more active in wolf hunting, and general thread presence. I stand by my stance that it’s an absurd reason for Mayo to try and build a case against Doggo, just because Barks has been more active. They shouldn’t be tied together in this dichotomy like that.

But I’m curious to know why you’ve got the two of them stationed where you do.

I'm still nervous about barks defending me, otherwise she'd be in the same category

Also the reads aren't at all related to each other for me. I have no problem distinguishing them as players lol

 

[LaineyLou]

Good afternoon y’all! Nothing much has changed since I did my write up super early. So my thoughts stand.

####yeet mayo#####

 

[LaineyLou]

Comment to Alissa about prior game.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Response to Shorty's request to get back on track without actually offering anything new to discussion.

Criticizing Alissa's gameplay.

Criticizing Alissa's gameplay.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Comment to Alissa, unhelpful.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Criticizing Alissa's gameplay.

Response to Cray, unhelpful/unrelated.

Two letter response to Alissa's vote.

Thanks for putting this together! I see a lot of this as usual for AM but also her statement about losing respect or whatever was just inappropriate. It struck me as just plain rude and maybe overly defensive. IMO great hostility can mean village because I feel like you’d try harder to maintain composure as a wolf to not get yeeted. But this seems different than some of AMs other playing. I’m definitely gonna keep an eye on her!

 

[Aprilthearab]

Thanks for putting this together! I see a lot of this as usual for AM but also her statement about losing respect or whatever was just inappropriate. It struck me as just plain rude and maybe overly defensive. IMO great hostility can mean village because I feel like you’d try harder to maintain composure as a wolf to not get yeeted. But this seems different than some of AMs other playing. I’m definitely gonna keep an eye on her!

Honestly I'm not too concerned about the exact content. It's definitely within AM's norm. What I don't like was the timing of an unnecessary discussion right before yeet close combined with her stubbornly not joining in on other discussions that just felt like she was distracting and not actually contributing new ideas while sounding present. And then today getting overly defensive when I pointed it out and saying I was lying before she even looked at what I was talking about.

 

[Doggo Labs]

@Aprilthearab do you have a reads list handy?

 

[LaineyLou]

Honestly I'm not too concerned about the exact content. It's definitely within AM's norm. What I don't like was the timing of an unnecessary discussion right before yeet close combined with her stubbornly not joining in on other discussions that just felt like she was distracting and not actually contributing new ideas while sounding present. And then today getting overly defensive when I pointed it out and saying I was lying before she even looked at what I was talking about.

Oh yeah I totally agree!

 

[Aprilthearab]

@Aprilthearab do you have a reads list handy?

Not really handy, in between appointments atm. I made a post some time last night that is still mostly accurate. Village lean on Cray, slight on Sun and WZ. Was village leaning Zenge but don't know what the heck last night was about, need to think. Feel weird about mayo the most, you and barks and AM somewhat. Lots in neutrals

 

[alissa14]

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@holdthemayo it doesn’t seem like you got my haunt last night so here you go.

Spoiler: Spooky

May the pigeons be ever in your favor

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[Animal Midwife]

When you have already discussed with the candidate multiple times and obviously come to a dead end with discussion, and when everyone else is needing your input on other candidates.

I mean, I don't see how someone engaging with me is dead end. I also don't remember being asked about specific people and ignoring those requests.

I don't have a good answer for that. Personally, as already explained, my wolf feel of her dropped off once everyone started jumping off of Sun and onto Alissa and she showed up just sounding like a completely defeated (and honestly not very useful) villager. Given the last game where all the "bad" villagers were yeeted for a wolf win, there really is no good answer to that except hoping that in the next game people are more involved and committed. Either you risk yeeting inactive villagers or you risk losing to inactive wolves. It sucks.

Okay, so why does it bother you when I'm trying to prevent that?

 

[Aprilthearab]

I mean, I don't see how someone engaging with me is dead end. I also don't remember being asked about specific people and ignoring those requests.

Okay, so why does it bother you when I'm trying to prevent that?

It doesn't. It bothers me purely given the timing and the fact that you yourself admitted you were trying for two days and weren't getting anywhere fast.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Honestly I'm not too concerned about the exact content. It's definitely within AM's norm. What I don't like was the timing of an unnecessary discussion right before yeet close combined with her stubbornly not joining in on other discussions that just felt like she was distracting and not actually contributing new ideas while sounding present. And then today getting overly defensive when I pointed it out and saying I was lying before she even looked at what I was talking about.

I knew what you were talking about already. That's why I asked you to back up what you were saying quotes.

 

[Animal Midwife]

It doesn't. It bothers me purely given the timing and the fact that you yourself admitted you were trying for two days and weren't getting anywhere fast.

I don't understand why you're only focusing on the last 15 minutes and not the efforts I've been doing in the moments leading into that, regardless, but also I can show your posts from the last 15 minutes of yesterday if we want to go down this path.