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LOL.

Guess I thought I was dealing with a crowd sane enough to realize no one with any sense would do what STL seems to think I did.

Go for it bud, let your freak flag fly. It's that kind of game this round.
 
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Kam325 said:
LOL.

Guess I thought I was dealing with a sane enough crowd to realize no one with any sense would do what STL seems to think I did.

Go for it bud, let your freak flag fly. It's that kind of game this round.
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I think pip infected him with some of her paranoia, must be why she's a little more sane this game 😉
 
Kam325 said:
LOL.

Guess I thought I was dealing with a sane enough crowd to realize no one with any sense would do what STL seems to think I did.

Go for it bud, let your freak flag fly. It's that kind of game this round.
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Second question, why didn't you
Inform us we were walking into a tie, knowing you were just going to say it afterward? Or were you only going to say it afterwards in a certain scenario? 🙂
 
All I ask is that once the game if over you look at yourself and feel intense shame for how relentlessly stupid you're being. :kiss:

SummerTheLynx said:
Second question, why didn't you
Inform us we were walking into a tie, knowing you were just going to say it afterward? Or were you only going to say it afterwards in a certain scenario? 🙂
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Kam325 said:
All I ask is that once the game if over you look at yourself and feel intense shame for how relentlessly stupid you're being. :kiss:
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Really, I am asking very simple questions, these don't take hard answers. What was going through your mind that made you want a tie? Or was fine with us getting a tie, but having you fess up afterwards. You avoiding the question isn't helping your cause.
 
But for the slower among us...

A.) Because I think Britzen's a wolf and didn't want them to know and adjust accordingly
B.) Because then I'd have to give away my ability, which I've obviously had to do anyway to satisfy the dense.

Bet you're pleased as punch right now eh Britzy?
 
And C) do you have legitimate evidence Britz is a wolf? If so, it might have actually been nice to know that during the lunch.

If we saw people adjust that gives us information. We can go back and be like "hmm, this person did a last minute flip flop, that's hella sketch, etc." so it's to our benefit when that is out there. And if you were wrong on Britz and two villagers went down?

And you immediately came on and gave that away, without being provoked to do so. So don't say we forced it out of you.
 
I like him, he's just nuts. No hard feelings.

Dude you're the only one here who thinks you're onto something so I'm going to disengage.
 
DVMDream said:
I think Kam and STL just need to go to separate corners for a time out....or maybe they need a private room... :naughty:

Honestly not seeing the big deal with what Kam did... :shrug:
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I guess it's more of an issue of the following:
1) in the past, kam has not been a proponent of ties.
2) she intentional made it so it would be a tie, with no heads up, but wasn't protecting her role info as she came out right after lunch to say she was the cause (presumably without info that Brit is a wolf)
3) it just seems so deliberate how this was done, it was done so it would be seen as no big deal. Yea, no one is going to go along with me on this, and yes I will drop it. If she comes back a wolf end game, I won't even say a word.
Edit: 4) initial lying about role info and ninja editing didn't help her cause
 
I didn't "intentionally" make it a tie, I was literally the very first person to vote today. My vote counts for two. It became a tie when DVMD voted for Britzen right at the end of lynch.

You would have preferred I switched to 3m to break the tie no one else knew about, fine, but that's not how I wanted to use my vote. I wanted to vote for Britzen, and I was fine with a tie between two sketchy characters because she's (he's?) who I wanted to see lynched.

And I love ties, I don't know what you're on about.
 
Kam325 said:
But for the slower among us...

A.) Because I think Britzen's a wolf and didn't want them to know and adjust accordingly
B.) Because then I'd have to give away my ability, which I've obviously had to do anyway to satisfy the dense.

Bet you're pleased as punch right now eh Britzy?
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What would have happened if it had been a tie? Edit: Ignore, answered.
 
SummerTheLynx said:
I guess it's more of an issue of the following:
1) in the past, kam has not been a proponent of ties.
2) she intentional made it so it would be a tie, with no heads up, but wasn't protecting her role info as she came out right after lunch to say she was the cause (presumably without info that Brit is a wolf)
3) it just seems so deliberate how this was done, it was done so it would be seen as no big deal. Yea, no one is going to go along with me on this, and yes I will drop it. If she comes back a wolf end game, I won't even say a word.
Edit: 4) initial lying about role info and ninja editing didn't help her cause
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Meh. I just think it would be wolf suicide to do that but if you want to pop a blood vessel in your forehead stewing on it, go for it. I'm just not going to think on it that hard. Maybe not the greatest way to go about it but not really nefarious in my mind either.
 
For the Kam/Blitzen/3M saga to work would probably have to involve the sorts of leaps of strategy and logic I'm not sure even I'm capable of. I can't see Kam being that stupid as to basically commit wolf suicide and take down another potential wolf with her. Most people who play WW on here don't seem to take regular leave of their senses, present company excluded of course.
 
Posts of Kam involving ties as searched on SDN:
Immunology game: "Unlynch MJ Lynch Gwen to break the tie."
Wwar of the wworlds: "Don't know what's so perplexing, miss "oh I'm just going to switch my vote from a leading candidate to a distant third party and create a tie la dee daaaa":
Veronica Mars: "Have at it. :laugh:

Sure, there are reasons to avoid ties. But get in the habit of folding off the egg you want cracked because you're afraid of a tie and you just give the wolves one more tool to manipulate you with." (was a wolf)
Minecraft WW: "Unlynch Finn because I think it's a tie again and I'd rather avoid that."
Camp WWorld: "If I'm lynched with three votes despite role revealing and defending all damn day long.... :yeahright:

I'll switch to STL to force a tie if I have to but it's not my favorite option."
WW Asylum: "Driving! Unlynch Dev. Lynch Hmoo. No tie please."
WW Infiltrated: "I'll

Unlynch Caiter, lynch Aloha

to break the tie, though it's not what I prefer."
His Dark Materials: "Read back through the end of lynch, and DVMD makes a good point. Epi definitely seemed to be around as lynch was closing, acknowledged TP's role reveal, but kept her vote, preserving the tie. What's the most typical tie result, both get killed? Attractive prospects for a wolf."
Christmas WW: "Lissa's been flying under the radar and has some sketchy vote history--brought TRH up to tie with Doc and Fancy during L1, said the Rojo/SOV thing was probably a coincidence and voted Genny first instead, jumping back on later, and voted for MJ yesterday over the alternatives (one of whom was Chillbo)."

Edit: Context of WW infiltrated was not referring to her not preferring the tie, but her not preferring the person to lynch, which is antithetical to what she did here.


So, no Kam, you are lying. You historically do not "love ties" as you just said.
 
Dude dial it back, this is obviously not a wolf ploy and you're getting yourself all worked up.
 
Kam325 said:
Dude dial it back, this is obviously not a wolf ploy and you're getting yourself all worked up.
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So why are you lying and ninja editing? Literally, if you had let it go a second ago, and didn't call me a liar by saying you "love ties," I was done. You are being sketchy af.
DVMDream said:
That blood vessel has fully burst.

Are those 1970's WW games?
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Literally just took the first page of search results of posts by kam with the word tie in them.
 
britzen said:
I can't even keep up with this game long enough to do a deep dive on the current thread, and STL's over here practically swimming in the Marianas Trench...
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Each person has a meta that you pick up on over time, when they divert from their meta it's often a good sign of being nefarious. Meta, mets, meta @DVMDream 😉
 
Ceke2002 said:
Lynch or don't lynch, I've already made my case as a villager. I'm going to be pretty flat out with house hunting plans and getting ready to head interstate for a couple of days, so its not like I'm going to really be able to contribute much to the game anyway - which apparently I'm not doing as it is. This will be my last WW game as well, I enjoy playing with everyone, but it seems the feeling is most assuredly not mutual so I will get out of everyone's way and let you guys get back to just having your usual fun. That's not sour grapes either, I'm not one to barge my way into something once its become apparent that I'm not welcome. I'll edit the WW upcoming games as well to remove mine also.

If the lynch does go my way, then happy wolf hunting for the rest of the game, hopefully the village will win.
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Guys, it's just for this sort of thing, that I keep saying that there's a kinder way to play this game. Personally I think it's crap to crap on the players that are committed, willing to talk, have the time to play in game after game after game,and bring the numbers. Keeping the chain going so the more busy people can pop in and out of the ever running games as they have time to play a WW.

Ceke, I'm willing play games with you, or to try to help you co-mod a game, in whatever venue you like, if WW in general still appeals to you and you could use the numbers/help.
 
Crayola227 said:
Guys, it's just for this sort of thing, that I keep saying that there's a kinder way to play this game. Personally I think it's crap to crap on the players that are committed, willing to talk, have the time to play in game after game after game,and bring the numbers. Keeping the chain going so the more busy people can pop in and out of the ever running games as they have time to play a WW.

Ceke, I'm willing play games with you, or to try to help you co-mod a game, in whatever venue you like, if WW in general still appeals to you and you could use the numbers/help.
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Thanks, I appreciate that. Sometimes people just aren't a good fit for certain game groups though, and having someone in a game who is little but a distraction kind of takes away from it for everyone else. Maybe this just isn't the game for me. 🙂
 
Well that's interesting. You try to kill me because you think I'm sketch (totally fair if I'm being honest, I've been way too quiet, but that's due way more to real life stuff then game stuff).
 
SummerTheLynx said:
Or you are trying to protect MMM. You know, I don't really recall you being all so in favor of ties in the past, so it's quite interesting that you make a tie and do it without giving us a heads up. I had you as neutral, but this pushes you to wolf lean
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Kam has so reason to protect me. Worked out nicely for me because yesterday was some seriously bad timing, so thanks Kam, but with me knowing that I don't have any special ability to cancel a lynch, I totally believe what Kam is saying.
 
PippyPony said:
Well hold up, we don't know that it was that. Even if it was a tie, if RNG swung it to 3M and she had an avoidance, then this is what we'd see as the result.

But nice of Kam to give her an out so she can now claim she doesn't have a lynch avoidance on top of what she pseudo-revealed to me as an ability.
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I'm not sure what you think my ability is, but I'm pretty sure you're probably not right. Asking you if you experienced anything weird during a night hardly qualifies as role-revealing.
 
PippyPony said:
Although speaking of other candidates, I haven't heard enough from @mmmdreamerz either on the thread or in PM the last couple of days. Where you at, 3M?
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Yes, I fell off the face of the earth, and that's fair however, the part about not responding to PM is kind of crap. I PMed you and it took you almost two days to get back to me and suddenly I do the same thing (you were still posting on the thread, I was seriously just not here) but I'm sketch for it? Idk that part rubs me the wrong way.
 
whiskey.jpg

It looks like an entire night and day of no deaths was too good to be true. Everyone got too relaxed last night and let down their guard. The wolves took advantage of this and while the rest of us were cleaning up, they locked @PippyPony in the freezer, Pippy's content froze over and the can burst open

23. @PippyPony Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer - who could ask the mods a question each night, and received a mostly incoherent response.

But the tragedy wasn't over yet, I went to reach for my favorite whiskey to help deal with all the horrible events of the past few days, but @SummerTheLynx was no where to be found. We all grouped together to form a search party amongst the rubble, and eventually found what was left of the wolves onslaught on STL.....its too much....I can't even describe the scene 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

12. @SummerTheLynx - Angel's Envy Whiskey, who could resurrect one person with his heavenly grace taste.


@raf2769 and @mmmdreamerz sought comfort in each others' arms last night.

It is now Day 6 lynch close @ 2200
_ _ __ ___ ____ ______ __________ ______ ____ ___ __ _ _​


Roster

I’ll come out for ONE drink
1. @LetItSnow

Shots? SHOTS!
2. @TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo
5. @PrincessButterCup - Maker's Mark Whiskey

Awkward First Date
6. @Kam325
7. @DVMDream

What Happened Last Night?
9. @Ceke2002
8. @SkiOtter
10. @Crayola227

I Knew I Should Have Stayed Home
14. @WildZoo
15. @Cyndia

Winos
17. @allieh8607

Whiskey Aficionados
21. @LadyOtheFarm
22. @britzen

Trying to Recreate the College Days
Looks like everyone has decided to grow up and move on 🙁

It looks like we might die, so you wanna....?
18. @raf2769
24. @mmmdreamerz

19. @Animal Midwife - Southern Tier Pumking Beer
20. @tartesos - Malibu "Rum"
13. @genny - Jack Daniels Whiskey
16. @Jilary - Strongbow Cider
3. @SnowshoeDog143 - St. George Absinthe
11. @finnickthedog - Water
4. @rabbott1971 - Tanqueray Gin
12. @SummerTheLynx - [B][COLOR=#00b300]Angel's Envy Whiskey[/COLOR][/B]
23. @PippyPony -[COLOR=#00b300] [B]Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer[/B][/COLOR]
 
WildZoo said:
I only ask because they were your only super sketchy suspects, and we probably have at least 3 wolves left to find. So if you don't think they're both wolves, I was interested in who your top 3 (or 4 if we're unlucky) were for remaining pack members.
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my opinion on order of Least --> Most questionable right now. Bottom could be the wolf pack, but there’s probably somebody flying under the radar.


SkiOtter - confirmed village
PBC - rezzed
WZ - cancelled kills
LoTF - pms/thread comments heavily lean village
LetItSnow - NSTR
BBC - making trackers; quiet, but generally NSTR
DVMD - NSTR
raf -NSTR
allieh - others have called out sketch
kam - would have put her higher before last night, but the ninja post/tie makes me
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m3 - lack of defense last night seems believable given the hour she was on this morning, but way too quiet, like BBC's read
Cyndia - only one in the WZ/STL/Cyndia kerfluffle who isn't cleared
Cray- same reasons
Ceke - waffling off of her and onto cray (for now) because ceke's post earlier seemed really genuine and I don't think ceke is ruthless enough to hit us that hard with the guilt as a wolfploy (watch me eat those words later).
 
lynch cyndia

May waffle, we'll see where the day takes us... In the meantime I have 12 hours of back to back class/lab/midterm magic while running on zero hours of sleep. I imagine I'll be on the lynch docket again today (thanks, Kam), but prob won't be around until late (and may very well fall asleep at 7:30 pm and miss my own imminent demise).
 
Day 6 WHY MUST THE GOOD DIE YOUNG?!? Official Lynch Tally

Britz (1) - Ceke
3m (2) - Ski, LIS
Cyndia (1) - Britz

4/15 voting lynch close in 14.5 hours @ 2200 EST.

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***unlynch 3m*** because caused by tie and not lynch avoidance

Tentative ***lynch Ceke*** but I may waffle to kam, Cyndia, or someone else.

FWIW, in the Dr. Horrible game I had a "secret double vote" role. Can't remember who modded, though.
 
Didn't WZ say her ability could be boosted? With night cancelled, but then two night kills, should we be looking at WZ as getting herself off the hook by proving her ability but then allowing the wolves an extra kill? With STL now being proven villager I'm wondering about the if-iness that happened with STL/WZ/Cyndia. Could waffle off Britz and onto either WZ or Cyndia.
 
So PBC and ski are village
Raf is leaning village based on some info I have. I'm actually inclined to lean blitzen into the neutral-ish/village category too at the moment, based on some info from last night. Kam's extra vote seems legit.
DVMD, LIS read as pretty consistent, so they are going in my village category for now.

Right now, I am most suspicious of Cyndia, Ceke, and Cray. Finding myself wonder about allieh a little too.
 
lynch crayola
I don't like the vanilla claim that I think ceke? said cray claimed. We've yet to see a vanilla anything, so this makes me wonder.
 
here's ceke's post where she says crayola claims vanilla, it's in the spoiler tag conversation
Ceke2002 said:
@WildZoo This was a PM exchange Crayola and I had at the start of the game. I've been waiting for her to make a move, but since we've been in different groups we haven't been able to PM and so haven't been able to put this into action. Like I said I think by now it's not going ahead anyway. I agree that every villager is important, but much like the lynchiness on me, if a villager autopsy nets us wolves then that's good - I don't mind dying if it catches wolves, and apparently neither does Crayola.

Crayola

Hey,

while I do like group PMs, sometimes you do need to just have a one on one conversation

You do seem a bit more focused this game, and there is nothing particularly village about your ability (it could easily be given to a wolf so they can "prove" their ability (put a message villager PM partners suggest into the write up, which would prove the ability, but not the affiliation, but this could still lull people. An example was strider last game, who proved he could move the roster around (and I noted only too late that this would be a great wolf intel gathering advantage strat from the mods) and then people just sorta thought he was village after that.

In any case, I want to take a risk on you that you are village, because I think your ability could be used to wolf hunt in a special way.

I am a vanillager .

Here's the thing: every villager matters, but some matter more. I read online, that sometimes, if you are a vanillager, you should try to leak to the wolves (not on thread because that doesn't narrow things down) a claim that you are a Seer or something they would want to kill. Basically, one can sacrifice themselves as a vanillager in a way that makes their death really useful to village, and all you lose is a vanillager (lol, who, in my case, seems likely to get lynched).

However, the only way this works, is if there is someone after my death who can say, "Hey, look at the autopsy, Cray is vanillager, but she told x,y,z in PM that she was a Seer as bait and now she's night killed. So we know the wolf is among these people."

I haven't figured out the best way to try to enact this plot, or how exactly your ability might be used to help. Basically you could use the write up to get the message without drawing all the attention to yourself, plus if the mods did put the message that a wolf is in our PM group in the write up, it might be more believed.

I am also chancing telling you this, because if you're a wolf, worst case I've ruined the plot from the start.

Obviously this only works if only you and I know the plot, and the wolves (if there are any in our group) take the bait.

If you are a villager, please please do not tell anyone I am vanillager right now. I'm trying to use this as best as I can, and so far you are the only one I have told.

Ceke

This is a very good idea. And yes I am villager, I will tell noone about our conversation and wait for you to drop hints in the PM group and see what happens. 🙂

Crayola

cool

I have to figure out what specific lie I should tell and how, and I'm realizing this little plot would basically either clear/convict finn or skiotter

I want to see what happens after the night actions happen, see if there's any roster movers or such

Ceke

No worries. I'll play dumb until you make a move. 🙂

Crayola

I'm wondering if the "breeze" I felt last night was being seered, but no one has said that was the case.

Or someone was trying to steal my ability, but since I have none, nothing happened? Or an attempted redirect?

I have to be careful about what juicy ability I claim to leak to Finn in an attempt to leak to a wolf (assuming Finn is might not be) because if I'm caught as a liar by the village I'm toast and the whole thing fails.

I'm glad I didn't leak anything to skiotter last night because with the roster move he could tell the new PM group, and it would get more difficult to track the flow of info, which is how this whole "vanillager fakes ability" plot works to find wolves.

I can't claim a rezzer. Maybe seer. I'm going to try to research this closer tomorrow.

Let me know if you have any ideas.

Also, kudos on the nice gif message on the board. Although, I thought it was saying you were a liar, not that you aren't!!! I'll vouch that you posted the intended message in the PM group to more than one person there, before it showed up in the write up, if it comes up and needs to happen. I'll take my cue from you on that.

Ceke

I'm really sorry, I'm a frigging walking zombie on this medication since the recent titration. Give me some time to unzombie, I'm gonna hopefully have a chat to my Psychiatrist at some stage and maybe drop back down to a lower dose - either that or I'll have to drop out of the game. 🙁

Not sure what happened with your move, could that have been STL that was the cold breeze that moved past you. I had a thought as well, I'm going to throw a lynch vote your way, when I do then reveal yourself as someone who has potential wolf tracking abilities, without claiming a total power ability. I kept my redirecting power from last game fairly secret, but even hinting at being able to view wolves got me wolf killed. If you're still serious about taking one for the village (hey, I've done it before) I've already put in a lynch on Kam but I'll put one in on you as well if you're up for our plan.

I'm building up to a lynch vote on you so it doesn't look like I'm just coming out of left field, or playing weird or anything. 🙂

Before I lynch you though, let me know when you're ready to go live with your autopsy plan with the rest of the group knowing your 'abilty' - maybe claim tracker, you can see what people are doing but not necessarily affiliation, but if people are out at night it makes them look suspicious. That might work.

Melchizedek

Please keep in mind this PM should be inactive to reflect current roster.
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I don't get why people are saying there's supposed to be a wolf among Cyndia/WZ/STL. Why? Because what I saw was...

Stl thinks Zoo is suspicious because she hasn't used her ability and because Cyndia used the redirect on her twice and got different wording. STL outs both of their abilities on thread. Zoo proves her ability.

Cyndia could easily be a wolf, especially considering the redirect is a wolfy ability a fair amount of the time.

But the "there's one among those three" idea makes very little sense to me. What about the scenario suggests one of them has to be a wolf? Britzen, could you explain?
 
mmmdreamerz said:
I'm actually inclined to lean blitzen into the neutral-ish/village category too at the moment, based on some info from last night.
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Do you feel comfortable elaborating at all on this?
 
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