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PippyPony said:
I mean really -- explain to me how that looks even remotely sketch.
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It was not inherently sketchy until you tooted your own horn for reading wolf genny well.

I think we may be convert hunting now and I know you like to "set up" the remaining wolves for success the rest of the game so that whole exchange between the 2 of you close to the end of lynch may have been your attempt at just that.
 
allieh8607 said:
Then why the cold feet at the end?
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PippyPony said:
Because like 5 people jumped on that vote in as many minutes, with half of them saying "I haven't fully caught up yet"?
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Yeah I would have done the same. That was quite the bandwagon pile-on. Though if there was a conversion Pips or WZ would be my guesses at converts.
 
Crayola227 said:
you're quitting for reals?????

do we get a sub? I don't want to lose any numbers in this game
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No I'm not quitting for real
I'm just quitting WW forever because apparently I'm better at playing when I'm not actually playing 😛
 
allieh8607 said:
so that whole exchange between the 2 of you close to the end of lynch may have been your attempt at just that.
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This was in fact the exchange I was referring to, but I don't much want to entertain the thought for the moment
 
PippyPony said:
I will say I am very confused about some elements of the wolf strategy over the past couple days though lol
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I am too if certain people are wolves..

allieh8607 said:
It was not inherently sketchy until you tooted your own horn for reading wolf genny well.

I think we may be convert hunting now and I know you like to "set up" the remaining wolves for success the rest of the game so that whole exchange between the 2 of you close to the end of lynch may have been your attempt at just that.
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Yeah this was my first thought too. I just feel like it would be a huge risk to let another wolf go down this early, but tinfoil hat of we don't think pips would do that as a convert so she might have done just that. But I bet we started with 3 originals so if there is a convert, I'm not quite ready to convert hunt.
 
I am putting the tinfoil hat on, that either LIS or Pippy who got a lot of village cred for YK's death D1, did bus a sketchy noob (I always considered YK a sketchy noob, didn't she wolf decently in one of the last couple games? noobs always remain sketch in people's minds, doubly so if they wolf OK right out of the gate) in order to gain some hardcore village armor at the cost of a noob likely to get lynched before end game anyway?

We sorta discounted it based on the fact the wolves likely don't have a lot of numbers. But 3/16 wolves or 2/16, maybe a clever wolf like Pippy or LIS, not having the numbers, thought in a small game less wolves, yet better armored, stood a better chance hidden among the sheep.

We already thought a wolf was likely on the YK vote if not leading it. Why not leading it?

Listen I'm not in love with this idea, but I had to put it out there. I don't ever like the idea of trusting anyone too much based on anything, really. Wolves love creating scenarios where they get discounted.
 
WildZoo said:
This was in fact the exchange I was referring to, but I don't much want to entertain the thought for the moment
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Am I missing some obvious reason why you don't want to entertain this thought, or is it just frustration?
 
Crayola227 said:
I am putting the tinfoil hat on, that either LIS or Pippy who got a lot of village cred for YK's death D1, did bus a sketchy noob (I always considered YK a sketchy noob, didn't she wolf decently in one of the last couple games? noobs always remain sketch in people's minds, doubly so if they wolf OK right out of the gate) in order to gain some hardcore village armor at the cost of a noob likely to get lynched before end game anyway?

We sorta discounted it based on the fact the wolves likely don't have a lot of numbers. But 3/16 wolves or 2/16, maybe a clever wolf like Pippy or LIS, not having the numbers, thought in a small game less wolves, yet better armored, stood a better chance hidden among the sheep.

We already thought a wolf was likely on the YK vote if not leading it. Why not leading it?

Listen I'm not in love with this idea, but I had to put it out there. I don't ever like the idea of trusting anyone too much based on anything, really. Wolves love creating scenarios where they get discounted.
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Because certain people would probably be dead right now if that were the case
 
allieh8607 said:
It was not inherently sketchy until you tooted your own horn for reading wolf genny well.

I think we may be convert hunting now and I know you like to "set up" the remaining wolves for success the rest of the game so that whole exchange between the 2 of you close to the end of lynch may have been your attempt at just that.
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Nope, that was just genny getting pissed at me as per usual lol

Sorry to disappoint
 
Coop and WZ where the other ones who dinged my radar early on. Not sure I've felt any difference in tone that might have otherwise swung me strong to village with them. In the absence of that I have to fall back on my gut.
 
WildZoo said:
@WeimMama Anything interesting happen to you last night?
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Yeah, I had a colon cleanse 😛

but actually, someone offered me a referral to a drug treatment program, I accepted, and apparently I got a "facial/colon cleanse" ate veggies, got preached to about the dangers of illicit substances, and was still the same after. I.e. I felt great but still had impulses.
 
WeimMama said:
Yeah, I had a colon cleanse 😛

but actually, someone offered me a referral to a drug treatment program, I accepted, and apparently I got a "facial/colon cleanse" ate veggies, got preached to about the dangers of illicit substances, and was still the same after. I.e. I felt great but still had impulses.
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I wonder if that means you were protected last night and that’s why there was no kill.
 
capri1722 said:
I wonder if that means you were protected last night and that’s why there was no kill.
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It’s possible though it’s kinda weird if it was protection that I was “offered” it and could take it or not.
 
Maybe I'm missing another subtle clue but I'm a little confused why this questioning of WeimMama's escapades last night is happening after the lynch cycle is over...
 
capri1722 said:
Idk but I did appreciate the info. Helps confirm the 3 original wolves + no conversion last night theories imo.
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Does it? You seem to be pushing this theory quite a bit and I'm not so sure we can say for sure one way or the other.
 
allieh8607 said:
Does it? You seem to be pushing this theory quite a bit and I'm not so sure we can say for sure one way or the other.
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What theory? About the number of original wolves and whether there was a conversion? I really haven’t been pushing any theories in that respect. Pips and Dubz have talked more about it than I have.
 
TLDR:
Doesn't matter how many wolves there are, for the most part.
Conversion is always on the table, no matter what.
No one can be totally trusted, no matter what.
Makes no difference to me when I go looking for wolves. A wolf is a wolf.

I mean, sometimes it makes sense to me to pontificate about how many wolves there are when you're trying to analyze wolfpack behavior and sort out wolf-wolf interactions, but otherwise, it doesn't really frakking matter. There's wolves until we kill the last one and the game is over.

I know it seems like I'm all for convert hunting, but the reality is this,
-you have to come up with top wolf candidates from analysis, analyze them, and vote them
-rinse and repeat
-you have to have some people on village lean or the paranoia is too great to function, you have to consider some theories and info as coming from villagers or get nowhere in a twisty wash cycle of circular paranoia where I live.

That said, you also have to continually reconsider the people on the "likely village" list. Anything weird happens, like a rez, or with LIS, you have to put them on the watch list. They don't get to be on the trusted villager list. I know that seems like convert hunting, but it's not.

I don't care if someone is an original wolf, I don't care if someone was an innocent child, I don't care if there is a lack of mod or game clues pointing to conversion. Conversion can always happen, and a wolf is a wolf, and we hunt them until they're dead.
 
genny said:
Just found out this game started and that AM was a wolf in the lounge game. Fooled me in PM!

I do find it sketchy that you lived through the night. Makes me squint at both you and WZ. And maybe LIS if he read his role PM yesterday.
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In response to Pippy. I find it interesting to re-read the thread when there's time, after each death, as it puts in perspective who was sincere (villagers) and who for sure was lying. It's true that many wolves include truth, but there's always some dishonesty. Yes, it's a mix. I just find it illuminating to read exchanges when you at least know what someone's true agenda is.

I don't mean to suggest that genny's post is incorrect or correct about these folks.

It's interesting going back, that I commented to Mixy that leading a vote on a wolf gets someone hardcore village cred. This was before LIS and Pippy voted. This is the sorta thing they would do anyway, but one has to wonder one thought it would be an extra awesome move after I planted that in everyone's minds.
 
WildZoo said:
I didn't actually realize this roster was so small.

I'm currently a little confused about LIS picking on kal for OT posts when they happened during a night cycle (and we were all joking around before Cray went...cray on mixy). Granted kal's later response wasn't great, but I'd like to hear more from LIS about that initial motivation.
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Reread this thinking about whether or not WZ or LIS is a wolf, and tell me which way you take it.
 
PippyPony said:
Lynch @allieh8607

She's been absent for a full night cycle + almost a whole day cycle + a nyanko check-in, so I feel like it's justified to start pushing a bit harder for participation.
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I'm not sure on Allieh, as I've said. I had her as villagery back when I said so, but this reread is giving me the chance to incorporate more recent posts into that.

Just taking note here that Pip started the focus on Allie. Could be justified, I'll have to keep reading.
 
Mad Jack said:
This is correct. Might sour me on one side or the other this early on. I was specifically told to pick favorites, and I am aware of how many people from each side participate in a given lynch.
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I'm seriously wondering what this means, especially since I think it was implied that MJ gives out drugs. What does the last sentence mean???
 
WeimMama said:
Is there a reason why your vote went there over one of the others who haven’t had anything to say today? Just curious.

I don’t think we’ve heard anything from snowy or stellamudd..

For now,

***lynch stellamudd***
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Pip's vote on Allie, bothers me for this same reason. BUT, the whole comment from WM bothers me too. WM has bothered me overall. This comment could be village. It also has a ring of lazy wolf. I dunno.

Just have a chance to draw attention before I have a change to night die, if that is what happens. Or wake up to some answers. I'm staying up for that super blue blood moon.
 
PippyPony said:
Oooh ooh I know! I know!

Tell you what -- you guys can lynch me in a couple days if I haven't found a wolf, mmk? I have a giant anatomy exam coming up and probably shouldn't be playing past Wednesdayish anyways. Just lemme get my fix in first 😉
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My eye always twitches when someone says, "it's OK to lynch me if..." especially this comment. Conveniently then Pippy is on the lynch that ends YK D1. This comment could come off like a set up.
 
WildZoo said:
It is.
Because it could also be someone who played the Baking game. It could be someone who played neither but knew that killing AM would point towards a player in one or both of those games. Or even someone who played neither but just looked at who lived long recently. It could be a combination of these people within the same pack, even!

As you said though, d1.

In the interest of not widening the field...

lynch allie
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Someone else didn't like this idea of not widening the field and going for Allie. Perhaps more posts will make this more clear.
 
allieh8607 said:
Well for starters, his first lynch vote was a contingency, which happens at night. So yeah, I believe he was fully aware it was a night cycle.
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PippyPony said:
Because he used an item on me for the day cycle, so knew it was day time as of this morning.
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Why have we forgotten this? It seems like a clear case of evidence LIS should have known better, yet he played the ditz card and said whoopsie. Which he's done many more times since, I wouldn't be surprised I end up quoting them.

PippyPony said:
Couple things...


Can you clarify how this would be a wolf cover up?
Particularly because you then said this:


Also, you're voting for me and are suspicious of LIS...


...but you don't have many feels?
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Pippy's response to YK posts. Interested me at the time... that they were suspicious of LIS yet voting elsewhere. I did that as a wolf too, in an attempt to shield my fellow wolf. It doesn't look good as a wolf to avoid your furry brethren too much.

PippyPony said:
There is not really much else to say on that front; he used an item this morning. That should be enough information to understand why i know he knows we are in a day cycle as of now.

It does not preclude him thinking it was a day cycle last night when he voted (which is why it is weak reasoning). Just thought the timing was a little weird, maybe he was backtracking without thinking about it.
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genny said:
Interesting that you were told it was LIS. And that it was an item.
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Clearly in hindsight genny fishing for info. That exchange read as wolf on villager (which I stated before genny's flip). This exchange also makes me think genny was trying to throw shade on a villager Pippy.

PippyPony said:
Oh lookee that.

Contingency lynch allie
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Maybe Pippy can explain this quote, her lynch vote for Allie was given right after we got a mod post (can't remember which now).

The reason I'm looking so hard at Pippy, LIS, and Allie, is because I'm trying to get a read on Allie. Incidentally there's been enough on LIS and Pippy I'm trying to figure them out too.

PippyPony said:
Not saying i wouldn't bus, but honestly it is not particularly my style to do it that early without some justification. Better to keep wolf #s up as long as possible. But WIFOM that however you want.

However, look at the timing of both of us pushing that lynch and tell me if either one looks like a bus to you.

Meanwhile...looks to me like you, allie, dubz (and to a lesser degree, capri) all pulled attention away from YK.
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Pippy's point seems real... that Allie, WZ, or Capri was trying to pull attention off YK. But the second comment screams "Look at the wolf camo I created by bussing!"

allieh8607 said:
Because I thought LIS was sketchy? Ok.
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:eyebrow:

PippyPony said:
And, side note -- the fact that you're only raising your eyebrow at me for this makes me want to return the favor. Why wouldn't you want to look at LIS?

Feels like you're trying to drive the idea of me being sketch at the exclusion of other players. Which, incidentally, is the same thing you kinda accused me of earlier today.
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I think Pip said this to genny. Pushes me back to thinking village Pip.
 
LetItSnow said:
Oh hell yes. Another first-lynch wolf kill. I love it.

I also love how all you people think I wouldn't goof up night/day - I am the player that routinely forgets to check PMs for a few days. C'mon people - I am so much less on top of this **** than you all think.

In regards to the person I was PM'ing temporarily, here is the response I sent (and then deleted) before I saw my mod PM saying the PM'ing was done.

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That seems like a super odd question.

And I'm always annoyed when people mine me for data without giving me anything in return.

This time I'll let it go - yes, [edited, but the answer to your question is yes]

Next time - come bringing info before you expect an answer.
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This reads pretty wolfy as a PM post, to me at least. I have strong feelings on how PM'ing should be approached, fine if it's just me.

Part of these posts are an attempt to help us review.
 
LetItSnow said:
Although I'm still amused at how y'all think I'd be soooooo on top of it that I might not get mixed up being night/day, forget where we're at in the game, etc.

I play this game on autopilot, people.

Kinda like I ER vet ****.
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Yet another comment that smacks of LIS playing dumb. Might be real.
 
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