UMDNJ-> Rowan

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A while back on a couple of different threads there was a lot of discussion of how DO schools tend to be started by small, less well-known universities. I was reading on wikipedia today that UMDNJ is being absorbed by Rutgers- except for the school of osteopathic medicine, which is being absorbed by Rowan University. I'm from the west coast and am completely unfamiliar with and have no connections to New Jersey, but I found this kind of interesting. Does anyone know if this is still happening, and of so, what was the background is behind the DO program going to Rowan while everything else goes to Rutgers? Isn't Rowan starting and MD school as well?

Edit: the title of the thread got a bit jacked up by SDN mobile.

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Yeah pretty much UMDNJ SOM got screwed by New Jersey politicians. Most UMDNJ students/admin/faculty were heavily opposed to the SOM getting absorbed by Rowan; it's kind of sad that now they're trying to say that it won't be so bad now that it's inevitable.

I really doubt that this will strongly impact their program though.
 
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The only positive I see is that SOM will now share the same university as an MD program (like MSUCOM)
 
The only positive I see is that SOM will now share the same university as an MD program (like MSUCOM)

A completely new MD program that nobody's ever heard of before with only 50-something seats...
 
Still a school worth applying to, with the absorption by Rowan?
 
Still a school worth applying to, with the absorption by Rowan?

You still get a lot of bang for your buck IMO, especially if you are a NJ resident. It was the cheapest school that I got into (assuming that I became a NJ resident after the first year).

I opted against going here for personal reasons, although the Rowan merger didn't help. All the staff and students were really cool and UMDNJ has its affiliated hospital...

Again, though, there is no solid reason to think that the merger will substantially impact the program.

tl;dr YES
 
I think it's great that there will be another university with both and MD -program and DO program. Since UMDNJ was already kind if like that
and so it's cool that that distinction will continue.

I think it's interesting though that all of the UMDNJ schools went to Rutgers except the SOMl Did Rutgers turn up its nose at the thought if having a DO school? Or did the SOM prefer Rowan? I've never been one to care much about 'prestige' and I'm sure Rowan is a great school. But it sure does seem like someone's going out of their way to make sure DO schools don't end up at household-name universities. Call me a troll or whatever, and I know I probably sending like a first semester freshman premed right now, but I'm just curious.
 
I know a little bit about NJ.

Had I been a student who applied, was accepted at, and matriculated at a UMDNJ medical school and then the next year it was (repossessed) and renamed Rowan-SOM, I would be upset to put it nicely.
 
I think it's great that there will be another university with both and MD -program and DO program. Since UMDNJ was already kind if like that
and so it's cool that that distinction will continue.

I think it's interesting though that all of the UMDNJ schools went to Rutgers except the SOMl Did Rutgers turn up its nose at the thought if having a DO school? Or did the SOM prefer Rowan? I've never been one to care much about 'prestige' and I'm sure Rowan is a great school. But it sure does seem like someone's going out of their way to make sure DO schools don't end up at household-name universities. Call me a troll or whatever, and I know I probably sending like a first semester freshman premed right now, but I'm just curious.

As an NJ resident and Rutgers + UMDNJ alum, I am almost positive the reasoning behind Rowan acquiring SOM over Rutgers has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory of "no DO shall be a part of a major university." Although you can never fully know what the man behind the curtain is really doing 🙄

UMDNJ has been having financial difficulties as well as some bad spotlight in regards to a few HIPAA violations over the years. This is why talks about dissolving the school occurred in the first place.

Camden is considered one of the most dangerous cities in the US. The two major universities nearby include Rowan and Rutgers-Camden. The legislation calls for a partnership between the two to help improve the city and its surrounding areas financially and economically. The agreement to this partnership includes Rowan being designated as 1 of 2 research institutions in NJ as well as gaining SOM and Rutgers-Camden, however, Rutgers-Camden will still be under financial control by the Rutgers Board of Governors....kind of screwy..not really a "merger" in my opinion...
 
As an NJ resident and Rutgers + UMDNJ alum, I am almost positive the reasoning behind Rowan acquiring SOM over Rutgers has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory of "no DO shall be a part of a major university." Although you can never fully know what the man behind the curtain is really doing 🙄

UMDNJ has been having financial difficulties as well as some bad spotlight in regards to a few HIPAA violations over the years. This is why talks about dissolving the school occurred in the first place.

Camden is considered one of the most dangerous cities in the US. The two major universities nearby include Rowan and Rutgers-Camden. The legislation calls for a partnership between the two to help improve the city and its surrounding areas financially and economically. The agreement to this partnership includes Rowan being designated as 1 of 2 research institutions in NJ as well as gaining SOM and Rutgers-Camden, however, Rutgers-Camden will still be under financial control by the Rutgers Board of Governors....kind of screwy..not really a "merger" in my opinion...

Phew... I was getting concerned, lol. So this is a pretty big win for Rowan then?
 
Phew... I was getting concerned, lol. So this is a pretty big win for Rowan then?

Yeahh I'd say it's a big win for both Rowan and Rutgers, since both are absorbing medical schools to add to their academic program. Rowan now has an MD and DO program, while Rutgers will have 2 MD programs (RWJ and NJMS).
 
The only positive I see is that SOM will now share the same university as an MD program (like MSUCOM)

But... it's originally part of UMDNJ, which is already home to 2 MD schools that have been around for a long time in addition to SOM.

Nevertheless, this change is pretty much all for financial reasons/state
debt/etc, but is probably for the better for all parties involved, including SOM
 
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But... it's originally part of UMDNJ, which is already home to 2 MD schools that have been around for a long time in addition to SOM.

Nevertheless, this change is pretty much all for financial reasons/state
debt/etc, but is probably for the better for all parties involved, including SOM

agreed 👍
 
But... it's originally part of UMDNJ, which is already home to 2 MD schools that have been around for a long time in addition to SOM.

Nevertheless, this change is pretty much all for financial reasons/state
debt/etc, but is probably for the better for all parties involved, including SOM


As someone who attended UMDNJ(Newark) for grad school, is at Rutgers-Newark Law right now, and lives in NJ with a dad heavily involved in politics I can say it had lots to do with financial reasons and consolidating to make things more practical. Especially the Rutgers/UMDNJ merger.

But Rowan getting UMDNJ SOM was also a concession to appease a South Jersey political boss. He runs Rowan and originally he wanted Rutgers- Camden merged with his school- mostly for Rutgers Camden Law. He had just started the Rowan MD program and wanted his school to have a law and a med program. So it was going to happen. But Camden law students and faculty/admins got into an uproar- especially when applications fell and Camden's law school ranking fell as a result.

There were many talks, and instead the decision is now to have 1 Rutgers law school(still with the Newark and Camden locations but no longer 2 autonomous schools) so now rankings will actually increase by about 30 spots, for Rutgers to get Newark's UMDNJ and RWJ, and to appease the guy at Rowan they threw him the DO program.

So, like OP I do wonder if this will affect the DO program. It did terrible things to the Rutgers Law- Camden rankings without any merger even happening...but that was a law school. This is a med school. So I don't really know.

I'll apply to both though Rowan's MD and DO. I applied to UMDNJ SOM when I applied to law school and got waitlisted, but whether their rankings go up or down I'll try them again. I was dumb then, should've retaken my MCAT before applying, but hopefully second time's the charm and hopefully Rowan does great things with their combination med school.
 
As someone who attended UMDNJ(Newark) for grad school, is at Rutgers-Newark Law right now, and lives in NJ with a dad heavily involved in politics I can say it had lots to do with financial reasons and consolidating to make things more practical. Especially the Rutgers/UMDNJ merger.

But Rowan getting UMDNJ SOM was also a concession to appease a South Jersey political boss. He runs Rowan and originally he wanted Rutgers- Camden merged with his school- mostly for Rutgers Camden Law. He had just started the Rowan MD program and wanted his school to have a law and a med program. So it was going to happen. But Camden law students and faculty/admins got into an uproar- especially when applications fell and Camden's law school ranking fell as a result.

There were many talks, and instead the decision is now to have 1 Rutgers law school(still with the Newark and Camden locations but no longer 2 autonomous schools) so now rankings will actually increase by about 30 spots, for Rutgers to get Newark's UMDNJ and RWJ, and to appease the guy at Rowan they threw him the DO program.

So, like OP I do wonder if this will affect the DO program. It did terrible things to the Rutgers Law- Camden rankings without any merger even happening...but that was a law school. This is a med school. So I don't really know.

I'll apply to both though Rowan's MD and DO. I applied to UMDNJ SOM when I applied to law school and got waitlisted, but whether their rankings go up or down I'll try them again. I was dumb then, should've retaken my MCAT before applying, but hopefully second time's the charm and hopefully Rowan does great things with their combination med school.

sooo you're currently in law school, but now applying to med school? why the change of heart?

I'm sure SOM will have no problem maintaining its credentials with the Rowan merger. Everyone knows that the "rankings" by US News & World Report is a flawed, corrupt system that normally high school students pay attention too cause they don't know any better. So yeah, I don't think any future/current SOM students should be worried.
 
well if SOM had gone to Rutgers, would it have become Rutgers-Camden SOM or Rutgers SOM?

I read somewhere that SOM and Rutgers-Camden, being in south jersey, were always somewhat detached/neglected/weaker compared to the rest of UMDNJ/Rutgers in North Jersey. So the idea was to merge them all into Rowan so that Rowan (a supposedly up-and-coming university) would be strengthened and become, basically, south jersey's university (which has basically had no strong university historically). or something.
 
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As a life long NJ resident, a graduate from Rutgers University AND UMDNJ-SOM currently living in south Jersey I can tell you this is 100% politically motivated. There was a very large uproar from the alumni about this and keeping the 3 umdnj medical schools together.

There is a provision in the bill that states that if Rowan is unable to ensure current standards, that the whole deal is done. OF course when it comes to NJ politics, everything is BOHICA (Bend Over Here It Comes Again).

However, since the Dean and the rest of the administrators of the school are still there, I would not worry about the quality of the education you will get. It is still one of the best. In the report given to the Governor about UMDNJ, SOM was noted to be a "Gem of healthcare in southern NJ." (to paraphrase).
 
sooo you're currently in law school, but now applying to med school? why the change of heart?

I'm sure SOM will have no problem maintaining its credentials with the Rowan merger. Everyone knows that the "rankings" by US News & World Report is a flawed, corrupt system that normally high school students pay attention too cause they don't know any better. So yeah, I don't think any future/current SOM students should be worried.

Lol no change of heart. I applied once before, didn't get in. I knew by that point I wanted an MD/JD or DO/JD and applied to med and law schools at the same time(hoping to do a joint program and save a year since those are 6 years instead of 7), and I got into law schools so instead of sitting around waiting to reapply to med schools I went ahead with the law school part of my plans. Just hoping 2nd time's the charm when it comes to getting into med school.

I'm glad you and EMT2ER both think ratings and quality won't be hurt by this merger though. Like I said, I know it was hurting the Camden law school a lot, and the merger hadn't even been finalized yet but it already had a huge effect.

And EMT2ER I agree on the political motivation. It's kind of sad that something like this happened just to appease some politicians and it would have been nice if all the UMDNJ schools were kept together. But I'm glad the administration for SOM is staying and will keep the standards up. I mean, maybe Rowan is a great school and standards would stay up anyway, but it's relieving to know SOM staff will be staying. I figured with the merger they'd get rid of many SOM staff members and keep Rowan ones. Glad to hear SOM faculty and staff aren't losing their jobs because of all this.
 
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SOM was noted to be a "Gem of healthcare in southern NJ." (to paraphrase).

there's healthcare in southern NJ? :meanie:

I'm glad you and EMT2ER both think ratings and quality won't be hurt by this merger though. Like I said, I know it was hurting the Camden law school a lot, and the merger hadn't even been finalized yet but it already had a huge effect.

And EMT2ER I agree on the political motivation. It's kind of sad that something like this happened just to appease some politicians and it would have been nice if all the UMDNJ schools were kept together. But I'm glad the administration for SOM is staying and will keep the standards up. I mean, maybe Rowan is a great school and standards would stay up anyway, but it's relieving to know SOM staff will be staying. I figured with the merger they'd get rid of many SOM staff members and keep Rowan ones. Glad to hear SOM faculty and staff aren't losing their jobs because of all this.

UMDNJ was never highly ranked to begin with (at least not on USNews which views NIH funding as a major factor) ... but that's probably because each separate medical school (NJMS, RWJ, and SOM) were counted separately instead of as a whole (UMDNJ).

The downside to this merger is that Rowan is not a research university - part of the justification of merging SOM into Rowan is to try to turn it into a research university (the bill/law that splits up UMDNJ and merges SOM with Rowan also gives Rowan research university status). Rowan only became a university in 1997.

The downside is that SOM will lose its affiliation with the research labs at UMDNJ (at RWJ, NJMS, and UMDNJ Graduate School of Biomedical Science, School of Public Health, etc). Rowan needs time for their research division to get more funding and research faculty and develop a PhD program (since currently it only offers a Ed.D and MD)



*UMDNJ NJMS received $43 million in NIH funding in 2012
*UMDNJ RWJ received $41 million in NIH funding
*UMDNJ School of Public Health (New Brunswick) received $3.5 million
*Rutgers New Brunswick received $72.8 million in NIH funding

*UMDNJ SOM received $1.3 million in NIH funding
*Rowan did not receive any NIH funding in 2012, but received $9.1 million in grants/contracts in FY2012
*can't find the total research funding that Cooper University Hospital (and Cooper Medical School) received but I suspect it is several millions
 
This blog is loaded with misinformation. UMDNJ is a stand alone system of medical schools. It became probably the most corrupt university/medical school in the country. Administrators got salaries in the half million dollar range and received huge bonuses like CEOs instead of funding new buildings, classrooms, research and teaching facilities. They systematically double-billed medicare/medicaid and other government agencies. It was run by greedy physicians and thieves who did not know or care much about education. Unfortunately, many of those thugs are still here and hoping to stay a long time.

We at UMDNJ-SOM wanted to join Rowan because Rowan is an upwardly mobile university with a great administration as opposed to Rutgers, a stale old gutter-university that is controlled by a variety of special interest groups. We are hoping Rowan will make serious changes in SOM administration and bring in new administrators by legit national search instead of back door selection that has been a standard for corrupt UMDNJ. We are also hoping Rowan will take over SOM admission department and stop all backdoor admissions to SOM.

In summary, many of us at UMDNJ-SOM are thrilled with Gov. Christie's bold move of merging SOM to Rowan.
 
there's healthcare in southern NJ? :meanie:



UMDNJ was never highly ranked to begin with (at least not on USNews which views NIH funding as a major factor) ... but that's probably because each separate medical school (NJMS, RWJ, and SOM) were counted separately instead of as a whole (UMDNJ).

The downside to this merger is that Rowan is not a research university - part of the justification of merging SOM into Rowan is to try to turn it into a research university (the bill/law that splits up UMDNJ and merges SOM with Rowan also gives Rowan research university status). Rowan only became a university in 1997.

The downside is that SOM will lose its affiliation with the research labs at UMDNJ (at RWJ, NJMS, and UMDNJ Graduate School of Biomedical Science, School of Public Health, etc). Rowan needs time for their research division to get more funding and research faculty and develop a PhD program (since currently it only offers a Ed.D and MD)



*UMDNJ NJMS received $43 million in NIH funding in 2012
*UMDNJ RWJ received $41 million in NIH funding
*UMDNJ School of Public Health (New Brunswick) received $3.5 million
*Rutgers New Brunswick received $72.8 million in NIH funding

*UMDNJ SOM received $1.3 million in NIH funding
*Rowan did not receive any NIH funding in 2012, but received $9.1 million in grants/contracts in FY2012
*can't find the total research funding that Cooper University Hospital (and Cooper Medical School) received but I suspect it is several millions



Lot of misinformation. SOM researchers have no real contact with other campuses that is in last ten years I have been here. Rowan will have a complete research school and graduate school in the form GSBS-Stratford on July 1, 2013. It will be instantly a Research University complete with faculty, research laboratories, PhD students and everything.😍
 
This blog is loaded with misinformation. UMDNJ is a stand alone system of medical schools. It became probably the most corrupt university/medical school in the country. Administrators got salaries in the half million dollar range and received huge bonuses like CEOs instead of funding new buildings, classrooms, research and teaching facilities...

...We are also hoping Rowan will take over SOM admission department and stop all backdoor admissions to SOM...

You've just described every medical school and probably every institution of higher learning in the country... Have you seen the types of salaries that the Presidents and higher ups of these non-profit institutions get? Half a million seems like a bit on the low side actually.

Lot of misinformation. SOM researchers have no real contact with other campuses that is in last ten years I have been here. Rowan will have a complete research school and graduate school in the form GSBS-Stratford on July 1, 2013. It will be instantly a Research University complete with faculty, research laboratories, PhD students and everything.😍

Not really sure any of what he said was "misinformation." It seems like the only thing you really disagree with is the statement that Rowan will take a while to develop their research system, which you say will be fully developed in a few months.
 
Lot of misinformation. SOM researchers have no real contact with other campuses that is in last ten years I have been here. Rowan will have a complete research school and graduate school in the form GSBS-Stratford on July 1, 2013. It will be instantly a Research University complete with faculty, research laboratories, PhD students and everything.😍

I think you grossly underestimate the difficulty in such endeavors. In order to recruit PhD students (since you are starting from scratch), you need research faculty. In order to recruit research faculty, you need money, space, and equipment. You also need support structure in place to help with all the paperwork involved in research, especially people who know the intricacies of applying for R and K grants. You need resources, incentives, and time to recruit (ie steal) tenured faculty members from other research institutions. You need to provide opportunities to recruit the brightest PhD candidates and postdocs to become junior faculty at your institution (although with the current glut of PhDs, it might not be difficult to recruit someone, but you still want the best and brightest). And the biggest challenge - in order to do the above, you need money. That's why large research institutions, with active research, are able to draw more research money. And with the federal budget cuts, it is getting harder to win federal grants from NIH, NSF, NASA, or even DoD, etc.

Rowan only received $9 million in grants. SOM only received $1.3 million from the NIH (and $13 million total in research funding). In comparison, University of Pennsylvania (right across the river) received $457.5 million from NIH in 2012, CHOP received $125.6 million from NIH in 2012, Temple received $62 million, etc.

You also need time for the university (Rowan) to develop the governance structure to manage multiple schools in different locations (Glassboro, Camden, Stratford) along with dealing with inter-school and inter-department politics that comes from managing a large university

And not everyone at SOM or the AOA is happy with the merger. The AOA even release a statement expressing concern about ongoing accreditation issues.

AOA President Levine, in testimony to the NJ Senate Committee on June 14, 2012, said

"Combining UMDNJ-SOM with a school that lacks the same robust research programs and credibility will reduce funding and diminish research developments that are changing medicine and improving the delivery of care in New Jersey and around the country. Rowan has no infrastructure in place to support these nationally and internationally recognized programs that protect vulnerable populations. "

also

"Given the unlimited authority of this board, the lack of adequate infrastructure to provide clinical services and the uncertainty in funding for increased costs associated with maintaining quality of education and training, the AOA is concerned that this proposed move may jeopardize the School of Osteopathic Medicine's accreditation from the AOA Commission on Osteopathic College Accreditation (COCA)."

http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-a...ogs/daily-report-blog/Documents/Testimony.pdf

And with the development of a new medical school (Cooper), there is concern that resources and attention will be paid to Cooper at the expense of SOM, which is one of the reason the Faculty Senate of SOM is against the merger, in their words, "can see no advantage for the faculty and students of SOM."

http://www.njbiz.com/article/201207...al-school-in-uncharted-territory&template=art


I think UMDNJ-SOM will survive the merger, and will continue to produce excellent physicians in both their undergraduate medical and graduate medical education program. Their accreditation (for both the DO program and their GME programs) will likely be unaffected. The research component though, will take decades to establish, not a few months as your post would suggest.
 
We are hoping Rowan will make serious changes in SOM administration and bring in new administrators by legit national search instead of back door selection that has been a standard for corrupt UMDNJ. We are also hoping Rowan will take over SOM admission department and stop all backdoor admissions to SOM.

Please elaborate on how the students at my school are hoping Rowan will bring changes to our administration. I may just be an uninformed member of the student body, but I haven't heard anything about this.

And what backdoor admissions do you speak of? We have a stellar admissions staff that is highly regarded throughout the country. Then again, I could be mistaken if you have some more inside information
 
Please elaborate on how the students at my school are hoping Rowan will bring changes to our administration. I may just be an uninformed member of the student body, but I haven't heard anything about this.

And what backdoor admissions do you speak of? We have a stellar admissions staff that is highly regarded throughout the country. Then again, I could be mistaken if you have some more inside information
How does the class feel about this situation?
 
How does the class feel about this situation?

At this point, we have already accepted this and most of us are just focused on doing well in class and on boards. The only grumblings I've heard are about the name change; the students wanted one name, but we got another. we are having an open house today if anyone is in the area and wants to see for themselves
 
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