GGoats ThWWee: Here It GGoats Again - GAME THREAD

[Animal Midwife]

---

Members don't see this ad.

could you elaborate?

I'm unconvertable.

 

[Zenge142]

i think i missed that? could you show me where?

I was asking the question because I was hoping someone else could point it out if they knew. I thought maybe when you were talking about the glasses, she said that she had picked them too?

 

[GreedyBanger]

Can you rewrite this so it makes sense? I don’t think this is what you mean to say 🤔

Can you read pages 25 to 30 again wherein PSV votes Samac as self pres, but will not join the WZ wagon without your approval.

Said psv twice im dum

 

[GreedyBanger]

I was asking the question because I was hoping someone else could point it out if they knew. I thought maybe when you were talking about the glasses, she said that she had picked them too?

I had forgotten about this but now that zenge mentions it yeah its right after gennys claim near the start of day 2

 

[vampyrica]

vanilla could be a wolf without a specific power.

Oh. Vampy is back on the menu then. Vanilla can also mean just a mafia goon without an ability.

Althought id be confused about what that item even DOES in this context. Just a red herring?

well hate to break it to you, but i am infact vanilla villager. idk about mkg, but after i was elected mayor, i wasnt told my role updated, only that i received extra items each day. some are useful, some are useless. like one time i got a jelly bean and i can do whatever i want with it

 

[genny]

like one time i got a jelly bean and i can do whatever i want with it

did i ever tell you about the time i attempted to poison another player with a jellybean?

 

[Zenge142]

Can you read pages 25 to 30 again wherein PSV votes Samac as self pres, but will not join the WZ wagon without your approval.

Said psv twice im dum

I feel like you’re misremembering this. It was Samac who wouldn’t vote for Dubz without my saying to.

 

[vampyrica]

did i ever tell you about the time i attempted to poison another player with a jellybean?

no but do tell! i chose to flick mine at samac. it was a stale cherry flavored jelly bean.

 

[genny]

I had forgotten about this but now that zenge mentions it yeah its right after gennys claim near the start of day 2

she said it was an option, but i don't remember her saying that she picked it?

 

[GreedyBanger]

I feel like you’re misremembering this. It was Samac who wouldn’t vote for Dubz without my saying to.

Ok, I am then. Dum again.

Regardless of that specific interaction then, PSV was happy to kill Samac but did not move their vote again when the same wagon of players went to WZ

 

[Zenge142]

I'm unconvertable.

Not with that attitude!

 

[supershorty]

I know it COULD work though because if it succeeded, the target could hold a seance with their own ashes and ask the mods a question, but the only answers they would have received would have been goat facts.

AM, why would you sad this, this is hilarious

 

[genny]

no but do tell! i chose to flick mine at samac. it was a stale cherry flavored jelly bean.

waste of a good choking hazard tbh

 

[Zenge142]

Ok, I am then. Dum again.

Regardless of that specific interaction then, PSV was happy to kill Samac but did not move their vote again when the same wagon of players went to WZ

I’ll look at it from that angle then

 

[vampyrica]

waste of a good choking hazard tbh

see i didnt know you could do stuff like that, but man i'm glad i didnt *reads notes* attempt to poison someone with my stale cherry jellybean.

 

[Clem J]

have you picked any items?

Picked, yes

Remembered to use? I'm not taking questions at this point in time

 

[vampyrica]

Picked, yes

Remembered to use? I'm not taking questions at this point in time

oh clem. never change

 

[beans2020]

pray for me y'all, the 7 AM general pathology exam is quickly approaching 😭
I'll try to pop on once it's over with updated reads list and overall thoughts. then I have to go study for Wednesday's 7 AM bacteriology exam.
I do love vet school, I do love vet school, I do love vet school...

 

[Zenge142]

D1: An Officialish Tally or Something
Damn shorty usually makes these pretty or something doesn't she

Lissa (0) -
PSV (0) -
fruit (3) - dubz, mkg, genny
Greedy (1) - Lissa
mads (3) - samac, Zenge, beans
beans (1) - Sakuraaa
dubz (2) - vampy, fruit
Zenge () -
samac (3) - PSV, KJQ, Greedy
clem () -

13/15
Missing: @Clem J and @madrigal01
yeet close in ~15 minutes

A tie?!?!

 

[Zenge142]

D1: An Officialish Tally or Something
Damn shorty usually makes these pretty or something doesn't she

Lissa (0) -
PSV (0) -
fruit (4) - dubz, mkg, genny, samac
Greedy (1) - Lissa
mads (2) - Zenge, beans
beans (1) - Sakuraaa
dubz (3) - vampy, fruit, Greedy
Zenge () -
samac (2) - PSV, KJQ
clem () -

13/15
Missing: @Clem J and @madrigal01
yeet close in ~4 minutes

(This may be your last official tally before the typically SDN Scramble, fair warning)

Manual Tallying Tickles Animal Midwife's Autism - D1 FINAL Tally

Lissa (0) -
PSV (0) -
fruit (5) - dubz, mkg, genny, samac, mads
Greedy (1) - Lissa
mads (2) - Zenge, beans
beans (1) - Sakuraaa
dubz (4) - vampy, fruit, Greedy, KJQ
Zenge () -
samac (1) - PSV
clem () -

14/15
@fruitsalad, you are in the lead!
Missing: @Clem J

Check your votes.

 

[genny]

pray for me y'all, the 7 AM general pathology exam is quickly approaching 😭
I'll try to pop on once it's over with updated reads list and overall thoughts. then I have to go study for Wednesday's 7 AM bacteriology exam.
I do love vet school, I do love vet school, I do love vet school...

it's possible to absolutely loathe vet school and still love being a veterinarian

 

[Zenge142]

Pickled

🚨 Food Tell!!! 🚨

 

[genny]

is @WildZoo ok? she disappeared very suddenly

 

[Animal Midwife]

is @WildZoo ok? she disappeared very suddenly

Maybe she got called into work.

 

[Zenge142]

Ok, I am then. Dum again.

Regardless of that specific interaction then, PSV was happy to kill Samac but did not move their vote again when the same wagon of players went to WZ

It’s not an invalid point, but playing devil’s advocate, she also didn’t move to Fruit to try and save Dubz

 

[GreedyBanger]

It’s not an invalid point, but playing devil’s advocate, she also didn’t move to Fruit to try and save Dubz

Fair, could be that she viewed that as too pairing but could get away with inaction

 

[GreedyBanger]

I don't feel strongly enough about you being town to just agree to pick someone else. I don't even agree with your strong townreads.

I also feel like this post followed by voting Samac fits the narrative that she was not willing to follow me onto all of my POE at that point, even for self pres which was pretty clear at the time: PSV, Samac and WZ.

 

[Zenge142]

Baroness Twinklehorn III

Byyyyyyyyye Byyyyyyye Baroness Twinklehorn 😢

 

[WildZoo]

is @WildZoo ok? she disappeared very suddenly

Yes I am okay <3 I had to drive to work and get all settled. I'm still on overnight duty.

 

[WildZoo]

where do you think we should be looking?

My POE is still sitting at beans/vampy. I'll give a rundown of my thoughts on everyone else in a bit, this is truly POE where I don't have strong reasons to scumread either of them.

 

[WildZoo]

I don't care about anyone's interactions with PSV on D2. genny showed her hand already by that point.

D1 is better. Show me what's unaligning on D1.

I am not talking about interactions, I am talking about the claim itself.

D1 is better. Show me what's unaligning on D1.

D1:

Wait let me consolidate for ease of access

fruit
mads
Greedy
genny
PSV
Clem
samac
beans
Sakuura
Lissa
Zenge
KJQ
vampy
mkg

I will look for actual interactions but she just wasn't my focus D1 and I was restricted in where I could vote when I came back to the thread because of self preservation.

N1:

So let's just say current unordered POE is something like genny, PSV, Lissa, Greedy, and technically mads but I am still not really inclined to join the mads pile-on atm.

You really think I put my convert in my top 4?

Why not?

See my response to Zenge below

So you can kill people in the middle of the day? I don't understand what that means.

I am saying that your argument that my giving them a place to talk privately yesterday doesn't matter because samac is dead now doesn't make any sense.

I do think her claim that she wouldn’t have killed Samac is a falsehood though. She absolutely would. She loves killing people who village read her. And she knows Samac is a strong kill choice. Especially when she was a watcher last night.

Not in this gamestate, dude. I have been in the depths of the POE for days, despite your support. I wouldn't have killed one of the TWO PEOPLE willing to push back against it. I kill people who are village reading me when I can afford to lose support.

 

[WildZoo]

Did samac say somewhere on thread that she was a watcher last night? If she told you she had that item, you didn't pass it on to me, so how would I have known?

 

[WildZoo]

WZ was third to last on my reads list because i was deferring to zenge/samac about it a little so going into more detail on that read would help as well.

Like idk how statements like this, which is a pretty obvious sentiment from reading the thread, don't make it clear that killing samac would have been a really ****ing stupid thing for me to do

 

[WildZoo]

i don't think samac would go for a push on dubz

Someone wants to misyeet me real bad it seems

 

[vampyrica]

My POE is still sitting at beans/vampy. I'll give a rundown of my thoughts on everyone else in a bit, this is truly POE where I don't have strong reasons to scumread either of them.

thats gross

 

[Animal Midwife]

I am not talking about interactions, I am talking about the claim itself.

Yes, and the claim came after genny outted PSV.

You really think I put my convert in my top 4?

Sure. Especially since PSV never was voted for the following day even with the mech.

I am saying that your argument that my giving them a place to talk privately yesterday doesn't matter because samac is dead now doesn't make any sense.

Then we're saying the same thing. I'm giving it no weight because they can't "destroy the wolves together" if one of them is dead.

 

[genny]

My POE is still sitting at beans/vampy. I'll give a rundown of my thoughts on everyone else in a bit, this is truly POE where I don't have strong reasons to scumread either of them.

Why not AM? When you get a chance.

 

[WildZoo]

Yes, and the claim came after genny outted PSV.

Oy. I would have had her claim Sleepwalker and push Lissa as the actual killer, not claim she got skinsuited into a kill. That is my point.

Sure. Especially since PSV never was voted for the following day even with the mech.

I was asleep and then she was shot. I have no problem voting for outted packmates, I was trying to work through the claims.

Then we're saying the same thing. I'm giving it no weight because they can't "destroy the wolves together" if one of them is dead.

Why would I have given them the chance to talk at all??? I didn't have to. No one knew what item I had.

 

[WildZoo]

Why not AM? When you get a chance.

I don't think Sakuraaaaaaa brings up the conversion thing if she was wolfing. It just doesn't make sense for a wolf to do.

Independently, I also don't really think AM comes in here guns blazing for me when Zenge had me village and her slot wasn't in my POE. She knows she's really good at pocketing me so there'd be no reason for it.

 

[WildZoo]

Ok, I am then. Dum again.

Regardless of that specific interaction then, PSV was happy to kill Samac but did not move their vote again when the same wagon of players went to WZ

Why would she have needed to move again?

 

[WildZoo]

Like wolves don't tend to hop onto a bunch of different village wagons, thereby clearing those villagers when they eventually flip, if they don't have to. It's one of the reasons I took you out of my POE, Greedy.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Oy. I would have had her claim Sleepwalker and push Lissa as the actual killer, not claim she got skinsuited into a kill. That is my point.

PSV has never seen a sleepwalker so that would have brought into scrutiny where she came up with that claim from.

I was asleep and then she was shot. I have no problem voting for outted packmates, I was trying to work through the claims.

Was she 100% outted though? Some people still were talking about Lissa. Even the above message seems to imply she had an out onto Lissa and it wasn't all lost just yet.

Why would I have given them the chance to talk at all??? I didn't have to. No one knew what item I had.

You don't see any possible scum benefit of a Zenge who

- is strongly pushing a w!mads world.
- has expressed he will not vote for you.
- felt good about PSV.

And a samac who
- will not vote for you unless Zenge gives the word.
- was unsure about PSV.

being left to their devices?

 

[GreedyBanger]

Like tonally I think WZ is holding up well to this and has reasonable arguments, but Vulpix is using flamethrower and its certainly at least not being resisted.

Also like whenever I want to give WZ the benefit of the doubt I look to the left and see the unyeetable phasing wolf title. and like I don't need the meta to know she's probably good at scum

 

[WildZoo]

PSV has never seen a sleepwalker so that would have brought into scrutiny where she came up with that claim from.

I am not saying I would have had her say the word sleepwalker, jfc. It's just the action I would have suggested she claim. You don't have to know what something is called to say "idk this item made me pass out, when I woke up I had visited KJQ" or some such.

Like I think it's pretty clear that I interpreted her claim as sleepwalker before genny pointed out that she'd said there was actually another person present when she woke up.

Was she 100% outted though? Some people still were talking about Lissa. Even the above message seems to imply she had an out onto Lissa and it wasn't all lost just yet.

No one was voting for Lissa except me, and then I unvoted, and then I fell asleep, and when I woke up PSV had been shot. My whole bloc was on PSV. I have not had the thread clout this game to turn that around. So yes, based on the gamestate, I would have been voting for her with samac and Zenge, not wasting my time trying to think for myself.

You don't see any possible scum benefit of a Zenge who

- is strongly pushing a w!mads world.
- has expressed he will not vote for you.
- felt good about PSV.

And a samac who
- will not vote for you unless Zenge gives the word.
- was unsure about PSV.

being left to their devices?

Where did Zenge say he felt good about PSV?

You're literally making an argument here for why I would have left samac alive...you can't have it both ways.

 

[Zenge142]

felt good about PSV.

I'm going to guess the pack is PSV, genny, and Mads

Somehow I don’t think PSV was really feeling the fanfare from me

 

[WildZoo]

Like tonally I think WZ is holding up well to this and has reasonable arguments, but Vulpix is using flamethrower and its certainly at least not being resisted.

Also like whenever I want to give WZ the benefit of the doubt I look to the left and see the unyeetable phasing wolf title. and like I don't need the meta to know she's probably good at scum

I had an Unyeetable Wolf title until I did indeed get yeeted. Multiple times. The Phasing Wolf bit is specifically a reference to a game where I was wolf one day and village the next and phased back and forth. I did make it to the end of that one and won...as village.

Anyway, I used to be really good at wolfing. I had a really bad run of wolf games up until the last game I played prior to this one (about a year ago). Which...I still died and still lost in, it just wasn't quite as bad? So do with that what you will.

Actually I guess that argument doesn't help me because if this were a wolf!Dubz game it would be a pretty bad one, so par for the course

 

[Animal Midwife]

I am not saying I would have had her say the word sleepwalker, jfc. It's just the action I would have suggested she claim. You don't have to know what something is called to say "idk this item made me pass out, when I woke up I had visited KJQ" or some such.

I think she did say something like that which is what made genny even more uncomfortable.

Like I think it's pretty clear that I interpreted her claim as sleepwalker before genny pointed out that she'd said there was actually another person present when she woke up.

Yeah which, like what you just said, shows claiming something she hasn't any experience with due to the incorrect definition.

No one was voting for Lissa except me, and then I unvoted, and then I fell asleep, and when I woke up PSV had been shot. My whole bloc was on PSV. I have not had the thread clout this game to turn that around. So yes, based on the gamestate, I would have been voting for her with samac and Zenge, not wasting my time trying to think for myself.

Other people were talking about Lissa though. And PSV only had 5 votes at the time of her death.

Where did Zenge say he felt good about PSV?

Here.

Yeah I agree with this. I’m liking PSV so far.

You're literally making an argument here for why I would have left samac alive...you can't have it both ways.

samac ended up severely unpaired with PSV. And apparently had a watcher item.

 

[GreedyBanger]

Another thought that just hit me. If my limpool is WZ, Clem, Vampy I still think Vampy/Clem are unpaired cause vampy tried to wagon clem at a high leverage moment at the end of day 1

 

[Animal Midwife]

Another thought that just hit me. If my limpool is WZ, Clem, Vampy I still think Vampy/Clem are unpaired cause vampy tried to wagon clem at a high leverage moment at the end of day 1

That's a good take and I can see this.

 

[WildZoo]

I think she did say something like that which is what made genny even more uncomfortable.

If you're going to keep this up you need to actually bring evidence. This is the third time you've said something that isn't supported by the thread. This is what she claimed.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
You get possessed by the zest for 90s country, go out "shimmying" for the night, and wake up the next morning not feeling entirely like yourself. Plus hearing the door creak as though someone left.

If I was encouraging her to claim Sleepwalker, the "hearing the door creak as though someone left" would not have been a part of it. She also would have said she visited KJQ specifically.

I also wouldn't have been the ONLY PERSON to explore the potential legitimacy of the claim, without any other support.

Again. I don't have the thread positioning for it in this game.

Yeah which, like what you just said, shows claiming something she hasn't any experience with due to the incorrect definition.

And you think I would have just sat by and let her make a faulty claim, and then contradicted it myself? Either I was trying to help her live or I was burying her, once again, you can't have it both ways.

Other people were talking about Lissa though. And PSV only had 5 votes at the time of her death.

Which is a heck of a lot when the other person up for consideration has zero and no one is vocally doubting her claim.

Here.

I'll leave that to Zenge to talk about. Pretty sure that was much earlier in the day. And wasn't a sentiment he repeated later.

samac ended up severely unpaired with PSV. And apparently had a watcher item.

And I wasn't going to try to get her voted out, ever, but certainly would have kept her around to keep myself alive.
The watcher item doesn't matter because I had no way to know she had it???