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Zenge142 said:
Village:
Animal Midwife- Hard to picture a world where AM is D1 bussing a pack mate that hard.
alleycat03- Genuine wolf hunting. A lot of places she could have gone to try and save Pippy but she was kind of the nail in the coffin and I don’t think wolf Ally would have made that play. This seems like village!Alley.
Viscernable- I’ve liked her posts and thoughts so far this game. Seems like she’s really trying to game solve and I this this is Village!Vis.
WildZoo- Seems like village Dubz so far. The only thing that gives me pause not being as appalled as I was at Pippy voting for Cray, but the reasoning of her Modding while Cray is wolfing makes sense, and it’s all something I can see coming from village!Dubz.

Neutral:
genny- Leaning village side of Neutral. She’s hard to read, but in general I feel okay about her. Not great but not bad. Where Bob put her on his reads list has me 2nd guessing and getting nervous though.
Melchizedek- Not entirely sure. The vote switching was a little weird but it seems like it was a reaction test to see who would jump on to make a wagon to save pippy. I guess I could see that being a wolf move to try and save pippy but I also think it almost seems too wolfy to be a wolf move.
Chaostrodon- Wasn’t here yesterday. Too early to say anything.
Stagg737-In general he tends to be sketchy so I’m leaving him in the bottom of neutrals for now instead of calling him a full blown wolf.
cubsrule4e- Not feeling great about Cubs but I usually don’t (except when it counts) so I’ll leave him bottom Neutrals for now.

Wolf:
bobloblaw - Weird last minute throwaway vote onto chaos. Reads list is a bit wonky. Overall not good feelings.
TelemarketingEnigma - Didn’t like the intro post. The vote onto Mel last night felt kind of opportunistic. On the one hand Mel was doing some weird vote switching. But if we believe it was a villager doing a reaction test and not a wolf flailing trying to save Pippy, which is hard to imagine Mel doing, then it’s worth looking at TME’s last minute Mel vote as a possible attempt to save Pippy by capitalizing on people being confused by Mel.
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I think criticizing my mel vote is fair but I will never understand the "intro post clearly wolfy" argument
 
Feeling good about Allie and AM, especially AM. Allie more so after the Pippy flip. Also gave Zenge more credit after reading the VC, but second guessing that a little after some re-reading and today.

TME would be too wolf read, but not sure how much info a flip would offer unless they flip red. Same with Bob. Mel and Cubs are also on the sketch side.

Genny is a question mark, Chaos is also a question mark. Vis is a village lean.
 
Stagg737 said:
Feeling good about Allie and AM, especially AM. Allie more so after the Pippy flip. Also gave Zenge more credit after reading the VC, but second guessing that a little after some re-reading and today.

TME would be too wolf read, but not sure how much info a flip would offer unless they flip red. Same with Bob. Mel and Cubs are also on the sketch side.

Genny is a question mark, Chaos is also a question mark. Vis is a village lean.
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Oh, and I guess Dubz is playing too.
 
Day 2: Shotput
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Find a cool rock. Show it to the mods. Prosper.
 
Viscernable said:
Hm I feel better about the hopping around if it was trying to see how Pippy would react. Will have to reread to look at how Mel was reading Pippy and how his vote progression went
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I can save you some leg work, I’d mentally given pippy a D1 pass because it sounded like she was coming off of hiatus and I was going to look at her today
 
TelemarketingEnigma said:
obviously I'm gonna be defensive about this since I'm on your list, but with the benefit of hindsight I don't know that flipping your vote around trying to build a counter wagon to a wolf vote is exactly a good village defense

I'm puzzling over why the wolves would let that vote go against them so easily on D1 and while I don't have a good answer, some possibilities:
- there were only 3 wolves total (a reasonable proportion) and they felt like pushing a new wagon with both of them in it would be too dangerous
- they were already in a wagon together and couldn't draw in a third
- one or more of the wolves was AWOL (hey chaos?) and the remaining wolf/wolves couldn't swing the vote without them
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This is what I was trying to get at with my post yesterday that dubz had difficulty with. Pippy was a part of the tie for a long time, a villager (Cray) finally broke it her way, so wolves were kind of frozen as to how to protect her in that situation. Then a 3rd vote came and there was really nothing that could be done without drawing major attention. Thats why I was more suspect of some of the later voters/people who were quieter leading up to EOD. And as AM pointed out, Pippy didnt self-prez, likely to give out as limited information as possible.
 
Viscernable said:
Mel bopping all around like he’s looking for a wagon that will catch on after Pippy pulled into the lead, Bob quietly waiting until the last minute to place a throwaway vote, and TE offering a Mel counterwagon interest me.

I know it’s hypocritical, but Z avoiding being the one to put anyone in the lead and instead making the 9-way tie before Pippy pulled into the lead is also interesting. I agree with voting for your wolfiest read and I do see what he was seeing with TE, but I do feel weird about him just having said he didn’t want to read her either way yet (his explanation of actually meaning he wanted to be cautious about her given he village read her for a while in RvB makes sense, but could be retconning).

Dunno how I feel about cubs offering a Bob counterwagon. Seems kind of late to be doing it hoping a counterwagon would build. Will need to reread his posts on Bob.
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I had talked myself out of pippy, genny i actually did feel better about, so I was voting with one of my village reads on someone I didnt have any village points for and, whom as you point out and I had last night, was one of the people waiting to vote late, although he did come on thread and start some dialogue. Best I could really do at that point.
 
cubsrule4e said:
This is what I was trying to get at with my post yesterday that dubz had difficulty with. Pippy was a part of the tie for a long time, a villager (Cray) finally broke it her way, so wolves were kind of frozen as to how to protect her in that situation. Then a 3rd vote came and there was really nothing that could be done without drawing major attention. Thats why I was more suspect of some of the later voters/people who were quieter leading up to EOD. And as AM pointed out, Pippy didnt self-prez, likely to give out as limited information as possible.
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Yeah the thing I had trouble with was that you originally framed it as giving village points to the people who were around, but at that point in time no one was moving their votes, so I didn't understand how you were distinguishing that from woofs not moving their votes
 
Vote Zenge.

As I said Zenges comment there felt s v s , and the fact that Pippy didnt self prez on the next biggest cw means a Zenge scum possibility is one that I cannot ignore

Honestly Im a bit surprised no one else has pointed this out
 
Chaostrodon said:
Vote Zenge.

As I said Zenges comment there felt s v s , and the fact that Pippy didnt self prez on the next biggest cw means a Zenge scum possibility is one that I cannot ignore

Honestly Im a bit surprised no one else has pointed this out
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There were multiple counterwagons, Chaos. She opted out of all of them.
 
Chaostrodon said:
What do we think of the chances of alley bussing?

On one hand , Pippy's role seems pretty powerful so scum wouldnt/shouldnt wanna bus that on d1

On the other, Pippy defending alley initially felt like possible s v s, Also I dont see that many Pippy-alley interactions unlike Cray or AM.

Atp , I am leaning alley non wolf , but dont think scum!alley is entirely outside the realm of possibility
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I think it would be kind of a dick move as a wolf to be the 3rd and final vote on my teammate. I only bus when I absolutely have no other choice. I could’ve easily voted for someone else, but Pippy was acting weird, and I voted for her and ended up being right.
 
Animal Midwife said:
There were multiple counterwagons, Chaos. She opted out of all of them.
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Hmm , guess I skimmed it a bit too fast. But I definitely felt like people were atleast talking about Zenge and Pippy more than the other players , hence why I thought he was the major cw
 
alleycat03 said:
I think it would be kind of a dick move as a wolf to be the 3rd and final vote on my teammate. I only bus when I absolutely have no other choice. I could’ve easily voted for someone else, but Pippy was acting weird, and I voted for her and ended up being right.
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Good job there , alley !!
 
cubsrule4e said:
I had talked myself out of pippy, genny i actually did feel better about, so I was voting with one of my village reads on someone I didnt have any village points for and, whom as you point out and I had last night, was one of the people waiting to vote late, although he did come on thread and start some dialogue. Best I could really do at that point.
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I agree that late vote/counterwagon scrutiny is worthwhile (unfortunately though, since it strongly implicates me which I obviously don't love)

it makes me feel worse about the people sitting in that tie between Zenge and Pippy for a while (Genny, Mel) since I would think there would have been a wolf in at least one viable counter wagon at some point during the day. Not a guarantee at all but worth looking at. I feel better about genny (especially since she was the first vote there) than mel

Chaostrodon said:
Vote Zenge.

As I said Zenges comment there felt s v s , and the fact that Pippy didnt self prez on the next biggest cw means a Zenge scum possibility is one that I cannot ignore

Honestly Im a bit surprised no one else has pointed this out
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I'll have to check what time it all happened, but from AM's vote tracker in all the bouncing of votes Mel moved off Zenge reducing that wagon's viability for a self-prez move. and then other last minute counter wagons formed (me, mel, bob). some of those were fairly late, so either pippy didn't want to move onto a wolf or it was just too late to make something happen (would have needed at least one other person to vote with her in order to save her, not just tie)
 
Chaostrodon said:
Hmm , guess I skimmed it a bit too fast. But I definitely felt like people were atleast talking about Zenge and Pippy more than the other players , hence why I thought he was the major cw
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Yeah, Zenge has only one vote while Pippy had three. So regardless of his affiliation, she couldn't save herself by moving there alone. I posted a tracker a bit after yeet close that marks wagon formations.
 
TelemarketingEnigma said:
I agree that late vote/counterwagon scrutiny is worthwhile (unfortunately though, since it strongly implicates me which I obviously don't love)

it makes me feel worse about the people sitting in that tie between Zenge and Pippy for a while (Genny, Mel) since I would think there would have been a wolf in at least one viable counter wagon at some point during the day. Not a guarantee at all but worth looking at. I feel better about genny (especially since she was the first vote there) than mel



I'll have to check what time it all happened, but from AM's vote tracker in all the bouncing of votes Mel moved off Zenge reducing that wagon's viability for a self-prez move. and then other last minute counter wagons formed (me, mel, bob). some of those were fairly late, so either pippy didn't want to move onto a wolf or it was just too late to make something happen (would have needed at least one other person to vote with her in order to save her, not just tie)
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First of all Chaos, the conversation that you’re looking at as s/s between me and Genny, that you reference here
Chaostrodon said:
But this post gave me strong s/s vibes.
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Is actually a conversation between me and midwife. I suggest you read the thread more closely.

Secondly, I wasn’t a viable option for Pippy to self prez onto. I only had the one Genny vote as opposed to several other options with two votes.
kaydubs said:
Pippy (3) - AM, Cray, alley
Mel (2) - dubz, TME
dubz ()
cubs ()
Zenge (1) - genny
alley (1) - Stagg
Bob (2) - Visc, cubs
Cray (1) - Pippy
TME (2) - Zenge, Mel
Chaos (1) - Bob
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Zenge142 said:
First of all Chaos, the conversation that you’re looking at as s/s between me and Genny, that you reference here

Is actually a conversation between me and midwife. I suggest you read the thread more closely.

Secondly, I wasn’t a viable option for Pippy to self prez onto. I only had the one Genny vote as opposed to several other options with two votes.
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When I say s/s I didnt mean the participants in the conversation , I meant the relationship between the speaker of the quote and its subject.
The way you were talking about Pippy made me feel you and Pippy could be in a team.


Also I dont read Genny / You as s/s.
I only said it felt like Genny was being overtly pushy.


Yes Im aware that you were talking to AM , I didnt post it there as an excerpt from you vs Genny. I posted it there bc that was the line that made me think you and Pippy could be s/s
 
Chaostrodon said:
The way you were talking about Pippy made me feel you and Pippy could be in a team.
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So when we were in a 9-way tie, and Pippy only had one vote on her, and Cray only had one vote on her, you’re suggesting my thread contributions here
Zenge142 said:
Is that the Cray wolfing meta we’re all familiar with? Quiet!Cray = Wolf!Cray? Is this really a good reason for someone to be voting her?
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Zenge142 said:
Fair enough. I’d say that it doesn’t just feel weird for Village!Cray, it’s weird regardless of affiliation. Wolf!Cray is plenty engaged. So I assume it’s NAI.
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Talking about how terrible I think Pippy’s vote was and defending Cray, is indicative of me being teammates with Pippy?
 
Melchizedek said:
I can save you some leg work, I’d mentally given pippy a D1 pass because it sounded like she was coming off of hiatus and I was going to look at her today
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I kind of thought the hiatus point was just AtE, because didn’t she just play in Madagascar? (where she was a wolf lmao)

Not that Mel would know that for sure but I kinda took that comment with a grain of salt.
 
TelemarketingEnigma said:
I think criticizing my mel vote is fair but I will never understand the "intro post clearly wolfy" argument
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The basis behind it is that wolves are likely nervous and try to make an innocuous entrance post that won’t look suspicious at all. So when someone’s intro post seems off, it’s seen as wolfy.
 
Zenge142 said:
So when we were in a 9-way tie, and Pippy only had one vote on her, and Cray only had one vote on her, you’re suggesting my thread contributions here



Talking about how terrible I think Pippy’s vote was and defending Cray, is indicative of me being teammates with Pippy?
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You are getting this all entirely wrong , intentionally or not , I do not know.


Zenge142 said:
If Pippy flips wolf where would you look next?

What about if she flips village?
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I am talking about this line.

This question that you asked AM made me feel like you and Pippy could be s/s . Because it made me feel you were trying to get AM to reconsider her choice of voting Pippy there and/or you were trying to make AM's vote on Pippy to be depthless.

Bc you have worded this in a way that implies AM should have thought about Pippy's potential partners beforehand and I feel the intentions behind you asking this question may not be benign
 
I now realize why I thought Zenge was the main cw to Pippy , it was bc of this line

PippyPony said:
I don't really want to vote Zenge on D1 but I will do it if you punks can't even give me a freaking day.
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Also bc I think I skipped reading page no 7
 
Zenge142 said:
Why is Genny so high on your list? I mean, she’s not one of my top wolf reads or anything but it’s weird that you have her so high.

Like you think it’s more likely that AM was bussing Pippy than you think Genny could be a wolf?
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Seems like normal genny to me. She seems to be care free with the jokes as village. I think people jump on that as wolfy. Speaking from firsthand experience. I find it very hard to joke at all if you are wolf bc it just rubs people wrong. I have been on this side before saying genny seemed village and not wrong yet, but blown up for reading it as village every time. Something about the lackadaisical approach that wolves don't have.

I think AM would be a scary wolf and it worries me that everyone so freely allows her to get in deep. I think AM would vote wolf D1. Seems like a wolf play she would do, but I haven't seen her wolf. Like I said, her biggest thing saying not wolf is interaction with pippy. You not worrying about pocketing at all?
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I think AM would be a scary wolf and it worries me that everyone so freely allows her to get in deep. I think AM would vote wolf D1. Seems like a wolf play she would do, but I haven't seen her wolf. Like I said, her biggest thing saying not wolf is interaction with pippy. You not worrying about pocketing at all?
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While in general i am staunchly in the "don't sheep AM" camp, from what i've seen and been repeatedly told by literally everyone else, AM is probably the only player who actually steadfastly holds to their "I don't bus" personal rule. Lots of people will say they hate bussing but still do it, AM actually seems to stick to her word on it and from what I can tell, she prefers long term success rates over one single vote, so I'd be surprised if this was the game where she decided it was time to break that rule and lose all future credibility
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Seems like normal genny to me. She seems to be care free with the jokes as village. I think people jump on that as wolfy. Speaking from firsthand experience. I find it very hard to joke at all if you are wolf bc it just rubs people wrong. I have been on this side before saying genny seemed village and not wrong yet, but blown up for reading it as village every time. Something about the lackadaisical approach that wolves don't have.

I think AM would be a scary wolf and it worries me that everyone so freely allows her to get in deep. I think AM would vote wolf D1. Seems like a wolf play she would do, but I haven't seen her wolf. Like I said, her biggest thing saying not wolf is interaction with pippy. You not worrying about pocketing at all?
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I doubt it , tbh. If you look at Pippy's role it says 1 extra kill. I very much doubt wolf!AM would lead the vote against a wolf that gets an extra kill on D1.
From the wolf!team perspective , they would have likely no idea about what kind of PRs are in store for them. So leading a bus against a fellow team member is a way too much risk and way too much of a loss.
 
But I am surprised that the scum team didnt seem to make any effort to save Pippy (I think someone else also pointed this out).

Now on rereading the page number 7 that I missed , it seems the Zenge cw was dissolving at a time I would expect it to grow stronger .

We need to look for a reason that could explain this
 
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