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[Philliab]

That being said, if the wolves are really trainers/people, then whoever lissa (potentially) connected with and could PM couldn't be a wolf, they would have to be a pokemon. Of course, if the wolves are pokemon too than none of that matters.

That's what I would love to know...

From my experience (as small as it was) as a wolf in 1 WW game, you didn't want to kill someone in your group unless they had a very important role, and someone else was more suspicious than you in that group. In this game, I can't imagine a wolf wanting to kill the other 1/2 of the pair in a group. It automatically makes that player look suspicious. Why not kill someone in a group with no wolves? So I really dont feel that FFM is any more suspicious than everyone else at this point.

 

[equineconstant]

That being said, if the wolves are really trainers/people, then whoever lissa (potentially) connected with and could PM couldn't be a wolf, they would have to be a pokemon. Of course, if the wolves are pokemon too than none of that matters.

QFT

If wolves are Pokemon, I would guess it would be by types (dark and ghost maybe), and there would have to be an even number because of the "two of every type" thing. Although maybe that wouldn't be true because the wolves wouldn't need to find pairs since they can already PM each other?

 

[DVMDream]

Just checking in, will catch up shortly, no information to add.

 

[Dandelion18]

That's what I would love to know...

From my experience (as small as it was) as a wolf in 1 WW game, you didn't want to kill someone in your group unless they had a very important role, and someone else was more suspicious than you in that group. In this game, I can't imagine a wolf wanting to kill the other 1/2 of the pair in a group. It automatically makes that player look suspicious. Why not kill someone in a group with no wolves? So I really dont feel that FFM is any more suspicious than everyone else at this point.

PFFFTTTT!!!! I seem to recall you not minding killing off groupmates...

I kid, I kid! 😀

 

[wildcatj]

Gut says Lynch Philliab. Truly gut though, so if anyone has better info I'm all ears.

 

[DVMDream]

Also it looks like wolves = trainers. But thats an educated guess based on conext clues. It may be more complex than that.

Why do you think this? I have no knowledge of Pokemon so I was wavering between either trainers or potentially "evil" Pokemon as being the wolves, so just curious what makes you think it is the trainers.

 

[DVMDream]

No solid information for this lynch, so just a slight feeling..

lynch zanydogz



Also, has anyone heard from krist?

 

[Philliab]

PFFFTTTT!!!! I seem to recall you not minding killing off groupmates...

I kid, I kid! 😀

And it would have been fine if someone else hadn't blown up the suspicious person in our group the same night. 😎😛

 

[Dandelion18]

And it would have been fine if someone else hadn't blown up the suspicious person in our group the same night. 😎😛

Yeah, that was great...

 

[Philliab]

Gut says Lynch Philliab. Truly gut though, so if anyone has better info I'm all ears.

Your gut is wrong.

 

[DocEspana]

I'm not following DocE's conclusion that the wolves are trainers. I can't decide if that's because his conclusion makes no sense, or if it's because I just don't know the pokemon universe.

My conclusion is based on info about the items that I haven't shared yet. Not sure if I will, but considering it. Sharing would involve me giving away potentially useful info (for wolves that is) so I night not reveal all the details...

But needless to say one item that supposedly exists involves trainers.

 

[Minnerbelle]

There are quite a few people who have yet to check in .... not sure if busy IRL... or silenced...

anyone can account for there whereabouts?

Minner, hedgie, FTB, sheeps, DVM, krist, Ser Dem, sheebai, WTF, SOV, nyanko, orca2011, dyachei, ksmi, WS, FH

I know SOV is busy studying for a test most of today that he has tomorrow, so that is most likely where he is at.... but the rest not sure....

busy irl. A few things came up after I signed up so i'll pretty much be dead weight for the foreseeable future. There's already been so many posts I really can't keep up. Feel free to lynch.

 

[Foxhunter]

But needless to say one item that supposedly exists involves trainers.

I can second this.

I have some ideas right now. Not ready for the main thread. Haven't caught up (literally having the worst day ever), but I'll try to do it when I get to work.

 

[equineconstant]

busy irl. A few things came up after I signed up so i'll pretty much be dead weight for the foreseeable future. There's already been so many posts I really can't keep up. Feel free to lynch.

Well in that case, lynch Minnerbelle.

 

[equineconstant]

busy irl. A few things came up after I signed up so i'll pretty much be dead weight for the foreseeable future. There's already been so many posts I really can't keep up. Feel free to lynch.

Well in that case, lynch Minnerbelle.

 

[wildcatj]

Well in that case, lynch Minnerbelle.

I've brought this up several times in previous games but...
Assuming Minner is a villager (which I'm thinking is pretty likely based on her being fine getting lynched), we are better off keeping her around then killing her off. At the end of the day it's a numbers game. Even if she doesn't participate much or at all, it's still to our benefit to keep her around.

 

[zanydogz]

No solid information for this lynch, so just a slight feeling..

lynch zanydogz



Also, has anyone heard from krist?

Checking in on my lunch break. Not a wolf, just a villager. No news on items to add either.

I'm probably leaning more toward the trainers being the wolves rather than evil pokemon. To me it just makes more sense.

I'll probably put my vote in soon...before I head to lab.

 

[Foxhunter]

Based on information I have to go off of- I'm almost certain that trainers are wolves. Though wouldn't be surprised if there were one or two (assuming two based on the pairs thing) good trainers (Ash and someone). I would assume those are important/powerful roles.

 

[DocEspana]

I've brought this up several times in previous games but...
Assuming Minner is a villager (which I'm thinking is pretty likely based on her being fine getting lynched), we are better off keeping her around then killing her off. At the end of the day it's a numbers game. Even if she doesn't participate much or at all, it's still to our benefit to keep her around.

That's not actually statistically correct. Whether you know it or not, killing the quiet ones is a (slightly) smart move statisticslly.

lynch wildcat for bad math. Feel free to not follow me. I just instictively punish those who give bad advice. Could be wccidental. Could be a wolf working the wolf odds. Probably the former.

 

[Dandelion18]

With nothing else to go on...re-lynch FFM.

 

[nohika]

Oh how I have missed this so.

 

[devyn]

not sure where to go with this right now so RNG it is...

lynch sheebai

 

[DVMDream]

That's not actually statistically correct. Whether you know it or not, killing the quiet ones is a (slightly) smart move statisticslly.

lynch wildcat for bad math. Feel free to not follow me. I just instictively punish those who give bad advice. Could be wccidental. Could be a wolf working the wolf odds. Probably the former.

I tend to agree with wildcat. I have played in very few (I think maybe 1) game where killing the quiet player has ended in killing a wolf... I hate it when people jump onto that bandwagon, drives me nuts because it usually does not work.

 

[LMMS]

Uug. Still no leads? I keep reading and can't find anything to go on except sketchy speculation that I just might be reading too far into. 😕😕😕

Somebody throw me a bone! I would rather not lynch based on RNG...

 

[DVMDream]

Uug. Still no leads? I keep reading and can't find anything to go on except sketchy speculation that I just might be reading too far into. 😕😕😕

Somebody throw me a bone! I would rather not lynch based on RNG...

 

[DocEspana]

I tend to agree with wildcat. I have played in very few (I think maybe 1) game where killing the quiet player has ended in killing a wolf... I hate it when people jump onto that bandwagon, drives me nuts because it usually does not work.

Anecdotes < actual stat analysis done in humans playing this game. I'd link you the evidence if I wasn't in a 7-7 shift. But it exists. By a small percent, low activity players are more likely to be wolves than random plaers in the population.

Adding an anecdotal spin to it at this point: inactive players can be active wolves doing active damage. Inactive players can never be active good roles (stress the active part) thus cobtributig nothing to the wolf hunt. Killing a low activity player, even if they have a great role is abecdotally a small loss.

Again. Stats of tbis game back killing the quiet ones actually being a good strategy. Just by a small margin over killing randomly.

 

[DVMDream]

Anecdotes < actual stat analysis done in humans playing this game. I'd link you the evidence if I wasn't in a 7-7 shift. But it exists. By a small percent, low activity players are more likely to be wolves than random plaers in the population.

Pre-vet is a rare breed... 🙂

Adding an anecdotal spin to it at this point: inactive players can be active wolves doing active damage. Inactive players can never be active good roles (stress the active part) thus cobtributig nothing to the wolf hunt. Killing a low activity player, even if they have a great role is abecdotally a small loss.

This I agree with, provided that they are really not using their role. Even a "low activity player" can pop on and send a PM with who they want to seer, find a wolf, and toss up a quick lynch on that person. Even if they aren't very "active" in the thread they can still be of huge benefit to the rest of the group. You don't have to spend a ton of time or necessarily be super active to be of benefit to the villagers.

 

[nohika]

I would love it if someone could do a lynch vote tally for me real quick - eating lunch before I run off to work.

Also, there's technically only like a half hour left for the first day...lynch, people, lynch!! Or I'll lynch for you, and you will not like it.

 

[Packen]

Anecdotes < actual stat analysis done in humans playing this game. I'd link you the evidence if I wasn't in a 7-7 shift. But it exists. By a small percent, low activity players are more likely to be wolves than random plaers in the population.

Adding an anecdotal spin to it at this point: inactive players can be active wolves doing active damage. Inactive players can never be active good roles (stress the active part) thus cobtributig nothing to the wolf hunt. Killing a low activity player, even if they have a great role is abecdotally a small loss.

Again. Stats of tbis game back killing the quiet ones actually being a good strategy. Just by a small margin over killing randomly.

Ok, just caught up, and I am getting really confused about this whole lynch or not lynch a quiet player.

Granted I don't have ANY statistical evidence, but I *feel* that on SDN, wolves try to maintain a run of the mill posting amount, unless they are TW or Abney. Under the radar is the name of the game. But completely MIA is suspicious, IMO and that would not be a very good way to play a wolf, right?

As for lynching minner, I have reservations. I do not believe she is a wolf - she would not come out and ask us to lynch her because she was busy IRL. So I have a really hard time voting for someone I believe is a villager. Although chances are with 30-something people in this game, our first lynch will be a villager.

 

[wildcatj]

Anecdotes < actual stat analysis done in humans playing this game. I'd link you the evidence if I wasn't in a 7-7 shift. But it exists. By a small percent, low activity players are more likely to be wolves than random plaers in the population.

Adding an anecdotal spin to it at this point: inactive players can be active wolves doing active damage. Inactive players can never be active good roles (stress the active part) thus cobtributig nothing to the wolf hunt. Killing a low activity player, even if they have a great role is abecdotally a small loss.

Again. Stats of tbis game back killing the quiet ones actually being a good strategy. Just by a small margin over killing randomly.

I'm not talking about her being a low activity player, I'm saying that it's unlikely that she is a wolf since she just asked to be lynched since she isn't going to be very available. My point is that assuming she is a villager, we are better off keeping her around just for the positive number for the villagers.

 

[shortnsweet]

RNG says lynch EC.

 

[Packen]

ok, 25 min. I am really torn on this and don't want to just RNG. I will go with lynch EC I know you explained why you asked nyanko what you did, but it is still odd to ask in the first place. At this point the small potential that it was a wolfy slip is better than nothing.

 

[LMMS]

DVMD - But it still leaves me with nothing but a blunt weapon. So, RNG it shall be...

Lynch Krist

SORRY! 🙁

 

[DVMDream]

I would love it if someone could do a lynch vote tally for me real quick - eating lunch before I run off to work.

I can try, might miss a few though so someone should definitely double-check.

 

[devyn]

Unofficial Vote Tally

ksmi--1 (FFM)
kaydubs--1 (swings)
foxhunter--1 (trematode)
FFM--1 (dandelion)
LMMS - 1 (hedgie)
Phil's Lab - 1 (wildcat)
zany - 1 (DVM)
Minner - 1 (EC)
wildcat - 1 (DocE)
sheebai - 1 (devyn)
EC - 2 (SnS, packen)
krist - 1 (LMMS)

 

[LetItSnow]

Anecdotes < actual stat analysis done in humans playing this game. I'd link you the evidence if I wasn't in a 7-7 shift.

Is that "actual stat analysis" done in online games or in-person games? If the latter, it's meaningless data for this medium.

That said, you're not following your own argument. There are people who haven't said a single thing this game, yet you're choosing to lynch someone who has posted, all the while insisting we're better off by a small margin (barring other evidence) to lynch the quiet peeps?

.... you're making no sense.

lynch DocE for not following his own advice.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

Well in that case, lynch Minnerbelle.

I've brought this up several times in previous games but...
Assuming Minner is a villager (which I'm thinking is pretty likely based on her being fine getting lynched), we are better off keeping her around then killing her off. At the end of the day it's a numbers game. Even if she doesn't participate much or at all, it's still to our benefit to keep her around.

wildcat speaks true
keeping villagers around helps you!

naughty ec
maybe you are wolfy?
lynch ec

 

[LMMS]

OK, this is what I see...

1 VOTE

Flim Flam Man
LMMS
Kaydubs
Foxhunter
Philliab
Zanydogz
Minnerbelle
Wildcat
Sheebai
Krist

2 VOTES

EC

And that's all I see at this time.

 

[nohika]

ksmi--1 (FFM)
kaydubs--1 (swings)
foxhunter--1 (trematode)
FFM--1 (dandelion)
LMMS - 1 (hedgie)
Phil's Lab - 1 (wildcat)
zany - 1 (DVM)
Minner - 2 (EC, EC)
wildcat - 1 (DocE)
sheebai - 1 (devyn)
EC - 3 (SnS, packen, WTF)
krist - 1 (LMMS)
DocE - 2 (LIS, X)

Official count here.

 

[Dandelion18]

Here's my count. Feel free to doublecheck it!

ksmi 1--FFM
kaydubs 1--swingnsave
foxhunter 1--trematode
LMMS 1--hedgiehog
philliab 1--wildcatj
zanydogz 1--DVMDream
Minnerbelle 1--EC
wildcatj 1--DocE
FFM 1--dandi
sheebal 1--devyn
Krist 1--LMMS
EC 2--ShortnSweet, Packen

 

[DVMDream]

Unofficial Vote Tally

ksmi--1 (FFM)
kaydubs--1 (swings)
foxhunter--1 (trematode)
FFM--1 (dandelion)
LMMS - 1 (hedgie)
Phil's Lab - 1 (wildcat)
zany - 1 (DVM)
Minner - 1 (EC)
wildcat - 1 (DocE)
sheebai - 1 (devyn)
EC - 2 (SnS, packen)
krist - 1 (LMMS)

Thanks, now I don't have to do it!! 🙂

 

[Dandelion18]

Here's my count. Feel free to doublecheck it!

ksmi 1--FFM
kaydubs 1--swingnsave
foxhunter 1--trematode
LMMS 1--hedgiehog
philliab 1--wildcatj
zanydogz 1--DVMDream
Minnerbelle 1--EC
wildcatj 1--DocE
FFM 1--dandi
sheebal 1--devyn
Krist 1--LMMS
EC 2--ShortnSweet, Packen

Oops! Too late. 😀

 

[shortnsweet]

ksmi--1 (FFM)
kaydubs--1 (swings)
foxhunter--1 (trematode)
FFM--1 (dandelion)
LMMS - 1 (hedgie)
Phil's Lab - 1 (wildcat)
zany - 1 (DVM)
Minner - 2 (EC, EC)
wildcat - 1 (DocE)
sheebai - 1 (devyn)
EC - 3 (SnS, packen, WTF)
krist - 1 (LMMS)
DocE - 2 (LIS, X)

Official count here.

Did EC vote 2x for Minner?

 

[devyn]

ksmi--1 (FFM)
kaydubs--1 (swings)
foxhunter--1 (trematode)
FFM--1 (dandelion)
LMMS - 1 (hedgie)
Phil's Lab - 1 (wildcat)
zany - 1 (DVM)
Minner - 2 (EC, EC)
wildcat - 1 (DocE)
sheebai - 1 (devyn)
EC - 3 (SnS, packen, WTF)
krist - 1 (LMMS)
DocE - 2 (LIS, X)

Official count here.

who is X? and how can EC vote twice????? 😕

 

[nohika]

All I'm going to say is that it's the correct count. 🙂

 

[DocEspana]

Its cause I'm too busy on shift to measure who is not posting. I'm absoltely being inconsistent. I can't lie. But its laziness, not wolfiness. I just vote to discourage bad advice from taking root. evidence-based WW.

The data is from forum based games of ww. So relevant.

My anecdote indeed does just apply to truly inactive players. But that's me editorializing a stat. The stat remains its more likely to be wolf than random person.

Also please unlynch EC. If my request doesnt make it obvious, we talk. I'd like to keep it that way.

 

[DocEspana]

Its TM mimic. The double votes.

 

[Dandelion18]

Its cause I'm too busy on shift to measure who is not posting. I'm absoltely being inconsistent. I can't lie. But its laziness, not wolfiness. I just vote to discourage bad advice from taking root. evidence-based WW.

The data is from forum based games of ww. So relevant.

My anecdote indeed does just apply to truly inactive players. But that's me editorializing a stat. The stat remains its more likely to be wolf than random person.

Also please unlynch EC. If my request doesnt make it obvious, we talk. I'd like to keep it that way.

If EC and Doc E can really talk, then we have a problem if we lynch EC! I thought we've determined that the wolves are probably not pokemon and that the people who can talk to each other have the some connection through their pokemon role. Running out of time before we potentially lynch a villager...

 

[Foxhunter]

going gut here. lynch wildcatj