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Melchizedek said:
smh y'all asked for a wolf on a silver platter and I bring Jil to the forefront of conversation, drive her lynch, and I still get called sketchy haha

It was an honest mistake, I misinterpreted something because I was juggling multiple things. This is really all I have to defend at this point. If pressed I'll share what exactly happened but it involves sharing A LOT of details that wolves probably don't know, so I would very much so like to avoid that.

RE: 3 kill attempts N2
There were not 3 kill attempts N2, there were two. DVMD was one of them. Genny was not the other one. DVMD is quite likely your convert and is straight up lying to you that she was told Genny was killed. DVMD may have been told that she successfully protected Genny in the context of yes Genny successfully received the protection, but Genny did not need it that night. This plus the fact that DVMD is trying to capitalize on my misinterpretation lets me know that she is your convert. Don't let the Jil back and forth fool you, DVMD has absolutely no qualms bussing/arguing with a fellow wolf on thread as a blatant attempt at village cred.

If not DVMD, Genny could be the convert (I don't think this is AS likely as DVMD) my theory from day one was that it was her ability that was letting her track people (hence why I brought up items, to preemptively give her a cover story) but now I'm wondering if it WAS an item d1 and then she got converted somewhere along the way because we all pretty much cleared her, and thats how she knows Jil interacted with me last night (through wolfchat) and is bussing Jil to get end-game village cred.

These are theories I've shared with one other person during in the day, so no its not a reactionary/retaliatory theory made up on the spot.

Working on some stuff to try and hone in on who would be another original wolf if there is one, but I need another round of night results before I'm anywhere significant on that front.
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I've stated the bolded part above multiple times. Why continue to push that I'm lying about it? I'm not lying. I received from the mods that I successfully protected genny but while running interference I was killed. To me, it sounds like successful protection but I've laid it out there multiple times and I've WELCOMED other people to interpret it as well. It isn't like I'm trying to ram it down people's throats as fact like you are putting words in my mouth.
 
kaydubs said:
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Best game ever <3

I'm thinking if we're dealing with a zombie convert situation, DVMD is the more likely choice, in my opinion, due to Mel's reasoning and the fact that Teeps has read pretty village to me since coming back.

That being said, I just want to verify this.

Melchizedek said:
It was an honest mistake, I misinterpreted something because I was juggling multiple things. This is really all I have to defend at this point. If pressed I'll share what exactly happened but it involves sharing A LOT of details that wolves probably don't know, so I would very much so like to avoid that.

RE: 3 kill attempts N2
There were not 3 kill attempts N2, there were two. DVMD was one of them. Genny was not the other one. DVMD is quite likely your convert and is straight up lying to you that she was told Genny was killed. DVMD may have been told that she successfully protected Genny in the context of yes Genny successfully received the protection, but Genny did not need it that night. This plus the fact that DVMD is trying to capitalize on my misinterpretation lets me know that she is your convert. Don't let the Jil back and forth fool you, DVMD has absolutely no qualms bussing/arguing with a fellow wolf on thread as a blatant attempt at village cred.

If not DVMD, Genny could be the convert (I don't think this is AS likely as DVMD) my theory from day one was that it was her ability that was letting her track people (hence why I brought up items, to preemptively give her a cover story) but now I'm wondering if it WAS an item d1 and then she got converted somewhere along the way because we all pretty much cleared her, and thats how she knows Jil interacted with me last night (through wolfchat) and is bussing Jil to get end-game village cred.

These are theories I've shared with one other person during in the day, so no its not a reactionary/retaliatory theory made up on the spot.
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@vetmedhead, can you confirm the bolded? Mel and I shared brief theories during the first PMing day, but I was not part of a conversation concerning any of the above during yesterday's PMing. We know genny's village now, but I still feel like it's worth fact-checking.
 
I also love that Mel's taking credit for the jilary finding. I'd there's one thing you notice when you are dead it is when people are kind of half ass about something then finally commit once that player is going down.

Mel didn't push jilary. That's laughable. And he sure didn't lead her lynch yesterday and even if he had, the rest of you all had already figured it out. Oh and his jilary vote didn't come until the end. So, no, that's the most laughable "I pushed the jilary lynch" ever.
 
PippyPony said:
Now that is something I would do as a convert for village cred.

So, I don't know that that tells me anything about you either way.
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To be honest, there's absolutely nothing I can do or say that will make anyone believe I'm village. All I can hope is that I distract the wolves at least once and get some good reads in that you guys will actually follow post my death showing I'm still village.
 
To throw this out there, as it seems like DVMD said she came back the same way, I think that I was mod-revived and not by any player ability/mechanism. I don't think that I've ever seen anyone come back at the end of a day cycle either, so I know that's weird.
I was lobbying kdubs really hard for me to win the tie against Snowy, but I think she was set on killing both of us. Once dead, she told me to hang around because I might be coming back soon. It's been 2 nights since I came back, so I would like to think that I'd have been looked into by now.

I would be willing to lynch DVMD to see if she'd flip as a convert. Though having the mod bring us both back by her doing makes me wonder if we've still got an original or two to deal with.
 
DVMDream said:
Who all knew about the plan?
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I can believe pippy knew based on her on thread interactions with Genny. Would be nice if someone could corroborate that though. I don't know if that would risk outting too much information so, they can use their best discretion.
 
Oh people I'd like to bring up, feel free to yell at me if you have already determined these as non sketchy.

Was suspicious of allie when I died, seems others were then it disappeared.

AM keeps getting brought up then forgotten.

MJ is around and liking things. Seems to not be very vocal which doesn't help to get a read.

DubZ has been brought up a few times, not sure if that suspicion was assuaded or not.

LIS I believe to have started out village.
 
Ok well these were the two important ones:

PippyPony said:
I have some reason to believe Mel was a villager up through last night at least. It's not solid info, but it's enough that I think he's probably telling the truth at this point in time.

Still sticking on one of our resident zombies for the time being, I think.
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PippyPony said:
In case it helps people make some decisions about me...I had been talking to genny, knew she was tinkerer, and also knew she was trying to get attacked (so figured she was building a booby trap). I thiink that all of that -- including the booby trap item hypothesis -- can be corroborated by other people.

Building village cred as a convert is one thing; knowingly sending a probably-unlynchable alpha to get sneak attacked by a night kill target is not something I would do at this stage in the game with this many wolves down and this many juicy targets still available. But that's WIFOM-y, eh @Jilary 😉
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Melchizedek said:
Alright fine, your reads are the same as everyone else. Here’s a more specific question for you to answer. Who do you feel would be converted if that’s what we’re lookin for vs another original wolf?
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I wouldn't mind knowing your answer to this question too! :heckyeah:

PippyPony said:
I have some reason to believe Mel was a villager up through last night at least. It's not solid info, but it's enough that I think he's probably telling the truth at this point in time.

Still sticking on one of our resident zombies for the time being, I think.
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Hmm. Grumble. I don't mind checking out the zombies because I think this mod revival thing is weird (if wolf numbers are where I think they would be, two village mod revivals is woah unbalanced). But Mel has been setting off alarm bells for me for the past day.

DVMDream said:
I also love that Mel's taking credit for the jilary finding. I'd there's one thing you notice when you are dead it is when people are kind of half ass about something then finally commit once that player is going down.

Mel didn't push jilary. That's laughable. And he sure didn't lead her lynch yesterday and even if he had, the rest of you all had already figured it out. Oh and his jilary vote didn't come until the end. So, no, that's the most laughable "I pushed the jilary lynch" ever.
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He did the same thing with the snowy lynch 🙄
 
PippyPony said:
Ok well these were the two important ones:
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Ok, but I already knew you knew about genny's plan, I wasn't ignoring you. I should have stated who besides Pippy knew about genny's plan, but didn't think I'd need to be that damn specific.


And I still think Mel has you fooled so unless you've got mod verified info proving he's village, my vote there is unlikely to change, even if it means my death.
 
DVMDream said:
Oh people I'd like to bring up, feel free to yell at me if you have already determined these as non sketchy.

Was suspicious of allie when I died, seems others were then it disappeared.

AM keeps getting brought up then forgotten.

MJ is around and liking things. Seems to not be very vocal which doesn't help to get a read.

DubZ has been brought up a few times, not sure if that suspicion was assuaded or not.

LIS I believe to have started out village.
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I was initially skeptic of allie, but after PMing with her more during that first cycle we could talk I'm pretty sure she's village. I think her starting on the first snowy lynch (and I think the next day too) that shes pretty solid.
I'd still like to lynch AM, but I don't know if I'm just tunneling or salty
 
DVMDream said:
Dude I've been dead then had a raging fever yesterday. And I'm not reading through your insane number of posts today either, I've finally got the day off and still don't feel great.
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Why did you ask the mods to be let back into the game if you don’t even feel like reading what you missed?
 
WildZoo said:
Hmm. Grumble. I don't mind checking out the zombies because I think this mod revival thing is weird (if wolf numbers are where I think they would be, two village mod revivals is woah unbalanced). But Mel has been setting off alarm bells for me for the past day.
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Actually, minor clarification:

I have fluffy reasons to believe Mel was non-wolf up through last night. Strictly village...I'm still a little on the fence about, tbh.
 
DVMDream said:
Oh people I'd like to bring up, feel free to yell at me if you have already determined these as non sketchy.

Was suspicious of allie when I died, seems others were then it disappeared.

AM keeps getting brought up then forgotten.

MJ is around and liking things. Seems to not be very vocal which doesn't help to get a read.

DubZ has been brought up a few times, not sure if that suspicion was assuaded or not.

LIS I believe to have started out village.
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Allie I'm fairly certain is village.
AM and MJ I'm still unsure on.
Pretty sure I'm village :heckyeah:
Can you give your reasoning for LIS?
 
allieh8607 said:
Why did you ask the mods to be let back into the game if you don’t even feel like reading what you missed?
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I wasn't sick before I got let back in. Sorry, not sorry??

I'm not reading through 20+ pages or whatever it is. If we're looking for a convert like everyone seems to think, it doesn't matter anyway.
 
DVMDream said:
And I still think Mel has you fooled so unless you've got mod verified info proving he's village, my vote there is unlikely to change, even if it means my death.
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It's possible. But it would mean that more people than just me are being fooled, and I feel like that would mean he actually deserves all the props he likes to give himself lol
 
WildZoo said:
mm. Grumble. I don't mind checking out the zombies because I think this mod revival thing is weird (if wolf numbers are where I think they would be, two village mod revivals is woah unbalanced).
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I don't want to get too tin-foil hat, but having 2 rezzes of village would be a good way to convert someone else and let them lay up in safety for a while
 
PippyPony said:
*ahem* :hello:
:bullcrap:
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You calling BS on yourself? Because as I recall, everyone was so focused on snowy two days ago and AM was the only one on the Jil vote after I said this:

Melchizedek said:
Nahh and I probably won't.

@Jilary
More content, less sheeping and fluff post please.
If I believed in pressure voting, I'd be doing it here.
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But whatever you all can give me credit in being instrumental in the Jil lynch or not, IDGAF either way.


WildZoo said:
I think we can pretty safely clear anyone who knew Genny was planning a booby trap. Don't think WIFOM even applies there - sending your alpha to their death is just dumb. Not fun dumb, not risky fancy play dumb...just dumb.
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WildZoo said:
I wouldn't mind knowing your answer to this question too! :heckyeah:
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Original wolf suspects: Allie/FS (and yes I've had an eye on them since the britz vote and have said so, feel free to look back)
Convert suspects: DVMD (although I'm starting to doubt if there IS a convert)

Edit: fixing quotes
 
Oh and not that this matters much and is kind of WIFOM-y.....

The last time someone came out that strong and hard against me like Mel did in his post above. It was the same scenario, I was revived, easy lynch target so they went balls to the walls. I got lynched, flipped village, they did lynch that person. She was a wolf as I'd stated the whole prior lynch when no one would listen.

So if you do lynch me and when you do see I'm village, if you don't lynch Mel, I'm going to personally mail each and every one of you a bag of glitter dicks. You're welcome.
 
Teepster87 said:
I don't want to get too tin-foil hat, but having 2 rezzes of village would be a good way to convert someone else and let them lay up in safety for a while
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Oh that's not too tin foil hat for me. I kinda like the theory.
 
Melchizedek said:
You calling BS on yourself? Because as I recall, everyone was so focused on snowy two days ago and AM was the only one on the Jil vote after I said this:

But whatever you all can give me credit in being instrumental in the Jil lynch or not, IDGAF either way.
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PippyPony said:
Although a couple of other people are rapidly creeping up my list based off of the Britzen blitz 😉
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PippyPony said:
Quickly re-read before bed.

Contingency lynch Jil

Timing was off; she had a weak post "pushing" Britzen after the lynch had already picked up steam. And her lynch vote for Britzen/recognition of what was going on with genny happened after my exchange with genny where the lightbulb finally went on, so all of this "I knew what was going on right off the bat" business doesn't fit with the timeline. And she's chiming in on other people's reasoning a lot.

Sporty spice and DVMD actually worth second looks too, I think, if Jil were to flip wolf.
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PippyPony said:
If Jil flips wolf I actually feel like this bumps both of these guys more village.
This was the post mentioned in my contingency vote; rings hollow to me especially because this was pretty late.
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PippyPony said:
And @Jilary if you keep liking posts where people are saying I am crazy, I going to consider putting you back on the list. 😛

Edit: ah. Ninja'd. Interesting.
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Could go on but sure yeah take credit for that
 
Also there was another kill attempt last night (and yes I double and triple checked this one before I ran my mouth off this time) which means that we're either looking for an original wolf or there's a Vig out there with village intentions.
 
Melchizedek said:
Original wolf suspects: Allie/FS (and yes I've had an eye on them since the britz vote and have said so, feel free to look back)
Convert suspects: DVMD (although I'm starting to doubt if there IS a convert)
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Disagree on Allie but I think FS is a good choice.

DVMDream said:
Based on his block message.
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Hmmm. I thought he never posted it? Did I miss that? In any case my paranoia regarding wolves blocking wolves is high enough that I don't put too much stock in that, especially for early game blocks.
 
Melchizedek said:
Also there was another kill attempt last night (and yes I double and triple checked this one before I ran my mouth off this time) which means that we're either looking for an original wolf or there's a Vig out there with village intentions.
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FyI I am almost for sure lynching you before the end of the game because this is just too OP to be village.
 
Melchizedek said:
Also there was another kill attempt last night (and yes I double and triple checked this one before I ran my mouth off this time) which means that we're either looking for an original wolf or there's a Vig out there with village intentions.
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A kill attempt in addition to the Genny kill?
 
WildZoo said:
Disagree on Allie but I think FS is a good choice.


Hmmm. I thought he never posted it? Did I miss that? In any case my paranoia regarding wolves blocking wolves is high enough that I don't put too much stock in that, especially for early game blocks.
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He didn't post it; was basically like "oh it's the same as DVMD's".

I am not so convinced he is village; I would like him looked into.

@LetItSnow

What are your thoughts on these kill targets

Because after just coming off a wolf experience with you, I think that these would be good fits for targets you would approve
 
WildZoo said:
Disagree on Allie but I think FS is a good choice.


Hmmm. I thought he never posted it? Did I miss that? In any case my paranoia regarding wolves blocking wolves is high enough that I don't put too much stock in that, especially for early game blocks.
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He did. It was the second part of his message that he received that was different from my block message that makes me believe him. As my latest block message was exactly the same. Will make sense to anyone who read his posts.
 
PippyPony said:
He didn't post it; was basically like "oh it's the same as DVMD's".

I am not so convinced he is village; I would like him looked into.

@LetItSnow

What are your thoughts on these kill targets

Because after just coming off a wolf experience with you, I think that these would be good fits for targets you would approve
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He said more than that. Who isn't reading now??? 😉
 
Super tinfoil hat/villager tunnel alert:

I still want Dubz looked into, too lol

Reasons:
- pushing Cyndia on first post (off norm)
- kill targets would have been ones I would have chosen
- first day driving suspicion towards me and allie for questioning the genny lynch
- she would totally bus snowy despite her saying she would not do that, particularly if she is a convert and the conversion happened after she had gone after snowy
 
PippyPony said:
Super tinfoil hat/villager tunnel alert:

I still want Dubz looked into, too lol

Reasons:
- pushing Cyndia on first post (off norm)
- kill targets would have been ones I would have chosen
- first day driving suspicion towards me and allie for questioning the genny lynch
- she would totally bus snowy despite her saying she would not do that, particularly if she is a convert and the conversion happened after she had gone after snowy
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To be very honest, after I died I really wanted people putting the pressure on you because of the way you questioned genny. So I can't really fault WZ, or anyone, for doing that.
 
PippyPony said:
Super tinfoil hat/villager tunnel alert:

I still want Dubz looked into, too lol

Reasons:
- pushing Cyndia on first post (off norm)
- kill targets would have been ones I would have chosen
- first day driving suspicion towards me and allie for questioning the genny lynch
- she would totally bus snowy despite her saying she would not do that, particularly if she is a convert and the conversion happened after she had gone after snowy
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It's fine if you are pushing me as a convert, after what happened between me and snowy I'd be a decent choice, but are you really thinking I'm an original? 😵
 
DVMDream said:
To be very honest, after I died I really wanted people putting the pressure on you because of the way you questioned genny. So I can't really fault WZ, or anyone, for doing that.
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It wasn't that -- you might not recall but I had actually moved you village based on that. It was the timing of when she was doing it, and the fact that it seemed to be in a way to throw suspicion but not really go hard for either one of us.
 
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