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nicts said:
The meet and greet at the end of the day is pretty casual. All the vet students who attended had just gotten out of their classes, so they were pretty informally-dressed. I say you should just look clean and generally appropriate.
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Thanks! I appreciate the help!
 
I hope this isn't annoying, but I hope somebody could give me some input. I can't choose between WSU and CSU, I love both so much....im taking any input...or at this point considering letting people just vote on my future. HELP.
 
Lablover12 said:
I hope this isn't annoying, but I hope somebody could give me some input. I can't choose between WSU and CSU, I love both so much....im taking any input...or at this point considering letting people just vote on my future. HELP.
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Congrats on being accepted to both! Is one of them in-state for you? My recommendation is to go with the cheaper tuition. Your future self will thank you to go to a school that gives you less debt. Both schools are very good, you'll get a quality education at either one.

Do you have a spouse that will need to make the move with you and find work/school? Do you have kids that will benefit from family care in one location vs another? If both are no (single, no kids) I would place even more emphasis on selecting the one with less debt.
 
lailanni said:
Congrats on being accepted to both! Is one of them in-state for you? My recommendation is to go with the cheaper tuition. Your future self will thank you to go to a school that gives you less debt. Both schools are very good, you'll get a quality education at either one.

Do you have a spouse that will need to make the move with you and find work/school? Do you have kids that will benefit from family care in one location vs another? If both are no (single, no kids) I would place even more emphasis on selecting the one with less debt.
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Neither are IS for me but im WICHE-supported, so I have IS tuition and scholarships at both. There is a little bit of a tuition difference, but its not so large that it I had considered it a huge factor, for the most part, the scholarships each offered balanced them out. I also don't have any kids of S/O to account for, so other than my pups, its just me. Do you feel like the rank/reputation has a bearing on getting residencies later? I actually went to visit both ( and a couple of other schools, that i've officially ruled out) to get a feel. I loved that at Washington, they say me as a person, not as a number. Their students seemed like a family-- you could tell that they really fostered collaboration there. However Colorado has so many opportunities and the reputation, as well as the fact that they let you take cases in the clinic your third year. I really dont know which would help me succeed more in the future. They both have such incredible programs and so much to offer.
 
Lablover12 said:
Neither are IS for me but im WICHE-supported, so I have IS tuition and scholarships at both. There is a little bit of a tuition difference, but its not so large that it I had considered it a huge factor, for the most part, the scholarships each offered balanced them out. I also don't have any kids of S/O to account for, so other than my pups, its just me. Do you feel like the rank/reputation has a bearing on getting residencies later? I actually went to visit both ( and a couple of other schools, that i've officially ruled out) to get a feel. I loved that at Washington, they say me as a person, not as a number. Their students seemed like a family-- you could tell that they really fostered collaboration there. However Colorado has so many opportunities and the reputation, as well as the fact that they let you take cases in the clinic your third year. I really dont know which would help me succeed more in the future. They both have such incredible programs and so much to offer.
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At WSU, our teaching hospital is attached to the vet school and we are allowed 24hr access to the VTH. You can just walk into whatever ward you like and observe/ help out. Also, there is an opportunity the summer of your first year to act as 4th year student in the Ag barn and take on your own cases/ do all 4th year rotation duties. There is another opportunity much like this in orthopedics (can do it 1st or 2nd yr summer). There is also a paid summer oncology rotation for first and second years that a few lucky students get to participate in. There is amazing opportunity for hands on/ clinical experience starting even your first year. For instance, I'm interested in PT and I can go in and help with the rehab/ pt cases on my free time!

Also, school rank has nothing to do with getting residencies. It's all about making connections with clinicians and a little bit of your personal class rank/ GPA. A lot of it is who you know/ can get to write letters for you.
 
Lablover12 said:
Neither are IS for me but im WICHE-supported, so I have IS tuition and scholarships at both. There is a little bit of a tuition difference, but its not so large that it I had considered it a huge factor, for the most part, the scholarships each offered balanced them out. I also don't have any kids of S/O to account for, so other than my pups, its just me. Do you feel like the rank/reputation has a bearing on getting residencies later? I actually went to visit both ( and a couple of other schools, that i've officially ruled out) to get a feel. I loved that at Washington, they say me as a person, not as a number. Their students seemed like a family-- you could tell that they really fostered collaboration there. However Colorado has so many opportunities and the reputation, as well as the fact that they let you take cases in the clinic your third year. I really dont know which would help me succeed more in the future. They both have such incredible programs and so much to offer.
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School rank won't determine your internship/residencies. If you can impress clinicians at school and get good references, that's what's going to help. Along with great grades and your class rank. Are you interested in any specific aspects of vet med?

I'm not as familiar with what CSU has to offer (3rd years get to take clinical cases? that's cool!) but I can tell you a little bit about the WSU experience.

- COLE: Before you even start school you basically attend camp with your classmates for a few days and do team building activities. I'm a person who loved camp, so it was great! Plus it's just nice to be somewhat acquainted with your classmates and professors before the first day of school. You also have group meetings with your mentors during camp and all through first semester.

- Clubs: Lots of them and you can get as involved as you want. Or start your own if you don't find one that suits you.

- Clinics: You can spend as much or as little time in them as you want in years 1-3. Some of my classmates worked in the VTH during school too.

- Communication class: Practice communicating with actors ("clients") for history taking, explaining diagnostics, delivering bad news, learning to deal with angry clients, etc. You're also recorded for self evaluation. You meet in a group of peers lead by a DVM mentor.

- Spays: Every 3rd year student gets to do their own spay. So there is some hands on aspect of 3rd year (along with plenty of electives all years).

- Diagnostic Challenges: aka DCs. During second year there are 2 special weeks were you're assigned a team, a case (which includes actors again and a stuffed animal patient), and a DVM mentor. You work through a complex case over the week (actually getting blood results back, communicating with the "client" and taking the next steps) and there is a final presentation at the end where you can learn about all the cases. It's meant to walk students through the diagnostic process, help them understand client communication and learn to work together.

- 24 hour access to the school/hospital. Not sure if that's a blessing or a curse, but it's there 😉

- Vet school specific counselors: If you need someone to talk to, there is a dedicated school counselor.

- Research opportunities: Lots of them. It was common to have classmates working in labs during school or in the summer.

- Camaraderie: I like to think you'll find this at any school. But WSU does have a reputation for being very friendly. Classes do feel like families - and like all families there's some amount of dysfunction. But everyone generally has the spirit of working together and lending a hand. If I had a question on the material or needed assistance holding down an animal for a blood draw I was never short of help. No man left behind, that sort of thing.

Here's where I think CSU may have an advantage:

Caseload. WSU is in the middle of nowhere. If you put Moscow and Pullman together, you're at about half the population of Fort Collins. (Or so the internet tells me.) WSU's closest big city is Spokane, which is a third the size of Denver - and further away.

So just statistically speaking, there are more people and therefore more pets so if you're SA this is probably great for more cases. Not sure how it affects the LA caseload, I don't know much about the Ag industry in Colorado. I wasn't able to find breakdowns of hospital caseload for either school.

Then we look at class size: I see for last year CSU admitted 138 and WSU 133. So from a numbers standpoint, similar student numbers with a bigger animal population, you may have more chances at your own clinical patients at CSU. Will that make you a worse vet if you go to WSU? No, you'll still learn from the cases during rounds. You just might not get YOUR own case as much.

That said, I've heard at busier schools some students may feel like they're missing learning opportunities just to keep up with clinic work flow. If you get too many cases at once, it can be challenging to absorb all the little details and learn from them. So 6 of one, half a dozen of another. I'm not sure what your learning style is.

Anyhoo, those are just some things off the top of my head. You won't go wrong with either school. WSU has the better ice cream though 😉 I can guarantee that!
 
Oh, and I just looked on a map and saw that there's a Whole Foods near the CSU VTH. That made me laugh. You will definitely not find anything that upscale in the Moscow Pullman area.

It's completely small town feeling at WSU. Not much to do in the way of city activities or entertainment. Which can be kinda amusing in its own way. We would go out for fries/beer on a Friday and see professors at some of the same places. When there are only a handful of bars to pick from, going out usually means running to to everyone and anyone you know. It's pretty dang quaint like that.

So if you like more urban, upscale things keep in mind that Pullman might not meet your needs.
 
lailanni said:
Oh, and I just looked on a map and saw that there's a Whole Foods near the CSU VTH. That made me laugh. You will definitely not find anything that upscale in the Moscow Pullman area.
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I must add the Moscow Food Co-op is really nice, actually, as far as local/organic/crunchy food shopping is concerned. It may not have existed in its current form the last time you where there, lailanni. They recently moved to really nice digs!

That said, Ft. Collins is a real progressive city with lots to do. Pullman looks like they carved out the corner of a 1,000,000 acre wheat field and had only moderate success building a Soviet-era planned community on it. It is small, but somehow large enough to be impersonal, doesn't have a downtown to speak of, and has embraced the strip-mall mentality intentionally or otherwise. I'd argue it has the worst aspects of both rural town and larger city. That matters more to some people than to others, and some might actually prefer it...but those considering it should be aware that the vibe doesn't appeal to everybody.
 
jfsebastian said:
I must add the Moscow Food Co-op is really nice, actually, as far as local/organic/crunchy food shopping is concerned. It may not have existed in its current form the last time you where there, lailanni. They recently moved to really nice digs!

That said, Ft. Collins is a real progressive city with lots to do. Pullman looks like they carved out the corner of a 1,000,000 acre wheat field and had only moderate success building a Soviet-era planned community on it. It is small, but somehow large enough to be impersonal, doesn't have a downtown to speak of, and has embraced the strip-mall mentality intentionally or otherwise. I'd argue it has the worst aspects of both rural town and larger city. That matters more to some people than to others, and some might actually prefer it...but those considering it should be aware that the vibe doesn't appeal to everybody.
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Hahaha, that is one of the best descriptions of Pullman I've seen 🙂 The Co-Op is pretty cool, I worked there throughout vet school (lived in Moscow too). When I was there it was behind the Kenworthy - is it still in the same spot? I miss that place. I got a free meal with every shift and an employee discount, it was a pretty sweet deal.

Yeah folks, if Pullman isn't your cup of tea you can always check out Moscow. It doesn't have more to do than Pullman, it's just different. Eight miles away from Pullman and across the boarder in Idaho, Moscow has a different vibe. It's got more of a cute main street and may be the most liberal town in Idaho. Really great farmer's market on Saturdays too. It doesn't even really qualify as a commute - just a 10-15 minute drive on a highway that never has traffic. I liked it there much more than Pullman and never regretted living in the next town over.

Of course some people go the other direction and live in Albion (absolutely nothing there) or Colfax (much, much less interesting than Pullman which is saying something).
 
lailanni said:
Hahaha, that is one of the best descriptions of Pullman I've seen 🙂 The Co-Op is pretty cool, I worked there throughout vet school (lived in Moscow too). When I was there it was behind the Kenworthy - is it still in the same spot? I miss that place. I got a free meal with every shift and an employee discount, it was a pretty sweet deal.
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Thank you kindly. I was down in Moscow for the weekend (and most of this afternoon at the cafe in the Coop -- yes, they're still behind the Kenworthy) and happened to spend a couple of minutes over my coffee and turkey-bacon-avocado sandwich pondering just what exactly was wrong with Pullman so I had given it some recent thought.

I am expecting to live in Moscow too, though that probably complicates maintaining in-state tuition (I'm a WA resident). Did you have any experience with that? I'm sure the profs and administration do not care at all in practice and I don't see any ethical issues with it, but I imagine bureaucratically it could cause problems if somebody really wanted to make one.
 
wheatthinners said:

Do any alumni/current students have any thoughts on this? Do you think the quality of education is deficient in certain areas compared to other schools?.​
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I find this highly suspect, because WSU has a great neuroscience research program- coming from myself (a neurobiology major from University of Washington). As you said, it's from 2002, but I know a lot of vets from WSU that have never complained. I would not base any decision I was going to make on something so clearly biased and from so long ago.
 
jfsebastian said:
Thank you kindly. I was down in Moscow for the weekend (and most of this afternoon at the cafe in the Coop -- yes, they're still behind the Kenworthy) and happened to spend a couple of minutes over my coffee and turkey-bacon-avocado sandwich pondering just what exactly was wrong with Pullman so I had given it some recent thought.

I am expecting to live in Moscow too, though that probably complicates maintaining in-state tuition (I'm a WA resident). Did you have any experience with that? I'm sure the profs and administration do not care at all in practice and I don't see any ethical issues with it, but I imagine bureaucratically it could cause problems if somebody really wanted to make one.
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Since you're already accepted in-state they're not going to do much checking up on that. Just have an address in Washington that you use for your permanent address (could be a relative's house, really just any address you can reliably get mail at) and keep your WA driver's license. If you're already registered to vote somewhere in WA you can keep that too.

I was in your shoes too (preferring to live in Moscow for school, accepted IS). Never was an issue. Just used my mom's WA address for everything that mattered. And lots of students have a trailer or rent in Moscow, so it's no big deal at all.
 
wheatthinners said:
I really appreciate the information all you guys are giving out on this thread. I've been looking around the internet and I found this post.

When I went through, the areas this college did NOT provide proper education in were cardiology, ophthalmology, nutrition, emergency medicine and critical care, and dermatology. Other areas with serious deficits in adequate and useful training were neurology, radiology, clinical pathology, anesthesiology, epidemiology and last but not least, pharmacology. Because you just know I calculate pKa's every hour of everyday. .​
Do any alumni/current students have any thoughts on this? Do you think the quality of education is deficient in certain areas compared to other schools?.​
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So basically they felt like they weren't well trained in every aspect of clinical practice. Fair enough. I don't know anyone who comes out of school feeling 100% competent in everything.

Each rotation is 2 weeks long (some are 1 week long). You're absolutely not going to get stellar at each facet of vet med in 2 weeks. You're going to see whatever comes into the hospital on those 14 days. It's not going to be a good representation of everything in that field.

Leading up to rotations you have classes on all those topics. Are they going to make you masters of cardiology, dermatology, nutrition, etc? No. They're going to give you a good idea of where to start, how to recognize a problem and where go from there. It takes years of practice to become completely competent with these specific skills, that's why we have residencies to specialize.

Really it just sounds like they left school feeling like every other new DVM - aware that we don't know everything - and decided to put to blame on the institution. Which, again, may be fair enough. However I don't feel like that is WSU specific, I think it's across the board in most every vet school that doesn't do tracking. I personally would be the first to argue for a change in DVM programs that would offer more clinical experience and less unnecessary training (don't require SA vets to learn equine and vice versa, etc). I think requiring training in LA/SA/equine is a horribly antiquated way to teach and really does more harm than good.

Now to address the CPE... The CPE is the clinical proficiency exam taken end 3rd year/into 4th year - it's computer based where they give you a Hx and diagnostics and you have to connect the dots and diagnose the creature. It's more clinically relevant than the NAVLE, but also more subjective. The NAVLE is less diagnostic and is more like a grab bag of random facts. Most people fail on the first try, but usually everyone is ok by round 2 and 3. (I passed on round 2) I don't remember if it's only 3 tries and you have to meet with progress committee (bad news) or if they've expanded it to allow more attempts.

I would lean to agree with the poster. The CPE was probably a $hit show when they first started. It didn't help that they gave the students 3 tries on a brand new school exam before failing them out of the DVM program (which is what I gather from their post and that article). That's harsh. I would harbor some pretty negative feelings too if I was threatened with failing out of vet school just before graduation because of a new exam they just invented.

So long story short, that's how I'd interpret it. Frustration at not being a medical wizard right out of school and bitter feelings towards the CPE which may have been justified. In my year no one had ever heard of failing out just from the CPE, so I take it that there's been improvement since then.


 
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Though I did enjoy my interview, and the tour, I have decided to accept the admission offer from my IS school. :soexcited:WSU and Pullman didnt have quite the right feel for me, though the students in the program I spoke with seemed pretty happy with it. But I am sure there are many perspectives on the school, depending on how it fits with your personality and learning style!

I am actually really thankful that the school I am going to next year doesnt do tracking because I want to be a mixed animal clinic, so i want to know EVERYTHING!

I wish everyone who goes to WSU a fabulous experience and a wonderful education!🙂 God bless!!😀
 
JESUSfreak214 said:
Though I did enjoy my interview, and the tour, I have decided to accept the admission offer from my IS school. :soexcited:WSU and Pullman didnt have quite the right feel for me, though the students in the program I spoke with seemed pretty happy with it. But I am sure there are many perspectives on the school, depending on how it fits with your personality and learning style!

I am actually really thankful that the school I am going to next year doesnt do tracking because I want to be a mixed animal clinic, so i want to know EVERYTHING!

I wish everyone who goes to WSU a fabulous experience and a wonderful education!🙂 God bless!!😀
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Congrats and best wishes! 🙂

Hahaha, I wish I was mixed animal - would have made vet school lots more interesting! But I definitely didn't want anything to do with horses, cows, or misc farm animals so that part of the curriculum was like pulling teeth for me. All the extra time and brain space I could have used for species I wanted to work with! I think I would have enjoyed my learning experience more if I was tracking. But it is what it is 🙂
 
Upon a quick glance I didn't see anything from any OOS applicants that might have interviewed recently. I live in California and I interviewed last Wed (Feb 4). I'm trying to find out if anyone (OOS) has been notified of acceptance (to Pullman, non-WICHE state). Thanks!
 
FurBee said:
Upon a quick glance I didn't see anything from any OOS applicants that might have interviewed recently. I live in California and I interviewed last Wed (Feb 4). I'm trying to find out if anyone (OOS) has been notified of acceptance (to Pullman, non-WICHE state). Thanks!
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I interviewed on Friday Feb. 6 and I was told that we would hear about our status in 2 weeks via email, which is about a week away from today. 🙂 Hope that helps! I also found out that about 100 OOS interviews were held, 60 will get acceptances with 35 seats available.. if I remember correctly.
 
wheatthinners said:
I really appreciate the information all you guys are giving out on this thread. I've been looking around the internet and I found this post.

When I went through, the areas this college did NOT provide proper education in were cardiology, ophthalmology, nutrition, emergency medicine and critical care, and dermatology. Other areas with serious deficits in adequate and useful training were neurology, radiology, clinical pathology, anesthesiology, epidemiology and last but not least, pharmacology. Because you just know I calculate pKa's every hour of everyday. .​


Additionally, I was a member of the class whom the university turned a blind eye when the college disregarded and trampled our student rights and screwed us over when it came to implementing their highly subjective "clinical proficiency examination" (CPE). Of course, it sounds so much better when they say it here: http://www.utpjournals.com/jvme/tocs/322/219.pdf

Couldn't have run a test pilot for even one year and tweaked the exam based on the data collected before having it actually be able to negatively impact not only a student's studies, but life via dismissal from the program as late as mere weeks before commencement (and were). Oh, no. Never mind for a moment from what a joke the CPE is these days with multiple test and retesting occurring. Thanks to WSU, the clinical faulty and, of course the "man" himself, Dick DeBowes, they took an already stressful clinical year and not only decided to crank that stress from a normal maxed out "10" to "23", but made it an utterly miserable experience. Perhaps the linked journal article should have included data from Dr. Ruby of just how many of my classmates went on antidepressants that year.

As a result, I will NEVER give money back to either the university or the college. Nor will I EVER forgive the clinical faculty involved, including good old Dick. You all fundamentally changed my relationship with the profession, and it was not in a positive way.

If I could do it over again, here's what I would have done. I would have accepted EVERY seat I was offered in the Spring (3 + 2 wait lists) and then made my decision once I knew my funding status for every school. My "decision" would have been what chair at what college it was actually in on the first day of class. If I had done this, I would have gone to CSU. And if I had gone to CSU, I am absolutely confident I would not be the veterinarian I am today. I would be vastly better. And happier.

In case all the above is not clear: If WSU was the only CVM left in the world, and I had the chance to do it over, I absolutely would not do it again. WICHE students? Go to Oregon. Go to Colorado. Go anywhere but here.
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This is definitely not to slander the school in any way, I didn't write this. My experience there when I interviewed was great! But this does give another perspective about WSU. I mean I definitely take this with a grain of salt, considering it's just an unsubstantiated post on the internet and it's from 2002, but it's a pretty scathing review. I would think that they've smoothed out any potential problems by now regarding the CPE, or whatever it is, but I was concerned about the deficiencies in certain areas of education.

Do any alumni/current students have any thoughts on this? Do you think the quality of education is deficient in certain areas compared to other schools?.​
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I'd like to add that you get out what you put in. I've honestly heard a lot of bad things about CSU too (don't wish to share on public forums) that make me soooo happy I'm at WSU. Think about how short a vet program is. Vet school gives you the knowledge base to use to grow as a vet. But you also have to have problem solving skills and know how to read extra literature and seek extra experiences out on your own time. You cannot become an expert after 4 short years of mostly book work. It sounds like this human has a fundamental misunderstanding of how vet school works. It is not magic. You get out what you put in. You can have the best class/ professor and still come out incompetent because you didn't put work into really learning the material.

This school really cares about their students and we basically get to choose if certain professors get to keep teaching a certain subject (within reason). They take evaluations very seriously and are constantly improving the program. I would not take one pissy review as a sampling of our entire college. I, as well as so many of my classmates have expressed that we are at the best school for us and wouldn't change it for anything. So there is another, more current, side to things.
 
Mysterymare said:
At WSU, our teaching hospital is attached to the vet school and we are allowed 24hr access to the VTH. You can just walk into whatever ward you like and observe/ help out. Also, there is an opportunity the summer of your first year to act as 4th year student in the Ag barn and take on your own cases/ do all 4th year rotation duties. There is another opportunity much like this in orthopedics (can do it 1st or 2nd yr summer). There is also a paid summer oncology rotation for first and second years that a few lucky students get to participate in. There is amazing opportunity for hands on/ clinical experience starting even your first year. For instance, I'm interested in PT and I can go in and help with the rehab/ pt cases on my free time!

Also, school rank has nothing to do with getting residencies. It's all about making connections with clinicians and a little bit of your personal class rank/ GPA. A lot of it is who you know/ can get to write letters for you.
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What summer ortho opportunities are there? that really grabbed my attention. I visited both schools and loved both schools, but I really loved the students at WSU....my biggest reason for considering CSU was the opportunities that came from their reputation, but if I would get the same opportunities at WSU, I definitely know where I will be going.
 
Lablover12 said:
What summer ortho opportunities are there? that really grabbed my attention. I visited both schools and loved both schools, but I really loved the students at WSU....my biggest reason for considering CSU was the opportunities that came from their reputation, but if I would get the same opportunities at WSU, I definitely know where I will be going.
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It is basically a rotation where you act as a 4th year and do all of the paperwork, do ortho exams, assist with surgeries, talk to clients etc. I think is is a 2 or 3 week rotations.
 
@Lablover12 there are also tons of jobs available around the hospital where you can gets some hands on experience or at least see cool stuff. You can also just a walk into the hospital all summer and ask to help with stuff. My friend was in the right place at the right time and got to do a spinal tap.
 
Got my acceptance letter Friday, and made the decision today to accept!! I loved WSU's program and people, and I can't wait to be a part of it! OOS from Colorado, btw.
 
Congrats to those accepted! Did you guys happen to interview earlier in the week as OOS-ers? I'm anxiously waiting for an email now, seeing that you guys already heard back! :whistle:
 
I am an OOS applicant from Maine, and I interviewed in the morning on Monday, February 2nd (so, the first day of interviews!), and I got my acceptance email this past Friday evening, February 13th. So, it definitely sounds like they may have only reached out to earlier interviewees at this point -- I am sure you will hear soon! I know at my interview they told me I'd hear back between 2 and 3 weeks. I'm sending good vibes your way!
 
Has anyone that interviewed OOS received a denial email? I interviewed Feb 5th (like some others on here) and just want to know if they plan on sending denials, or if no news essentially means a denial? Until then, I'll keep checking my email incessantly.
 
No OSS denial email here. Interviewed earlier that week. Continue to check email frequently as well.
 
shakalohawaii said:
Congrats to those accepted! Did you guys happen to interview earlier in the week as OOS-ers? I'm anxiously waiting for an email now, seeing that you guys already heard back! :whistle:
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I interviewed on Thursday, February 5th and heard back on Friday, February 13th. Not sure whether they plan on sending out denials or not...I'd imagine so, but they told us when we interviewed that we'd likely hear back in about 2 weeks, so you have a little time still. Best of luck!
 
cjtucson said:
Has anyone that interviewed OOS received a denial email? I interviewed Feb 5th (like some others on here) and just want to know if they plan on sending denials, or if no news essentially means a denial? Until then, I'll keep checking my email incessantly.
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I interviewed on Friday, February 6th and when I asked how we would find out they said some people will get emails, some letters, and some phone calls, it really just depends. That gave me the idea that we may not all find out at once.
 
Are there any other OOS that interviewed the week of February 2nd that still haven't heard anything?
 
Today's mail brought the news I am alternate I have i idea what number... OOS
 
cheetahchick1122 said:
If the wait list isn't ranked, do you know how it works?
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From what I have read, they pick an alternate depending on the type of person that declined her offer. So if she's a small animal OOS, then they look for a small animal OOS. But I could be totally wrong.

Got my alternate letter today🙁
 
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