WildZoo's WWild ZZoo Part 2 - Game Thread

[potentialsheltervet]

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And I also died N1 CYO III.
So unless I'm missing a game, yeah, I guess we've basically never played together.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Had plans today but I'm catching up. Some random musings while I do:

- EOD yesterday into the start of today looked more like the Khepri that I remember from spectating champs (and he was town in those games). Can't say I really understand his playstyle but it looks familiar at least. And I don't think his late pushes yesterday make sense from scum, he was in real danger of being yeeted himself so trying to whip votes onto True would be an odd choice when Fluff and I were right there for pushing.

- Not totally sure why I'm in Santy's towncore..? I saw he towncased me so I want to read that, which feels like an odd thing to do but being hard shielded makes me nervous.

- Lawpy seemed oddly invested in not wanting me to un-pair True and Zenge, and I'm not sure what to make of that yet.

More thoughts in a bit.

 

[Truenamer]

One Small Lawpy ISO

Spoiler: Please Click

Dartboard suggestions aren’t necessary to follow but they can be a good starting point pls.

Dartboard reads are MKG and genny.

Still stunned by the @LuminousLag double fake claim of black goo to bloodhound

Dartboards are based on rnging the roster pls

This felt like the kind of intro I'm used to from Lawpy, such that I can be used to any of his gameplay. He's done the rng "dartboard reads" before. I'd only be concerned about that if he decided to hold onto them after actual content had been generated, which he didn't.

Also @Truenamer are there any particular Zenges voters that concern you?

He has a few posts like this that felt like normal, productive gameplay. Not going to quote them all, he's got four pages of posts and counting.

Zenges appears to be the main discussion today and I don’t lean him either way right now. I wouldn’t say I’m dismantling anyone’s reads of him but rather asking for clarification because I want to understand how the posts that I’m viewing as NAI is AI to others, whether town or scum indicative.

I found this reasonable.

And we’re back

Going to try something out

Unyeet MKG
Yeet Nates

Beginning of his Nate vote, not elaborated on at the moment.

Explain freshly your Clems read pls

Also @mkg323 thoughts pls

More general questioning/info gathering.

Yeah I shared them earlier. I think fluffy looks worse in that exchange and the case is reasonable.

Little bit of fluff sussing

Correct, so not an early yeet pls.

I don’t know when you’ve been yeeted early as a wolf that doesn’t involve mechanics or omega-level accidents.

Contributing to the discussion about how hard of a push Zenge is as a wolf, clarifies that Zenge has never been successfully yeeted early as a wolf (though he has been otherwise killed early as a wolf).

@Khepri how are you viewing Nanooks’s recent posts?

@Santygrass can you provide another game where you played with Nanooks pls?

Shows some curiosity about Clem, there are some follow-ups to this that don't reveal more of his thoughts. But a definite focus.

Explain soothingly

Didn't jump on the chance to misyeet AM, but also no pushback. Just questioning.

This bothers me when looking at it again

Dislikes Nate's vote on Fluff.

I’m thinking fluffy. I’m not exactly sure why the Sevens wagon picked up speed but I actually thought Sevens made a good point on fluffy that I mentioned earlier, and I disagree with the notion that fluffy’s a low hanging fruit.

I’m also wary of Nanooks but I’ve been looking at the games you linked that’s making me think a bit more carefully. I didn’t like that Nanooks was essentially being dodgy in his earlier posts when asked questions and then giving out town reads with little explanation. But Nanooks’s later post about the Sevens read made me think a bit more. I know in SF3, Nanooks was pretty much openly agreeing with Kobas very early D1 and was town there.

I would also be wary of village reading Zenges based on that anger post alone. Zenges was known to be genuinely angry as wolf before (see Bioshock from 2021 when he was genuinely mad over the right wolf, wrong reason). That said, I think Zenges is putting up a good effort in solving so I generally feel ok about him.

I’m a little unclear why MKG suggested to yeet AM and she didn’t explain further so that was weird to me.

Then goes there himself with this. Raises Clem as another option. Raises doubt on Zenge. Minor suss of MKG and defense of AM.

Shift to Truey wagon

He is doing his traditional analysis posts where he points out stuff that happened without giving more of his thoughts. Several of these scattered through the pages.

Can you expand on this pls? A little unclear what you mean

What caused this change?

Why pls

Q&A Lawpy

Well this is weird from Sevens

And also from Nanooks

Eh…

Don’t know how to feel about this given the repeated insistence on voting for Truey

Shows some concern/confusion with Khepri and Clem.

That isn’t anywhere true what. I had my thought process in D1 and my votes and reasoning weren’t random nor unjustified.

And why are you expecting AM to have a complete decisive read on me on D1?

After reading everything, I'm inclined to agree. Lots of posts, I was able to generally follow his thoughts, though he keeps stuff close to the chest.

No the sharper tone has been there in past games when I’m defending. You can see Bowling, CYO 3 or many other games for comparison when I was in a bad spotlight over wagonomics or incorrect reads etc.

I agree with this. Defensive Lawpy always sits up in his chair to type.

Looking at the events of D1, i think wolves are within Truey, genny, Zenges, Nanooks +/- MKG

Hmm. This POE feels like "list of people I think I can get them to misyeet." Not saying that there aren't wolves in this group, but if you had to make a list of the most misyeetable remaining villagers, it wouldn't be far off from this.

tl;dr (but pls read): I don't think I see the case for Howling!Lawpy, but I see why others might. He's kept his nose mostly out of trouble; no firm attacks/pushes, and his vote targets are softer ones.

 

[Clem J]

I think it's pretty telling that, for the most part, the people pushing Lawpy are MU/non-SDNers.
His play style is different to most others in my opinion and tends to be a lot more reliant on asking questions or dropping comments than providing much... I don't want to say substance, but... He's been called out in previous games for just quoting things and saying like "engaged" or "noting this" without drawing deeper conclusions. Every game I've played with him, he's been village.
I'm just not seeing that any of what's been mentioned is AI *for Lawpy*. I don't think we're likely to find a wolf there.

You've only seen them play town you don't know what's ai for them either lol

 

[Zenge142]

...okay I was a wolf there too

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So the only time you’ve been trying to solve Lawpy’s slot before now has been D1 of a multiball game?

I’m not trying to say your wrong. I honestly don’t know, maybe you’re right. But at least admit tone reading someone just based on the game so far of a player you haven’t really played much with is a little problematic.

I came to my conclusion because I was looking at potential pack dynamics and I was getting ready to repeat RvB where I mistakenly tunnel midwife and called Lawpy her packmate, and as I was looking through everything I came to the conclusion that Midwife was only a wolf if exactly Lawpy was her pack mate. And then I looked at Lawpy and his compatibility and I realized that at first he came off sort of villagey but as the game progressed it felt like he was more steering people onto potential misyeets more than actually trying to solve the game. He was just Wolfy.

Obviously I was wrong on my would have been midwife push, but looking there made me reevaluate Lawpy, and he really has a fair amount of scum equity.

Also Midwife wasn’t that strongly village read over say Santy or you, and AM having a 100% read rate on Lawpy seems like a good reason for that NK.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Noting the coordination between Santy and Khepri. Remind me, how much history together do they have?

I don't think they were in the same games during champs, not sure if they've played together elsewhere.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

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So the only time you’ve been trying to solve Lawpy’s slot before now has been D1 of a multiball game?

I’m not trying to say your wrong. I honestly don’t know, maybe you’re right. But at least admit tone reading someone just based on the game so far of a player you haven’t really played much with is a little problematic.

I came to my conclusion because I was looking at potential pack dynamics and I was getting ready to repeat RvB where I mistakenly tunnel midwife and called Lawpy her packmate, and as I was looking through everything I came to the conclusion that Midwife was only a wolf if exactly Lawpy was her pack mate. And then I looked at Lawpy and his compatibility and I realized that at first he came off sort of villagey but as the game progressed it felt like he was more steering people onto potential misyeets more than actually trying to solve the game. He was just Wolfy.

Obviously I was wrong on my would have been midwife push, but looking there made me reevaluate Lawpy, and he really has a fair amount of scum equity.

Also Midwife wasn’t that strongly village read over say Santy or you, and AM having a 100% read rate on Lawpy seems like a good reason for that NK.

Yeah... Maybe.

 

[Khepri]

Because the insistence on trying to get someone to vote a sussed player whom they are TRing was looking irrational and wasn’t making sense to me. Coupled with “that’s not what I asked” was giving me reservations because of the underlying dismissiveness that I felt.

What is irrational about wanting to eliminate someone you think is scum?

 

[Khepri]

Sevens could you expand on this?

It's pretty much just that. I don't think the interaction between them = non-w/w. Genny didn't ever pursue True is an elim so it is feasible that it was just early distancing.

Did @Khepri expand on this? I’ve been reading through the thread and didn’t find an explanation

I did. I didn't quote the post but I pinged Zenge if you look for that in my iso.

 

[Khepri]

Unvote: Lawpy
Vote: Genny

 

[Santygrass]

........
This has been stale for a while. I guess its time to go on a hunt .

Spoiler: Background Music

In this zoo many species live together. It may go against common sense that so many different species can be with each other without risks , or even a good idea to have some endangered species cohabitating with their predators. But it was possible, and we followed the rules as good villagers of this zoo to be in harmony.
And when someone breaks the rules... there has to be someone who can enforce punishment, someone that keeps the order.

I am King here. I will take leadership if needed, and for sure deliver the punishment. Some mechanics animal will never be safe from my hunting skills. And I will be murdering them, no matter the cost.

Now, to the sniffin'

​

 

[Santygrass]

Spoiler: Another Background Music

@Lawpy : What are your thought in the people pushing for you right now? Who are your townreads? What do you think of the AM nightkill? Were you expecting it? Is affecting your reads in some way?
I would also like for you to vote someone. You are lead wagon, you can still be questioning stuff but its needed for you to try to form another wagon too. If you are town, you need to wolfhunt and be proactive in that. Right now you are letting yourself be lead wagon with little resistance on that. Fight back more (Not necessarly OMGus, just hunt for a wolf also and not limit so much to answers and separate questions). A readlist and worldview from you would help too .


@Truenamer : You bringed up the AM nk too, is it affecting your reads in some way? How are you reading me? What are your thoughts in the start of this day? What is your read on Zenge? What is your read on the gamestate so far, and do you have any approach or something in mind to do in the future?
Personally, I think it will be kinda hard for me to not sus you or be out of my PoE, so if you're town, I ask you to be less... Passive. To put it in a word. I want to see the wolf hunting energy from you, I think your worldview as of rn its too *blended* with the gamestate and its hard to see True's solve or thoughts, I want you to signalize them, try to hunt a wolf and you work more in that direction. A readlist from you would also help as of rn.


@genny : What is your read on Zenge , True and Lawpy? Were you expecting AM to be nightkilled? Who are your townreads? You've been townread by some slots and with little pressure so far, do you find that odd in regards in how usually games goes for you? Also, I would appreciate if you can cast vote somewhere too.


@Clem J : Is your PoE the same as it was in D1? If not, would like an update and reasons for shifts. Also, have you read my towncase ln Nate / Thoughts on Psv and Khepri? If not, I would like for you to read them and let me know if you disagree on something.


@mkg323 : I feel like I forget what are your stances on the thread, and its been a while since I read from you. So I think the mist important would be what are your reads you feel confident rn, and to cast a vote. Also if you have the time, elaborate on how you feel about Zenge, True and Lawpy? And if you dont have time for it or even catch up, being in thread and realtime/post with whoever is present at the time is still super good, cause knowing what is you PoV helps me solve you more. So like, if you have 30 minutes and dont think you'll be able to catch up, know that posting and realtiming only having reading last page or so is super valuable too


@Zenge142 : Can you walk me through your progression on Lawpy? You realized that Lawpy wolfy in the night or after the Nk after questioning Lawpy? How do you feel about gamestate so far? Can you see a world where Lawpy is Villa? If so, who would be the wolves? Also, would like for you to elaborate about your read on me. And if possible want to know what slots you feel confident about being Villagers.

 

[Khepri]

You’ve barely seen village Lawpy. Feels like you’re using “meta” feels to village lean a player you’ve barely played with

4 villa games is plenty for villa meta. Is this another 'hours' thing.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

........
This has been stale for a while. I guess its time to go on a hunt .

Spoiler: Background Music

In this zoo many species live together. It may go against common sense that so many different species can be with each other without risks , or even a good idea to have some endangered species cohabitating with their predators. But its was possible, and we follow the rules as good villagers of this zoo.
And when someone breaks the rules, there has to be someone who can enforce punishment, someone that keeps the order.

I am King here. I will take leadership if needed, and for sure deliver the punishment. Some mechanics animal will never be safe from my hunting skills. And I will be murdering them, no matter the cost.

Now, to the sniffin'

​

Wow. Wanna village read you just for the mix-dropping delivery.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Unvote: Lawpy
Vote: Genny

Interesting, can you explain?

 

[Santygrass]

- Not totally sure why I'm in Santy's towncore..? I saw he towncased me so I want to read that, which feels like an odd thing to do but being hard shielded makes me nervous.

Skill Issue smh. Finding another Villas is a vital part of winning the game, and like, with how I shielded you D1 you think that you wouldn't be in my towncore? Also read the case pls smh, I put the effort there thinking Inwas going to die

One Small Lawpy ISO

Spoiler: Please Click

This felt like the kind of intro I'm used to from Lawpy, such that I can be used to any of his gameplay. He's done the rng "dartboard reads" before. I'd only be concerned about that if he decided to hold onto them after actual content had been generated, which he didn't.


He has a few posts like this that felt like normal, productive gameplay. Not going to quote them all, he's got four pages of posts and counting.


I found this reasonable.


Beginning of his Nate vote, not elaborated on at the moment.



More general questioning/info gathering.


Little bit of fluff sussing


Contributing to the discussion about how hard of a push Zenge is as a wolf, clarifies that Zenge has never been successfully yeeted early as a wolf (though he has been otherwise killed early as a wolf).


Shows some curiosity about Clem, there are some follow-ups to this that don't reveal more of his thoughts. But a definite focus.


Didn't jump on the chance to misyeet AM, but also no pushback. Just questioning.


Dislikes Nate's vote on Fluff.


Then goes there himself with this. Raises Clem as another option. Raises doubt on Zenge. Minor suss of MKG and defense of AM.


He is doing his traditional analysis posts where he points out stuff that happened without giving more of his thoughts. Several of these scattered through the pages.




Q&A Lawpy




Shows some concern/confusion with Khepri and Clem.


After reading everything, I'm inclined to agree. Lots of posts, I was able to generally follow his thoughts, though he keeps stuff close to the chest.


I agree with this. Defensive Lawpy always sits up in his chair to type.


Hmm. This POE feels like "list of people I think I can get them to misyeet." Not saying that there aren't wolves in this group, but if you had to make a list of the most misyeetable remaining villagers, it wouldn't be far off from this.

tl;dr (but pls read): I don't think I see the case for Howling!Lawpy, but I see why others might. He's kept his nose mostly out of trouble; no firm attacks/pushes, and his vote targets are softer ones.

GTH , Lawpy is Villa or Wolf to you?

I don't think they were in the same games during champs, not sure if they've played together elsewhere.

We played in Champs Finale together pls

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Also, gotta say I'm disappointed. Relatively towncored D1 and STILL don't get NK'd. Smh.

 

[Santygrass]

Wow. Wanna village read you just for the mix-dropping delivery.

I just came back from a DnD session and it shows wowee. I love to RP stuff and I called dibs on the yeet executioner yesterday so I am acting accordingly so I can enforce the flavor to turn that way of course.

Also yes, you should Villa Read me I've been like super villagery , and I feel that you/Nate/Khepri/me Villacore its probably pure and joining we can win easy. Is there something about my play that gives you pause and makes you doubt that I could be Villa?

 

[Truenamer]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

So the only time you’ve been trying to solve Lawpy’s slot before now has been D1 of a multiball game?

I’m not trying to say your wrong. I honestly don’t know, maybe you’re right. But at least admit tone reading someone just based on the game so far of a player you haven’t really played much with is a little problematic.

I came to my conclusion because I was looking at potential pack dynamics and I was getting ready to repeat RvB where I mistakenly tunnel midwife and called Lawpy her packmate, and as I was looking through everything I came to the conclusion that Midwife was only a wolf if exactly Lawpy was her pack mate. And then I looked at Lawpy and his compatibility and I realized that at first he came off sort of villagey but as the game progressed it felt like he was more steering people onto potential misyeets more than actually trying to solve the game. He was just Wolfy.

Obviously I was wrong on my would have been midwife push, but looking there made me reevaluate Lawpy, and he really has a fair amount of scum equity.

Also Midwife wasn’t that strongly village read over say Santy or you, and AM having a 100% read rate on Lawpy seems like a good reason for that NK.

The fact that AM was the night kill has been bugging me all day.

But would that be too obvious for Lawpy on D1?

 

[Khepri]

Interesting, can you explain?

Villagers: Khepri, Fluff, AM
Town: MKG, PSV, Nate
Tinfoil scumteam but otherwise Town: Santygrass, Clem

PoE: Zenge, Genny, True, Lawpy

I think if Lawpy is scum, Zenge is town.
I think if Zenge is scum, Lawpy is town.
I think if Zenge is scum, True is scum.
I don't think Genny and True are unpaired even though Genny called out True day 1.

I think if we just yeet between those four we can solve the game. I like Zenge a lot today so I'd like to go one of the other three.

 

[Clem J]

Spoiler: Another Background Music

@Lawpy : What are your thought in the people pushing for you right now? Who are your townreads? What do you think of the AM nightkill? Were you expecting it? Is affecting your reads in some way?
I would also like for you to vote someone. You are lead wagon, you can still be questioning stuff but its needed for you to try to form another wagon too. If you are town, you need to wolfhunt and be proactive in that. Right now you are letting yourself be lead wagon with little resistance on that. Fight back more (Not necessarly OMGus, just hunt for a wolf also and not limit so much to answers and separate questions). A readlist and worldview from you would help too .


@Truenamer : You bringed up the AM nk too, is it affecting your reads in some way? How are you reading me? What are your thoughts in the start of this day? What is your read on Zenge? What is your read on the gamestate so far, and do you have any approach or something in mind to do in the future?
Personally, I think it will be kinda hard for me to not sus you or be out of my PoE, so if you're town, I ask you to be less... Passive. To put it in a word. I want to see the wolf hunting energy from you, I think your worldview as of rn its too *blended* with the gamestate and its hard to see True's solve or thoughts, I want you to signalize them, try to hunt a wolf and you work more in that direction. A readlist from you would also help as of rn.


@genny : What is your read on Zenge , True and Lawpy? Were you expecting AM to be nightkilled? Who are your townreads? You've been townread by some slots and with little pressure so far, do you find that odd in regards in how usually games goes for you? Also, I would appreciate if you can cast vote somewhere too.


@Clem J : Is your PoE the same as it was in D1? If not, would like an update and reasons for shifts. Also, have you read my towncase ln Nate / Thoughts on Psv and Khepri? If not, I would like for you to read them and let me know if you disagree on something.


@mkg323 : I feel like I forget what are your stances on the thread, and its been a while since I read from you. So I think the mist important would be what are your reads you feel confident rn, and to cast a vote. Also if you have the time, elaborate on how you feel about Zenge, True and Lawpy? And if you dont have time for it or even catch up, being in thread and realtime/post with whoever is present at the time is still super good, cause knowing what is you PoV helps me solve you more. So like, if you have 30 minutes and dont think you'll be able to catch up, know that posting and realtiming only having reading last page or so is super valuable too


@Zenge142 : Can you walk me through your progression on Lawpy? You realized that Lawpy wolfy in the night or after the Nk after questioning Lawpy? How do you feel about gamestate so far? Can you see a world where Lawpy is Villa? If so, who would be the wolves? Also, would like for you to elaborate about your read on me. And if possible want to know what slots you feel confident about being Villagers.

Yarp

I haven't, link them to me and I will tho

 

[Santygrass]

For reference.

"Here's the thing with Nate so far. It feels like he's asking other people's opinions/probing for reads without offering many of his own, and that makes it seem somewhat like he's fishing for the easiest place to put pressure. It feels wolfy. I'm still moderately irked with Clem thus far but being that Nate feels more overtly wolfy..."

I have kind of a mess with quotes so I wanted to put this first. Other than the readlists post? What you describe here applies to Nate the previous game super well, even where their votes went . (Tha AM was a super weak OMGus with no push or tooth at all)

Now, to the quotes

Spoiler: Nate ISO

This is Nate asking questions , yes. But it was a good question? Like its not a *try to shade him*/find a reason to vote , its them looking to figure out stuff about the slot.

Again another question related to Zenge, they are giving attention to things related to Zenge. Still dont feel like any of the questions was with the intent of putting pressure.

This and the AM vote one I can understand why you could describe it as weak/bad ones. But I am keeping this one specifically cause it was the one who clearly showed after to have an *intent* and develop a read.



This is the 'giving stuff of his own thoughts' that you say its missing here @potentialsheltervet . And its a thought that goes along with thei questioning of first votes + early focus in Zenge + Read on me .

This os them being proactive tbh? Like , if you think 'They are doing questions to prod/put pressure/whatev' , them putting the vote on fluff doesnt add up with that perspective

And this is just a villagery post. This isnt a hedgy vote, more like a nuance and shows that they are keeping track of stuff. This is a good post, even better now that we know that fluff was V.

This question to Zenge GOAT too. Like its them figuring stuff related to the stuff they want to figure out atm? Idk how to describe it, but I can see the *intent* of solve in the questions?

Attention to detail, prob Unpaired with True (?)

More explanation and 'Own Thought' irt to Fluff/Zenge stuff that I think shows the nuance there is legit.

And this explanation of how was he analyzing and their intent with the Fluff vote is LockVilla. I just love it. Its something I do too and seeing that Nate was keeping track of that and is trying to form reads from that stuff is just super villagery in my eyes.


I townread their reason to Tr AM, even if they even dint say it. Doesnt feel wolfy lol

And like, they reach almost my PoE with different reads in their Townleans/Strong Villas? Like wowee this is something that makes me feel good. Cause they didnt align themselves with me, cause they had different reads, but just feeling that we are in a similar view of the game makes me feel confident in th being Villa too.


Another example of Nate keeping track of the votes, and pushing reads in that way, going along with the read they had on True initial vote and the initial Zenge Focus.... Like omg the approach is so consistent and the solving just clicks. This is Villa pls

@potentialsheltervet read pls.
@Khepri If you have doubts on Nate I recommend reading too, and maybe comparing to the previous game of Nate here , cuz I feel like they were sussed D1 for NAI things and were really villagery Yesterday

Less detailed thoughts about PSV and Khepri:

Psv: Their approach and just the straight solving energy with checking stuff, asking slots and trying to figure stuff out and being so proactive, makes me feel like psv is Villa. Them stepping down on Nate's wagon yesterday was also Villa.
Maybe trust SDN regulars if they start to sus her, otherwise not. When psv wolfed against me one of the main thing that made me catch her was the lack of /strength/ or /belief/ in their pushes, that dindt felt like scumhunting energy y'know.

Khepri: Maybe you read one lf their posts without context or see that they dont fit in what has been talked about last page and sus them, but that is a bad idea. Trust Clem read too. I think their solving post has been good, and if you read their ISO and see the train of thought of them (Even if they hop between susses, while their approach is consistent is good) that is a clear Villa sign. Their confidence was something that them as a wolf wouldnt do unprompted, and I think they really believe True is a wolf. If they are right, they lock Villa. If they are wrong, I'd say they are villa regardless /shrug. Otherwise that push near EoD with that intent/confidence is just not good as wolf? And like, I can see the world in where they are solving so I am more than inclined to believe is genuine

This two @Clem J

 

[Santygrass]

I tr true lol

Someone talk me out of true having tmi fluff was gonna flip green

He was poe and I tr the other two options at the time

@Clem J also if you can I would like for you to elaborate on your toughts on True. Because I was reading like the tr you had on them rescinded but it seems that it didnt? So I would like for that to be clear, and also how you feel about them in general

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I just came back from a DnD session and it shows wowee. I love to RP stuff and I called dibs on the yeet executioner yesterday so I am acting accordingly so I can enforce the flavor to turn that way of course.

Also yes, you should Villa Read me I've been like super villagery , and I feel that you/Nate/Khepri/me Villacore its probably pure and joining we can win easy. Is there something about my play that gives you pause and makes you doubt that I could be Villa?

Paranoia
I'm still undecided on Khepri, but if they're right on Lawpy then that would seal them for me.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Skill Issue smh. Finding another Villas is a vital part of winning the game, and like, with how I shielded you D1 you think that you wouldn't be in my towncore? Also read the case pls smh, I put the effort there thinking Inwas going to die

GTH , Lawpy is Villa or Wolf to you?

We played in Champs Finale together pls

Oh right, finale 😀
Anyway I'm not sure why True was asking me how familiar you and Khepri are.

And look, I'm good with being towncored because it's correct. So just ignore my mild paranoia and do your thing.

 

[Santygrass]

Paranoia
I'm still undecided on Khepri, but if they're right on Lawpy then that would seal them for me.

I... Think its pretty sure to unpair them with True as well. And if W!Lawpy makes you feel better about Khepri then I think are good odds of them just being Villa tbh?

 

[Clem J]

@Clem J also if you can I would like for you to elaborate on your toughts on True. Because I was reading like the tr you had on them rescinded but it seems that it didnt? So I would like for that to be clear, and also how you feel about them in general

It briefly did, I was informed hes done this before as town, so the tr remains

 

[Clem J]

This two @Clem J

The nate stuff is somewhat compelling. I...don't really agree with the psv stuff? I mean, it's not, like, bad or anything, but it isn't really stuff I'd TR them for, none of it seems all that hard to fake to me? Like. Idk if they are or not but if they're decent at real timing as mafia that's pretty reasonable play, imo. Hard to say without meta, but yeah, im not really swayed by it without a meta comparison/baseline for their mafia play.

 

[Zenge142]

You realized that Lawpy wolfy in the night or after the Nk after questioning Lawpy?

I was musing pack possibilities, wondering if I was wrong on AM, and could see Lawpy as her pack mate. I looked at Lawpy and realized in general I didn’t feel good about his thread contributions. In general he felt like he was selling village rope to hang itself, like the quote of him responding to you earlier. The night kill choice solidified my suspicions about Lawpy. I think Lawpy had the most to gain from an Animal DeadWife world.

How do you feel about gamestate so far? Can you see a world where Lawpy is Villa? If so, who would be the wolves? Also, would like for you to elaborate about your read on me. And if possible want to know what slots you feel confident about being Villagers.

I’m wondering who Lawpy’s pack mate would be still.

In a village Lawpy world, I’d probably go back to looking at a Khepri + ??? Pack. I had a few people I would be comfortable plugging into the ??? Slot. Clem for example.

I’m leaning that you are most likely village.

I think PSV is most likely village.

With only two wolves and my feelings on this being a wolf!Lawpy world, then really everone else except one is village.

Lawpy’s push of Clem yesterday in response to you, makes me think it’s not Clem. I need to see more from MKG and genny (but if I had to guess I wouldn’t guess genny(but I could be 100% wrong there and it wouldn’t surprise me)). Could potentially see True, less so Nate but not impossible. Still unsure about Khepri.

 

[Zenge142]

But would that be too obvious for Lawpy on D1?

More obvious than Midwife coming around to a wolf read?

 

[WildZoo]

Day 2: The Ants Just Wanna Have FUN Vote Tally

True (1) - Santy
Lawpy (2) - Clem, Zenge
genny (1) -Khepri

4/10

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TOMORROW (~23.5 hours)

 

[potentialsheltervet]

The nate stuff is somewhat compelling. I...don't really agree with the psv stuff? I mean, it's not, like, bad or anything, but it isn't really stuff I'd TR them for, none of it seems all that hard to fake to me? Like. Idk if they are or not but if they're decent at real timing as mafia that's pretty reasonable play, imo. Hard to say without meta, but yeah, im not really swayed by it without a meta comparison/baseline for their mafia play.

In that case, you can refer to the My Little Pony game we had here about a month ago. That was the game before last and my most recent wolf game, so probably the best place to look for a comparison to this game/last game.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Lawpy’s push of Clem yesterday in response to you, makes me think it’s not Clem. I need to see more from MKG and genny (but if I had to guess I wouldn’t guess genny(but I could be 100% wrong there and it wouldn’t surprise me)). Could potentially see True, less so Nate but not impossible. Still unsure about Khepri.

If Lawpy is a wolf, I could see him paired with mkg, genny, True, Nate, or Santy.
I'm village reading Santy but he said something in the MLP deadchat that was super spooky about like driving a bus over his packmate in one game and coasting on the cred to endgame. I don't think that's the most likely scenario, but I also don't want to completely count it out.

 

[genny]

@genny : What is your read on Zenge , True and Lawpy? Were you expecting AM to be nightkilled? Who are your townreads? You've been townread by some slots and with little pressure so far, do you find that odd in regards in how usually games goes for you? Also, I would appreciate if you can cast vote somewhere too.

why would i expect AM to be killed? I was thinking you, honestly. or psv since you're both so widely village read.

zenge - village lean, though if lawpy flips village this would change.
true - wolf lean
lawpy - neutral. i think of wolf!lawpy as more of a reactive player than a proactive one. i'm not seeing as much solving as what i'd expect from village!lawp

yeet true

 

[Zenge142]

I just haven't had time to read really, i will at some point and I'll have reads then, until then I have my strong TR and im gonna sheep him and give flippant answers lol

You played with Sevens in SF3 right? How are you reading them here?

Clem: I’m not going to bother to do any actual game solving. Just going to sheep Santy and give BS answers to questions.

Lawpy: Okay, but how are you reading Khepri?

Spoiler

Actually looking back on this, it feels like Lawpy’s goal may have been to continue to exacerbate the annoyances and resentments people were feeling about Clems play.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

or psv since you're both so widely village read.

😔I never get to die.

 

[Truenamer]

@Truenamer : You bringed up the AM nk too, is it affecting your reads in some way? How are you reading me? What are your thoughts in the start of this day? What is your read on Zenge? What is your read on the gamestate so far, and do you have any approach or something in mind to do in the future?
Personally, I think it will be kinda hard for me to not sus you or be out of my PoE, so if you're town, I ask you to be less... Passive. To put it in a word. I want to see the wolf hunting energy from you, I think your worldview as of rn its too *blended* with the gamestate and its hard to see True's solve or thoughts, I want you to signalize them, try to hunt a wolf and you work more in that direction. A readlist from you would also help as of rn.

Answering your Q's in order.

It is affecting my reads. I know some folks don't like NK analysis due to it leading to too much circular reasoning and guessing, but I tend to find that wolves in my games haven't gone for zany 3rd-level logic with their NKs; they kill the people who they either think are about to out them, or who they think will never get misyeeted, or preferably both. So who would want AM dead? Feels more likely to be an SDNer, I think, but that might be a false assumption.

I'm torn on you. You really are feeling quite different from last game, you've stepped into the general role JJJ took last game. As someone who's been preoccupied this weekend, I appreciate it a lot. But at the same time, you're more than competent enough as a wolf to be eating our lunch right now with this very forward/dominant stance. You may have NK'd AM because she was just your wolf buddy and so has a better view into your wolf mentality than the average person in this game. But I don't think that's the case, for now, even though I'm always going to be warier of people who've just beaten me.

Not strong opinions on the start of this day, aside from the fact that it felt like people moved on from the NK very quickly. You guys have given the games a different rhythm than I'm used to, and it's made me feel a bit more disconnected than usual. I think a bit of it is that I don't feel as comfortable tossing things out onto the thread as casually.

Zenge is being pushier than I'm used to from him this early. I suppose it is D2, but his play is markedly more aggressive and confrontational than I expect from him. I'll note that he's been intentionally trying to change/up his play, so that might not be AI, but it's definitely a data point to consider. He's in my POE.

As for the overall gamestate? You and PSV are solid, not worried about either of you at the moment. Need to review genny and MKG. Zenge and Lawpy both feel a little more aggro than I expect from them, so I'm trying to see how their reads and pushes progress. Having trouble understanding Khepri's everything, they vacillate between very towny and very sus to me. Clem seems to be "blending with the gamestate" in the same way you feel I am.

Why would it be hard for you to not sus me? You were just in a game with me and I don't think my play was materially different. No need for either of us to have a skill issue over this, Santy. I do acknowledge that I've been extra out of it this weekend aside from last night, but my house is properly clean for the first time in a couple weeks and I ran a 5K, so I can't bring myself to feel bad about not being online enough. I'm going to be stuck at a computer for most of my workday tomorrow, so you will absolutely see more of me.

Proper readlist in the morning.

 

[Truenamer]

Oh right, finale 😀
Anyway I'm not sure why True was asking me how familiar you and Khepri are.

And look, I'm good with being towncored because it's correct. So just ignore my mild paranoia and do your thing.

It's because I saw a level of vibing/coordination between the two of them and their votes that felt more than something random. Wanted to know how familiar they are to each other to see if that might have an obvious explanation.

 

[Zenge142]

I'll note that he's been intentionally trying to change/up his play,

I have?

 

[Truenamer]

I have?

You said so several games ago, and promptly got misyeeted for it. Am I misremembering?

 

[Lawpy]

And we’re here. Hold pls as I catch up

 

[Lawpy]

Depends player to player, mostly just "do they seem townie?"

This is superficial and vague

 

[Lawpy]

How many games have you played with Lawpy? He’s a big presence but you haven’t played that many games together. Enough to count on one hand, certainly.

How many games did you play with me?

 

[Lawpy]

Yeet Lawpy

For…?

 

[Zenge142]

You said so several games ago, and promptly got misyeeted for it. Am I misremembering?

I mean I was posting a lot that game. High posting. I don’t think that’s really something we’ve seen from Zenge this game.

 

[Lawpy]

You're right, it hasn't been that many. I think BoWWling, LiterWWary, CYO III? And then modded Okami but that doesn't really count. So I haven't really seen Wolf!Lawpy, I'll admit that.

You’ve barely seen village Lawpy. Feels like you’re using “meta” feels to village lean a player you’ve barely played with

CYO 3 isn’t insignificant btw given that pshelty was going after me in D1

 

[Lawpy]

Wait Bowling you were a wolf, so you weren’t trying to solve his slot. He Died N1 in CYO III.

LiterWWary is the only real game you’ve played with him.

Ok let’s continue this line of inquiry with games you played with me that you consider to be real (which I’m inferring involves village!you regardless of my affiliation)

 

[Zenge142]

How many games did you play with me?

I don’t have a tally. Animal RecordKeepingwife probably knows, but you killed her in cold blood, didn’t you?

Regardless, my point in that conversation with PSV was she should reconsider reading you village off loose vibes when she’s never really played more than a cycle with you at best.

I was village reading you, and I did reevaluate, which is how I ended up at the conclusion I’m at currently. I’m asking PSV, with her limited Lawpy experience, to reevaluate and not be so quick to village read a player she doesn’t have much experience with.

 

[Lawpy]

Because as I have pointed out in my Bowling example, I’ve been slammed for giving vague and brief reads as village

 

[Lawpy]

I don’t have a tally. Animal RecordKeepingwife probably knows, but you killed her in cold blood, didn’t you?

Please tell me gently on what basis are you making this assertion