Snowy flipping wolf moves meats down my list a bit. Probably maybe wouldn't have gone for a wolf-wolf fake ability reveal thing. It's not substantial enough to change her categorization for me, but positioning, sure.
Genny is a good player and if she has info, I want to trust her. But she is also a really good wolf and I can't read her well, so she might be strongly going after a villager or a fellow wolf to gain village cred. I think she did something like that a few games ago and it screwed me over because I had her strong village the entire time. Meaning, I want to test her info but I don't know if I can trust Genny even if britz flips wolf.
This post sketches me out. It almost sounds like "hey look at me, I also think britz is sketchy and want to vote here, but I'm not going vote for her and purposely point out I'm not on the bandwagon vote therefore I must not be a wolf" You can have wide discussions about people and still vote for someone we may have info on..
This and other interactions with pip (plus pip being so blatantly wrong about her...I mean I could turn on my paranoia but eh) make me comfy with that read.
Allie is probably top of my suspicions right now. Reading back through, she doesn't have a ton of posts, but most of them seem to be repeats of thoughts already out there or mechanics stuff. Usually she has a lot more well thought out reasonable logic.
This comes across to me like allie is trying to get someone to reveal as seer or tracker.
I don't like this. You are a good player and in the last few games, I've played you have been very logical and a smart player. The fact that you are now crediting it to noobness just sounds like excuses..
tbh Mel, I think you are way to deep in a paranoia vmh theory right now. If you have some concrete reasons for it, thats fine. But I think your theory requires too many assumptions to be close to accurate. You are diving into cray level of abstract theories..
Top Suspicions: Allie - reasons stated, not playing like I remember, repeating other peoples thoughts, and overly defensive about the mention of her being sketch. Hopefully I'm not tunnelling. WZ and Pippy's interactions yesterday where they both were sketched out by each other made me think of a mild version of LIS and Pippy from last game where they were both wolves. I want to say that pippy is leaning more village though because of the numerous word vomitting posts. So I'm leaning towards WZ being the wolfy one based on that. Jil seems to be tunnelling more then I remember (britz yesterday and mel today) and repeating other peoples thoughts. AM seems quieter this game but not sketchy (which I usually think she's sketchy so that is weirding me out). I want to here more from Cyndia before I decide either way with her. MJ and Teep are WIFOM what would the mod do? Teep joined late in the game so would kdubs add another wolf going from 17 to 18 players? Could be. His posting sticks him at a solid neutral for rn. And would she more likely put an MIA player as village, wolf, or third party?
I kinda want to do this too. I mean it's AM so I'm not too surprised but waiting until the last minute is sketchy. But this also makes me think you are village because you put yourself in the lead now. I could still switch to allie or WZ. Maybe pippy. Wz and pippys love of this tie is sketching me out.
Oh shoot you don't even know? That is why I didn't lynch you today because the wording on your ability was sketchy and vague and I wanted to see if it ended up being used(needed?) if it was a village ability or a wolf or chaos ability..
When this game have I hopped on any wagon just because? I thought allie was sketch balls and I stated my reasons why. WZ thinks her ability is legit and Teeps is suspicious of her. I'm inclined to believe Teeps because he was village and WZ is on my sketch list. Jil as I stated before is playing different then I'm used to and tunneling on people more which makes her sketch. AM as I said before is quiet and wasn't sketchy until she broke the tie last second which seems like a chaos-y thing to do. I was sketched out by cyndia at first, but after she posted her list of reads I am a bit more okay with her. LIS is neutral as I feel he is playing village-y right now, but is a good wolf so I don't want to move him to my village list yet. Pips I go back and forth because she is all over the place and feels village for the most part, but I didn't like her propagating the tie between me and Teeps. That is just not a normal thing for villagers to be happy with ties. But I agree with a lot of her thoughts and her protesting after a few mentions of being sketch make her seem village. MJ I have a theory that he might be neutral because he is MIA until midgame (but no evidence just my thoughts on mechanics). You and your crazy theories and thoughts make me think you are village. And everyone else I am pretty comfortable with right now. I may have changed my opinions on some people based on what they or other people have said or asked questions of someone I think is village (Because *gasp* sometime I'm wrong about people so I always have to be evaluating my thoughts), but I'm not just hopping on "convenient" wagons.
Thats fine if you didn't want to pm. I'm not blaming you for not responding because some people like to pm and others don't. Yes, I was trying to get an answer for why you thought there were two kill attempts because I had a theory I wanted to see if there was any truth behind but I didn't want you to think I was trying to pressure you into anything. So maybe that came across as hedgey? Sorry not sorry. That is usually how my first pms to people in these games sound when I've never played/pmed with them before.
Kind of listed the same people in this list that she did in the other. Again I think there's probably a wolf in there.
But I also think there's a good chance that there is a wolf among the players who she never mentioned/interacted with at all. FS jumps imediately to mind there.
Crap, this fact was lodged somewhere in the back of my brain, but like I said I turned my brain off the past couple hours. Add this to the list of reasons I want Jil dead.
Which calls into question why SP didn't point this out with her extensive knowledge of Sega gaming.
Generally speaking, I'd consider Knuckles a rival more than a bad dude, but he IS in a boss battle of Sonic&Knuckles. Can't remember precisely (been a while since I've played the game), but I think the storyline was more of a spat ending in agreement than a true fight-to-defeat battle. Not sure if I have an opinion on whether this makes Knuckles a likely wolf, but it's certainly a possibility. I could see him being considered wolfy even as the stuck up friend-rival that he is. I prefer the idea of Eggman/Robotnik being the wolf better, but Snowy's role made my original theory go down in flames anyway.
I don't quite think the whole "looking for video game villains" thing is going to fly because Player #6 isn't a videogame character much less a villain (at least not that I'm aware of SP double check me on this)
ETA: Knuckles IS a boss battle in the original game even if he's not the main villain.
I realized I had actually intended to ISO AM's posts but never did... got distracted. I had meant to see if she had really been posting her reads because I can't off the top of my head think who she has been suspicious of and why, besides who she has voted for.
Idk. One of the things that gives me pause about Jil is that she said good luck village after she was lynched. If she knew she was going to avoid dying in the tie, then I could see her doing it to look village, but I'm not sure she would have known that.
But, the cyndia dying thing & Teep coming back thing is interesting. Like did they get exchanged?
Or did Jil's ability maybe involve taking out last villager who voted for her? I think that was a wolf ability in the first game I played.
I thought the Cyndia dying thing was punishment for making the final tie. In any case it sounds more like a mod kill/decision than possibly Jil's ability because of lighting and whatnot.
As for the Teepster revive, if this was a villager rezzing him, poor choice (sorry teeps) but like LIS said a while ago, if there is a village rezzer they need to stop dicking around and bring back DVMD. It could be bad villager play, or it could be mods once again punishing cyndia for the tie by replacing a vanillager with a previously identified vanillager.
No idea how the rez affected Teeps i.e. new powers, alignment switch, w.e. but willing to lynch here if we need to look for a convert.
Can someone give me the rundown on wth happened and who did what and why?
I've euthanized my last 4 patients tonight (fa la la la la ... la la la la), so I'm kinda grumpy and pissed off and not really feeling like deep reading the lynch vote run-up.
And I'm SUPER pissed off about the last one, because it was an 8yo ShihTzu that was gorgeous and in great shape and friendly and had the most gigantic (for body size) splenic mass I've ever seen and I *REALLY* wanted to cut it because if there was ever a splenic hemoab that had a chance of being hemangioma instead of sarcoma this was f'ing it. But noooooo. Too expensive. F this.
VMH reveals the name Snowy gave her in PM - Player 4
Jil finally catches up and suspects cyndia and AM.
SP confirms that “Player 4” is not the name of any character in genesis games.
Snowy is unable to give the name of the game his role is from.
Snowy lynch picks up for this sketchiness
Jil makes IRL defenses for recent play.
Cyndia finally catches up, but is apparently selectively reading and missing key posts.
I lynch jil because I want jil dead
Jil makes more IRL defenses.
Tie made between Jil and Snowy.
Jil admits to misreading posts.
Pippy and Dubz don’t like Jil for Jil’s wording and meta
Jil role claims Knuckles in a weirdly worded way. more talking about Jil’s meta
unofficial Lynch close
more talking about Jil’s meta
Official lynch close
general off topic bull****tery
I get hydrated
Cyndia dies, Teepster is back, Snowy dies flips villager and named as Player 6 - ability thief.
More general off topic bull****tery
Everyone wants Jil dead
Knuckles claim is Null because we know that its not just strictly villains we might be looking for and because knuckles is a boss battle in one of the sonic games
More bull****tery.
Jil trying to explain weirdness
dubs brings up wall of snowy quotes to analyze
Suspicion on AM from Dubz and Pippy
ETA: People feel free to point stuff out that I may have missed.
Can someone give me the rundown on wth happened and who did what and why?
I've euthanized my last 4 patients tonight (fa la la la la ... la la la la), so I'm kinda grumpy and pissed off and not really feeling like deep reading the lynch vote run-up.
And I'm SUPER pissed off about the last one, because it was an 8yo ShihTzu that was gorgeous and in great shape and friendly and had the most gigantic (for body size) splenic mass I've ever seen and I *REALLY* wanted to cut it because if there was ever a splenic hemoab that had a chance of being hemangioma instead of sarcoma this was f'ing it. But noooooo. Too expensive. F this.
The players still have some minor grumpusing over this game they've been merged into. Note to selves: never play video games again. Or this kinda insanity happens (meh, WW is much cooler, who are you trying to kid!?)
Lots of stuff happened, guise!!! Some (*controlled*) fire, some insomnia (or lurkers?) and a blue, speeding blur.
No one has died. If anything, someone...lived?
oh, hai there, @DVMDream . How was your nap? Hopefully you got to rest your feet.
It is Day 5. Lynch deadline is ~11pm Eastern (may be earlier but.....in case of modabandonment)
*****Let's welcome DVMD back with a PMfest. Talk to your neighbor! (Do I really need to explain this?) Only lasts til end of lynch cycle!!!******
I was a little bit pissy during my lynch, I'll admit that. But I think it's garbage to throw up a last minute vote to break a tie, and then once deadline was extended flopped back and was all like "nope, you guys deal with it"
I was fine with dying, but pick a fricken stance and not just spectate.
I was a little bit pissy during my lynch, I'll admit that. But I think it's garbage to throw up a last minute vote to break a tie, and then once deadline was extended flopped back and was all like "nope, you guys deal with it"
I was fine with dying, but pick a fricken stance and not just spectate.
Not exactly...we still knew at that point that she was the ability thief. I still would have been calling BS on some of the things she said about my ability.
For all the reasons stated yesterday. With snowy flipping wolf, AM's position on pretty much every lynch vote is super sketch. It was a nice try breaking the tie in teeps direction, unfortunately lynch didn't close when she thought it would.
For all the reasons stated yesterday. With snowy flipping wolf, AM's position on pretty much every lynch vote is super sketch. It was a nice try breaking the tie in teeps direction, unfortunately lynch didn't close when she thought it would.
FS - Find it interesting he voted a newer player (SP) over a veteran. Especially seeing that Snowy was on that same mayor vote. Questions vmh for more info on ability thief. Comes onto the blizten vote late. By Day 3, he votes SP into second place without a reason. Does vote for Snowy next day. Have him leaning neutral.
MJ - Neutral. He's supposed to be in the game now, but even his vote yesterday was without reasoning. I want to hear more thoughts from him from today.
LIS - Liked that he calls out britzen right away and then reads thread instead of just jumping on the vote. Not a huge fan of the eventual vote being on an already majority bandwagon. I like agree with a lot of his reads on D3. Really like that he's pushing on FS. Village-leaning.
SP - It feels like she's been quiet a lot on these lynches. Similar to how she played in TLM and Trilt's last game. Wouldn't mind seeing some more original analysis, but have her leaning slight village.
Ok well it looks like my colors didn't come along. The moment when AM unvotes Allie and moves onto Snowy. There's about 7 minutes left, and I've just been put in the lead. Seems like a safe move to be able to point to in the future of being on a wolf when they're not lynched.
Sporty putting Snowy back into a tie lets me feel a slight bit more comfortable with them.
Just had to say that. I've only been skimming the last couple days so my suspicions when I died haven't changed. Obviously not going to catch up while at work.
Seems like there is suspicions around Jil and AM, so I'll look at their posts and go from there.
I wanted to go ahead and post these (day 2 and day 3 have updated colors), will be looking over them a bit more to see if I find anything else to comment on.
D2
Sporty contingency votes DVMD (1)
Dubz votes Cyndia (1)
Pippy votes dubz (1) Cyndia votes teep (1)
genny votes the ritz (1) - references "strong feels"
**AM votes the ritz (2) Teep votes the ritz (3) Jil votes the ritz (4)
meats votes the ritz (5) DVMD votes the ritz (6)
allie votes the ritz (7)
sporty unlynches DVMD (0)
CheezyD votes teep (2)
LIS votes the ritz (8) Snowy votes the ritz (9) Cyndia unvotes teep (1) votes the ritz (10)
Froyo votes the ritz (11)
Sporty votes the ritz (12)
Well we found at least one wolf on the ritz lynch. Snowy was late on it though, so I still think there was probably an early wolf voter as well (that could be Jil).
We started with 17 players (with teep as a late add to make 18) so 4 originals or 3 and a convert is how I would have done the numbers. If its the former I think the 4th may have stayed off the ritz vote (which would make me look very hard at CheezyD). But it is possible all 3 would have decided to jump on the wagon, especially if 2 were able to get on early. If there were only 3 originals then I think Jil is the last. And then we get to my least favorite part of the game.
-----technically lynch end, remaining votes archived for posterity---- teep unlynches AM lynches snowy
dubz lynches teep
I could see AM's tie break at the original deadline two ways - villager screw up, or wolf knowing that villagers make that screw up all the time (genny and I had just talked about that) and being a little ballsy if she thought she could get away with it. I'm leaning towards the former simply because I've done it before, and I was trying to do it at the actual end of the lynch. I'm just not sure AM would be a ballsy enough wolf to go for that move and then not stick with that decision. Wolves had already lost one, were likely going to lose a second soon even if she didn't end up tied in that lynch, I think they'd probably play a little more conservative to keep from getting more suspicion.
I think a lot of the interpretation for day 4 will depend on how Jil flips. If she does flip wolf (which I think she will) I think anyone who pushed for her vote at the end of the day should get a fair bit of village cred. With one wolf already on the table (and one already dead) I don't think the others would have been keen to push another pack member at that time.
I'm still on the Jil train and probably will be until she is lynched, but in the interest of discussion (and because IRL me feels a bit bad about steamrolling her when she is stressed about IRL things) I am going to
Lynch Froyo
Taking someone who I had at a neutral-mild village lean since so far I am 0/2 this game on my reads lol
Maybe I've been hanging out with @WildZoo too much