How to Survive the WWinter - Speed Game

[PippyPony]

I was going to go out to one of our cars to actually take pictures of the type of stuff I keep in there "for emergencies," but rule #1 of winter for me is don't go outside when it's cold and dark.

To give you a sense, though... I know for sure there is an extra bubble tea straw, 6 lip glosses, a pair of clean socks, and an unopened nips-size bottle of Grand Marnier in my purse, because I "cleaned it out" the other day but decided "eh...I might need those."

Just in case.

 

[BigCats]

I tried soooo hard lol

I knew it was you when you kept saying how villagery you thought I was and asked me who to vote for

 

[BigCats]

When people say they think I’m village I automatically suspect them

 

[Stroganoff]

Thanks @PippyPony! I think I want more WW now.

 

[PippyPony]

Yes, the only thing I love as much as finding wolves as a villager is people spewing themselves as village to me!

and vig shots that get shot!

pew pew

 

[Stroganoff]

I was going to go out to one of our cars to actually take pictures of the type of stuff I keep in there "for emergencies," but rule #1 of winter for me is don't go outside when it's cold and dark.

To give you a sense, though... I know for sure there is an extra bubble tea straw, 6 lip glosses, a pair of clean socks, and an unopened nips-size bottle of Grand Marnier in my purse, because I "cleaned it out" the other day but decided "eh...I might need those."

Just in case.

I gotchu boo.

Vehicle Emergency Kit -- Ideas and Brainstorming

I obsess over this ****. Hence why this speed game was catnip.

 

[muttmanager]

I tried soooo hard lol

I'm proud of you but also very disappointed you killed me

 

[Stroganoff]

Kinda wish I had changed my vote on D2 to alissa now. It would've triggered her lynch avoidance (contradicting her "self-prez" defense) AND I'd be alive one more day. I might have been killed immediately that night, but we would've killed alissa on D3 then only had meats to sniff out.

 

[muttmanager]

Thanks @PippyPony

 

[vetmedhead]

Fun game, pips

 

[alissa14]

You did a good job!!! YOU WERE THE SALSA ALL ALONG!

Yes I was the stealer of salsa packets

 

[alissa14]

Are you a WW noob btw? Because wow, you had me in the first half, ngl

Yeah kinda this is my 4th game. First time as a wolf

 

[alissa14]

I'm proud of you but also very disappointed you killed me

I had a hard time choosing between you and jboo tbh

 

[alissa14]

I kept thinking... if only I could convince one of three players (miz, mutts, and jboo) I’m not a wolf, I’m set... I win.. I was not successful

 

[SARdoghandler]

..LOL, @SARdoghandler 's real survival implements survived

The irony of this is so strong and I love it immensely. Meant to be.

I was going to go out to one of our cars to actually take pictures of the type of stuff I keep in there "for emergencies," but rule #1 of winter for me is don't go outside when it's cold and dark.

To give you a sense, though... I know for sure there is an extra bubble tea straw, 6 lip glosses, a pair of clean socks, and an unopened nips-size bottle of Grand Marnier in my purse, because I "cleaned it out" the other day but decided "eh...I might need those."

Just in case.

You probably don't want to know what I keep in my trunk for a survival kit hahah

 

[Stroganoff]

That feel when you re-read the thread after the game.

 

[Stroganoff]

Besides Vote Count Analysis, we need Reaction Count Analysis because there's a LOTTTTTTTT of posts this game with @vetmedhead and @alissa14 reacting as a group. They were cautious to split up their votes but not their reactions. Lots of examples with only them reacting to multiple posts. And lots of reactions where they "agreed" with our suspicions on other villagers.

 

[Stroganoff]

Hindsight analysis on both woofs:

1.

vmh will freeze to death anyways so who cares. Jk jk. 50/50 on her.

2.

Sorry I think I missed it

Why did you miss it? Too busy juggling PMs to read the game thread?

I made "tee hee you're a wolf!" jokes to both woofs and then for the rest of the game I tunneled other villagers.

 

[Stroganoff]

Just spent about 1 hour re-reading the entire thread, something I wouldn't do in a longer game that's like 5000 posts instead of 500. *hangs head in shame* but I can't be the only person to do this...right? Right?

@Ms Procrastinator and @mizchiefmanaged were spot on in many, many posts. I should've paid more attention to them. Same with @BigCats



I'm still calibrating what's important and what's not important:

• I'm gonna pay more attention to BS reasoning in the future and BS analysis.
• I'm gonna be more suspicious of people who shy away after 1 post when questioned, hoping it'll go away.
• I think Vote Count Analysis is important but I shouldn't place TOO MUCH emphasis on it alone. Sometimes wolves vote together on purpose. Sometimes they like to distance themselves to not attract too much attention.
• I'll pay more attention to reactions, but there's WAY more data points with reactions than with lynch votes, so this is like 10x more tedious. Like I wouldn't do a Reaction Count Analysis (with timestamps) because that would take HOURS. But I'll pay more attention to what feels like fake reactions e.g. fake likes, fake laughter, fake etc.
• I'll pay more attention to "couplets" e.g. two people against each other. Sometimes it's a wolf-villager combo or villager-wolf combo. Sometimes it's wolf-wolf simultaneously busing each other. [Edit: Though sometimes it's two villagers suspecting each other, which I'm not sure how to read at this point.]
• Just like in real life, the best lies have a hint of truth to them. E.g. in this game Alissa role revealed that she had a lynch avoidance (which was true) but that alone is NAI and could be either wolf or village.
• I'll be more selfish and pay WAY more bloody attention to ties. I literally had 100% power to save myself from getting tied with Alissa (3 her and 3 me) and I could've changed my vote at the last minute towards her in pure self-preservation, but I was too stubborn with my jboo tunnel. I'm very, very stubborn with tunnels, and I've noticed that about myself over several WW games.
• Tinfoil has its place, but it should be secondary or tertiary or lower in priorities. I should go off of other things first like fake reads that are just filler; e.g. "I'm gettings vibes about _____" -- Ok, explain your vibes you wolfy wolf.
• I used to go full OCD with a WW spreadsheet but it got way too tedious. I think it might be helpful to at least print out a list of the players at the beginning of the game and use pen and paper and just "journal" my thoughts and feels. Totally free-form.
• I don't know how I feel about silent players. Like johnnaboo was silent and did grocery shopping, and MsP was silent but was busy with IRL stuff. Both flipped village but I suspected them too much. I'm sure wolves use IRL excuses but it's not necessarily BS if someone says they're busy.
• This bears repeating: Reaction Analysis. There were quite a few posts with fake bull**** reactions and there were also posts where it was literally only alissa and VMH reacting or it was 2 out of 3. This might be more people's "meta," so as I get to know the players' play styles, I'll be able to analyze them better based on their post reactions.
• Lastly: Anytime I use humor and joke that someone could be a wolf, I've always dismissed it and psyched myself out for the rest of the game. This is different than going off my gut feelings: specifically, if I make JOKES that someone is a wolf, I need to do a double-take and look more closely at it. Because this game I was 2 for 2, 100%, no false positives or negatives.

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

Just spent about 1 hour re-reading the entire thread, something I wouldn't do in a longer game that's like 5000 posts instead of 500. *hangs head in shame* but I can't be the only person to do this...right? Right?

@Ms Procrastinator and @mizchiefmanaged were spot on in many, many posts. I should've paid more attention to them. Same with @BigCats



I'm still calibrating what's important and what's not important:

• I'm gonna pay more attention to BS reasoning in the future and BS analysis.
• I'm gonna be more suspicious of people who shy away after 1 post when questioned, hoping it'll go away.
• I think Vote Count Analysis is important but I shouldn't place TOO MUCH emphasis on it alone. Sometimes wolves vote together on purpose. Sometimes they like to distance themselves to not attract too much attention.
• I'll pay more attention to reactions, but there's WAY more data points with reactions than with lynch votes, so this is like 10x more tedious. Like I wouldn't do a Reaction Count Analysis (with timestamps) because that would take HOURS. But I'll pay more attention to what feels like fake reactions e.g. fake likes, fake laughter, fake etc.
• I'll pay more attention to "couplets" e.g. two people against each other. Sometimes it's a wolf-villager combo or villager-wolf combo. Sometimes it's wolf-wolf simultaneously busing each other. [Edit: Though sometimes it's two villagers suspecting each other, which I'm not sure how to read at this point.]
• Just like in real life, the best lies have a hint of truth to them. E.g. in this game Alissa role revealed that she had a lynch avoidance (which was true) but that alone is NAI and could be either wolf or village.
• I'll be more selfish and pay WAY more bloody attention to ties. I literally had 100% power to save myself from getting tied with Alissa (3 her and 3 me) and I could've changed my vote at the last minute towards her in pure self-preservation, but I was too stubborn with my jboo tunnel. I'm very, very stubborn with tunnels, and I've noticed that about myself over several WW games.
• Tinfoil has its place, but it should be secondary or tertiary or lower in priorities. I should go off of other things first like fake reads that are just filler; e.g. "I'm gettings vibes about _____" -- Ok, explain your vibes you wolfy wolf.
• I used to go full OCD with a WW spreadsheet but it got way too tedious. I think it might be helpful to at least print out a list of the players at the beginning of the game and use pen and paper and just "journal" my thoughts and feels. Totally free-form.
• I don't know how I feel about silent players. Like johnnaboo was silent and did grocery shopping, and MsP was silent but was busy with IRL stuff. Both flipped village but I suspected them too much. I'm sure wolves use IRL excuses but it's not necessarily BS if someone says they're busy.
• This bears repeating: Reaction Analysis. There were quite a few posts with fake bull**** reactions and there were also posts where it was literally only alissa and VMH reacting or it was 2 out of 3. This might be more people's "meta," so as I get to know the players' play styles, I'll be able to analyze them better based on their post reactions.
• Lastly: Anytime I use humor and joke that someone could be a wolf, I've always dismissed it and psyched myself out for the rest of the game. This is different than going off my gut feelings: specifically, if I make JOKES that someone is a wolf, I need to do a double-take and look more closely at it. Because this game I was 2 for 2, 100%.

I’m glad I made up for it a bit this game because my reads the last few games have been total trash

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

Thank you all for being patient with me when my schedule went from only one scheduled thing to explosive!!!

 

[Stroganoff]

Thank you all for being patient with me when my schedule went from only one scheduled thing to explosive!!!

Honestly I thought the horse anesthesia/MRI was an excuse too, but my tinfoil hat is way too bloody tight and need to stop using tinfoil as primary or secondary in my ddx. Ugh.

 

[jaboo]

Besides Vote Count Analysis, we need Reaction Count Analysis because there's a LOTTTTTTTT of posts this game with @vetmedhead and @alissa14 reacting as a group. They were cautious to split up their votes but not their reactions. Lots of examples with only them reacting to multiple posts. And lots of reactions where they "agreed" with our suspicions on other villagers.

I think this is a good idea, but in reality, would be a real bi*ch to put together

 

[Animal Midwife]

Regarding VCA, it's about how you use it. There should be no hard and fast rules of acceptable moves, otherwise you're letting your bias close off potentially important options. Things like wolves voting together are contextual. If a bunch of wolves are trying to save an buddy (whether for endgame or PR reasons) they may vote in a chunk. Alternatively, they may vote together on a bus for cred if it looks like a lost cause (being mechanically outted or otherwise just flailing against accusations near lynch close).

It's much of the same for voting apart. Used to show more independent analysis and to avoid scaring villagers off a mislynch with the packthink pushing.

Like the thing I mentioned in dead chat about how the vig shot was clearing despite killing a villager, always read deeply into the context. This reveals more about affiliation than a black-and-white scan of the situation.

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

Honestly I thought the horse anesthesia/MRI was an excuse too, but my tinfoil hat is way too bloody tight and need to stop using tinfoil as primary or secondary in my ddx. Ugh.

Intern life is hard lol

 

[Stroganoff]

Intern life is hard lol

Making others sympathize/empathize and feel your pain is pocketing. Woofy af.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Intern life is hard lol

You're an intern? I have no idea how the vet side of things work, but do you guys go through a sort of residency too?

 

[alissa14]

I'm proud of you but also very disappointed you killed me

If it makes you feel better... this is what I said in wolf chat
unkill jboo Alissa kills mutts (her beloved manator)

 

[alissa14]

I actually had fun being a wolf for the first time! It’s nice to have someone there to bounce ideas and thoughts off of. Usually it’s just villager me talking myself in a circle, tinfoil hat in tow. Thanks Pippy for a fun game!

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

You're an intern? I have no idea how the vet side of things work, but do you guys go through a sort of residency too?

We don’t necessarily have to do an internship or residency if we don’t want to. A lot of equine specific people choose to do an internship after graduation.

 

[Stroganoff]

If it makes you feel better... this is what I said in wolf chat
unkill jboo Alissa kills mutts (her beloved manator)

You had yourself on the kill list?

Edit: Ohhh. Maybe "Unkill jboo. (period, new sentence) Alissa kills mutts...."

 

[alissa14]

You had yourself on the kill list?

No I undid my kill of jboo then I did the action Alissa kills mutts

 

[Stroganoff]

No I undid my kill of jboo then I did the action Alissa kills mutts

Gotcha. The 3rd person talk threw me off. Then again, I've nEvEr BeEn In WoLf ChAt so don't know what it's like.

 

[PippyPony]

I think this is a good idea, but in reality, would be a real bi*ch to put together

... sometimes I'm glad people don't see the stuff I DON'T put on the thread

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Gotcha. The 3rd person talk threw me off. Then again, I've nEvEr BeEn In WoLf ChAt so don't know what it's like.

So you've never randed wolf?

 

[vetmedhead]

Besides Vote Count Analysis, we need Reaction Count Analysis because there's a LOTTTTTTTT of posts this game with @vetmedhead and @alissa14 reacting as a group. They were cautious to split up their votes but not their reactions. Lots of examples with only them reacting to multiple posts. And lots of reactions where they "agreed" with our suspicions on other villagers.

I did notice Alissa liking a lot of the same posts as me, but didn't tell her anything about it because I thought it would be weirder if we never liked the same posts

FWIW I like and react to tons of things wolf or otherwise. I can remember plenty of games where people would yell at me for seeming lurky for liking like fifty posts on thread while I caught up before I replied to anything lol

When I first started wolfing I hardly liked anything for a while because I was afraid of being called out for it again, but after a while I decided eff it because liking things is fun I wasn't lying to you in dead chat when I said those were legitimate likes/reacts and not pocketing attempts!

I guess my point being that you're not wrong that there's stuff to be learned from looking at reactions but you may need to interpret it carefully as it can spiral into WIFOM pretty fast

 

[vetmedhead]

Gotcha. The 3rd person talk threw me off. Then again, I've nEvEr BeEn In WoLf ChAt so don't know what it's like.

Look forward to seeing strog in a wolfchat near you any game now, folks!

 

[Lawpy]

Gotcha. The 3rd person talk threw me off. Then again, I've nEvEr BeEn In WoLf ChAt so don't know what it's like.

So you've never randed wolf?

@Dr. ForgotToFlush quietly ponders

In before the hmms

 

[Stroganoff]

When I first started wolfing I hardly liked anything for a while because I was afraid of being called out for it again, but after a while I decided eff it because liking things is fun I wasn't lying to you in dead chat when I said those were legitimate likes/reacts and not pocketing attempts!

I believe you. I think Alissa's reactions were way more sketch, especially overdoing the reactions -- seemed too forced to me.

So you've never randed wolf?

I don't think so. I was converted once in a Lounge game in '05 or '06 (ok boomer) I think with rojo and another wolf, and we cleaned house and it was hella fun. I don't think I've ever started wolf, ever. Definitely not in my n=3 or n=4 pre-vet games.

 

[BigCats]

I was punished for my Floridian hubris by waking up to 28° today

 

[WonderingStudent]

I was punished for my Floridian hubris by waking up to 28° today

I can’t imagine it being so cold in Florida. It’s 24 degrees here in New York.

 

[BigCats]

I can’t imagine it being so cold in Florida. It’s 24 degrees here in New York.

It was awful!! I don’t know how y’all survive that on a daily basis!!

 

[PippyPony]

It was awful!! I don’t know how y’all survive that on a daily basis!!

We have jackets

 

[BigCats]

We have jackets

I even wore my puffy jacket and it didn’t save me from suffering

 

[SARdoghandler]

Meanwhile, I'll just be up here in Canada where we had a full week of about -40.

In good news, it's back to near freezing now so that's nice and I'm practically out in shorts and a t shirt

 

[Stroganoff]

I even wore my puffy jacket and it didn’t save me from suffering

 

[Coopah]

When people say they think I’m village I automatically suspect them

Hey! That's my trick!

 

[Lawpy]

Meanwhile, I'll just be up here in Canada where we had a full week of about -40.

In good news, it's back to near freezing now so that's nice and I'm practically out in shorts and a t shirt

I envy the warm Sardines in chilly weather

 

[Dr. ForgotToFlush]

Meanwhile, I'll just be up here in Canada where we had a full week of about -40.

In good news, it's back to near freezing now so that's nice and I'm practically out in shorts and a t shirt

jesus
guess im lucky that it was only -15 in Ontario then