WWhere There's a WWhisk, There's a WWay! - Game Thread

[Animal Midwife]

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@capri1722 I see you liking posts about VA being sketch, but you're voting for me. Why is that?

 

[VicariousAsparagus]

The item didn't mention what it did? And if so, you thought it was a good idea to just use it at random not knowing what it did?

EDIT: Nevermind on the first question because I now see the description was posted. But would still be happy with an answer to the second question.

Well, yeah. You walk into a room with a big red button and you DON'T hammer it with all your might?

 

[finnickthedog]

It also seems like it didn't work...?

Has anyone else seen that item?

Well, we don't know for sure given that we don't know what it was actually supposed to do... but I would agree that it doesn't seem to have "whisked away any worries".

 

[PippyPony]

Well, yeah. You walk into a room with a big red button and you DON'T hammer it with all your might?

I only hammer it if it says "DANGER! DO NOT TOUCH"

 

[Animal Midwife]

And this is unusual (for me) because...? You've played with me far more than Mel so the fact that you're running hard with his BS is bizarre.

Especially in light of the next comment...



You expect me to be quieter, but you're all for testing out Mel's BS about me being wolfy for--essentially--being quiet? And how in the world do you figure I'm "not phased" by any votes on me? If anything I've been fairly aggressive in defending myself and you just said that Mel said I only respond when called out which presumably you agree with or you wouldn't be running with the vote. Furthermore, if it was true how would not being phased by lynch votes be wolfy behavior? Did this game change when I had my back turned? Are wolves no longer concerned about getting lynched?

Why am I called out for "following Mel BS" whenever I'm able to PM with him? It's not you being quiet, it's was the intense focusing on him and I know you're good at keeping your cool as a wolf.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Still kinda sketched out: They've been quiet and not very contributory. On the other hand, they did vote for me, which I feel like gives villager points at this juncture. I'm sketchy as hell. I give Pippy villager points for the same reason. I don't think wolves would vote for me because I should be a fairly easy lynch vote and I haven't shown much insight (I led the lynch on Mel.)

So, still leaning wolfy then?

 

[capri1722]

@capri1722 I see you liking posts about VA being sketch, but you're voting for me. Why is that?

I have thought VA was suspicious since D1 but at the moment I’m more convinced they’re an odd villager than a wolf. Plus I was sketched out by you voting for Finn with little to no reason so I was waiting to see your responses before I considered changing my vote.

 

[PippyPony]

Why am I called out for "following Mel BS" whenever I'm able to PM with him?

Because he wears a cloud of sketch like pigpen and his dust?

 

[finnickthedog]

Why am I called out for "following Mel BS" whenever I'm able to PM with him?

Maybe because you're following it? You can't even explain why you're voting for me without multiple inconsistencies so really it seems the basis of your vote is that "Mel said so and I just believe it because I do." Even though Mel's justifications for why he thought I was a wolf--unless you're hiding something big--were generally based on bad assumptions and mischaracterizing things I said. That constitutes following his BS. Just calling it like I see it.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I have thought VA was suspicious since D1 but at the moment I’m more convinced they’re an odd villager than a wolf. Plus I was sketched out by you voting for Finn with little to no reason so I was waiting to see your responses before I considered changing my vote.

Mel tells me his suspicions. He dies. He's a villager. "Little to no reason". Okay then.

 

[VicariousAsparagus]

Well, we don't know for sure given that we don't know what it was actually supposed to do... but I would agree that it doesn't seem to have "whisked away any worries".

Can't worry if you're dead!

So, still leaning wolfy then?

Yeah, but also considering maybe they're just kinda nooby. They've latched onto me since I picked up lawper's attack on them, and that sort of retaliatory voting seems more noob than wolf (speaking as a noob myself).

Right now I'm starting to give more consideration to finn. They didn't have anything from the res-ing discussion to exculpate them from wolfing, and they've been going after mel and cdoc who have turned out to be useful villagers. They also asked Kara if they could wolf when we were in MI, if that matters at all (I'm assuming it doesn't). Not super sure, but since I want to avoid another late vote like last night, for now I'm going to

Lynch finn

 

[capri1722]

Mel tells me his suspicions. He dies. He's a villager. "Little to no reason". Okay then.

Tbf, just saying “Mel thought she was suspicious” as your only reason is a lil sketchy without further explanation.

So I’m finally (finally, after a 90 minute delay 😡) on my flight to Chicago and will be unable to check in for the next five or six hours so I’ll see y’all then.

 

[PippyPony]

Not super sure, but since I want to avoid another late vote like last night, for now I'm going to

Lynch finn

I don't want to discourage early voting so I'm a little hesitant to say this, but this also reads a little like someone coached you to vote earlier today.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Maybe because you're following it? You can't even explain why you're voting for me without multiple inconsistencies so really it seems the basis of your vote is that "Mel said so and I just believe it because I do." Even though Mel's justifications for why he thought I was a wolf--unless you're hiding something big--were generally based on bad assumptions and mischaracterizing things I said. That constitutes following his BS. Just calling it like I see it.

What inconsistencies? I feel like it's rather easy for people to brush off his suspicions by claiming he's way off course every game. We decimated an entire wolf team (minus the convert) by sharing theories and concerns.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Tbf, just saying “Mel thought she was suspicious” as your only reason is a lil sketchy without further explanation.

So I’m finally (finally, after a 90 minute delay 😡) on my flight to Chicago and will be unable to check in for the next five or six hours so I’ll see y’all then.

Seriously? Mel even mentioned to look into her right before he was lynched.

 

[VicariousAsparagus]

I don't want to discourage early voting so I'm a little hesitant to say this, but this also reads a little like someone coached you to vote earlier today.

Definitely a fair concern, but it's more that I voted at 11:57PM, used my whisk at 11:58PM, and then read through what I missed and found out I was still late by 2 hours. I'm lucky I didn't get mod-killed.

 

[finnickthedog]

they've been going after mel and cdoc who have turned out to be useful villagers.

First of all, we believe cdo is a villager at this point. however, we do not know for sure so she has not "turned out" to be anything. Second, they were both vanillager so care to explain why you're painting them as especially useful compared to any other villager?

They also asked Kara if they could wolf when we were in MI, if that matters at all (I'm assuming it doesn't).

And this just isn't even true.

 

[finnickthedog]

He pointed out that finn only responds when called out on the thread.

It's more of the lurking aspect. I expect finn to be quieter because that's how she plays, but she also seems to not be phased by any votes on her.

Why am I called out for "following Mel BS" whenever I'm able to PM with him? It's not you being quiet, it's was the intense focusing on him and I know you're good at keeping your cool as a wolf.

You really think all of those statements are consistent with each other? I don't. And that's not even getting into how they're inconsistent with the things Mel said which is funny since your big reasoning for voting me is "Mel said so."

 

[bryndiana.jones]

Initial thoughts reading this was going to be someone was shoved into a locker middle-school-style and missing for the day à la freezing people in the noob game, but alas no one is missing. Secondary thoughts is that there is a vig item floating around, which was combined with the protection apron that Mixy mentioned yesterday. Tin foil hat theory is that the person shoved is someone like Finn who has some people believing she’s a wolf and others believing she’s village. That or the apron RNG’d to a wolf who used it on a fellow wolf.

"middle-school-style" lmao
So I think there are two possibilities since we found out Paws was also a vanillager:
1. The item is a village item, and the person who has it chooses to use it on who they think is wolfy or,
2. Its a limited use item for the wolves that would allow double kill nights but not so often as to give them that much more of an advantage over village.

Not too sure how items work, but I had a whisk and I used it on Paws last night. Sorry paws! Maybe it causes that person to take the bullet for someone else?

I'll post more later.

Based off of your description, I think someone could interpret the results of using the item in one of two ways:
1. Protection
2. Throwing them to the wolves
We have a protection apron, so maybe this item is one that you use on someone you want to be mauled over whoever the wolves were going to maul that night?

It also seems like it didn't work...?

Has anyone else seen that item?

Have not seen the item, but maybe it did work if its use is to trade out the person who is going to be mauled.

Mel tells me his suspicions. He dies. He's a villager. "Little to no reason". Okay then.

Trilt also point out those she thought were suspicious before she died. Largely Snowy, but she also mentioned Allie voting for someone who did not participate at all was strange. Allie could have voted for anyone else, it did not have to be between Mel and Snowy, she chose someone that imo was a throwaway vote. Is there a reason you are going more off of what Mel said than Trilt?

Edit: last sentence

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Someone want to clarify what the apron does?

Mixy was the one who first brought it up last night after lynch close:

I assume it’s a one-time-use per player and gets passed around via RNG. ETA: And also assume protects a player from night kills. Sorry, forgot to answer your actual question.

So you receive a bakers apron that allows for protection of yourself or one other player. It's good only for the night cycle you received it for. In the morning I got a message saying I put the apron on and felt protected even if I didn't need it. I received the item N2 so didn't have strong feels for anyone really so decided to use on myself. My apron was accompanied with a picture of a blue apron with words on it.

 

[VicariousAsparagus]

First of all, we believe cdo is a villager at this point. however, we do not know for sure so she has not "turned out" to be anything. Second, they were both vanillager so care to explain why you're painting them as especially useful compared to any other villager?



And this just isn't even true.

Both vanillagers, yes, but cdo has the power of spreadsheets. Maybe she is a wolf, but would the wolves have had the ability to redirect the lynch vote that was supposed to kill her then? Mel had some good reads before we bumped him off too.

Also, maybe I'm confusing you with kdubs or someone else then. Sorry about that! Someone definitely asked to be allied with chaos or wolfing.

 

[finnickthedog]

I will add in regards to AM that I still have suspicions based on her seeming not like herself earlier in the game.

However, this determination to vote for me reads pretty normal for her because it reminds me of the whole Kara/AM/Paws situation when I was modding Michigan. She's still wrong here, but I think the inability to defend her vote and just relying on the fact that Mel said so is not inherently wolfy for her--even though inconsistencies usually are.

 

[finnickthedog]

Also, maybe I'm confusing you with kdubs or someone else then. Sorry about that! Someone definitely asked to be allied with chaos or wolfing.

I may have mentioned that I prefer wolfing (which is true) but I would never specifically ask to be a wolf. In my mind the minute I do that and people know I do that, I automatically become more suspicious in all future games. So I prefer to let RNG do what it wants... even though it doesn't like me.

 

[SkiOtter]

They also asked Kara if they could wolf when we were in MI, if that matters at all (I'm assuming it doesn't).

I do not recall her asking to be a wolf and I was sitting right next to finn. So.

I think she said she liked wolfing and has never been chosen as a convert but I don’t recall her asking to be a wolf this game.

 

[SkiOtter]

Both vanillagers, yes, but cdo has the power of spreadsheets. Maybe she is a wolf, but would the wolves have had the ability to redirect the lynch vote that was supposed to kill her then? Mel had some good reads before we bumped him off too.

Who redirected a lynch vote? Cdo was not in the lead at lynch close.

 

[SkiOtter]

Also, maybe I'm confusing you with kdubs or someone else then. Sorry about that! Someone definitely asked to be allied with chaos or wolfing.

Also kdubs wasn’t there...? And is a mod...? Bruh.

 

[VicariousAsparagus]

Also kdubs wasn’t there...? And is a mod...? Bruh.

I'll be honest, if we were to all sit at the same table again, I would get every single one of your names wrong, because I am awful with names. Except AM. Because I refuse to believe AM is older than 14, no matter what anyone says.

Who redirected a lynch vote? Cdo was not in the lead at lynch close.

Yeah, it looks like it was actually me and snowy at actual close. It was me and cdoc a couple pages before that. I swear I'm not drunk.

 

[SkiOtter]

I'll be honest, if we were to all sit at the same table again, I would get every single one of your names wrong, because I am awful with names. Except AM. Because I refuse to believe AM is older than 14, no matter what anyone says.

At least we can agree on one statement. (Ily @Animal Midwife )

 

[WildZoo]

We decimated an entire wolf team (minus the convert) by sharing theories and concerns.

You talkin bout me?

 

[Glammyre]

So, VA's increasingly making me go 😵. Lots of odd logic and messed-up player names.

AM and I have been PMing to discuss suspicions. VA, why did you talk about a pack leader (post was in regards to killerleaf not being one, day 2-ish, I think). I'm trying to decide if this is wolf or villager flailing, and this is the most wolf evidence I have for you so far.

EDIT @VicariousAsparagus. Sorry for forgetting to tag 😳

 

[nohika]

Not sure where my lynch vote is going today.

Would like to hear more from Snowy, also Allie for the somewhat defensive reaction yesterday. No evidence thus far of double kills so I'm a little bit skeptical of them popping up suddenly.

There's an item out there that "protects" night actions from sticking to you, including kills. So it's possible that that was used successfully, perhaps?

 

[allieh8607]

This is the description of the item I had last night: "Most bakers wear an apron to protect themselves from any mess they make. Maybe this apron will provide some protection to someone tonight. You may use this on yourself or another player. Please submit your action by night close. You will not keep this item beyond this cycle." I used it on myself.

I was also told that someone looked into my soul last night.

 

[allieh8607]

Not sure where my lynch vote is going today.

Would like to hear more from Snowy, also Allie for the somewhat defensive reaction yesterday. No evidence thus far of double kills so I'm a little bit skeptical of them popping up suddenly.

If you'd like to point out which specific post of mine seemed defensive, I'll answer.

 

[allieh8607]

lynch VA
until someone else says that they've had the whisk. This whole "oops, sorry, Paws!" charade is making me uncomfortable.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

This is the description of the item I had last night: "Most bakers wear an apron to protect themselves from any mess they make. Maybe this apron will provide some protection to someone tonight. You may use this on yourself or another player. Please submit your action by night close. You will not keep this item beyond this cycle." I used it on myself.

I was also told that someone looked into my soul last night.

I can confirm that's what this item is.

 

[killerleaf]

I will confirm VA's description of the whisk

 

[nohika]

I'm still comfortable with my lynch from yesterday.

lynch VA

Sketches me out.

 

[killerleaf]

I received it and used it on myself. Did not get killed, but no word that anybody tried to, either...and got a clip of 'red red wine'

 

[killerleaf]

Sorry for the one line posts...doing this at work, and keep getting interrupted.

###lynch VA### for reasons that have been previously stated. He still seems sketchy to me.

edit for bolding. sorry.

 

[Karabiner13]

D5 It's an Awesome Day! Lynch Tally

AM (1) - capri
Mixy (1) -LIS
snowy (1) - mixy
finn (2) - am, VAsp
VAsp (4) - pippy, allie, nohika, KL

9/17

Deadline midnight EST (~8.5 hours)

 

[Glammyre]

I will confirm VA's description of the whisk

Sorry for the one line posts...doing this at work, and keep getting interrupted.

###lynch VA### for reasons that have been previously stated. He still seems sketchy to me.

edit for bolding. sorry.

What sketches you out about VA? You answered the whisk question, and I'd like to hear more independent thought from you.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Why does everyone avoid my lynches like the plague?

Do you want people to lynch you? Do you think you're a lunchable this game?

Didn't take time to go back to look for quote. Went and ate dinner then showered then I tried setting up my new employee account for my new job. Again hate me because I used the word honestly yet Sky uses it and has yet to be pointed out and used as sketch points.
ETA: because I hate my computer and don't care anymore.

So you didn't look back for the quote? You just remember saying "honestly" in a specific previous day post. I'm impressed if you aren't lying.

I don't see the mixedanimals lynch, but that's just me. I do see the AM lynch, a ski lynch, or a bryndiana lynch. I believe VA should be lynched as well.

In the manner of self preservation (bc today closes early)

lynch VA

Why do you see the VA lynch and why not a mixy lynch?

 

[cdo96]

but cdo has the power of spreadsheets.

you realize that wolves can and will make spreadsheets too, right? I’m not trying to throw more suspicion on myself, but this is a TERRIBLE merit for judging villagerness

 

[cdo96]

Why do you see the VA lynch and why not a mixy lynch?

for me, unless mixy is a damn good wolf, I don’t think she reads wolf. All of her thoughts align with the village mindset. I’m frequently wrong, I just don’t see it.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

All this last minute waffling is making me fear the wrath of KD.

It's like you knew something strange would happen newb?...

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I don't see cdo's reasoning holding that info she rezzed, but feel like it makes her more villager with not saying anything and her theories on rezzers, the fact she would rez a villager. You guys are discussing this and the rezzing item a lot more then it's worth imo.

*record scratch*
This is why I need to look at lynch results before writing things.
*erases original post about CDO's logic and VMH's vouch*

Basically, VMH's vouch tied her alignment to CDO's, and was delivered too late to actually save CDO. That means that

(1) CDO and VMH are both villagers - CDO rezzed and VMH returned as a villager
(2) CDO is a wolf who revived VMH as a villager for villager cred. VMH vouched because she has no reason to believe otherwise. However, if CDO did it for cred, then she would have revealed a lot earlier.
(3) Tinfoil had theory: CDO is a necromancer role that starts at one member and revives people into new roles in the faction, hence the name change. VMH felt the need to protect her new alpha, and so vouched. Alphas usually have bonus powers like avoiding lynch, and VMH thought her vouch would make CDO look less shady after her survival.

Original post was about why I believed (1) more than the others. With CDO surviving lynch, (3) is now more possible. I'll sleep on it.

If it's a vanillager heavy game/only vanilla game this is probably not a realistic theory. Also, we haven't seen any factions except villagers yet.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

So I just read through at least two pages all about discussion of the rez item...

I don't even feel the need to protect myself, so any "alpha" of mine would probably be on their own lololololol

Haha well at least you would know there's an alpha, LIS would probably still not realize he changed affiliation when rezzed 😛

And does anyone think it would be possible that Cray was also modkilled? I can see Stella for sure, but Cray only hopped on today at the last minute.

So I used the salt item on cray during the day cycle, but didn't get any notification about what it did. Has anyone had that item? It sounded like a helpful item (add spice to any recipe) so I gave it to her because she was one of my most village leans. Anyone know if it's an assassin item? Paws agreed with me that it sounded like a helpful item.

Also, if stella was mod killed, the mod's would have told us that's why she was killed. Since they didn't I'm thinking there is some other weird mechanic in place.

Is creating ties frowned upon?

I'm pretty sure Kara loves ties and KD likes killing both people in a tie, so I don't think this would be a punishment for making a tie.

 

[LetItSnow]

Haha well at least you would know there's an alpha, LIS would probably still not realize he changed affiliation when rezzed 😛

Jerk. I needed to read the PM to know I was rezzed, so even I couldn't miss something like that.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Initial thoughts reading this was going to be someone was shoved into a locker middle-school-style and missing for the day à la freezing people in the noob game, but alas no one is missing. Secondary thoughts is that there is a vig item floating around, which was combined with the protection apron that Mixy mentioned yesterday. Tin foil hat theory is that the person shoved is someone like Finn who has some people believing she’s a wolf and others believing she’s village. That or the apron RNG’d to a wolf who used it on a fellow wolf.

These were my thoughts. Is there anyone who is silenced today (can only like posts?). Or we'll just have to see if someone doesn't comment or post today and doesn't get mod killed to see if someone actually went missing

*tinfoil hat theory: this is a message from the dead in reference to the missing person/person who had that ability from the noob game (I don't know how likely kara is to have the dead have a role in these games.)

I had the apron last night, used it on myself, and was told that it was needed as someone tried to melt me.

I think we would have seen the "freezing" mechanic already if that was at play. Definitely could be a vig item. Not sure what you're really saying with your Finn theory. I think a scenario you're missing is that the wolves may have had a 2 kill night, to make up for the rezzes.

So paws died, someone tried to kill allie, and the freezing could be a vig item that didn't work? Thats a lot of kills for one night.. Since allie used the item on herself, the allie almost kill could be entirely made-up to make her look villagey.

###lynch snowy###
For now, I think the Mel/Snowy thing needs to be completed. Also snowy never answered who they'd lynch besides me and why from yesterday. Paws also died who had been voting for snowy, maybe it's coincidence, maybe not.

Well I'm sad paws died. She was talking to me via pm and started making me think she was village when before she was in my neutral category. Plus if I were a wolf that would be a lot of effort for the other wolves to put in just to save one wolf (first killing trilt then paws). More likely the other wolves would just buss me for village cred. From quick thoughts sky is still up on my wolf list. Also VA with how yesterday's lynch went (wolf mechanic? - yes this theory also puts me under suspicion, but I just don't understand why cray and stella were the ones that died).

Not sure where my lynch vote is going today.

Would like to hear more from Snowy, also Allie for the somewhat defensive reaction yesterday. No evidence thus far of double kills so I'm a little bit skeptical of them popping up suddenly.

I'm working night shift at work today, so unfortunately you probably won't hear much more then I'm posting right now.

He pointed out that finn only responds when called out on the thread.

Is that wolfy behaviour though? Or does finn have just a natural defensive play.. The first few days she was obsessed with mel and wouldn't let up on replying to him/retailary voting him which makes me think villager.

 

[SkiOtter]

I'm pretty sure Kara loves ties and KD likes killing both people in a tie, so I don't think this would be a punishment for making a tie.

Kidney Diet despises last minute waffling though.