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[Dinashadow]

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D2 Everyone's Frozen but Still Have to Work Tally

capri (4) - grebes, killerleaf, Snowy, mutts
snowy (6) - dolphin, genny, capri, zigjaz, koffee, WZ
zigjaz (3) - skim, SOV, mpm
dubz () -
mpm (1) - Dina
mutts (2) - Barks, MSU
grebes () -
koffee (1) - Sporty
SOV (2) - Mel, AM

Something about the capri and snowy lynch really bothers me. It feels like snowy is a counter wagon to keep a possible Carpi wolf alive. I've seen some people mention a possibility of Capri being framed (or was that just dubz?) but it still makes the pile up on snowy look strange.

Zigs, koffee, and WZ were the last ones who ended on the vote.

Zigs has been leaning village to me the whole game but she could be playing a good game of wolf. She does seem extra salty than she has in previous games.

koffee - she gives off a lot of sketchy feels. I'm going to have to go back and ISO her and analyze her posts

WZ - claims to have switched to break the tie. Probably the least sus. of these three but still gives me pause

I'm going to start with

Lynch Capri

Also @killerleaf would love to hear more from you today, specifically wolfy reads. I know you tend to be on the quieter side when you play but it would be nice if you at least had some wolf leans in addition to your village leans.

More from Skim, MSU and MJ as well would be helpful (considering MJ said he was going to be more active but I'm assuming that just means he's going to actually cast a lynch vote today)

 

[muttmanager]

I'm following SOV's reasoning here which has him leaning more village to me; though I don't like the role reveal
SAR - we may just agree to disagree but with her explanation, she's not my top wolf any at the moment

I'm still very interested in a capri lynch - @capri1722 Any quality thoughts since genny and Snowy flipped village?

I'd be happy with a mutts or dubs lynch today I think

Any more to contribute on this feeling? Question for me?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial Day 3 Cat Skijoring is the New Dogsledding Lynch Tally

SOV (3) - AM, Mel, SAR
Dubz (1) - Zigzag
Sporty (2) - grebes, Dubz
killer (1) - SOV
capri (1) - Dina

8/18 voting

Lynch closes at 10pm Eastern (approximately 9 hours)

 

[MSUcvmHOPE]

Currently feeling villager/ok with AM, SAR, Dolphin, Mel, and maybe Dina.
Though I have slight reserves on AM (just feel like a poss undercover situation)

Wolfy/off vibes from Mutts (I have to review why I put them in this pile, may be subject to change)
Zig - too reactive right off the bat, very active and not in a good way.
Coffee - some of their back and forths with other players gave me weird vibes.

In Limbo are Grebes - I'm not understanding her picks slash she hasn't put much input on anyone other than those she is sus of.
WZ - My gut says it's cool trust them, but my brain says I've never played with them and they seem to have a strategy, be afraid!
Sporty - I don't like the few posts/little to no input/who they chose to lynch
Barks - they are feeling a lot better to me recently but here cause I'm not comfortable putting them in my village pile yet.
SOV - thinking safe feels, but have to investigate.

Really not sure how to feel are @capri1722 , @Mad Jack , @killerleaf , and @Skimble
Very few posts, not enough to make decisions off of just yet.

 

[dolphin106258]

@dolphin106258 How has SOV felt in pms?

We haven’t said much at all. I think I’ve only ever played one other game with him. But I think he died early?? I can’t remember, either way overall I’d like to lean him village but I really can’t glean a decision just from PM feels currently.

 

[Melchizedek]

As for the votes for me, you guys are misreading both votes.

I didn’t jump on a bandwagon the first vote, there was what, one random vote at the time. I responded to a comment that was extremely defensive. I will do it again if there isn’t anything better,

Second day, I didn’t say I was too lazy to read thread...so how am I inconsistent. I saw a wolfy comment that I have used as a wolf and voted on it.

Anyway, I play the same way as a villager at the beginning of all games...and you can go back and check my record...I am barely involved, as I find the first 1/2 of the game mostly a circle jerk, and meaningless...I look for some small points and latch on them.

If I have an important role, or I am a wolf, I am much more involved.

I have never been good at finding wolves at the beginning of games, I am great at strategy, I am pretty good at unraveling mechanics and logic, and I do well at endgame. Lynch me now you will lose a villager with a lame role, and a good player later on.

My role allows me to communicate with one other player in pm. That person is dolphin. We haven’t said anything too worthwhile. The role description also tells us that it is no guarantee about our other person’s affiliation, but it sounds more like wolves were randomly assigned than a hint that she is village or wolfy.

Anyway, if you lynch me it gives you no information on dolphin unfortunately.

I will hold off on my lynch vote for now. The influence of @DocEspana makes me want to think poorly of anyone who wants to lynch me, as that is evidence of wolfiness, but I don’t usually have his level of puffed up self worth, although in this case the calls on my sketchiness felt weird to me.

There is so much to unpack in this post:
Early role reveal
Outing another PR on thread
Did I not just get done telling a noob to break out of the "people lynching me must be wolves" mentality? I thought you'd know better as a vet.
I didn't say you were lazy about reading the thread, I said that of all the things that people were finding ZJ wolfy for, your comment about "oh thats what I [SOV] would do as a wolf" looked like you were trying to sheep onto the vote without outright looking like you were sheeping.
AM has beaten me to most of the follow-up questions I want to ask you at this point.
Unfortunately your role reveal doesn't help or refute my thought process on you.

Well, if you're both villagers, it can actually be pretty dangerous in a game with conversion. Assuming they don't want to nightkill one of you to cut off the communication.

I had forgotten about conversion. Why put this in my brain 😢

It's ok. Assuming this follows a similar protocol from Pippy's other games, we should have to worry about it for a bit.

What is a typical pippy conversion protocol (I don't remember and don't feel like going back to previous games to investigate) Does she overwrite the villager's role and give them a new one, or does she just straight convert them? If its the former I think it'd become super obvious if one player just dropped out of a PM.

@Melchizedek what's your read on grebes at the moment?

Not sure I really like your zig/SOV hyperfocus so far...though the skim comment appeases me slightly

I'll admit I've been focused on Zig, but I've literally been on SOV's case for 1 cycle, cut me some slack and let me run down a lead or two. Although if either of them flip wolf, I'm coming back to this post as you potentially trying to get me to drop a valid line of inquiry.

Grebes - Low # of posts but she gave a reads list to at least let us know where her thoughts are. They weren't super insightful, but she did at least take a stance on a few players and pushed back on snowy questioning her reads. neutral to slight village in my list looking through the lens of how verifiably busy she's been lately.

Not sure if this poor logic is due to ignorance or trying to misguide.
No self respecting wolf has anything to do with starting anything at the beginning of the game, they just try to skirt by. Villagers are gonna lynch themselves, all you do as a wolf is let them do the heavy lifting. If anything, throw out a lynch vote on fellow wolf for CRED, even better start a lynch vote for a good reason on a fellow wolf, and best get them lynched.

Why you would think any wolf is involved in any of these wrong lynches is nonsensical IMO.

Later in game is when vote analysis might be helpful IF wolves are desperate.

....You're literally restating my argument for why you're a wolf

 

[WildZoo]

Something about the capri and snowy lynch really bothers me. It feels like snowy is a counter wagon to keep a possible Carpi wolf alive. I've seen some people mention a possibility of Capri being framed (or was that just dubz?) but it still makes the pile up on snowy look strange.

Zigs, koffee, and WZ were the last ones who ended on the vote.

Zigs has been leaning village to me the whole game but she could be playing a good game of wolf. She does seem extra salty than she has in previous games.

koffee - she gives off a lot of sketchy feels. I'm going to have to go back and ISO her and analyze her posts

WZ - claims to have switched to break the tie. Probably the least sus. of these three but still gives me pause

I'm going to start with

Lynch Capri

Also @killerleaf would love to hear more from you today, specifically wolfy reads. I know you tend to be on the quieter side when you play but it would be nice if you at least had some wolf leans in addition to your village leans.

More from Skim, MSU and MJ as well would be helpful (considering MJ said he was going to be more active but I'm assuming that just means he's going to actually cast a lynch vote today)

If you'll notice, I switched to make the tie in the first place. I wanted to see if there was any reaction to it, but there wasn't so I switched back because while I would have been fine with capri and snowy being tied, I didn't particularly want to die myself.

My current feeling on it is that wolves had either already voted for Capri or snowy (basically already decided whether to bus or save Capri) or Capri is village too and they felt no need to be involved. Since we only have 3 originals it is possible they were already on those lynches, but my gut says the way the zig/Capri and the snowy/Capri wagons progressed feels like other v/v days we've had in recent games.

Actually one of the reasons I'm not voting coffee today is that her add on to the snowy wagon feels way too sketchy to be wolf. It's one I will likely come back to though.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Not sure why all the angst about a minor role reveal. That was never a big issue back 8m the day. It is a minor role, and there are vanilla villagers so it doesn’t make anyone more of a target. It is mostly irrelevant. The only reason I even mention it is that I have little role to play,

Of course, if I really had a big role, do you think I would reveal it? Or maybe I would just do a false reveal to get the wolves off my track...now if you guys know anything about me, it is that I like to be creative my info release.

 

[Stroganoff]

Day 2.​

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The skiers are confused. Both Tenney and Stratton had been much harder than expected. They decided to go back to New Hampshire, as they wanted to visit Green Woodlands. They heard this place offered a wonderful backcountry wilderness cross country ski experience that the whole family could enjoy. Green Woodlands also offered over 50 km of groomed skate and classic ski trails.

Sadly, one skier wasn't too impressed with the experience and decided to go somewhere else.

You have lynched @SnowshoeDog143, Green Woodlands - Vanillager.

Coordinates 43°75′70″N 71°94′55″
Skiable area 50 km of skate and classic ski trails
50% Novice
30% Intermediate
20% Advanced
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*Skiers*
1. @Animal Midwife
2. @WildZoo
4. @Dinashadow
6. @mypetmoose
7. @Skimble
8. @grebes4lyfe
9. @muttmanager
10. @genny
11. @SARdoghandler
12. @StartingoverVet
13. @ziggyandjazzy
14. @CoffeeQuestionMark
15. @Melchizedek
16. @dolphin106258
17. @Barkley13
18. @capri1722
19. @Mad Jack
20. @SportPonies
21. @MSUcvmHOPE
23. @killerleaf

*Après-Ski*
3. @cubsrule4e - Tenney, Vanillager
5. @bryndiana.jones - Stratton - Vanillager
22. @SnowshoeDog143 - Green Woodlands - Vanillager

20/23 remaining.
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CURRENT SNOW REPORT FOR GREEN WOODLANDS FOUNDATION
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 30th 2019
Snow: Machine groomed
Trails open: 3/3
Warming Huts Open: 4/4
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[StartingoverVet]

There is so much to unpack in this post:
Early role reveal
Outing another PR on thread
Did I not just get done telling a noob to break out of the "people lynching me must be wolves" mentality? I thought you'd know better as a vet.
I didn't say you were lazy about reading the thread, I said that of all the things that people were finding ZJ wolfy for, your comment about "oh thats what I [SOV] would do as a wolf" looked like you were trying to sheep onto the vote without outright looking like you were sheeping.
AM has beaten me to most of the follow-up questions I want to ask you at this point.
Unfortunately your role reveal doesn't help or refute my thought process on you.








What is a typical pippy conversion protocol (I don't remember and don't feel like going back to previous games to investigate) Does she overwrite the villager's role and give them a new one, or does she just straight convert them? If its the former I think it'd become super obvious if one player just dropped out of a PM.




I'll admit I've been focused on Zig, but I've literally been on SOV's case for 1 cycle, cut me some slack and let me run down a lead or two. Although if either of them flip wolf, I'm coming back to this post as you potentially trying to get me to drop a valid line of inquiry.

Grebes - Low # of posts but she gave a reads list to at least let us know where her thoughts are. They weren't super insightful, but she did at least take a stance on a few players and pushed back on snowy questioning her reads. neutral to slight village in my list looking through the lens of how verifiably busy she's been lately.


....You're literally restating my argument for why you're a wolf

And the one thing you know as a villager is that you are a villager. If you are a good player, then there is good reason to take you out of the game, so you develop a certain paranoia about that, DocE has a huge ego, so he thinks his loss would be a big one. I usually have a large ego as well, just not as much as him...so I can be skeeved out not about lynch votes, but my name being bandied about without votes yesterday. Knew I would be up for lynch today,,that seems suspicious.

I know better than a noob, and what is true for somone is game 5 is different in game 105.

Anyway, I didn’t attack anyone who voted for me, so why you so defensive about that comment?

 

[WildZoo]

I'll admit I've been focused on Zig, but I've literally been on SOV's case for 1 cycle, cut me some slack and let me run down a lead or two. Although if either of them flip wolf, I'm coming back to this post as you potentially trying to get me to drop a valid line of inquiry.

Grebes - Low # of posts but she gave a reads list to at least let us know where her thoughts are. They weren't super insightful, but she did at least take a stance on a few players and pushed back on snowy questioning her reads. neutral to slight village in my list looking through the lens of how verifiably busy she's been lately.

I'm not asking you to drop anything. Narrow focus always gives me squidgy feels, unless it's like...pip tunneling me. I just looked through your posts (granted, pretty quickly) and noted that the majority of your interactions have been with SOV or zig unless someone tagged you and almost all of your statements have been about them.

Grebes read is appreciated 👍

 

[StartingoverVet]

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[Animal Midwife]

What is a typical pippy conversion protocol (I don't remember and don't feel like going back to previous games to investigate) Does she overwrite the villager's role and give them a new one, or does she just straight convert them? If its the former I think it'd become super obvious if one player just dropped out of a PM.

It's straight conversion, but I was also referring to how she likes wolves to hit a certain number before allowing it to happen.

 

[Lawpy]

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[WildZoo]

It's straight conversion, but I was also referring to how she likes wolves to hit a certain number before allowing it to happen.

I'm currently blanking on what pip has modded besides Afterparty

 

[killerleaf]

Sorry guys for being quiet.
Yes, I normally do not talk that much. Wait, I usually don't get a chance to talk that much! Have been deaded early in games, except for the last one.
I try to read carefully, and try to develop feels and see if there is anything off-kilter with anyone. All in between trying to work. and appease hubby. and I hate typing on my phone.
I have great respect for those veterans of the WW, as they can impart guidance and wisdom, and try to pay attention to what they say, and learn from their play.
However, I am probably too trusting of everyone. At this point, nobody has really done anything that makes me go "aha, wolf!"

Coffee? seems to be the same as she was in the noobs in space game. Everyone speaks of people who play differently when village as opposed to wolfy...so will go back and refresh my memory of her play there.
MSU also seems to be about the same as before. I will go and reread that game a little.
WZ says that she is not voting coffee today, because she her actions were way too sketchy to be a wolf? Somehow, that doesn't compute for me. If you are way sketchy, isn't that usually a wolf? Am I reading too much into this? Was this a Freudian slip? Going to have to ponder.

Going to go iso some more. be back during afternoon break.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Mel is starting to remind me of @DVMDream ( hi dvmd - only love here)...stubborn, argumentative, clearly wrong, pisses me off, makes me want to lynch them, but doesn’t make em a wolf, so I have to restrain myself.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Not sure why all the angst about a minor role reveal. That was never a big issue back 8m the day. It is a minor role, and there are vanilla villagers so it doesn’t make anyone more of a target. It is mostly irrelevant. The only reason I even mention it is that I have little role to play,

Of course, if I really had a big role, do you think I would reveal it? Or maybe I would just do a false reveal to get the wolves off my track...now if you guys know anything about me, it is that I like to be creative my info release.

It kind of does cause trouble, even if you are just a vanillager. A least from a wolfing perspective, I loved it when everyone ability revealed because then I'd know who was a lesser priority to target.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm currently blanking on what pip has modded besides Afterparty

I think she also done some speed games with a similar premise.

 

[WildZoo]

WZ says that she is not voting coffee today, because she her actions were way too sketchy to be a wolf? Somehow, that doesn't compute for me. If you are way sketchy, isn't that usually a wolf? Am I reading too much into this? Was this a Freudian slip? Going to have to ponder.

Covfefe is a decent wolf and I think knows enough about good image control to not join a village bandwagon late like that as a wolf. It's surface sketchy but probably not a strategic wolf move.

She could be going for the WIFOM of course but that's my feel on it right now, and is why she's lower on my list currently than sport sport.

 

[WildZoo]

I think she also done some speed games with a similar premise.

Oh. Speed games barely count. I
don't remember there being any restriction on the conversion in the one I played. And, like Afterparty, I don't think there were converts in the one I helped her run.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Oh. Speed games barely count. I
don't remember there being any restriction on the conversion in the one I played. And, like Afterparty, I don't think there were converts in the one I helped her run.

Which one did you help her run? I may have forgotten.

 

[StartingoverVet]

It kind of does cause trouble, even if you are just a vanillager. A least from a wolfing perspective, I loved it when everyone ability revealed because then I'd know who was a lesser priority to target.

In a game where everyone has roles I agree. But in a game where it appears there are mostly vanilla villagers it makes no difference. All the vanillas are protection for the important roles, as they will just claim vanilla if there were a massive role reveal.

Remember there are fewer wolves, the more confirmable village roles you have, the better the odds of getting a wolf. Information is almost always the village friend. It may give the wolves a few targets, but it hugely increases the odds of lynching a wolf.

We can disagree, but in a game of unequal information, equaling the balance almost always favors the village. I think this “belief” is straying away from reality,

Now...having said that.,,I think this might be a game where roles that are villager could be wolfy as I stated earlier so the information wouldn’t help village, so a mass reveal would be stupid.

 

[WildZoo]

Which one did you help her run? I may have forgotten.

The weasel one. Think it was her first game.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Why are we obsessing (we’ll discussing it anyway) over conversions when we haven’t even found an original yet. That is really getting off point.

 

[WildZoo]

Why are we obsessing (we’ll discussing it anyway) over conversions when we haven’t even found an original yet. That is really getting off point.

Shhhh don't interrupt, I'm trying to see how far AM will go down this rabbit hole

 

[Melchizedek]

Why are we obsessing (we’ll discussing it anyway) over conversions when we haven’t even found an original yet. That is really getting off point.

it was a reaction test for AM

@dolphin106258 how do you feel about Mutts and AM right now?

ISO'ing Coffee right now since a few people have been bringing up her name

Edit: Ninja'd by Dubz.....on everything

 

[WildZoo]

it was a reaction test for AM

Omg

 

[Animal Midwife]

The weasel one. Think it was her first game.

You said there was no conversion possible in that one?

 

[WildZoo]

You said there was no conversion possible in that one?

Not as far as I remember

 

[muttmanager]

Day jailer... *twitch*.

Was the twitch on this bc you think it's a wolf jailer? or that it only impacts wolves?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Not as far as I remember

oh okay well I just meant games with a conversion opportunity

 

[WildZoo]

Was the twitch on this bc you think it's a wolf jailer? or that it only impacts wolves?

It's PTSD from a previous game with a day jailer. Nothing important lol

 

[Mad Jack]

It's PTSD from a previous game with a day jailer. Nothing important lol

WW PTSD is very real

 

[WildZoo]

oh okay well I just meant games with a conversion opportunity

Which would be...?

 

[Mad Jack]

Omg, we should make a game that is a mashup of all the most frustrating and terrible mechanics

 

[WildZoo]

Omg, we should make a game that is a mashup of all the most frustrating and terrible mechanics

All the players and the mods rage quit D1, Satan wins

 

[Melchizedek]

Omg

wut?

So these are the quotes that made me feel weird about coffee yesterday:


This one in particular. Was her first significant post of substance and a lot of mechanics talk, not a lot of anything else.

This response feels.... off.



This is after me saying that she was setting off my feels, but still is icky.

I've noticed some better play from her today, but a whole lot of questions and not a whole lot of individual analysis on her part. Is there anyone with a better grasp on Coffee's meta? Is this normal for her? I feel like it's been a century since I've played with her.

So your reasons to lynch coffee were because she talked mechanics and she makes you feel icky? That seems flimsy as hell for a vote.

I'm still playing catch up (page 9) but this is a fairly good summary of the feels I had on Coffee and why I voted for her D1. She just feels off to me, something in the tone and content.

SAR responds to Sporty's above post with this. It gives me a bad gut feeling, like you were retroactively trying to justify your lynch vote and using Sporty to do it.
I gave you village cred for the MPM catch but now slightly starting to feel like if you were a wolf and the wolves had seer'd MPM, they'd be looking for any excuse to get her possibly mislynched (but you brought that up during night cycle, and why kill MPM if you were going to try to mislynch her today with that thing you found?) going around in circles a little on this one.

Coffee feels like middle-ground village. If there's more to it than above, can someone explain why people were voting there?

 

[WildZoo]

wut?

I don't like when we're on the same wavelength, not even for a second

 

[Skimble]

I have not caught up again, and I only have a few minutes while waiting for blood to spin.

@Skimble Can I hear your current reads?

I actually have you (AM) as likely village. SOV is also reading like his normal village self, but for both of you it generally takes a little longer for me to get a really good read.

Mel and zig I have leaning wolf, though I’m not sure they’d both be wolves.

Everyone else is somewhere in the middle or I don’t have solid reads on yet.

Random thoughts I had while compiling votes (sometimes I actually read things, sometimes I just skim)


Skimble - some echoing of my thoughts. I don't like it.
dolph - feels fairly villa based on posts
capri - i dunno, really could go either way here. lackadaisical attitude and the way that tie went has me leaning more villa though.



directed at @MSUcvmHOPE who I forgot was playing, until i came across the whole jailing discussion again. not sure she ever answered but I could have missed it.

When did I echo your thoughts?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Which would be...?

What?

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Who were you expecting to be killed?

That is a weird question to ask. I wasn't "expecting" anyone in particular but I sure as **** wasn't thinking 2 people would be killed, one strong village lean and one strong PR.

 

[Melchizedek]

That is a weird question to ask. I wasn't "expecting" anyone in particular but I sure as **** wasn't thinking 2 people would be killed, one strong village lean and one strong PR.

Can you explain what gave you a "strong village lean" on genny?

 

[WildZoo]

What?

Trying to figure out what game(s) you're drawing your conclusions about Pip's conversion preferences from, because right now my only conclusion is that you somehow know about it from this one

 

[WildZoo]

When did I echo your thoughts?

Don't have time to hunt down quotes right now, I think it had something to do with capri, and then the bj lynch.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I'm following SOV's reasoning here which has him leaning more village to me; though I don't like the role reveal
SAR - we may just agree to disagree but with her explanation, she's not my top wolf any at the moment

I'm still very interested in a capri lynch - @capri1722 Any quality thoughts since genny and Snowy flipped village?



Any more to contribute on this feeling? Question for me?

Why still interested in a capri Lynch? I don't necessarily get that

Yeah. I find it interesting the wolf used their shot on genny last night and not the first night. They may not have felt threatened the first night but more last night. and genny was suspect of both you and dubs, adding to my suspicion of both of you

Zig - too reactive right off the bat, very active and not in a good way.

Cool

 

[SARdoghandler]

SAR responds to Sporty's above post with this. It gives me a bad gut feeling, like you were retroactively trying to justify your lynch vote and using Sporty to do it.
I gave you village cred for the MPM catch but now slightly starting to feel like if you were a wolf and the wolves had seer'd MPM, they'd be looking for any excuse to get her possibly mislynched (but you brought that up during night cycle, and why kill MPM if you were going to try to mislynch her today with that thing you found?) going around in circles a little on this one.

See, I figured this would likely happen because I didn't want to put on thread why I was feeling Coffee on D1. She sounded off to me early on, has improved somewhat with suspicion on her which is why I didn't vote for her immediately on D1 and didn't give reasons. I was waiting to see if her tone or post topics would change. I don't really get the whole "reaction test" thing, but I guess that's maybe sort of what I was trying to do?

Anyway my plan was to try and formulate an argument earlier yesterday about why she was making me feel squidgey but then OSCE happened and we all know how stellar my participation was because of that.

She may absolutely be a villager. However, I've played a game or two where Coffee and I were pm partners and both village so I like to think I know her tone and something just feels off.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Can you explain what gave you a "strong village lean" on genny?

Mostly my interaction with her d1. I played virtually an entire game with her on my STRONG village lean (she was the only one I trusted at the end of the game) and she acted similar in this game imo.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Trying to figure out what game(s) you're drawing your conclusions about Pip's conversion preferences from, because right now my only conclusion is that you somehow know about it from this one

I looked through my old pms and realized it was a mandela effect from the games I wolfed with pippy actually.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Omg, we should make a game that is a mashup of all the most frustrating and terrible mechanics

Just play one of mine