WildZoo's WWild ZZoo Part 2 - Game Thread

[potentialsheltervet]

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Also, you don't want me to be yoten, because you know that I'm not a wolf this game.

Do I? Do I really?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Truenamer wouldn't be my first choice today personally. I'm not opposed to yeeting genny. Also not village reading MKG. And stubbornly I don't want Clem to be village lol.

 

[Truenamer]

Do I? Do I really?

You've seen me wolf several times from both sides of the court.

This feel like that? Sure as hell doesn't from where I'm sitting.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I feel like everyone except you has real motivation to kill AM this game, since last game she won as scum with Santy.

This will probably be one of my weird perspective reads that isn't convincing for anyone but me, but this is a Town thought.

 

[Zenge142]

When was Madagascar?
As in, do you find this village game more likely to be relevant than the one from a few months ago?

I find going past D1 more relevant. I find a mountainous set up more relevant to an open set up basics game than the multiball role madness D1 of CYO III that he was alive for.

I’m not sure why you’re focused on the timing of the game. Madagascar was a little over a year ago, sure, but Lawpy hasn’t played very many games since then, less than 10 certainly, and most of them “not real” as in subbed in late and killed soon after, died N1, etc.

I’m not sure why you’re expecting, after years of playing, that the less than 10 games he’s played between then and now to have had some monumental shift in his play style.

 

[Truenamer]

This will probably be one of my weird perspective reads that isn't convincing for anyone but me, but this is a Town thought.

Explain softly? I... sorta see were you're coming from, but would like to hear it from you

 

[potentialsheltervet]

You've seen me wolf several times from both sides of the court.

This feel like that? Sure as hell doesn't from where I'm sitting.

Idk bro

I find going past D1 more relevant. I find a mountainous set up more relevant to an open set up basics game than the multiball role madness D1 of CYO III that he was alive for.

I’m not sure why you’re focused on the timing of the game. Madagascar was a little over a year ago, sure, but Lawpy hasn’t played very many games since then, less than 10 certainly, and most of them “not real” as in subbed in late and killed soon after, died N1, etc.

I’m not sure why you’re expecting, after years of playing, that the less than 10 games he’s played between then and now to have had some monumental shift in his play style.

I'm just not really understanding your push on him. And if you find going past D1 more relevant, why are you mainly focused on his posts from D1 this game?
And I know you think mUlTiBaLl DoEsN't MaTtEr and I'd agree if Lawpy had been, like, an alien, but he was village. I still find CYO III relevant.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm just not convinced on Lawpy. #chokemeifyoucan

 

[Zenge142]

And I know you think mUlTiBaLl DoEsN't MaTtEr and I'd agree if Lawpy had been, like, an alien, but he was village. I still find CYO III relevant.

Solving is different in a mountainous/basics open set up game than it is a role madness multiball. Regardless, I'm not saying CYO III is irrelevant, I haven't looked at it. But you literally said that

You probably can, but that isn't my point.

Meaning even if I went and pulled quotes from CYO III to support my case, you wouldn't see it and would just continue to disagree.

I guess there's no point it trying to convince you and further discussing this. It is what it is.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Meaning even if I went and pulled quotes from CYO III to support my case, you wouldn't see it and would just continue to disagree.

No, not necessarily. Maybe I'm putting unfair weight on that game since it's one I played and therefore I can skim the quotes rather than really intently reading the game but all I'm trying to point out is I'm not in agreement that the points you've pointed out are indicative of wolf!Lawpy.

 

[Truenamer]

Page 21 Catch Up

Wow it's annoying that this is my thing this game, I hate having to play from behind like this. Also my 5-7 thing is approaching faster than I thought it would, crap.

Because as I have pointed out in my Bowling example, I’ve been slammed for giving vague and brief reads as village

Yes, he has.

Why are you condemning me for being wrong on fluffy? Why not condemn the actual fluffy voters? And why are you under the assumption that villagers can’t have incorrect reads. From your POV, you admitted you were wrong in your AM read and was reevaling. Why am I getting criticized for having doubts on fluffy?

Wrong on you only on your POV just as you’re wrong on me from my POV

How is Clems/Nanooks a misyeet bait? And why are you ignoring your own role in actually pushing his yeet in D1?

Mostly agree with this as a fluff voter, but it is kind of a classic Wolf move to suss someone then let the villagers do the actual dirty work while you stay off wagon. Still, yes, you weren't the one who ate her in the write-up 🙁

Define soft softly pls. Because the POE i listed is in no way easy at all. This game is filled with professionals and one Lawpy playing like a disorganized, sketchy noob, so if I’m yeeted for that, I’ll learn to be more organized and hopefully less sketchy next time while retaining my permanoob status.

Yes, everyone's a hard push, but if you had to list the players in order of hard pushiness, gun to head, the people you listed would be in the bottom half, I think. Not an important point though.

That is something I'd probably do lol

Unfortunately for your theory sheeping is a key part of game, particularly when I'm time constrained

word fam

So I have a **** ton of quotes saved to go over during lunch, and people to get back to, apologies for being away yesterday.
General thoughts: AM getting killed N1 was definitely an interesting choice, I feel like there is definitely an SDNer in the pack that wanted her gone. I know in the past Alley tends to target AM early as a wolf, I’d have to look back at other games but either True or Genny would be my guess here tbh.

I also made this point earlier, and think I agree. Obviously I disagree about who that points to, but I'll be mildly surprised if both wolves are the new folks.

Is it still bugging you? Do you think it was just a fearkill?

Just feels like she's a "meta" early NK target for SDNers.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong: we're essentially in 8v2 mountainous now, since losing our jailer makes the remaining wolf PRs kinda useless. So a winning POE is 4, aka winning Towncore is 6. If I start with Me/Santy/Khepri/PSV we're most of the way there. Who else wants in?

@Khepri - Talk to me more about your Genny read, I feel like we differ there. I thought she was reasonably towny yesterday. You mentioned a tinfoil Genny/Santy team I believe, do you think she's wolfy independently of that tinfoil?

@Santygrass - Still feeling good about your towncore? Who else would you pull in?

@potentialsheltervet - What's your read of True at this point? You've seemed more conflicted there than with your other reads.

Hi. Keep me in mind pls.

Yes. Santa and psv seem village, Zenge is mostly there too.
You, mkg, Lawpy neutral.
A titch slimy: khepri, Clem
True seems wolfiest at the moment.

I haven't pushed you too much on your vote on me yet, so here: why? What's your rationale?

Yes. The slot that I feel most good out of towncore rn is Genny. PoE is True/Lawpy, with Zenge in upper PoE maybe.

That would leave me MKG and Clem, with one space in PoE and other in towncore, but couldnt really lean much in one way tbh? Feel better about Clem than MKG but that could be biased in me knowing them so w/e

What makes you feel good about Clem? I feel like Clem has been here even less than me.

 

[Zenge142]

No, not necessarily.

Spoiler: Not falling for your tricks

 

[NateTheLesser]

Explain softly? I... sorta see were you're coming from, but would like to hear it from you

Wolf perspective: AM isn't being townread and there's past game salt/paranoia that could be exploited. Keep her around (unless there's a reason not to).

Genny's comment doesn't fit with that perspective.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2: The Ants Just Wanna Have FUN Vote Tally

True (3) - Santy, genny, Khepri
Lawpy (2) - Clem, Zenge
genny ()
Clem (1) - Lawpy

6/10

Danger zone: @Truenamer
Missing: @mkg323 @NateTheLesser @potentialsheltervet @Truenamer

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~3.5 hours)

 

[Santygrass]

Hmmm. Just did a quick relook on Zenge's Pony Salvaje's game D2 , and I feel like we are with W!Zenge here.

@potentialsheltervet could you go and take a look there and tell me what you think? Not going to say in what basis I am seeing the difference to not taint your view tho

 

[Zenge142]

Hmmm. Just did a quick relook on Zenge's Pony Salvaje's game D2 , and I feel like we are with W!Zenge here.

Spoiler

 

[Santygrass]

 

[mkg323]

Spoiler

Hola have you posted a reads list recently/could you give me your groups real quick

 

[Zenge142]

Hola have you posted a reads list recently/could you give me your groups real quick

Lol you first MK. I’ll wait.

 

[WildZoo]

Smh that's a leopard

 

[mkg323]

Lol you first MK. I’ll wait.

dont be a zonge

 

[Santygrass]

Smh that's a leopard

Its my bodyguard, a King wouldn't touch some mechanic animal like that smh

 

[Zenge142]

dont be a zonge

Sassing me isn’t going to change your lack of reads at the end of day 2. We basically have no idea what you’re thinking. You’re being out posted by Fluff, and she’s dead.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Just pulling a couple AM quotes from late D1. I was looking for where her scumreads ended up toward EOD. There's one that Zenge already pulled where she said that Lawpy was neutral but she hoped to get a better read on him. A couple others I found were these:

Re: Zenge, in response to Santy asking for her read:

He's still neutral for me. I just appreciated the passion.

Re: her wolfreads, in response to Zenge asking her who she was wolfreading:

@Zenpocrit I'm looking at True, genny, mkg, and Clem.

My sense from these is that a wolf!Zenge wouldn't feel a particular need to kill AM, but a wolf True/Genny/MKG/Clem might.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Hmmm. Just did a quick relook on Zenge's Pony Salvaje's game D2 , and I feel like we are with W!Zenge here.

@potentialsheltervet could you go and take a look there and tell me what you think? Not going to say in what basis I am seeing the difference to not taint your view tho

Which game is this?

 

[NateTheLesser]

@Santygrass Do you agree with my unpairing of True/Zenge? That seems potentially significant here. I'm basing it more on the static VCA, but tbf Lawpy did pull some quotes of True questioning the Zenge wagon, so that should be factored in when considering that team.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I feel like I should know what "Zenge's Pony Salvaje" refers to but I do not.

 

[Santygrass]

Which game is this?

Pony Salvaje game pls, you were a wolf there it was our first game dont forget pls

 

[Zenge142]

I feel like I should know what "Zenge's Pony Salvaje" refers to but I do not.

I assume he means Sporty’s MLP game

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Yeet mkg

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Pony Salvaje game pls, you were a wolf there it was our first game dont forget pls

Ah, I just assumed you were looking for a wolf!Zenge game. D2? (Tryna to watch a show so I'll check before EOD but I'd like to have more of a ballpark).

 

[Santygrass]

@Santygrass Do you agree with my unpairing of True/Zenge? That seems potentially significant here. I'm basing it more on the static VCA, but tbf Lawpy did pull some quotes of True questioning the Zenge wagon, so that should be factored in when considering that team.

I think they are paired af, and my view could possibly be tainted because I think that is the more likely pack. Despite True being a wagon, Zenge has focused on Lawpy and almost hasnt been addressing True , which I think its wolfy wowee.
Like, I think the staticness may be due to to True not having much threadpull and being absent most of the day. If Zenge/True are a pack, their approach to the game goes by trying to not interact so much with the other I'd say. Like making an effort to not appear paired

 

[NateTheLesser]

The other wrinkle re: the AM quotes I pulled, is that True has been the one most loudly stroking his beard and wondering what the AM kill could mean, which would be odd for w!True to do if he fearkilled AM because he was in her POE..

 

[Santygrass]

Ah, I just assumed you were looking for a wolf!Zenge game. D2? (Tryna to watch a show so I'll check before EOD but I'd like to have more of a ballpark).

Yes. Zenge was villa there and I think comparing to this game the approach/solving is different. But wanted you to also check it and sanity check me, since you played there, know zenge more and I trust that you are Villa ehe

 

[Zenge142]

and almost hasnt been addressing True

Is there something in particular of True’s you think I should be addressing?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

The other wrinkle re: the AM quotes I pulled, is that True has been the one most loudly stroking his beard and wondering what the AM kill could mean, which would be odd for w!True to do if he fearkilled AM because he was in her POE..

I don't think this is out of the realm of possibility for w!True. I wanna say he did something similar with one of the NKs in Ass Class.

 

[Santygrass]

The other wrinkle re: the AM quotes I pulled, is that True has been the one most loudly stroking his beard and wondering what the AM kill could mean, which would be odd for w!True to do if he fearkilled AM because he was in her POE..

Oh no, talking about the nk is one of the most commons things for wolves yo do. Since they spent the night thinking of the implications of it

 

[Santygrass]

Is there something in particular of True’s you think I should be addressing?

Yes. True is the counterwagon to Lawpy rn. You not stating reads there or opinions or stuff and focusing on Lawpy in a vaccuum doesnt feel like you solving . I checked MLP game cuz I thought maybe Lawpy is in a similar posistion where Cray was there. And I noticed there *was* a difference. So I think its more likely that you are pushing a V!Lwapy here as a wolf, rather than a V!Zenge doing gamesolving and reaching the conclussion that Lawpy is the most wolfy slot

 

[Zenge142]

I think they are paired af, and my view could possibly be tainted because I think that is the more likely pack. Despite True being a wagon, Zenge has focused on Lawpy and almost hasnt been addressing True , which I think its wolfy wowee.
Like, I think the staticness may be due to to True not having much threadpull and being absent most of the day. If Zenge/True are a pack, their approach to the game goes by trying to not interact so much with the other I'd say. Like making an effort to not appear paired

Have you stopped to notice that True hasn’t voted yet?

I don’t think it’s impossible that he and LaWWpy are paired.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Yes. Zenge was villa there and I think comparing to this game the approach/solving is different. But wanted you to also check it and sanity check me, since you played there, know zenge more and I trust that you are Villa ehe

Okay, probably a good thing to refresh since all I remember is PAIN and PANIC

 

[NateTheLesser]

I don't think this is out of the realm of possibility for w!True. I wanna say he did something similar with one of the NKs in Ass Class.

With that one, did he make a push elsewhere based on the NK? The lack of push is what makes me hmm.

 

[Santygrass]

Have you stopped to notice that True hasn’t voted yet?

I don’t think it’s impossible that he and LaWWpy are paired.

Have you done any question to True to figure that out or solve in that direction? Is where Im looking at and dont find in you.
I think you are tunneling in the premise Lawpy is a wolf , and stop your view of the world there. Almost all the other stuff regarding to reads from yours I think are mostly stuff that I had to question you?
Where as in the MLP you were on Cray ass for the sketchy claim, but yourself had considered worlds in where they were Villa, had an altenate me/dubz solve, etc etc which I see as a more organic solving?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

With that one, did he make a push elsewhere based on the NK? The lack of push is what makes me hmm.

I don't think so? I think he just made some comments, but I'm not totally sure.

 

[Santygrass]

Have you done any question to True to figure that out or solve in that direction? Is where Im looking at and dont find in you.
I think you are tunneling in the premise Lawpy is a wolf , and stop your view of the world there. Almost all the other stuff regarding to reads from yours I think are mostly stuff that I had to question you?
Where as in the MLP you were on Cray ass for the sketchy claim, but yourself had considered worlds in where they were Villa, had an altenate me/dubz solve, etc etc which I see as a more organic solving?

I said I wanted to psv to compare before saying what I though but I have one Big mouth and dont know how to shut up. Skill Issue

 

[NateTheLesser]

Yeet True

 

[NateTheLesser]

Yeet mkg

And words on this when you have a moment. MKG is still pretty neutral for me.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

And words on this when you have a moment. MKG is still pretty neutral for me.

I'm trying to poke her into putting some effort into the game.

 

[Truenamer]

Popping in for hot moment to say that I agree, wolves absolutely discuss nks and nk reasoning

See y'all at 7

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I said I wanted to psv to compare before saying what I though but I have one Big mouth and dont know how to shut up. Skill Issue

I'll still go back and double check. Uh, maybe.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Popping in for hot moment to say that I agree, wolves absolutely discuss nks and nk reasoning

See y'all at 7

Oh boy. When you come back at 7 will it be with a video brag?