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vetmedhead said:
I know that kaydubs likes to put in supremely sketchy villager abilities into her games. I remember one of the first games I ever played in was a kaydubs game and I was a villager who couldn't be night killed. It was sketchy as hell and I got lynched for it. I think she does it to encourage more discussion about a player up for lynch than just "that ability is ALWAYS wolfy".
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Gosh, I didn't realize I was such a sketchy mod...:thinking: It really isn't my intent.
 
WildZoo said:
I could make it a tie right now by switching to cheez. Then someone else can flip to his vote, make it a 3 way. Go big or go home, right?
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How about if we tie it up on everybody except one person.

Just roll the dice that the final standing player is a villager.

I mean, it'd be an epic finish one way or the other.
 
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WildZoo said:
Hey @Melchizedek is there a reason why you dropped the whole extra kill attempt that didn't go through thing? I was just reminded of it while reading through meats' posts. Did you figure out why it didn't go through?
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I haven’t dropped it, still kicking around a theory in my head but I need another night phase to occur to see if it’s actually a viable theory.

I know I railed hard against Snowy at the beginning of the day cycle, and I see why the votes are going that way, but if you’re on that wagon solely based on ability thief being a wolfish ability, the three times I have seen this ability (Age of the Gods, Little Mermaid, and Bar WW) it has been village all three times, so this is a poor reason to bandwagon this vote. If you have other reasons to be on there I’d love to hear them.
 
Forgot to add this before posting

@Jilary when you get back to the game, in order to avoid a mass reads post as an attempt for village cred, I would specifically like your thoughts on VMH, AM, and SP.
 
Melchizedek said:
I haven’t dropped it, still kicking around a theory in my head but I need another night phase to occur to see if it’s actually a viable theory.

I know I railed hard against Snowy at the beginning of the day cycle, and I see why the votes are going that way, but if you’re on that wagon solely based on ability thief being a wolfish ability, the three times I have seen this ability (Age of the Gods, Little Mermaid, and Bar WW) it has been village all three times, so this is a poor reason to bandwagon this vote. If you have other reasons to be on there I’d love to hear them.
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I am voting for her for the reasons I stated yesterday, which had nothing to do with her ability. She was totally up my *** yesterday for what I feel are weak reasons that are stretching at best and I just feel like she was trying really hard (like a little too hard) to have legitimate reasons to lynch me. I know when I wolf and I have the behind the scenes knowledge of who is village vs. wolf, it's extremely hard for me to lie about thinking people are sketchy and I think Snowy was either grasping at straws to make me sound sketchy or it was just bad villager tunneling. She's not voting for me anymore so..meh..but I'm not willing to just forget about my feels from yesterday and her ability reveal does not make me feel any better.
 
Melchizedek said:
I haven’t dropped it, still kicking around a theory in my head but I need another night phase to occur to see if it’s actually a viable theory.

I know I railed hard against Snowy at the beginning of the day cycle, and I see why the votes are going that way, but if you’re on that wagon solely based on ability thief being a wolfish ability, the three times I have seen this ability (Age of the Gods, Little Mermaid, and Bar WW) it has been village all three times, so this is a poor reason to bandwagon this vote. If you have other reasons to be on there I’d love to hear them.
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Oh I'm not on it for the ability. I thought there were sketchy things going on there long before I knew her ability. I don't like that she waited until after she would already have been lynched to defend yesterday either.

I'm also a little petty and vindictive and haven't gotten over the position her actions have put me in yet. But I just woke up from a nap and am ISOing some folks so I may decide to be more reasonable. No promises though, considering my vote is also in self preservation territory right now.

In any case the fact that her ability is what it is makes me more inclined to put her lynch before others I may have suspicions of, because it is not one I would want hanging around if she is a wolf.

And if we really want to get into it, I'm sure in the grand scheme of things 3 times that an ability thief was a villager does not actually surpass the number of times it has been wolf. But I really think these "wolfy ability" arguments are kinda useless. There are very few abilities that can't go (or haven't gone) either way. Not that I'm biased or anything.

And it's at this point that I will point out that from a balance perspective, it makes sense for a villager to exist who could avoid a night kill in a game where there are options for extra kills (unless the extra kill you know about was by some abnormal mechanism).
 
WildZoo said:
And it's at this point that I will point out that from a balance perspective, it makes sense for a villager to exist who could avoid a night kill in a game where there are options for extra kills (unless the extra kill you know about was by some abnormal mechanism).
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Wellll you are also omitting something here. It would also probably make sense from a balance perspective to have a WOLF with a kill avoidance in certain set ups. Like, a village assassin with multiple shots. Or a chaos with a kill ability. Or a lone wolf.

Now, I would certainly hope that a village assassin wouldn't be taking someone out as early in the game as Mel was claiming there was an extra kill attempt, but I guess there is always a chance someone wasn't using that role very effectively.

Basically I think that argument is a little weak because there are multiple ways that could be balanced out on either side.
 
PippyPony said:
Wellll you are also omitting something here. It would also probably make sense from a balance perspective to have a WOLF with a kill avoidance in certain set ups. Like, a village assassin with multiple shots. Or a chaos with a kill ability. Or a lone wolf.

Now, I would certainly hope that a village assassin wouldn't be taking someone out as early in the game as Mel was claiming there was an extra kill attempt, but I guess there is always a chance someone wasn't using that role very effectively.

Basically I think that argument is a little weak because there are multiple ways that could be balanced out on either side.
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I didn't say it was the strongest argument. Just something to consider on top of everything else. I phrased "abnormal mechanism" poorly - what i meant was something besides an additional wolf kill, like an assassin or lone wolf or whatever.
 
Though I think in general in a game where extra sources of kills exist, it makes sense to balance that, yes, on both sides if those kills could target wolves. So I don't think there being an assassin or something like that would negate the idea that a one-time invincible villager would provide a little balance, it just means there might be a wolfy version too. I just happen to know that I'm the villager side of the coin 😉
 
WildZoo said:
I didn't say it was the strongest argument. Just something to consider on top of everything else. I phrased "abnormal mechanism" poorly - what i meant was something besides an additional wolf kill, like an assassin or lone wolf or whatever.
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Yeah. I guess I just feel like you can't really have your cake and eat it too -- either you don't want to speculate/argue about whether an ability is village or wolf, or you do. Whether you're using "historical" affiliation or game balance, they're both kind of moot points imo because it can swing both ways.
 
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PippyPony said:
Yeah. I guess I just feel like you can't really have your cake and eat it too -- either you don't want to speculate/argue about whether an ability is village or wolf, or you do. Whether you're using "historical" affiliation or game balance, they're both kind of moot points imo because it can swing both ways.
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I mean, I don't really want to. I think looking at the balance of the game is more useful than just "well this ability is wolfy", but I still don't like to defend based on role or ability. Unfortunately that's part of the argument that's been given for my lynch so I can't really just ignore it.
 
PippyPony said:
Wellll you are also omitting something here. It would also probably make sense from a balance perspective to have a WOLF with a kill avoidance in certain set ups. Like, a village assassin with multiple shots. Or a chaos with a kill ability. Or a lone wolf.

Now, I would certainly hope that a village assassin wouldn't be taking someone out as early in the game as Mel was claiming there was an extra kill attempt, but I guess there is always a chance someone wasn't using that role very effectively.

Basically I think that argument is a little weak because there are multiple ways that could be balanced out on either side.
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Kill avoidance is meh, it can go either way. In a game this small, I can't see a wolf having a specific night kill avoidance, but perhaps a kill/lynch avoidance that works for either once. Bigger games, I'd buy it, but not this game.
 
Mad Jack said:
Kill avoidance is meh, it can go either way. In a game this small, I can't see a wolf having a specific night kill avoidance, but perhaps a kill/lynch avoidance that works for either once. Bigger games, I'd buy it, but not this game.
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Well, that was my ability :laugh:
 
Lynch Dubz

While I wait for Jil’s Contributions and other reasons.

In other news, I’ve officially snapped. I’ve tried not to complain, but been dealing with mounting bull**** this week and something just happened to top it all off. I’m taking leave of my senses and shutting my brain down to avoid an aneurysm.
 
Just got to my stop, now partway done page 18. Posting my quotes now so they don’t get lost.

WildZoo said:
Night was skipped. Pay attention pip!
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I actually had no idea wtf was going on either. I had to pm the mod and asked. It’s possible I missed a page somewhere.
WildZoo said:
I don't think I need to go back through the history of WW games to point out that death avoidance is fairly frequently a village ability, and one for which said villager almost always gets lynched because "it's a wolfy ability."

But hey, I needed a reason not to pay attention in class today.
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I have been lynched as a villager with said ability. I was so angry about it too.
 
Oh, also wanted to put out there that I’m still super sketched by Mel. Has anyone pointed out that he’s claiming there were 2 kill attempts, but britz’s ability was a second kill if she successfully killed a certain person, right? Not denying there could be another mechanism for 2 kills, but just putting that out there as something I noticed.

Lynch mel

I’ll catch up more after I get home and eat.
 
Skimble said:
Oh, also wanted to put out there that I’m still super sketched by Mel. Has anyone pointed out that he’s claiming there were 2 kill attempts, but britz’s ability was a second kill if she successfully killed a certain person, right? Not denying there could be another mechanism for 2 kills, but just putting that out there as something I noticed.

Lynch mel

I’ll catch up more after I get home and eat.
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I'm confused by this logic. britz is lynched.
 
I promise I'm going to get my reads out but my internet is being garbage and doing it from my phone is no bueno.

Quick and dirty from most to least wolfy from what I've got so far is

Snowy
Cyndia
Jil
LIS
Meats
FS
MJ
Mel
AM
Pip
Sporty
Allie
genny
Dubz. For completeness 😉
 
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genny said:
I don’t think the reward that Britzen got for killing that second person was ever mentioned.
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I thought what Jil was getting at was that it would be a second kill by definition, because if she found him she could kill him. Of course that would be a one time success, but I've seen roles before where they attempt to kill people until they find the right target.

But...hmm. if it wasn't mentioned that it would be an additional kill and not just a reward for killing that role with the regular wolf kill, looks like maybe Jil accidentally let slip that she knows more than she should.
 
WildZoo said:
I thought what Jil was getting at was that it would be a second kill by definition, because if she found him she could kill him. Of course that would be a one time success, but I've seen roles before where they attempt to kill people until they find the right target.

But...hmm. if it wasn't mentioned that it would be an additional kill and not just a reward for killing that role with the regular wolf kill, looks like maybe Jil accidentally let slip that she knows more than she should.
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This because

“Her primary goal was to seek out Liu Kang. If she had succeeded in killing him, she could've gotten something extra. Alas.”
(Copy pasting the mod post that was on thread vs actually quoting because I don’t want to accidentally piss off Kaydubs. If you don’t think this is the actual wording feel free to double check me.)
Gives us no indication it would have been a double kill. It could have been simply Britz submits names and gets a yes or no from the mod. Also if one wolf has that ability/goal to seek people from their franchise what makes you think others wouldn’t?
Also nice try but my info on the double kill is rock solid. (And before you ask Genny no I’m not saying how I know)
 
WildZoo said:
I promise I'm going to get my reads out but my internet is being garbage and doing it from my phone is no bueno.

Quick and dirty from most to least wolfy from what I've got so far is

Snowy
Cyndia
Jil
LIS
Meats
FS
MJ
Mel
AM
Pip
Sporty
Allie
genny
Dubz. For completeness 😉
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Once again ...

... I can provide highly compelling evidence that I am not a wolf. (Well, an original wolf.)

Unless you want to argue that I'm a convert, you shouldn't be putting me so highly. Granted, I haven't provided it yet, and I won't unless people decide I should be lynched, so you'd just have to take my word for it up until then. But... just throwing that out there.
 
LetItSnow said:
Once again ...

... I can provide highly compelling evidence that I am not a wolf. (Well, an original wolf.)

Unless you want to argue that I'm a convert, you shouldn't be putting me so highly. Granted, I haven't provided it yet, and I won't unless people decide I should be lynched, so you'd just have to take my word for it up until then. But... just throwing that out there.
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If it makes you feel any better that's the start of my neutral-leaning wolf category, it is incomplete because I haven't finished ISOing people, and I'm probably going to scrutinize you a little more than usual for a while due to being so thoroughly duped last game.
 
WildZoo said:
If it makes you feel any better that's the start of my neutral-leaning wolf category, it is incomplete because I haven't finished ISOing people, and I'm probably going to scrutinize you a little more than usual for a while due to being so thoroughly duped last game.
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Nah, I don't really care if you have me wolfy/neutral/village. I'm much less interested in what people think of me than what people think of each other. Yanno? I know I'm village, so how you read me isn't interesting to me unless I think it's a really unreasonable read.

If that makes sense.
 
LetItSnow said:
Hey @WildZoo ... you interested in an FS vote with me?
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I'm always interested in an FS vote. Was just saying in my upcoming expanded reads post that I'm not comfy with the fact that he's going to be sparse the rest of the game, since I can never read him anyway.

But I really really want to see what's up with Jil at the moment...
 
I'm a little hesitant to post full lists now due to all my village leans being murdered two games ago, but since I'm up for lynch I figure I might as well get all my thoughts out. I didn't finish ISOing everybody pip, LIS, AM, and meats I went off of memory for now because this was taking forever and I felt that I recalled their posts well enough to place them in categories.

Jilary - There wasn't much here for me initially, even though I kind of liked some of pip's analysis (was part of why she was on my first list). However her post-lynch comment on the tie yesterday set off big alarm bells for me and I couldn't figure out why until I read it again. I am almost certain that the last time she was a wolf she made a very similar comment under very similar circumstances and with similar timing, on a tie that resulted in two village deaths. I realize this is pretty weak and I need to do a little more digging and parsing things out here, but it's one of those things that just immediately tripped my wolfdar. With the addition of the possible slip just now (updating my reads in REAL TIME guys!!) I am very comfy with going this direction. You know, other than the discomfort of making it more likely that I'll get lynched instead.
SnowshoeDog143 - totes woof. i don't need to wax poetic on snowy i don't think, but can reiterate my feelings if needed
Cyndia - early game posts were weird. this could be due to drunkenness. however, wolves can be drunk too (grumble), and i haven't been impressed with her contributions since, which isn't abnormal, but then again, her being a wolf isn't abnormal either. Wolfy column until proven otherwise.
vetmedhead - neutral leaning wolf is my gut feeling, but I do need to do some more work here
LetItSnow - Neutral leaning wolf. He can grumble at me all he wants, and maybe I'm just a little more on edge in his direction because of last game. I'd like to see an update on the reads he posted previously. The early blocking by a probably wolf blocker does give me pause, so i did a titch of rearranging from my earlier list
Frozenshades - he's always in my neutral pile until I eventually decide I can't take it anymore and lynch him. This game is no different. The fact that he's going to be sparse going forward doesn't make me any more comfy.
Mad Jack - He just got here and has posted...once? No, twice now. No read yet. Lord knows he'll probably get lynched in a day or two anyway.
Melchizedek - I talked about him earlier today. There is definitely some sketch stuff, particularly what I pointed out with his comments on the britz lynch. However the total balance of his posts I think is actually villager doing some behind the scenes things and maybe getting tripped up in his own theories. I'm not sure I want him lynched today.
Animal Midwife - wolfy points for her positioning and statements made with her britz vote, otherwise i don't think i've got anything but village points in that direction. so neutral leaning village
PippyPony - i'm seeing village pip this game, in so many ways. mostly i think if she were a wolf she would have laid low a little more in the early days, knowing how busy she was going to be. I think we're similar in that for whatever reason we do a good job of not attracting suspicion, especially early on, as wolves but are kinda ****ty at it as villagers.
SportPonies - probably ok for ~reasons~.
allieh8607 - I believe her role claim, for reasons that are a bit more than feels. And if she's telling the truth, I can't see that role being wolf.
genny - village for obvious reasons
WildZoo - dats me, sketchball villager.
 
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PippyPony said:
How many votes does she have now? I thought she had like, one to start with.

Bringing her up into tie range to pressure her is not "bandwagoning," so check yourself.
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WildZoo said:
She's got 3 votes total dude...from people who had already listed her in their suspicions previously. Not exactly a bandwagon.
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Sorry frayed nerves plus my usual level of paranoia is making me extra jumpy
 
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