StardeWW 2: Ginger Island - GAME THREAD

[potentialsheltervet]

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I think it’s pshelty/PSV

Is there any point in me even talking with you?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I am wondering if I should interpret the "mother-daughter" meme of these two as suggestive of reliable reads, or if it's just a meme for the sake of a meme. If SAR is an authority on miranda, then that is something I want to consider.

It's because SAR was Miranda's manator/mentor and we joke about that being the person's "parent" here.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Navigating context in these other games without ever having seen them before is quite difficult, and I kind of want to grain of salt any conclusion I draw from it. But given the parallels Lawpy has described, I can vaguely see it in the Bowling game with samac (encountering a tightly-constrained situation and responding by suspecting and eventually voting out a teammate). Every game is a self-contained creature, so these connections are often tenuous.

 

[kaydubs]

Sometimes, you just need to ly lo - Day 7 Tally

miranda ()
PSV (1) - Lawpy
JJJ (1) - PSV

Missing: @JaggedJimmyJay and @miranda920

Vote closes TOMORROW, 3/29, at 10 PM CDT (~27.25 hours).

 

[Lawpy]

Is there any point in me even talking with you?

pshelty pls i’m getting lost in the mechanical weeds and search isn’t helping me

 

[Lawpy]

It's because SAR was Miranda's manator/mentor and we joke about that being the person's "parent" here.

This is why i’m pleased that mirandas is veggies’s aunt

 

[Lawpy]

Navigating context in these other games without ever having seen them before is quite difficult, and I kind of want to grain of salt any conclusion I draw from it. But given the parallels Lawpy has described, I can vaguely see it in the Bowling game with samac (encountering a tightly-constrained situation and responding by suspecting and eventually voting out a teammate). Every game is a self-contained creature, so these connections are often tenuous.

It’s to show a precedent exists

 

[miranda920]

This is why i’m pleased that mirandas is veggies’s aunt

Lawpy, are we related?!

 

[Lawpy]

Lawpy, are we related?!

Unlikely 😢

Dina is my aunt though but that’s about it

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Lawpy, are we related?!

What are your thoughts currently? I'm assuming you've chatted a moderate amount with everyone in your PMs.

 

[Lawpy]

What are your thoughts currently? I'm assuming you've chatted a moderate amount with everyone in your PMs.

Can you walk me through about the hider thing because i’m not following

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Can you walk me through about the hider thing because i’m not following

What about it? If JJJ is scum, Santy should have died from hiding behind him N1 assuming the weak modifier is in place.
But that's assuming something we don't know for sure about mechanics. It's also assuming Santy didn't lie about who he hid behind for fun

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm not saying Santy would lie about something irrelevant for fun but I'm not saying he wouldn't do that

 

[Lawpy]

What about it? If JJJ is scum, Santy should have died from hiding behind him N1 assuming the weak modifier is in place.
But that's assuming something we don't know for sure about mechanics. It's also assuming Santy didn't lie about who he hid behind for fun

Did village!Santy lie about his actions before? This is important

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Did village!Santy lie about his actions before? This is important

I don't know. Just seems like something he would do.
I think shorty said he lied about something in champs and wound up dying because of it but I don't know the details

 

[Lawpy]

N1 I acted on JJJ , rrally comfy. I wasn't notified of anything else, except of 1 letter from someone that is in my village tier . Someone notified me pls instapocketed

Hmm

 

[Lawpy]

N1: Santy acts on Jays —> really comfy, but not blocked?

N5: PSV/pshelty acts on Jays —> can’t get out of the house, blocked

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Santy may love a good meme, but he isn't going to lie about his action as town and then never recant that while being voted out. It'd be pretty inexcusable, and he isn't like that.

 

[Lawpy]

How can Santy feel really comfy for hiding behind Jays if he was preventively blocked by a wolf!Jays’s ability?

 

[Lawpy]

The hiding wouldn’t work

 

[potentialsheltervet]

How can Santy feel really comfy for hiding behind Jays if he was preventively blocked by a wolf!Jays’s ability?

Okay, never mind. That isn't the case.

 

[supershorty]

Mod Announcement: Close will be moving up by 1 hour tomorrow to close at 9 PM CDT, because frankly I have stayed up late or gotten up early for every cycle close in this game, I'm tired, and regardless of who y'all vote out today, there is no "tomorrow" whose 10 AM close I would want so as not to get up earlier than I had been already.

 

[supershorty]

Sometimes, you just need to ly lo - Day 7 Tally

miranda ()
PSV (1) - Lawpy
JJJ (1) - PSV

Missing: @JaggedJimmyJay and @miranda920

Vote closes TOMORROW, 3/29, at 9 PM CDT (~25 hours).

 

[miranda920]

What are your thoughts currently? I'm assuming you've chatted a moderate amount with everyone in your PMs.

The only thing I feel pretty certain about, is lawpy is not the wolf.
But I am struggling to figure out who is not being truthful.

This morning I didn't feel great about JJJ, but as more things have come to light like the goat licking and such, I'm completely unsure...

Before SAR was NK, she said you were next in her POE despite having felt strongly that you were town earlier in the Day cycle.

The mechanical issues are not helping with the confusion either.

 

[miranda920]

Santy may love a good meme, but he isn't going to lie about his action as town and then never recant that while being voted out. It'd be pretty inexcusable, and he isn't like that.

I agree, I don't think Santy would have any reason to lie as a townie about his actions.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

PSV's Super Duper Special Fun Time

Gather 'round, children! We're about to embark on a journey. Fasten your seatbelts and keep all your limbs inside the vehicle. This might get a little bumpy.
Oh, and make sure to hydrate and grab a snack before we begin. It's going to be a long one.

Spoiler: Time to Get a WWatch

Excellent. I've been waiting a while to finally get a town role after watching the misery of the first two rounds of the champs tournament.

First question for the local regulars: in a 12-player game, given your experience playing right here on SDN, how many mafia would you expect there to be? Do you expect independents/3ps?

This is Jay's opening post. Coming in, he jokes about being village and asks roughly how many scum to expect.

Thank you.

If there are three mafia (decent assumption to be on the safe side), then we sit in a 9 vs 3 game --> this would only be two mischops to "limlo", meaning 2 + 3 = 5 names are needed for a winning POE. That may also apply with two mafia (3 + 2 instead), but regardless I like to know about my immediate sense of urgency.

6 correct town reads not including oneself [probably] win the game.

Establishes that his goal is finding other villagers.

I desire more town reads.

I will award three (3) town points to the next player who engages in any form of hunting. Take them while they’re hot!

Showing very obvious eagerness to find more villagers to throw in his village core.

Nope! I’m just a brave little toaster. I believe it is never too early to start building a cohesive town, and Santy’s opening content has struck me the right way — enthusiastically pushing the thread forward and creating hunting lanes. My only real stance right now is that he is a town read.

You opened that statement with “one could argue”. Do you argue?

Handing village points to Santy right off the bat... Which was a mistake, but c'est la vie.

I understand. I get that a lot.

This is my mode though. I think I am pretty good at seeing town, especially in the earliest stages of play, and it decreases the urgency for me to immediately find mafia (something I can do decently, but with less consistency). I believe in me!

Stating his playstyle as basically being focused on establishing a village core and sticking with them and then working outward to find mafia.

Vote: JaggedJimmyJay

I hope this is correct, rules and new sites confuse me

Clem pops in to vote JJJ straightaway.

Oh what's your gripe this time

Obviously used to this treatment.

You legitimately did the last game or two, but if this is your town approach to me then it seems what you actually do is read Jay wolf every game

I've also townread you when you're town lol

Establishing a rather tenuous, not so great read rate here. Clem has read Jay accurately in the past and also has read him inaccurately.

That's hard to say. Everything is very contextualized game-to-game. I think there's a good chance that as mafia I wouldn't have declared four town reads already. I'd be "trying", but progress would be slower. Perhaps I'd have let samac go instead of pegging them green. This game has been pretty slow-moving by the standards I am accustomed to, so it would be simpler to justify being a slowpoke about building my fake town pile. I'd also be looking for excuses to shove my teammates into the green pile (see: Halvosen Ridge). That's an educated guess, I dunno really.

But, no slowpoke needed. Indeed, I'm in a huge hurry. Let's go! More town reads! I want so many that for me to be mafia would be throwing the game! Weeeee!

Self-meta regarding his own mafia play. This is a special tool that will help us later.

I think these takes from Empire are at least worth considering. I’d really like to hear from anyone that hasn’t already commented: what do you think of Empire’s reads here, and what do you think of Empire himself?

Crowdsourcing opinions on some reads.

My SportPonies read is a black void where nothing exists nor has ever existed before, and all who look into the void too deeply are deconstructed from the physical world to become, themselves, nothingless — of the blackness, void of body and soul.

Put another way, I have a null read on SportPonies.

Very open to stating a lack of a read on Sporty.

Whether Nate and Truenamer are compatible, it's most important that we make the best decision today (whether it's either of them or not). I don't think it's a heinous sin to think about associations pre-flip, but they shouldn't be hugely influential to our voting decisions pre-flip.

If we can cover EVERY pre-flip association, then it's different. I'm still trying to find a practical way to do that.

Mentioning seeking compatibility between reads.

When reviewing the thread in proper order, these were the dissociations I came up with (i.e., not mafia teammates):

Nate/AM
Truenamer/AM
April/Santy
April/Truenamer
Empire/PSV
Emire/samac
samac/Truenamer

I'd like to continue to build from this set, and I'll take the ones others have proposed into consideration. Thanks to those who've contributed already. The best value of these isn't even to figure out the mafia team, in my opinion -- instead, it's to identify players that fit with too few others and clear them.

Doing some checks for partners here to help rule things out.

Any of the content that he has just provided. What is your impression of it?

Another crowdsourcing.

WildZoo??? More like WildPoo!!!

This was just funny.

Alright everyone who is here (I know there are others that didn't respond! I can SEE you!), our exercise will be simple:

I am going to toss out a couple of player names into the thread at a time. All I ask is that you quote each post and respond with your gun-to-head read on that player. This means there are only two options: town and mafia (villager and wolf, whatever). NO NULL ALLOWED. NO NEUTRAL ALLOWED. BINARY.

I will begin shortly.

Starting this little game to gather gut reads on players.

I think we should eliminate Clem.

I have also considered genny and SportPonies, but I don't know either of them at all and it'd be close to null guessing. I actually harbor suspicion of Clem.

I am no longer thrilled with an elimination of either Truenamer or Nate.

JJJ susses Clem back and they crossvote.

I have routinely called myself "Papa Jay" on The Syndicate to see if it would take hold, but everyone just thought I was a creep. I'm going to consider this close enough and be very pleased with it.

Anyway, you're certainly right that I have been moving my votes around. It seems like a tough game! SDN is a talented bunch! All one can do is continue to interact with the game however necessary to try to end up in the right place, and that is ever my quest.

Mentions his vote bouncing.

Unfortunate. Good game, genny.

Reaction to a misyeet D1.

@Truenamer where are your reads currently at? I don't need a whole list (if you want to provide one, by all means), but I'm curious of your overall developing views.

Seeking opinions from people, even sketchy ones.

I haven't invoked player salad in a while since it's pretty much dead on The Syndicate, but I doubt anyone has brought it here. So. Player salad!

Hey, player salad again.

If there’s anything that I am not doing right now, it’s laugh. I’m starting to get cranky! Irritated! Mad babyrage!

(I’m confused, and I don’t think I have been able to effectively communicate why or to what extent, so *throws hands up*)

Expressing frustration with gamestate.

If there are three mafia and you are town, then this elimination would [probably] be the last mistake we are allowed. Accordingly, it could be an emergency. I don't sense much urgency from you. What's your mindset?

This is our current state. It's an emergency, if you will.

Closest I come to confident reads:
SportPonies is town.
Santygrass is town.

"Confident" is too strong a word, but in this environment I can only follow my gut reads:
Animal Midwife is town.
Clem is town.

If all of the above are correct, then one more town read still "solves" the game (at least from my own vantage point).

All of these people "look" town on some level or another, but there's also some part of my gut that resists that view:
Aprilthearab
Empire
NateTheLesser
PSV
Truenamer

If I can remove one of those names and move into the two tiers above, then it's fine. I don't actually have a clue which name that should be, but perhaps I can call upon a sort of SDN consensus for the names they know best.

If the SDN regulars had to lock one of these three as town (just pretend, please), which is best? April, PSV, or Truenamer?

Here again we see the town-centric behavior.

Clem hates me (said endearingly), voted me on Day 1 as his only suspect, and started Day 2 on me for a while before returning to Nate.

I would absolutely expect him to vote me.

Expecting and unsurprised by anti-Jay behavior from Clem. Important note: Clem and Jay were both town in this game.
Overall, my impression of his play is a genuine, earnest attempt to find and group with other villagers as well as to garner opinions from as many other players as possible on the gamestate. As well he jokes around some and remains "playful" and behaves slightly chaotically during voting.

Whew! We're at the halfway mark, folks. Take a breather, stretch, and then strap back in because we're returning to the trenches.

Spoiler: StardeWW 2

brb contacting my attorney to interpret mechanics

Again, first post is a joke.

In this playerlist, who do you think is the player who you can read with most confidence / accurately ?

This was directed toward JJJ.

That is a great question. I have by far the most experience with Clem, but I won't claim to have a consistent grasp on what He Is About. That leaves me with a bunch of people I have seldom played with, most just once or never. I think I have a decent understanding of Nate's process, so probably him if not Clem.

Interesting that Jay doesn't mention here. Lawpy, that would argue against your claim that lucy would notice JJJ wolfing.

I vibed very quickly with samac in my only other game here, and I think I see the seedlings of that sprouting here. I say so tentatively, because my previous game had no Day 0 and communal aggression was more immediate (including on samac's part, so this is a different situation). But I think her start is decent enough, and if last game is any indication I suspect she'd be a motivated mayor.

Join me, friends, in a journey of teamwork, kindness, and cooperation, where the innocents lost in games past and present are forever redeemed, and the guilty are allowed to understand the errors of their judgment without judgment (or maybe just a little).

A vote for JJJ as mayor is a vote for victory together. And a vote for victory alone. Together Alone.

I find it interesting that he endorses samac as mayor happily but also campaigns for mayor once given a general idea of what the mayor has done in past games.

I certainly did. And that’s what you can count on from a Mayor JJJ. Authenticity. Truth. I won’t capitulate to the demands of Big Mafia and just post any old thing to get elected. *positions self in front of waving flag, looking earnestly toward to future*

Continued campaigning.

@Zenge142 what's your view of Barky as a mayor candidate?

Here we see some of the tagging people for their opinions as seen in WWatch.

For some folks it seems to be so. What's your vibe?

pulling an Uno reverse on a question.

@Animal Midwife, I have been considering a parallel I have observed between this game and the previous game I played here (Time to Get a WWatch). In the early period of that game, you got into a lengthy exchange with Truenamer and one or two others about how you perceived his view of bussing, or how likely he would be to bus (something broadly about bussing). The dialogue ended up being irrelevant, because he was town and you were not. That was something I regretted not poking at a bit more effortfully in that game.

This time there's a similar exchange between you and Stagg. I'm not sure what relevance it holds in this game. It's a lengthy interchange about how well Stagg has read you in the past, and you drove your points home over the course of an hour or so. I realize there's not a lot you can say in response to this parallel, so I'll reduce it to a couple questions:

Why have this dialogue?
Would you say this is ordinary of you regardless of your affiliation?

Anyone else with a perspective on AM can absolutely share that, though I ask you please allow her to answer for herself first.

Feels like a beginning effort to shade AM.

As I begin to piece together process of elimination, here are some initial town reads/leans:

samac
Zenge
PSV
Barkley
miranda

samac would be the top town read, the other four are varying degrees of leans.

Here's the beginning of hunting for a town core like seen in WWatch, but with much less substantiation.

@Viscernable why did you eyeroll me?

Ah, the infamous eyeroll post.

Teamwork makes the dreamwork, friends.

On that note, my solving methods tend to be heavily POE-driven (i.e., I search for town more than I search for mafia). That's a little more difficult in this environment without experience with the playerbase, and I struggled with that some last game too. I'd appreciate if the SDN crew could share their own town reads in the game. That'd help me to interpret each of you individually and also conceptualize how a collective way forward may be forged.

Repeating the sentiments from WWatch.

Thanks b-stoat, and by all means do your thing. We don’t have to chat in real-time. Life is already too busy. Just a few posts to interact is appreciated whenever you are feeling it.

I’d be pleased to learn more about your views of Zenge and Vissy.

Specifically mentions Vis here.

unvote Nate
vote mighty

I'm a bit bugged by the bolded bit. The vibe is you're wrong, samac, but let me assuage your concerns before I tell you so.

This is where he switches to mighty.

There is much bummer. Angeries for AM.

Feels fake.

That would be kinda odd for coordinated wolf voting lol

Agreed. It's conceivable that it could be uncoordinated wolf voting. I don't think that's my first guess though. mighty looks like he is being taken for a ride.

Light defense of Stagg.

I wouldn't say I do have that meta, though I don't believe anyone truly does (or they're setting themselves up for failure). My general philosophy is to avoid bussing unless it seems absolutely necessary. I think mafia teams broadly overestimate how necessary and useful bussing is (or even just distancing), and that's especially true in role madness games. Pursuing "town credit" is less useful in a game where a single night action could neutralize it immediately.

Anyway I am talking about myself I understand, so folks can judge as they will.

Here's the self meta regarding bussing

When I ask myself who I have the weakest reasons to town read right now, I think it's miranda or genny.

deflating

Reacting to a misyeet. Again, feels fake/inauthentic when compared to the "good game genny" from above.

Also, this is a pretty classic example of a "player salad", and I am annoyed to not have noticed prior. It's an old tell that has come and gone on The Syndicate, but perhaps it's still alive here until exactly right now when I explain its existence.

I'm okay with voting out X, Y, Z, or maaaaaybe W is the prototypical form of the tell. It isn't uncommon for mafia to include teammates in these things, so that's something I will consider for PSV, miranda, and Lawpy.

Player salad!
So the overall vibe from this game is there are certainly superficial similarities to WWatch. He's doing a whole lot the same. But it feels inauthentic. There's an air of genuineness in WWatch that is lacking in this game. He seems overall... calmer. More scripted. Certainly not the same I'M ON FIRE sentiment I've been having recently.

 

[Lawpy]

Engaged

 

[Lawpy]

Interesting that Jay doesn't mention here. Lawpy, that would argue against your claim that lucy would notice JJJ wolfing.

That post shows Jays has more experience with Clems than Lucy. Unless this is the first game where Jays and Lucy played together.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Sooo whatcha doing with those responses, surveymonkey.com?

Tbh sounds like more of a “asking questions just to look busy” kind of venture to me

I agree with asking questions but the questions you asked don’t seem useful to me and mostly seem to invite dragging on a fight that could become one of those pretty-off-topic vicious fights that demoralize and exhaust people. But then people don’t always see value in questions I feel are important to ask, so I probably can’t throw too many stones.

Because I don’t think this exchange is going anywhere and it’s more productive for me to drop it and see if your questioning methods make more sense to me later. I do like your post on samac.

Of them, Stagg’s vote movement right when mighty couldn’t be saved is spooky.

While abrasive, none of this is out of the realm of wolf theatre imo for someone with dickwolf and #LOVE2BUS in her signature.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

That post shows Jays has more experience with Clems than Lucy. Unless this is the first game where Jays and Lucy played together.

Correct. Did you miss the part where Clem misread Jay?

 

[Lawpy]

Light defense of Stagg.

Wait how is that a light defense of Staggs?

 

[Lawpy]

Establishing a rather tenuous, not so great read rate here. Clem has read Jay accurately in the past and also has read him inaccurately.

Hmm

 

[Lawpy]

@Animal Midwife and @Stagg737

What do you feel you learned, if anything, from your exchanges last night about your abilities to read one another?

I learned that after at least our sixth time having this argument, I am still correct and will continue to be correct.



That's it, I'm disowning you.

Did the discussion inform your view of this game and/or Animal Midwife?

Meh, not really. Was in line with other typical AM interactions.

Responses appreciated!

Sooo whatcha doing with those responses, surveymonkey.com?

While abrasive, none of this is out of the realm of wolf theatre imo for someone with dickwolf and #LOVE2BUS in her signature.

Vissy’s post comes across as trying to dismiss Jays for questioning Staggs.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I appreciate the hustle, but you've taken numerous quotes from one past game, spoken well of them, and then taken posts from this game that you acknowledge bear similarities, and describe them as "inauthentic" or "fake".

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have played I think two or three games with lucy.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I appreciate the hustle, but you've taken numerous quotes from one past game, spoken well of them, and then taken posts from this game that you acknowledge bear similarities, and describe them as "inauthentic" or "fake".

I cannot voice what feels off about them except that they don't feel they're coming from a genuine place.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Vissy’s post comes across as trying to dismiss Jays for questioning Staggs.

Not out of the realm of theatre.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Again, this is where we are.
I'm village.
Lawpy is village per god read and the Stagg fight, which I think is NOT theatre.
miranda COULD be the last wolf, but I don't think so, and SAR had high confidence in her being village.

Soooooo

 

[Lawpy]

I have played I think two or three games with lucy.

Well that’s out. Lucy’s read not reliable so scrapping that.

Clems’s not 100% read rate is also problematic but need to be careful to avoid the Barky Trap

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Clems’s not 100% read rate is also problematic but need to be careful to avoid the Barky Trap

The what?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I cannot voice what feels off about them except that they don't feel they're coming from a genuine place.

I'm struggling to find your read coming from a genuine place.

Throughout this LyLo you have seemed to be trying your best to cram a square peg into a round hole. You opened by asking for claims. Before I even answered, you dumped a big mechanical case against me. You essentially cleared miranda and Lawpy immediately. I sense no turbulence or confusion from you. I sense that you chose to attack me and are doing little else. Everyone else still alive in this game has expressed some kind of uncertainty, frustration, or confusion about the state of affairs. You have called me a wolf and then repeatedly moved the goalposts when met with protest.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Lawpy, if you think it's me, can I ask what you're basing that off of?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think any player other than Sloonei has anything close to a 100% read rate on me (y'all don't know him, but he's the season 7 champion and my better clone).

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm struggling to find your read coming from a genuine place.

Throughout this LyLo you have seemed to be trying your best to cram a square peg into a round hole. You opened by asking for claims. Before I even answered, you dumped a big mechanical case against me. You essentially cleared miranda and Lawpy immediately. I sense no turbulence or confusion from you. I sense that you chose to attack me and are doing little else. Everyone else still alive in this game has expressed some kind of uncertainty, frustration, or confusion about the state of affairs. You have called me a wolf and then repeatedly moved the goalposts when met with protest.

I will not disagree with this assessment. I acknowledge it. The problem is, I know exactly what I am, as stated many times. Lawpy is driving me insane right now, but I believe he is village. I cannot get over how supremely wonky it would be to kill an ardent supporter right before LyLo and that's keeping me from going to Miranda.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will not disagree with this assessment. I acknowledge it. The problem is, I know exactly what I am, as stated many times. Lawpy is driving me insane right now, but I believe he is village. I cannot get over how supremely wonky it would be to kill an ardent supporter right before LyLo and that's keeping me from going to Miranda.

Do you think it's more reasonable to wonder if Santygrass lied about his role on purpose as town than to wonder if miranda is mafia? It's hard to believe.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Do you think it's more reasonable to wonder if Santygrass lied about his role on purpose as town than to wonder if miranda is mafia? It's hard to believe.

Honestly, I don't really care whether the person I'm pretty positive is the last wolf believes me.

 

[Lawpy]

The what?

The Barky Trap refers to viewing AM’s imperfect read on Barky as unreliable because of the rare incident where AM misread Barky before.

What’s problematic though is Clems and Jays played together on SDN once before… and Clems misread Jays. So technically Clems accurate read rate of Jays on SDN is 0%. I don’t know what the read rate is on The Syndicate or MU or anywhere else.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm not going to say I'm not playing Tetris with mechanics. I don't understand what's going on and a lot of this game hasn't made any sense to me.
But I smell a wolf.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I couldn't put a number on it, but Clem caught me in two of my more recent mafia-aligned games. He doesn't totally get me, but I think he has learned some inklings of something about how I play.

 

[Lawpy]

I don't think any player other than Sloonei has anything close to a 100% read rate on me (y'all don't know him, but he's the season 7 champion and my better clone).

Get him to play on SDN pls