**Official 2024 Ortho PASS/Interviews/Match/Non-Match**

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lifenew said:
yes if someone can manage the finance to get in GSO is better that staying lost an and undecided, experience could be acquired but all in all that makes it more costly.
I encountered one program (not ortho though) that does not accept loan and it is easier to get in as requirements, it felt weird somehow why they don't accept loans!
lately I found that this program has bad reputation and was on verge of bankruptcy that why banks will not fund applicants to such program.
I'm not saying this apply to GSO by any mean. but the idea of not accepting loans need to be thought about! or maybe there are more fine details to get
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Bankruptcy? 😂😂
Nope, they're accredited by CODA, so they don't have money problems. Two of my friends graduated from GSO and are now Orthodontists. Just so you know, you can get private loans, but they don't qualify you for FAFSA, like many other programs. Some programs offer you a stipend for $30k, but you have to pay tuition and get a private loan for living expenses because you can't qualify for FAFSA. I think all the rumors about GSO being too expensive are because some people can't afford it and apply without loans, so they spread rumors. Also, if some programs take 7 residents for a three-year program, not all 21 residents are seeing patients at the same time, and they have different schedules. So it doesn't make sense for GSO to need 135 chairs and 135 patients at the same time!!! 😄
 
Fred13 said:
Bankruptcy? 😂😂
Nope, they're accredited by CODA, so they don't have money problems. Two of my friends graduated from GSO and are now Orthodontists. Just so you know, you can get private loans, but they don't qualify you for FAFSA, like many other programs. Some programs offer you a stipend for $30k, but you have to pay tuition and get a private loan for living expenses because you can't qualify for FAFSA. I think all the rumors about GSO being too expensive are because some people can't afford it and apply without loans, so they spread rumors. Also, if some programs take 7 residents for a three-year program, not all 21 residents are seeing patients at the same time, and they have different schedules. So it doesn't make sense for GSO to need 135 chairs and 135 patients at the same time!!! 😄
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There is a big difference between 7 and 45. On average most program is 5 residents, so that means GSO has the equivalent of 9 programs in one program, that is insane

I think if given the choice nobody want to go there unless there is no choice
 
Just curious, why people who completed ortho residencies at dental schools like Tennessee and VCU tell me to not to apply to GME (Graduate Medical Education) funded programs like Bronx, MedStar or Montefiore?

They only recommended me to apply to dental school based programs like theirs.

To me, these GME programs look solid cause they pay medical resident salary even though they have tuition too? and many of them also participate in the match?

I understand why they don't like OEC (Ortho Education Company) based, non-match programs like Georgia and Jacksonville cause they are now orthodontists with certificates so they don't want to saturate the job market.... Just fyi, here is a thread about OEC programs and how much dentists were concerned about them almost 20 years ago: Oec
 
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Smileartist2024 said:
There is a big difference between 7 and 45. On average most program is 5 residents, so that means GSO has the equivalent of 9 programs in one program, that is insane

I think if given the choice nobody want to go there unless there is no choice
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If you have the choice, sure, go for it. But if you don't have any other options, it's okay to apply to GSO and become an orthodontist sooner Or you can risk it and apply next year and hope for an invitation and getting matched.It's a personal decision. We're lucky to have GSO as an option because many other specialties struggle. This is just my opinion, and I understand that some people might not afford to apply to this program. However, there's no reason to criticize the program's logic. It's CODA approved, and there's no difference in terms of accreditation between GSO and other programs like UCLA, UCSF, UPENN, NYU, or others
 
Faefly said:
I wish we have any gso resident that can shade a light about the education/training/cases they get
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I have a friend who is attending GSO. He likes it, but he was already a specialist in Brazil, and so do I. For us it’s easier. For someone who has never done Ortho before, tx planning is not easy.
 
Smileartist2024 said:
How can you have a good education if there is 45 spots? 3 years means 135 spots
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It’s a lot, I agree. But for some people it can actually work. And remember it has gotten coda accreditation. I’ve met the program director and he looked liked a person committed in providing good quality education.
 
Fred13 said:
We're lucky to have GSO as an option because many other specialties struggle. This is just my opinion, and I understand that some people might not afford to apply to this program. However, there's no reason to criticize the program's logic. It's CODA approved, and there's no difference in terms of accreditation between GSO and other programs like UCLA, UCSF, UPENN, NYU, or others
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I fully understand what you are saying and respect your words. However, I have a different point of view than yours. I don't think we are necessarily "lucky" to have these programs like GSO if we look at it in long term. I heard that the job market for orthodontists is getting worse every year and it's currently one of the worst among all desirable specialty fields.
 
9/18 (email): St Barnabas, 10/11 (in person) with social at night
 
1. 8/22 (email) Seton Hill, interview 9/21 and 9/22 in-person
2. 8/24 (email) Iowa, interview 9/22 in-person
3. 8/24 (email) Oklahoma, interview 10/13 or 10/20 with social the night before
4. 8/25 (email) Illinois, interview 10/11 , 10/12, and 10/13, in person
5. 8/28 (email) Colorado, interview 9/28, 9/29, and 10/2 in person
6. 8/30 (email) Indiana, interview 10/12, 10/13 in person
7. 9/5 (email): University of Texas at Houston, 10/19, 10/20 (with mandatory social night before) in-person
8. 9/7 (email) University of Florida, 10/9 or 10/10 (in person), social night before
9. 9/7 (email) LSU, 10/19 or 10/20 in person with social on 10/19 evening
10. 9/8 (email) Tufts, 9/26, 9/27, 9/28 with a social (details to follow)
11. 9/8 (phone call) University of Michigan, October 9th or 16th with a social the day before
12. 9/8 (email) University of Tennessee 10/13 or 10/16 (in person) with social the night before
13. 9/9 (email) University of Washington, Oct 9th with a social the night before
14. 9/12 (email) Ohio State University, 10/9 or 10/10
15. 9/12 (email) OHSU, 10/20 or 10/23 social night before
16. 9/12 (phone call) Texas A&M 10/17, 10/18 or 10/19 in-person
17. 9/12 (email) Boston University, 10/30 with a social the day before; interview on 11/1 with social on Oct 31st
18. 9/12 (email) Texas San Antonio 10/3 and 10/4 in person with social on 10/3
19. 9/12 (email) AT Still - 10/16 or 10/17 interview
20. 9/12 (email) UMKC, 10/16 in person w/ social the night before
21. 9/13 (call and email) Loma Linda Interview 10/09 and 10/10
22. 9/14 (email) University of British Columbia, interview 10/28 online
23. 9/15: (email) University of Buffalo, interview 10/13 and 10/16
24. 9/15: (email) Saint Louis University, interview October 10, 11, 19, 20 with socials the evening before each
25. 9/17: (email) CTOR Academy- Interview: September 29th. & Social 28th, Interview: October 6th, Social on the 5th.
26. 9/18 (email): St Barnabas, 10/11 (in person) with social at night
 
When BU breaks your heart twice meanwhile spams you with BU public health degree emails 😅
 
1. 8/22 (email) Seton Hill, interview 9/21 and 9/22 in-person
2. 8/24 (email) Iowa, interview 9/22 in-person
3. 8/24 (email) Oklahoma, interview 10/13 or 10/20 with social the night before
4. 8/25 (email) Illinois, interview 10/11 , 10/12, and 10/13, in person
5. 8/28 (email) Colorado, interview 9/28, 9/29, and 10/2 in person
6. 8/30 (email) Indiana, interview 10/12, 10/13 in person
7. 9/5 (email): University of Texas at Houston, 10/19, 10/20 (with mandatory social night before) in-person
8. 9/7 (email) University of Florida, 10/9 or 10/10 (in person), social night before
9. 9/7 (email) LSU, 10/19 or 10/20 in person with social on 10/19 evening
10. 9/8 (email) Tufts, 9/26, 9/27, 9/28 with a social (details to follow)
11. 9/8 (phone call) University of Michigan, October 9th or 16th with a social the day before
12. 9/8 (email) University of Tennessee 10/13 or 10/16 (in person) with social the night before
13. 9/9 (email) University of Washington, Oct 9th with a social the night before
14. 9/12 (email) Ohio State University, 10/9 or 10/10
15. 9/12 (email) OHSU, 10/20 or 10/23 social night before
16. 9/12 (phone call) Texas A&M 10/17, 10/18 or 10/19 in-person
17. 9/12 (email) Boston University, 10/30 with a social the day before; interview on 11/1 with social on Oct 31st
18. 9/12 (email) Texas San Antonio 10/3 and 10/4 in person with social on 10/3
19. 9/12 (email) AT Still - 10/16 or 10/17 interview
20. 9/12 (email) UMKC, 10/16 in person w/ social the night before
21. 9/13 (call and email) Loma Linda Interview 10/09 and 10/10
22. 9/14 (email) University of British Columbia, interview 10/28 online
23. 9/15: (email) University of Buffalo, interview 10/13 and 10/16
24. 9/15: (email) Saint Louis University, interview October 10, 11, 19, 20 with socials the evening before each
25. 9/17: (email) CTOR Academy- Interview: September 29th. & Social 28th, Interview: October 6th, Social on the 5th.
26. 9/18 (email): St Barnabas, 10/11 (in person) with social at night
27. 9/18 (email): Boston University, Interview 11/1 with social 10/31 (Second Round)
28. 9/18 (email): University of Pacific interview on 10/16 and 10/17 with social the night before
 
rctdoc99 said:
Alabama anyone?? Have any of you heard??
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Havent heard yet. Feel like this whole process sending out interviews is taking a lot longer than I expected. Especially when most interviews are in October, they really don’t give you adequate time to take off work, etc
 
enderwazlib said:
Just pick the ones you want to go to, and turn down the others. I do not see this going well…
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I honestly think it depends on the program, some don’t mind I heard but also you’ve got better chances matching to that program if you do in person interview. Go for it if it’s your last choice. Won’t hurt trying.
 
Futuredentist94 said:
At this point is anyone else wondering if your remaining schools have already sent invites but nobody who got the invites posted them on this website?? Lol. I wish the schools informed you when they send out invites.
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Yes, please if anyone gets an invite, share to this thread. We’d greatly appreciate it. It’ll help a lot with scheduling and stuff.
 
24 schools left to reject me 🥲
From my list...
 
I keep seeing a lot of negative comments on this thread unlike previous years. Everyone please maintain a positive outlook and acknowledge that the outcome is now beyond your control. Dwelling on negativity won’t help you out; it’ll only hurt you more. Yes it’s a frustrating process but please clear your mind, be patient and wait for the emails, they will come. And to be honest, stay away from this thread if it stresses you out looking at that list getting longer by the day. POSITIVE VIBES ONLY.
 
Im planning to apply in the future and out of curiosity how many programs did you guys apply to or would recommend applying to
 
youutuber said:
I applied to 15 due to family
but I would apply to as many programs as your wallet/situation allows you to.
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I saw somewhere on a past thread someone applied to 40 programs which is wild. Def more chances to get interviews but the thing I would be afraid of is that the interview dates may collide especially if there are socials the night before or only in-person
 
Skate4Ever09 said:
I saw somewhere on a past thread someone applied to 40 programs which is wild. Def more chances to get interviews but the thing I would be afraid of is that the interview dates may collide especially if there are socials the night before or only in-person
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That was one of my concerns too. If it helps, many (but not all) programs list their interview dates on the program specific PASS webpage.
So, you can adjust which programs to apply to if many of the programs you are interested in have overlap. But rest assured as most programs give 2 dates. They are well aware that there could be potential overlap.

For instance, this year Rutgers & Temple have overlap on 10/27. Click on the links below and scroll down to see the interview dates. Hope this helps!

Sources:

Rutgers School of Dental Medicine - ADEA PASS® Program

programs.adea.org programs.adea.org

Temple University, Kornberg School of Dentistry - ADEA PASS® Program

programs.adea.org programs.adea.org
 
Skate4Ever09 said:
Im planning to apply in the future and out of curiosity how many programs did you guys apply to or would recommend applying to
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As many as possible. Just because you apply to 20 or 30 doesn't necessarily mean you will have that many interviews that overlap. Some people apply to 20 and get 13 interviews, some only get 1 or 2. I "only" applied to 20 and thought that was plenty but now in hind sight wishing I did 8-10 more.
 
Skate4Ever09 said:
Im planning to apply in the future and out of curiosity how many programs did you guys apply to or would recommend applying to
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I personally applied to 39 programs and got one interview so far. So grateful for this one invitation but hoping for more.. 24 schools left on my list.
Im also hoping for second rounds of interview invites from the schools that have already sent out invites..
Hoping for the best and wishing everyone good luck!
 
orthoexplorer said:
It’s really frustrating how many programs have interview invites that overlap. You’d figure there would be some sort of coordination or even announcement of their interview dates as we are in the application process. I know some programs do but a good bit of programs don’t.
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Look at the endo forum for 2024. SO MANY programs picked the exact same day for their interviews. My friend was devastated. Between 5 same day interviews she picked one but they didn't give her a spot at the end.
 
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Does anyone interviewing at Chicago on Wednesday want to switch to Thursday? Please let me know
 
1. 8/22 (email) Seton Hill, interview 9/21 and 9/22 in-person
2. 8/24 (email) Iowa, interview 9/22 in-person
3. 8/24 (email) Oklahoma, interview 10/13 or 10/20 with social the night before
4. 8/25 (email) Illinois, interview 10/11 , 10/12, and 10/13, in person
5. 8/28 (email) Colorado, interview 9/28, 9/29, and 10/2 in person
6. 8/30 (email) Indiana, interview 10/12, 10/13 in person
7. 9/5 (email): University of Texas at Houston, 10/19, 10/20 (with mandatory social night before) in-person
8. 9/7 (email) University of Florida, 10/9 or 10/10 (in person), social night before
9. 9/7 (email) LSU, 10/19 or 10/20 in person with social on 10/19 evening
10. 9/8 (email) Tufts, 9/26, 9/27, 9/28 with a social (details to follow)
11. 9/8 (phone call) University of Michigan, October 9th or 16th with a social the day before
12. 9/8 (email) University of Tennessee 10/13 or 10/16 (in person) with social the night before
13. 9/9 (email) University of Washington, Oct 9th with a social the night before
14. 9/12 (email) Ohio State University, 10/9 or 10/10
15. 9/12 (email) OHSU, 10/20 or 10/23 social night before
16. 9/12 (phone call) Texas A&M 10/17, 10/18 or 10/19 in-person
17. 9/12 (email) Boston University, 10/30 with a social the day before; interview on 11/1 with social on Oct 31st
18. 9/12 (email) Texas San Antonio 10/3 and 10/4 in person with social on 10/3
19. 9/12 (email) AT Still, 10/16 or 10/17 interview
20. 9/12 (email) UMKC, 10/16 in person w/ social the night before
21. 9/13 (call and email) Loma Linda, interview 10/09 and 10/10
22. 9/14 (email) University of British Columbia, interview 10/28 online
23. 9/15: (email) University of Buffalo, interview 10/13 and 10/16
24. 9/15: (email) Saint Louis University, interview October 10, 11, 19, 20 with socials the evening before each
25. 9/17: (email) CTOR Academy, Interview: September 29th. & Social 28th, Interview: October 6th, Social on the 5th.
26. 9/18 (email): St Barnabas, 10/11 (in person) with social at night
27. 9/18 (email): Boston University, Interview 11/1 with social 10/31 (Second Round)
28. 9/18 (email): University of Pacific, interview on 10/16 and 10/17 with social the night before
29. 9/19 (email): Columbia, interview 10/16 and 10/17 with social the night before
 
1. 8/22 (email) Seton Hill, interview 9/21 and 9/22 in-person
2. 8/24 (email) Iowa, interview 9/22 in-person
3. 8/24 (email) Oklahoma, interview 10/13 or 10/20 with social the night before
4. 8/25 (email) Illinois, interview 10/11 , 10/12, and 10/13, in person
5. 8/28 (email) Colorado, interview 9/28, 9/29, and 10/2 in person
6. 8/30 (email) Indiana, interview 10/12, 10/13 in person
7. 9/5 (email): University of Texas at Houston, 10/19, 10/20 (with mandatory social night before) in-person
8. 9/7 (email) University of Florida, 10/9 or 10/10 (in person), social night before
9. 9/7 (email) LSU, 10/19 or 10/20 in person with social on 10/19 evening
10. 9/8 (email) Tufts, 9/26, 9/27, 9/28 with a social (details to follow)
11. 9/8 (phone call) University of Michigan, October 9th or 16th with a social the day before
12. 9/8 (email) University of Tennessee 10/13 or 10/16 (in person) with social the night before
13. 9/9 (email) University of Washington, Oct 9th with a social the night before
14. 9/12 (email) Ohio State University, 10/9 or 10/10
15. 9/12 (email) OHSU, 10/20 or 10/23 social night before
16. 9/12 (call) Texas A&M 10/17, 10/18 or 10/19 in-person
17. 9/12 (email) Boston University, 10/30 with a social the day before; interview on 11/1 with social on Oct 31st
18. 9/12 (email) Texas San Antonio 10/3 and 10/4 in person with social on 10/3
19. 9/12 (email) AT Still, 10/16 or 10/17 interview
20. 9/12 (email) UMKC, 10/16 in person w/ social the night before
21. 9/13 (call and email) Loma Linda, interview 10/09 and 10/10
22. 9/14 (email) University of British Columbia, interview 10/28 online
23. 9/15: (email) University of Buffalo, interview 10/13 and 10/16
24. 9/15: (email) Saint Louis University, interview October 10, 11, 19, 20 with socials the evening before each
25. 9/17: (email) CTOR Academy, Interview: September 29th. & Social 28th, Interview: October 6th, Social on the 5th.
26. 9/18 (email): St Barnabas, 10/11 (in person) with social at night
27. 9/18 (email): Boston University, Interview 11/1 with social 10/31 (Second Round)
28. 9/18 and 9/19 (email): University of Pacific, interview on 10/16 and 10/17 with social the night before
29. 9/19 (email): Columbia, interview 10/16 and 10/17 with social the night before
30. 9/19 (call): UAB interview on 10/12 or 10/13 with social on 10/12
31. 9/19 (call): Bronxcare, interview 10/9 and 10/10 with social the night before
32. 9/19 (email): Penn, 10/11 AM or PM and 10/18 AM or PM with social the night before
 
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doctorortho said:
Look at the endo forum for 2024. SO MANY program picked I the exact same day for their interviews. My friend was devastated. Between 5 same day interviews she picked one but they didn't give her a spot at the end.
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Wow. That’s so upsetting. What a terrible situation to be in.
 
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