Why are you getting personal about things? Michigan and Case are both excellent programs with high quality training. The point of my post was to say that more months of OMS doesn’t mean better training program.
LSU Nola has the highest that I know of at 45 months on service
Is it that personal? Can’t you handle some reality check? Poor guy!
How many years of ecfmg certification is given? 2 or 3y? When do you take step exams?
Hahah I’m not changing anything. There are plenty of OMS’s who’ve completed more training after. I don’t even know who you are. You should worry about your own future plans if you’re a resident somewhere rather than talking smack about programs and picking arguments with their residents.
Is there a list of all programs? I think I saw once somewhere but can’t find it
Step 1: Exam taken in March, this is after completing the 7 months of OMS. You get 1 month of dedicated study time prior
Dude why are you so angry? Let people do what they want with their careers. @GimmeTheScalpel will be doing more good for patients in need with his additional training.
That plenty you are talking about is 2-3 out of 200 graduates a year, or even less! No one will do extra “ 3 years” after 6 years to waste private practice money.
You’re not a resident. Anyway I’m proud of UM. So do you think Dr. Posnick and Diercks wasted private practice money? You’re not even in our field so your opinion isn’t necessary but thanks bud.
Angry general dentist lurking the OMS forums lol
Boss you have no idea what you’re talking about
That seems awfully high if half the residents go on to do a fellowship. Curious do Michigan residents feel they need to do a fellowship because they lack autonomy and got subpar surgical experience?
No usually to do head and neck surgery or pediatric craniofacial surgery residents do a focused fellowship. The overwhelming majority of the OMS community would disagree with your comment but given that this is your first post I’m sure you’re trolling hard my friend.
aren’t we all?
Hey man,
I am a current non-categorical intern at this program and have enjoyed my time here! I can say that my experience here has been invaluable and without a doubt helped me gain interviews and ultimately match this year! Last year all 3 non-cats matched as well! Did I mention this program has post call days. The rising chiefs are fantastic to work with and hard workers. Phoenix is a great city to live in and offers a variety of things to do on your time off. I would highly recommend this internship to anyone that is looking to strengthen their application and broaden their knowledge base before next cycle. Please feel free to DM me if you have any questions
Well - some people simply just don't fit the culture or honestly came off VERY, to put it bluntly, weird in the interview. There were a few folks we instantly black balled / unranked just because they said some pretty off-putting things. So that cuts the rank list down. Thankfully we matched all of our spots this year however I did feel that there could have been more interview spots offered at the beginning (there were less spots offered than last year). Additionally, unfortunately the forum followers here may be surprised but the CBSE scores across the board simply are not as high as SDN makes it out to be. Folks here are typically a different type of student that might have the high score already but the applicants by and large have pretty low scores (think majority sub 70). Due to that, immediately the medical school would not accept those applicants who are sub 70 and the pool is shrunk, thus driving more 4 year competition since that's their only shot.
This guy has absolutely no clue what he's talking about - in what world do you think any residency across any discipline doesn't have an aspect of "free labor"? How else do you learn? Do you just go in day 1 and go about doing a Lefort? You assist, you hold suction, and you learn the principles before you touch the patient. Some programs don't have a cosmetic aspect offered at all in their training - for those that value that as part of their residency Case is a great experience to be exposed to that. You're an absolute idiot... stay in your lane and get into a program first bud.
Case PD is clear on CBSE score. He said one need the score which is equal to Step 1 PASS. It makes sense also because there is no point taking a applicant who might not PASS. I am sure it's the same story with other 6 yr programs. They don't want to lose med school accreditation. Low scores doesn't set well for them. It's a fair game for both the applicant and the program. 4 years need not stress on clearing the steps, etc. So a score below the step 1 PASS will work. Its now up to the applicants what other things they are looking for in the program which becomes a deciding factor to Rank the program.
Check DM.
never thought Id see MGH go unmatched... that's pretty crazy
Something about med school limiting how many people they could rank. I assume this was a similar case for many of the programs on that list. I posted a comment on the previous page with my thoughts about how 6-year programs can't expect to be successful if they keep limiting their rank lists. It's a really a shame for both the applicants and the programs.
Seconding that if you're above the med school pass (something like a 67 EPC I believe nowadays?), your foot is in the door for most 6 yr programs. Obviously, the higher you go the better. I believe the CBSE that interviewed at my program ranged something from 74-89 EPC - though once you're at the interview stage, a higher score will not trump program compatibility and what you say during the interview. So for all future applicants - just do as well as you can above 67 EPC and focus on the interview, don't stress about a couple points here and there.
Isn’t it 63 EPC
I’d imagine most, if not all, are already filled. Probably most filled by Friday afternoon.
Just a friendly reminder to future applicants that MONTHS ON SERVICE does not always mean better
Any resident at any program has the opportunity to become a great surgeon or can instead do the bare minimum and be dragged to the finish line by their attendings. Have you operated with a graduated surgeon from all of the programs you've listed? There are programs on your "busy" list where attendings do the majority of cutting so your "pure cold numbers" are not so cut and dry
Not cutting enough gnathics and Case is for sure pushing the Woke narrative and I think people are pretty over it. I interviewed there awhile back and I felt that the desirability was really falling. Just my personal opinion. No shade on you or the training at case just some thoughts.
Won't argue with that! The program doesn't always make the surgeon as there needs to be a level of self sufficiency as well - but the cases themselves need to be present in the program for a resident to be fully exposed, and the teaching also needs to be there, so it definitely is more nuanced than numbers alone. I'd add to my original post too that - just because there IS VOLUME doesn't mean you'll always be better trained, but I'd stand by the idea that the numbers and the cases should be there at baseline for your best shot. Exposure / being dragged to the finish line through 20 bilateral TJRs is still better than none.
The new Program Director is an absolute travesty.........JK, Dr. Stone is a close friend and an absolute stud. Great program. IMO
I remember a lot about Rutgers from dental school. Waste of time if you are mainly in a point and pull clinic and barely have any FBI 3rds. Waste of time if their program doesn't let you do sedations as a non-cat. They would setup their "3rds" to be split with staff in the OR. So stupid.
Why I don’t see this program being listed as the busy/great programs in the forums ? Just trying to know more about this program
lol as a non-white in a southern program, there are probably more examples of people not getting in BECAUSE they are white as opposed to the contrary.
Not everyone is in the "forums".
