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Can you explain your rationale for this last minute switch off the tie? Why did you wait until last possible second to do so, as that reads super sketch, ya know?

Agree. And disagree. I get that last minute is super sketch, but, at the same time, I could see a villager doing it as well... avoiding the possible back and forth last minute lynch waffling if they were to switch off the tie earlier because people would analyze that and possibly switch votes. But, yeah, mostly see it as wolfy.

Whenever Dubz is "just too late" with her posts, it makes me cringe. She likes to pull that as a wolf. Last time she was a wolf she was "packing" so she didn't have time to respond to me until lynch was already over.

She did this last game I played with her. I called her on it and she was village. So not really a slam dunk Dubz wolf tell in my opinion.
 
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The Dead's Unofficial Lynch Tally

genny (6)
- LIS, WZ, finn, Jil, Kam, allieh
STL (1) - Ceke
Cyndia (1) - STL
allieh (1) - raf
Ski (1) - Pippy

10/22
lynch close in ~ 3.5 hours
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Expanding on this, I'm not grumpy because they voted for me per se (that does make me grumpy but not enough for retaliation), I'm grumpy because when I asked for reasons I wasn't given any, and when I went back to look through I realized it was because there were no reasons. So, sketchy in my mind. I may be biased.

Biased against votes against you.... no way.

But really, any other reason for suspicions on those players other than them not having reasons for being suspicious of you?
 
I think my feels are mainly based on you calling out little details in what people said - seems like stretching to find sketchy things D1 which seems wolfy to me.

Is there a different way to play D1? Or even D2? Isn't it the "little details" in people's posts that most people go off of in early game to get a lynch vote?
 
Looks like Britzen moved, too.

On the gifs -- I know Ceke was auto-correcting to Cake on at least a few devices...I am kinda tempted to test the info to see if it's useful or just drunk mumbling.

I find you wanting to test anonymous things a bit odd. You are usually a little more careful than that. 1/2 a mark to wolf side.
 
Lynch genny

That last second switch in voting was shady af, especially when she was on earlier and could have switched then or tried more to defend.

See, I don't find the last second swap all that shady.

I find the not defending more shady.

And I am going to be upset if @WildZoo has killed the Jil emojis for the game... we can't keeping using it as a reading.
 
See, I don't find the last second swap all that shady.

I find the not defending more shady.

And I am going to be upset if @WildZoo has killed the Jil emojis for the game... we can't keeping using it as a reading.
Seriously... used my ability on Snowy, who said it sounded villager. It's like the village has lost all concept of subtlety in how to play WW. I'm not interested in telegraphing it to everyone. If Snowy is a wolf, I'll be dead soon anyway.
 
First she was just copying others. Now she is a miracle noob?

I quite like the sound of this.


This is seriously suspicious posting here. We all know noobs are completely clueless who have no independent thoughts and most definitely can not problem solve. Must not leave them alone.

I can barely be trusted with scissors, let alone a noose.
 
Reasons why for these four?

Biased against votes against you.... no way.

But really, any other reason for suspicions on those players other than them not having reasons for being suspicious of you?
Genny I've talked about. BBC and snowy...I may have paid more attention to it because they were votes for me, but like I said a vote for me/suspicion of me doesn't automatically make me suspicious. It's the way they framed their votes. BBC had some post that she never actually pointed to, plus I'm not sure what game she's talking about where she was right about me d1. Snowy talked about actual reasons to be suspicious of other people, then voted for me based on feels instead, and the reasoning she gave for it was pretty rridiculous. I like to think it would have made me suspicious even if they were voting for someone else.
Rabbott just kinda ended up there after I did my rearranging. Nothing that screams wolf but his posts so far have been pretty much useless. Perhaps a little too useless though. I'm not too committed to that one.
 
Seriously... used my ability on Snowy, who said it sounded villager. It's like the village has lost all concept of subtlety in how to play WW. I'm not interested in telegraphing it to everyone. If Snowy is a wolf, I'll be dead soon anyway.
The problem I'm grappling with is I don't trust snowy, nor do I necessarily trust her judgment of what would be a village ability, or anybody's really, because what abilities haven't been wolf abilities at this point?

I am interested in why you chose her in particular.
 
Genny I've talked about. BBC and snowy...I may have paid more attention to it because they were votes for me, but like I said a vote for me/suspicion of me doesn't automatically make me suspicious. It's the way they framed their votes. BBC had some post that she never actually pointed to, plus I'm not sure what game she's talking about where she was right about me d1. Snowy talked about actual reasons to be suspicious of other people, then voted for me based on feels instead, and the reasoning she gave for it was pretty rridiculous. I like to think it would have made me suspicious even if they were voting for someone else.
Rabbott just kinda ended up there after I did my rearranging. Nothing that screams wolf but his posts so far have been pretty much useless. Perhaps a little too useless though. I'm not too committed to that one.

Agree on BBC and Rabbott. Pointed that out about BBC a couple times last night.


Tops...

BBC- still no response to the post that she said made her suspicious of WZ. If you are going to say it, back it up.
Rabbott- minimal posting/mostly useless posts
LoTF- Still not posting much.
Genny- same as everyone else, though I always get uneasy when everyone agrees and a bandwagon takes off, however, think this is an egg that just needs to be cracked and answered at this point.

I am sure there are others that I could stick in there but those are just the ones most jumping out at me.

Lynch Genny
 
I'm not as on board with the genny lynch as of right now. Going to dinner soon so I'm going to

lynch LOTF


because of her weird posts yesterday and today I kind of forgot she was even playing, which always gives me major feelz when I completely forget about a player.
 
The problem I'm grappling with is I don't trust snowy, nor do I necessarily trust her judgment of what would be a village ability, or anybody's really, because what abilities haven't been wolf abilities at this point?

I am interested in why you chose her in particular.
Because she voted for me early, and I screwed her over last game. She's coming across as village to me, much more so than you are.
 
Because she voted for me early, and I screwed her over last game. She's coming across as village to me, much more so than you are.
Lol I don't see what your read of me has to do with it, but ok. Just wanted to know your motivations.
 
I wasn't feeling Genny yesterday, but I don't think that's how I would react in her situation as a villager.

I'd definitely switch to PBC to save myself, but earlier in that last 30, not timed a minute before close. As a wolf I've definitely pulled the vote flip at 9:59--you want to hold onto the swap as long as possible to assess whether you need to use it, reduce risk someone sees it as sketchy and reacts with a counter swap, etc. Am just generally more cautious/calculated as a wolf up for lynch than as a villager and this could fall in that wagon.

Will wait for Snowy to weigh in.

Eh I feel that genny plays more fun and takes things less seriously as a villager. Last game she was all analysis and reasoning so everyone thought she was village. I could see a village genny doing that more then a wolf genny.

Also don't think I'd announce who I used my ability on before night close if I was hoping to use it to prove my innocence.

Well didn't think of that. So to clear things up: I was blocked (or jailed couldn't tell) last night. Could have been genny could have been someone who saw her post that and tried to mess things up.

Looks like Britzen moved, too.

On the gifs -- I know Ceke was auto-correcting to Cake on at least a few devices...I am kinda tempted to test the info to see if it's useful or just drunk mumbling.

Um doesn't really matter because we don't know what affiliation it is coming from.

Lynch Ski

Because of a combo of low # of posts with content + defensive & preachy

This is kinda a weird vote imo. Did you mention you thought ski was sketch before now? What do you think is defensive she's said? Just curious.

Also maybe worth noting that this is the second day in a row that Cyndia said she would like to vote for genny, but has not actually done it on either day.

Has she voted yet?

Is there a different way to play D1? Or even D2? Isn't it the "little details" in people's posts that most people go off of in early game to get a lynch vote?

hehe Yeah not very good explanation. It was late when I was trying to words. It's just the way she was going about it that sounded off for a villager.

Genny I've talked about. BBC and snowy...I may have paid more attention to it because they were votes for me, but like I said a vote for me/suspicion of me doesn't automatically make me suspicious. It's the way they framed their votes. BBC had some post that she never actually pointed to, plus I'm not sure what game she's talking about where she was right about me d1. Snowy talked about actual reasons to be suspicious of other people, then voted for me based on feels instead, and the reasoning she gave for it was pretty rridiculous. I like to think it would have made me suspicious even if they were voting for someone else.
Rabbott just kinda ended up there after I did my rearranging. Nothing that screams wolf but his posts so far have been pretty much useless. Perhaps a little too useless though. I'm not too committed to that one.

BBC is also pinging my radar, but it's probably because she hasn't checked in yet today so I don't have many posts to go off. I agree that her vote for you was weird.
 
Cray only posted a couple times today and they were short concise thoughts... Suspicious..
 
Sorry I was MIA last night. We got an infectious pig in at work which meant respirators and fun times, so I didn't get home until after close.

I'm feeling Snowy, mostly for these comments:

So many pages...

Oh haha I didn't really think about whether there was a conversion last game or 4 original wolves.

Genny has not been super quiet.

Weird comment - if WZ is a wolf will look at genny.

Snowy quotes something Dubz said that had already been pointed out and discussed by others earlier - which makes her observation less exciting, and looks like she's trying to contribute strategy without having to come up with it herself.

I think my feels are mainly based on you calling out little details in what people said - seems like stretching to find sketchy things D1 which seems wolfy to me.

Which is what we do D1 . . . isn't it? And any day, for that matter? It's looking at minutia and inconsistencies to catch out wolves. I don't like the Snow on Dubz action.

Ceke has posted quite a lot of non-game related comments. That's at least somewhat normal for her? I think we've only done one game together. It feels like trying to look active without posting strategy, and I don't like it.

I think others did a great job explaining why the timing was shady. I also didn’t like how genny announced who she was using her ability on while it was still night. I can’t really figure out what the logic was there. No matter what her affiliation is, genny had pretty much zero chance of being wolf or chaos killed last night, so no need to announce what she was doing.

I cannot find the post you're referencing. Did Genny announce this in a pm or on the thread?

Genny's snark is much high than last game, which gives me village vibes. This progression of posts:

lynch genny

I was relatively comfortable with where my vote was yesterday and haven't yet seen anything that makes me want to change it.

You sound like me when I was trying to get Snowy lynched last game :thinking:

lynch finn

Haven't seen a reason to change my original vote from yesterday.

Finn sounds like wolf-Genny sounds like Finn. Okay then. 😵 When we wolfed together last game she posted pretty conservatively and kept snark/jokes minimal. I see where the votes from her are coming from, but I'm reading her play as more village than wolf.

I'd like to
Lynch Snowy
 
Well didn't think of that. So to clear things up: I was blocked (or jailed couldn't tell) last night. Could have been genny could have been someone who saw her post that and tried to mess things up.

Not sure why someone would block -you- if they were trying to block genny after she announced she’d be using her ability on you. Blocking is frustrating because it truly can be villager or wolf...I think it tends to swing more wolf though. This combined with genny’s other actions are making me comfortable keeping my vote where it is.
 
Top wolf leans: BBC, WZ, Finn, allie

I think I'm going to go with allie today. Voting for people who haven't checked in yet is more of a throwaway vote which doesn't require analysis of any posts. And her vote for genny today seems to just be restating what everyone else has already said.

Lynch allie
 
Top wolf leans: BBC, WZ, Finn, allie

I think I'm going to go with allie today. Voting for people who haven't checked in yet is more of a throwaway vote which doesn't require analysis of any posts. And her vote for genny today seems to just be restating what everyone else has already said.

Lynch allie
What's your rationale specifically for BBC?
 
Not sure why someone would block -you- if they were trying to block genny after she announced she’d be using her ability on you. Blocking is frustrating because it truly can be villager or wolf...I think it tends to swing more wolf though. This combined with genny’s other actions are making me comfortable keeping my vote where it is.

lol okay well my comment I just posted about not having original thoughts on your genny vote is out with this. Um my thing said something about feeling slightly safe as well as other stuff so I was thinking more of a jailer which is more of a village ability.
 
####lynch snowy###

I said I would likely waffle off, but looking at who thought that my vote was weird, seems like the same people who I feel are bandwagoning genny for reasons that are beyond me.

Plus people who I'm leaning village on, also find Snowy sketch.

I wonder if the wolf pack are trying to get us on genny, and trying to throw shade on me for going for Snowy.

Plus I like to keep my votes consistent. I'm willing to stay on Snowy since today didn't bring my attention closely elsewhere.
 
My Feelz for today

Ceke
For what seems to be an attempt to manufacture sketch where there is none, and votes that seem crazy-pants. (Trying to be objective and not just pissy that they basically called me stupid yesterday.)

Reasons:
1. Their STL vote: Rabbot made, what seemed imo, to be sort of a joke post (OMG, there’s a hidden message in STL’s post!). Ceke runs with that hook, line, and sinker and votes for STL today with no other reason for the vote.
2. Their vote vs. me: Flipped her vote off of Genny, who looks suspicious as all get out. Hyper-focused on me for some really weak BS that she can’t even really explain. Seems like maybe she was voting for a fellow wolf and needed to fabricate an excuse to switch her vote and try to prevent the genny lynch.
3. The fact that she is most suspicious of me, LIS, and DVM – aka pretty much everybody who has disagreed with her the hardest. Trying to cast doubt on everybody who thinks you are sketch seems awfully wolfy to me.
4. Drunk gif text could go either way as evidence, or mean nothing at all. The cake gif really seems like a reference to ceke, though. Not necessarily sketchy, but does make me want to pay more attention here.


Crayola
1. Still liking my vote from yesterday for the same reasons.
2. Added sketch that she went very quiet yesterday and all day today. Seems suspicious, like maybe she’s a wolf trying to take the heat off of herself. Not much new info though, so will circle back to her later.


Genny
1.For the same reasons as yesterday.
2. Added sketch: her level of continued combativeness and coarseness. (Still interested to hear if boorishness is her normal play style, but since no one has said anything about it, I’m assuming yes.)
3. Her last minute vote swap could go either way for me. The consensus seems to be from more experience players that it’s super sketchy, but I could also see an earlier switch being looked upon as sketchy and resulting in more votes getting racked up anyway. Seems kind of like you’re screwed either way there.

Also worried about people who are participating at a medium-low level and flying under the radar. I feel like we got burned hard by that last game, but need to think more about how to ferret that out.

At the risk of it just seeming like a retaliatory vote:
Lynch ceke
 
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Unlynch Genny

Reading through some things again but will probably join PBC on the snowy lynch. Not liking how she basically outted genny's ability.

How do you know it is her abiltiy? it could be someone elses? And even if it is her ability, she did have the most votes so we might have a dead villager on our hands anyways. What was I suppose to say? Nothing? :eyebrow:
 
What's your rationale specifically for BBC?

Talking about busyness and "I'll quote this/respond to that later" and never doing so. But she has only posted 3 times so I'm going to wait to hear more from her before I would vote that way.
 
Saw a couple more posts, but nothing that makes me change my slight wolf feels on rabbott.
Since I have a dearth of posts, thereby making me suspicious, you must be ultra-safe since you have made 97 posts so far.
 
Unlynch Genny

Reading through some things again but will probably join PBC on the snowy lynch. Not liking how she basically outted genny's ability.
Earlier you kinda implied that Snowy knowing genny's ability didn't clear genny. But now it seems like you think it maybe does?
 
See, I don't find the last second swap all that shady.

I find the not defending more shady.

And I am going to be upset if @WildZoo has killed the Jil emojis for the game... we can't keeping using it as a reading.
That was never actually a thing. I use emojis all the time. 🙂😉🙁😡😕😎😛😀😱😳🙄😵:android::angelic::arghh::artist::asshat::astronaut::clown::bear::beaver::bigtears::blackeye::bookworm::bored::borg::brb::bucktooth::cat::chicken::cigar::clown::cold::coldfeet::couchpotato::cow::cyclops::dead::depressed::doctor::droid::drowning::pacifier::pacifier1::eggface::greedy:👽:grumpy::happy::headphone::hilarious::hungover::hungry::hurting::inpain::pirate::joyful::kiss::link::lock::lurking::mask::meh::mooning::nailbiting::nurse::oldman::panda::peeking::penguin::phantom::pics::pigeon::playful::pompous::punch::rage::yeahright::shy::singing::smug::smuggrin::snaphappy::sorry::sour::spitoutpacifier::stinkyfeet::stop::turtle::vamp::vomit::vulcan::wacky::watching::wideyed::heckyeah::writer::yawn::yuck::zombie::barefoot:🤐😢😊😍🤢😴😏🤔:whistle:🙈:naughty::scared::idea:👍👎:laugh:😍:luck::xf::hardy::roflcopter::highfive::ninja::eyebrow::soexcited::barf::clap::horns::bow:+pity+:wow:+pissed++pad+:spam::owle::flame::=|:-)::nod::nono::sendoff::shrug::caution::woot::uhno::poke::slap::claps::prof::whoa::lame::smack::help::troll:😏:bang::annoyed::hello:😆:bullcrap::banana::beat::hijacked::welcome::biglove::corny::boom::zip::diebanana::wtf:🤣:thinking:

There, now I can say I’ve honestly used every sdn emoji. Also, what is the difference between :sendoff: and :caution:, like what do the red and yellow cards mean?
Seriously... used my ability on Snowy, who said it sounded villager. It's like the village has lost all concept of subtlety in how to play WW. I'm not interested in telegraphing it to everyone. If Snowy is a wolf, I'll be dead soon anyway.
Snowy did NOT say it sounded village, she said it could go either way. That’s another wolf point for you. :nono:
 
This is kinda a weird vote imo. Did you mention you thought ski was sketch before now? What do you think is defensive she's said? Just curious.
Nope, I don't think I did mention. Doesn't mean I wasn't thinking it. I also justified that vote with a sampling of the quotes that bugged me, which I'm assuming you read?
 
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The Dead's Unofficial Lynch Tally

genny (6)
- LIS, finn, Jil, Kam, allieh, DVMD
STL (1) - Ceke
Cyndia (1) - STL
allieh (2) - raf, Snowy
Ski (1) - Pippy
LOTF (1) - Ski
finn (1) - genny
Snowy (2) - PBC, Crayola
Ceke (1) - britzen

16/22
lynch close in ~ 1 hour
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