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[nyanko]

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Because you doubt his ability to think of something so obvious?

Or she wanted to see what he would actually say, which alternative he would choose, and how he said it???

 

[Trilt]

Because you doubt his ability to think of something so obvious?

I just generally try not to hand people explanations for their sketch behaviour yanno.

 

[Trilt]

See:

Needs more explanation from source for sure.

Lol.

 

[genny]

Hopefully nothing bad... I received an item that doesn't tell me what it does.

If it's a wheelchair, I took a ride last night. Still no idea what it does. I vaguely remember a previous game with something like that item, but I don't remember what it did then and can't go searching while at work. Anyone else have a clue?

 

[Trilt]

If it's a wheelchair, I took a ride last night. Still no idea what it does. I vaguely remember a previous game with something like that item, but I don't remember what it did then and can't go searching while at work. Anyone else have a clue?

Was in Asylum but may have been reference to previous game considering mods. Pretty sure protective then.

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

Was in Asylum but may have been reference to previous game considering mods. Pretty sure protective then.

every time there is a moving item, I just think of the car.

 

[cdo96]

I seered pippy night one because they were the only person I was in contact with. I can seer ability OR role, not both. I hate that I feel this much responsibility for a stupid game right now. Mods, can you just close and let me leave in peace, there's no flipping this lynch and I don't want my WW problem to be interfering with my real life right now. I didn't expect this to happen, and I'm sorry to let you guys down.

I swear to god I'm a villager seer guys. That's all I've got.

Claimed to have seered me; the result matches up.

Can at least partially corroborate this statement based on our PM.

He's not a good lynch, if he's telling the truth.

EDIT: ninja'd by MJ; am on my phone so am slower than usual.

Nope, don't lynch MJ. Pick anyone except him.

But I appreciate this lemming gif a whole lot, A for effort on the gif front 😉

I would really appreciate it if people -- yes, this includes you MJ -- would back off my PM partner who is claiming a power role that can be at least partially verified.

But I'm sure he'll get lynched anyways, because all the damn noobs up in here can't see a bad lynch target even when it's hitting them in the face.

I'm not a seer, I didn't look into anyone

Yeah I wasn't sure about the MJ lynch until I remembered this back and forth.

Lynch MJ

 

[Mad Jack]

Yes these are all possibilities and good on you for giving them to him to defend with if he wants, lol, instead of letting him talk.

Well, I am the village seer and I was obviously trying to bring my priority on the kill list down, which would be plain as day to anyone that has any modicum of strategic ability, and didn't defend myself by saying such because it would negate the entire strategy of denying my ability to seer in the first place.

But now that I've got to be all out with it, I seered DocE last night, and he has lynch avoidance. Kcough has no ability. Pippy had no ability at the time I seered her, which fits with what the mods clearly said her ability was at the time I seered her. I haven't bothered role seering anyone because roles don't really reveal much but abilities at least give us something to work with so far as strategy is concerned.

Pippy was clearly defending me because she was trying to earn my trust and throwing the viage seer under the bus would be extremely sketchy, while saving them would buy mad villager cred. Plus I'd already seered her, and trusted her because she came off as legit enough and was vanilla, which I'd never see a chaos or non-convert wolf being even in a game like this.

Good job bussing me as your seer, yet again. Every time I roll seer I get forced to out by the village, try to be subtle, subtle is taken as sketchy because people are poor strategists, so I just reveal everything, and then get either lynched anyways or wolf killed. Every damn time.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

trh has only made 2 posts so far. soybean has only joined bandwagons. t4h has barely contributed anything contentwise to the game. would like to hear thought from these guys today.

 

[nohika]

Yeah I'm not comfortable with the MJ lynch. a) if he is a wolf seer, working with pippy like that is a dumb-arse move, and b) saying he's lying is dumb-arse move #2.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Well, I am the village seer and I was obviously trying to bring my priority on the kill list down, which would be plain as day to anyone that has any modicum of strategic ability, and didn't defend myself by saying such because it would negate the entire strategy of denying my ability to seer in the first place.

But now that I've got to be all out with it, I seered DocE last night, and he has lynch avoidance. Kcough has no ability. Pippy had no ability at the time I seered her, which fits with what the mods clearly said her ability was at the time I seered her. I haven't bothered role seering anyone because roles don't really reveal much but abilities at least give us something to work with so far as strategy is concerned.

Pippy was clearly defending me because she was trying to earn my trust and throwing the viage seer under the bus would be extremely sketchy, while saving them would buy mad villager cred. Plus I'd already seered her, and trusted her because she came off as legit enough and was vanilla, which I'd never see a chaos or non-convert wolf being even in a game like this.

Good job bussing me as your seer, yet again. Every time I roll seer I get forced to out by the village, try to be subtle, subtle is taken as sketchy because people are poor strategists, so I just reveal everything, and then get either lynched anyways or wolf killed. Every damn time.

I wish you would've seered Kam instead, but that's interesting that DocE's the one with lynch avoidance...

 

[Animal Midwife]

Yeah I'm not comfortable with the MJ lynch. a) if he is a wolf seer, working with pippy like that is a dumb-arse move, and b) saying he's lying is dumb-arse move #2.

Why would working with Pippy be a dumb move? Wolves don't know who chaos players are.

 

[Mad Jack]

Yeah I'm not comfortable with the MJ lynch. a) if he is a wolf seer, working with pippy like that is a dumb-arse move, and b) saying he's lying is dumb-arse move #2.

I said I was lying about being a seer so the wolves would hopefully pull me off the target list, a strategy that only works so long as the village is smart enough to realize what is going on and the wolves are dumb enough to miss it. It's a long shot strategy, but it's enough to buy a couple of nights sometimes.

 

[Mad Jack]

I wish you would've seered Kam instead, but that's interesting that DocE's the one with lynch avoidance...

My ability doesn't seem to give me specifics- like, it told me Pippy was vanilla, but not that she'd eventually gain more powers, and it told me DocE has lynch avoidance but not how many times and under what circumstances. I doubt seering Kam would yield anything useful, but I could try it tonight.

 

[Trilt]

Explain your seering targets and reasoning.

You are an outed seer and it makes ZERO sense for the wolves - who, if you aren't one, know it - to go oh yeah obvs he was just kidding no point in killing there. That's assuming absurd idiocy on the scum behalf.

 

[Coopah]

STL said to not put any stock in roles or abilities and to go based off analytics (I'm paraphrasing here) so I'm guessing basically everyone is sketch ball from ability and/or role so we can't rely on that to clear people. As far as I'm concerned, even if MJ is village, it's not much use other than identifying power roles... which would be more useful for the wolves.

 

[Trilt]

Just like not seering Kam that night was idiocy. If you weren't outed, sure, I don't seer a target like that because I'm not gonna out myself to defend if village and they are gonna get lynched again as scum anyway. But everyone is not gonna just magically forget you claimed seer nor let you just rest on coat tails of the claim that is in no way a slam bang village role.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

am jumped quickly on that mj lynch to push him to role reveal. also don't like her position on the kam lynch yesterday and her D1 vote for haxx was for a dumb reason and she never switched which seems unusual for her.

lynch am

 

[nohika]

Trilt's raising major red flags for me.

Also, depending on the experience level of the wolves, they might skip MJ for a few nights and assume whoever the protector is is protecting MJ. That's what I would do as a wolf. Especially in this type of game.

 

[DVMDream]

I'm going to lynch DocE again because of his post about not caring about mayor vote. He always cares about that and tries to push people into mayordom that don't want it. So it was a very off comment by him.

 

[Animal Midwife]

am jumped quickly on that mj lynch to push him to role reveal. also don't like her position on the kam lynch yesterday and her D1 vote for haxx was for a dumb reason and she never switched which seems unusual for her.

lynch am

When did I push for MJ to role reveal? What was wrong with my position? And it's bad on Day 1 that I didn't switch to a leading candidate that I had no feels for?

 

[dpmd]

Trilt's raising major red flags for me.

Also, depending on the experience level of the wolves, they might skip MJ for a few nights and assume whoever the protector is is protecting MJ. That's what I would do as a wolf. Especially in this type of game.

Yeah, I am trying to decide if trilt just has a role that is supposed to post like an aggressive jackass or they are doing it all on their own.

 

[Kam325]

I would be okay with holding one day on MJ...if he's wolf seer (or if we have multiple village seers), villager seer can check him overnight and speak up tomorrow if he comes back red. If he's the only village seer or if he checks out as village, we don't hear anything and don't needlessly lynch him.

##Unlynch MJ##

 

[nyanko]

What's the actual value in having a seer if abilities or role names mean nothing as far as affiliation anyway?

 

[Trilt]

Let's consider my game role's ability as protector and the fact that I don't think I've ever actually been a protector and put some pieces together about whether I'm being myself.

I would be okay with holding one day on MJ...if he's wolf seer (or if we have multiple village seers), villager seer can check him overnight and speak up tomorrow if he comes back red. If he's the only village seer or if he checks out as village, we don't hear anything and don't needlessly lynch him.

##Unlynch MJ##

No. This is an STL game. You dont. trust. affiliation seering.

 

[Ceke2002]

Lynch MJ

Too much just doesn't add up.

Sorry I'll probably be away from the remainder of today's lynch cycle as well. Lack of sleep, general unwellness, and tomorrow I'll be helping hubby to tackle a bathroom paint renovation (complete with funky looking protective suits, and respirators, because lead paint - ugh, I have a feeling this is going to take us ages!). I'll try and get on before lynch end if I can, no promises though.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

So despite the role of MJ coming up as chaos people still are agreeing with STL saying roles will have nothing to do with affiliation? I don't believe that RNG for 1 second. I can also 100% see Pip going along with the role claim for sh*ts and giggles, though the more careful approach for early game would have been to not obviously put in an unverifiable vouch.
(At work. Slow day on reception so after this appointment is done I will begin my note taking adventure and game thoughts)

 

[Skimble]

I'm willing to give MJ some time to either get wolf killed or maybe looked into. If he doesn't die in a few days, we should definitely revisit him. Trilt was giving me feels yesterday and looks like others are feeling it today too, so I feel ok sticking with that lynch.

Lynch trilt

 

[Mad Jack]

Explain your seering targets and reasoning.

You are an outed seer and it makes ZERO sense for the wolves - who, if you aren't one, know it - to go oh yeah obvs he was just kidding no point in killing there. That's assuming absurd idiocy on the scum behalf.

I targeted people I could talk to in my group followed by DocE because he was giving me the feels. As to your second point, do I have to spell things out for you even more? It should be obvious that my point is to create a sense of doubt in the wolves so that there's a chance, however small, that they pick another target, because some chance is better than no chance. Normally I'd have implied I've got a blocker protecting me, but now that I've been forced to make it painfully obvious that I have no cards and I'm just trying to create doubt, that wouldn't work, and I'm basically a sitting duck. You shouldn't railroad other villagers like this Trilt, it destroys any chance they have of keeping a strategy from the wolves.

 

[Mad Jack]

Lynch MJ

Too much just doesn't add up.

Sorry I'll probably be away from the remainder of today's lynch cycle as well. Lack of sleep, general unwellness, and tomorrow I'll be helping hubby to tackle a bathroom paint renovation (complete with funky looking protective suits, and respirators, because lead paint - ugh, I have a feeling this is going to take us ages!). I'll try and get on before lynch end if I can, no promises though.

What doesn't add up? This is basic strategy. Like, WW 101 stuff in the party game. This isn't rocket science.

 

[KCgophervet]

Ugh. I feel MJ is a bad lynch. If nothing else, since our protector died he's probably #1 woof target now anyway. I'll be on later to give reads on things, out fishing on the lake atm

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[Skimble]

Let's consider my game role's ability as protector and the fact that I don't think I've ever actually been a protector and put some pieces together about whether I'm being myself.

I think the fact that your role came up as a protector has more to do with who you are as a person and nothing to do with roles you've had in the past. You are super protective of certain people in games.

So despite the role of MJ coming up as chaos people still are agreeing with STL saying roles will have nothing to do with affiliation? I don't believe that RNG for 1 second. I can also 100% see Pip going along with the role claim for sh*ts and giggles, though the more careful approach for early game would have been to not obviously put in an unverifiable vouch.
(At work. Slow day on reception so after this appointment is done I will begin my note taking adventure and game thoughts)

I agree. I think there are SOME roles that are more inherently wolf and village leaning. Like if WZ isn't a wolf, I'll be sad.

 

[Trilt]

I targeted people I could talk to in my group followed by DocE because he was giving me the feels. As to your second point, do I have to spell things out for you even more? It should be obvious that my point is to create a sense of doubt in the wolves so that there's a chance, however small, that they pick another target, because some chance is better than no chance. Normally I'd have implied I've got a blocker protecting me, but now that I've been forced to make it painfully obvious that I have no cards and I'm just trying to create doubt, that wouldn't work, and I'm basically a sitting duck. You shouldn't railroad other villagers like this Trilt, it destroys any chance they have of keeping a strategy from the wolves.

Play better and I won't be suspicious of you. If you're village, sorry, I definitely get villagers lynched all the time... but I get a hell of a lot of wolves dead too. And your story is weird.

Plus side is that pip's ability implied multiple rezzes, so if you're actually village, hey, you'll back sooner than later i imagine.

 

[ddstothecor]

Play better and I won't be suspicious of you. If you're village, sorry, I definitely get villagers lynched all the time... but I get a hell of a lot of wolves dead too. And your story is weird.

Plus side is that pip's ability implied multiple rezzes, so if you're actually village, hey, you'll back sooner than later i imagine.

It would appear that breaking eggs is just a shell game to you. Your appalling indifference and lack of conscience in the name of wolf hunting is too animal-like. Nature is cruel and twisted making hunger and thirst a literal struggle for life and death. Yet, here you are not concerned at all with moving on from an alleged seer without worry for fleshing out ability based on. . . wait for it . . . visions. I believe MJ's skill could easily be verifiable, but your flippant suggestion at reincarnation is a do or die proposition. Whose risk is greater? Who reaps the reward?

 

[nohika]

It would appear that breaking eggs is just a shell game to you. Your appalling indifference and lack of conscience in the name of wolf hunting is too animal-like. Nature is cruel and twisted making hunger and thirst a literal struggle for life and death. Yet, here you are not concerned at all with moving on from an alleged seer without worry for fleshing out ability based on. . . wait for it . . . visions. I believe MJ's skill could easily be verifiable, but your flippant suggestion at reincarnation is a do or die proposition. Whose risk is greater? Who reaps the reward?

I bet you're Shakespeare.

 

[genny]

Lynch TRH

I am willing to give MJ a little more time, not interested in lynching him today. And I don't see Trilt as wolfy yet, she is still coming across as pretty village.

I'd rather go for players who seem to be trying to stay under the radar at this point.

 

[that redhead]

Lynch TRH

I am willing to give MJ a little more time, not interested in lynching him today. And I don't see Trilt as wolfy yet, she is still coming across as pretty village.

I'd rather go for players who seem to be trying to stay under the radar at this point.

This is both my own personal play style as well as that of my role.

I think it's worth giving MJ more time, too, because if he really is our seer, we're only helping the wolves by lynching him. I feel like Trilt is going pretty hard at him but if her role is who I'd guess her to be, it makes sense. I'm going to head back to my gut reaction and lynch nohika; I haven't seen many rezzes come back as helpful to the village.

 

[ddstothecor]

Lynch TRH

I am willing to give MJ a little more time, not interested in lynching him today. And I don't see Trilt as wolfy yet, she is still coming across as pretty village.

I'd rather go for players who seem to be trying to stay under the radar at this point.

I am in agreement that a player can be oh-so-wrong, in the name of ignorance and inexperience. The problem is that coming across so abrasively makes it burn oh-so-bad. I've seen this play itself out in any number of werewolf games I've been apart of or helped invent (ethereally through my vastness). The temptation to mete out consequences in the face of poor logic and twisted thinking is often severe and swift. I, too, was even drawn to cast a judgment in the direction of Trilt leading to her demise. I won't. I can't. Not now, anyway:

Lynch coopah (poopah).

 

[nohika]

This is both my own personal play style as well as that of my role.

I think it's worth giving MJ more time, too, because if he really is our seer, we're only helping the wolves by lynching him. I feel like Trilt is going pretty hard at him but if her role is who I'd guess her to be, it makes sense. I'm going to head back to my gut reaction and lynch nohika; I haven't seen many rezzes come back as helpful to the village.

The last game I was rezzed in I was a villager, and got lynched because my rez was suspicious (and was still a villager).

On the bright side, claps to you for being the first one to call me sketchy!! I've been waiting for that.

 

[that redhead]

The last game I was rezzed in I was a villager, and got lynched because my rez was suspicious (and was still a villager).

On the bright side, claps to you for being the first one to call me sketchy!! I've been waiting for that.

Sure, it happens. Just like lynch avoidance can be (and has been) a villager ability. I've been a villager with a sketchy-sounding ability in the past- it sucks because it's tough to defend yourself against the hive-mind. But I don't want to lynch MJ or Trilt right now and I haven't got much in the way of thoughts on anyone else but you at the moment.

 

[Mad Jack]

Play better and I won't be suspicious of you. If you're village, sorry, I definitely get villagers lynched all the time... but I get a hell of a lot of wolves dead too. And your story is weird.

Plus side is that pip's ability implied multiple rezzes, so if you're actually village, hey, you'll back sooner than later i imagine.

I play just fine. You play without any subtlety, which isn't really how this game is played anywhere else I've done it. You don't scream what you're doing in-thread or to the group because it increases the wolves' information advantage, and if you're a villager you don't push someone that has a good chance of being a villager because it can toss them into the wolves' crosshairs. It's bad play, plain and simple.

 

[cdo96]

I haven't seen many rezzes come back as helpful to the village.

I disagree. I've only seen rezzes help village. I know I haven't played too many games ( 6 months or so) but I've never seen it hurt village.

 

[that redhead]

I disagree. I've only seen rezzes help village. I know I haven't played too many games ( 6 months or so) but I've never seen it hurt village.

I think we can all chime in and share our experiences, but there have been many games where rezzed players are either wolfy or chaos. I don't know the exact numbers of course, but it's enough for me to consider the lynch. Happy to consider other options but as I said, not feeling the MJ or Trilt lynch right now.

 

[Kam325]

Nokia redirecting me to someone in her PM group to check out my night action (when people were worried I was a wolf) reads decently village to me.

 

[nohika]

Nokia redirecting me to someone in her PM group to check out my night action (when people were worried I was a wolf) reads decently village to me.

Thank you. 😀

 

[that redhead]

Nokia redirecting me to someone in her PM group to check out my night action (when people were worried I was a wolf) reads decently village to me.

Fair enough.
unlynch nohika

 

[Animal Midwife]

I disagree. I've only seen rezzes help village. I know I haven't played too many games ( 6 months or so) but I've never seen it hurt village.

Rezzes have hurt the village before, but it's says more about the rezzer than the rezzed. I agree though and don't think nohika should be lynched on that principle alone.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

I disagree. I've only seen rezzes help village. I know I haven't played too many games ( 6 months or so) but I've never seen it hurt village.

Minecraft: rez came back as wolf.

 

[DVMDream]

Used to be that the majority of rezzes came back as village. Now that has changed some. But I'd probably not lynch someone only because they were rezzed....seems a bit like a scapegoat to me instead of actually looking for original wolves.

 

[DocEspana]

I wish you would've seered Kam instead, but that's interesting that DocE's the one with lynch avoidance...

And people wonder why i was the first one on kams lynch. Because:

(Villager with my power. And im already it)

I'm going to lynch DocE again because of his post about not caring about mayor vote. He always cares about that and tries to push people into mayordom that don't want it. So it was a very off comment by him.

Its so wonderful that you always think of me at times like this! I feel so honored! I would like to stress to you that the mod openly taunted us for trying to run for mayor and i referenced how it sounded so very similar to a mayor election that you dont want to win. I like power, i dont like booby traps.

Still not sure who to vote for just because MJ seems like he could be a wolf seer snd normally id say "oh my god im sure any actual seer has checked him by now" but... no... youre all silly heads who probably havent gotten around to it yet! So funny of you! But im sure you will soon enough! Or the wolves will. But, honestly, i do think his unreliability of his power seems a tiny bit off. Maybe we should just go there.

Anyway, i have another person who needs to go, but since we have lots of time to debare this... im going back to sleep to think about whats best to do next!