WWho Killed Veronica Mars? Game Thread

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@ voice: okay, I see...that's weird. So that thing they're doing--what exactly do you mean by it? Do you know anything more specific about the mechanic? (sorry if communicating like this is confusing :laugh:) And do you know anything about what went on with this lynch?
 
So confused right now. I thought we had one person in the lead. Did someone have a heavy lynch vote? Or a light one that made a 3 way tie?

I don't think I like this, whatever it was.
 
Um... what? I'm kind of interested in those that voted for rocky, maybe one of them has a vote that counts twice?
My only question on that is it sounds like it was going to be a 3 way tie, but they forgot you.
Lazy Error-ridden Lynch tally
Jilary (2) - Kam, Rocky
Rocky (2) - Trilt, LotF
Deva (0) -
RM (3) - Deva, KC, Jil
RM and Rocky "ruled out" and then:
And then there was . . . someone else? It was a long day. Keith thought that maybe there was something he was forgetting, something he was supposed to do, but he couldn't put his finger on it. He went to bed. There was always tomorrow.
Sounds like a lynch avoidance.

I put forward the vote thing trying to make sense of it otherwise since you didn't sound like you expected it. But it makes more sense that either there was a light vote among our 3 to create a 3 way tie or a lynch avoidance, than to claim you were only brought up for flair.
 
I agree that it sounds like a three way tie with avoidance. As far as I know there's nothing wrong or special with my lynch vote. It would make the most sense if one of the RM votes didn't count to make it a tie. My gut is saying there's something fishy about jilary but as its still night I'll wait and see what happens before I get too tunnel vision

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Just thinking this over. If Jil being mentioned as the forgotten someone is somehow just flair... Then I guess we go back to my first thought. I don't have an extra vote.

If we have a light vote, would that be our wolf, or would it be our narrated friend? Who shouldn't have a say in the lynch votes?
 
My only question on that is it sounds like it was going to be a 3 way tie, but they forgot you.

RM and Rocky "ruled out" and then:

Sounds like a lynch avoidance.

I put forward the vote thing trying to make sense of it otherwise since you didn't sound like you expected it. But it makes more sense that either there was a light vote among our 3 to create a 3 way tie or a lynch avoidance, than to claim you were only brought up for flair.
I guess I didn't see it that way because I know I don't have a lynch avoidance. So what you are proposing is that somehow there was a three way tie between me, rocky and rm and all three of us should have been lynched but somehow I escaped? In such a role light game doesn't it seem odd that someone would have three abilities? Assuming you were also accusing me of being the one that created the tie, which it seems at least kcough suspects that.
 
It just looks like a 3 way tie to me from the write up. I would guess a light vote on RM would make more sense than a double vote on both Rocky and you.

I was simply guessing you had a lynch avoidance. But I guess you were one of the 3 votes on RM, so possible I guess, but I would think less likely.
 
It wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that Keith Mars hated Sheriff Don Lamb. Sheriff Lamb had some redeeming qualities, sure, but overall he was a pretentious small-town sheriff who tried to do as little work as possible and didn't care all that much whether he arrested the right guy or not. Mars Investigations and local law enforcement were constantly butting heads.

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Well, Keith still hated the guy, but he didn't kill Veronica. @Devastating, Vanilla Villager, has been cleared.

Something made Keith revisit a previously cleared file. Something was bugging him . . . maybe @SummerTheLynx wasn't as innocent as he seemed? He moved the name from his Cleared file to Current Suspects. Welcome back, STL!

Day 4, deadline is 6:30 pm PST / 7:30 pm MST / 8:30 pm CST / 9:30 pm EST / etc /etc / etc

7 suspects remain

1. @Kam325
2. @LadyOtheFarm
3. @Trilt
5. @SummerTheLynx

8. @Jilary
9. @kcoughli
12. @Saki Nishibi


Cleared

Frozenshades, Chuck Rook
Genny, Liam Fitzpatrick
HTML, Mrs. Manning
Rocky, Lianne Mars
RM, Madison Sinclair
Deva, Sheriff Don Lamb
 
Okay guys, the first conversion happened night two.

Also it seems like whoever is communicating with the mysterious voice ends up getting offed the next night.

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Both me and deva communicated with the voice on the same night. I am pretty sure we were targeted for getting info tbh.


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Anybody get the computer last night? (last 2 nights? Can't remember anybody answering about yesterday.)
 
I think it's about that time in the game to do this:

*********lynch kam*********
Can either make my numbers go to 50% or 66%. I am hoping for the 66%


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Both me and deva communicated with the voice on the same night. I am pretty sure we were targeted for getting info tbh.


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Oh really? I thought I remembered you addressing the mysterious voice and the next day you were gone. Then yesterday deva was doing it and now she's gone.

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Yay STL! Although kinda weird timing on the "rez."

Per Veronica's computer, Jil isn't a wolf.

Not weird timing, if you think about it. Without the rez, we'd be down to 6 today. Lynch wrong, and the two wolves could tie it up and win overnight.
 
And okay, for those who want a bit more knowledge about the voice: it's the ghost of Veronica Mars. Really doubt she is going to be orchestrating the kills against us since we were both trying to help her. And yes, verified to be a ghost, not some conspiracy where she is somehow still alive


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And okay, for those who want a bit more knowledge about the voice: it's the ghost of Veronica Mars. Really doubt she is going to be orchestrating the kills against us since we were both trying to help her. And yes, verified to be a ghost, not some conspiracy where she is somehow still alive


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I was more thinking the wolves were targeting the ones who hear the voice to stop the spread of information

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And okay, for those who want a bit more knowledge about the voice: it's the ghost of Veronica Mars. Really doubt she is going to be orchestrating the kills against us since we were both trying to help her. And yes, verified to be a ghost, not some conspiracy where she is somehow still alive


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If it is the ghost of VM, it would explain why Jil's vote might not count. Which would explain the 3 way tie.
 
Any concern that it would make a lot of sense for the ghost of Veronica to be the one combing through the suspect list, offing those who had wronged her in the past?

I'm a little worried that a Trilt-Jil tag team could fake the computer question and throw us off the scent for just long enough to win the game. Reminds me of Abs and Lupin in the Pern game.
 
Any concern that it would make a lot of sense for the ghost of Veronica to be the one combing through the suspect list, offing those who had wronged her in the past?

I'm a little worried that a Trilt-Jil tag team could fake the computer question and throw us off the scent for just long enough to win the game. Reminds me of Abs and Lupin in the Pern game.

Hmmm..... I mean it's not completely out there, but..... It would make more sense for her to be neutral or chaos. Especially since we are looking for the one who killed Veronica Mars, unless we are going with suicide...

I would focus more on the LOTF/saki group for the original.


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Not weird timing, if you think about it. Without the rez, we'd be down to 6 today. Lynch wrong, and the two wolves could tie it up and win overnight.
I rez'd with an item, actually. I'm not the convert, but I could have been.
Just not burning the rez early was what I meant about weird timing. Makes more sense with it being an item.
 
I'm confused. Why would it be me vs Saki for a wolf? I've been trying to game solve on thread since day one. Saki has barely talked. I guess, I'm trying to figure out what we have in common that would make us a group?

I could get on a Saki lynch, since I feel I don't know anything about her. If that is your problem with me, I've left a couple hints each day as to what role I have.
 
I'm confused. Why would it be me vs Saki for a wolf? I've been trying to game solve on thread since day one. Saki has barely talked. I guess, I'm trying to figure out what we have in common that would make us a group?

I could get on a Saki lynch, since I feel I don't know anything about her. If that is your problem with me, I've left a couple hints each day as to what role I have.

I have it narrowed down to most likely you two for original. It has nothing to do with you two being linked.

And trying to game solve is no indicator of wolf vs villager. I game solve as both a wolf or villager.


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If Jil's vote didn't count I think I would have been tied in the lynch d2. Need to double check.
Rocky (1) - Trilt
Jil (1) - kam
HTML (4) - STL, LoTF, deva, jil
Trilt (3) - HTML, RM, Saki
Saki (1) - Rocky
RM (1) - Kcough

11/11

This is what I tallied.
Yeah, unless we also have a double vote in play (which would have to be LotF because Deva/STL have been death decreed as vanilla), if Jil doesn't count this should have been a tie. But last night's lynch (presuming 3-way tie) doesn't make sense with that.
Lazy Error-ridden Lynch tally
Jilary (2) - Kam, Rocky
Rocky (2) - Trilt, LotF
Deva (0) -
RM (3) - Deva, KC, Jil

So I'm not exactly sure what to make of that and I'm a smidge hungover, but LotF has beeped my radar enough that I'm okay going there:

lynch LotF
 
Had Veronica's computer last night. Asked how many wolves we had.

Response was that the computer glitches and froze a few times but the answer was 1.
This is what was holding me off from lynching LotF because it seems like a bold early lie. It's still making me a little uneasy.
 
Yeah, unless we also have a double vote in play (which would have to be LotF because Deva/STL have been death decreed as vanilla), if Jil doesn't count this should have been a tie. But last night's lynch (presuming 3-way tie) doesn't make sense with that.


So I'm not exactly sure what to make of that and I'm a smidge hungover, but LotF has beeped my radar enough that I'm okay going there:

lynch LotF
What am I missing here? You are going to say it did look like a 3 way tie, Jil is fine somehow getting out of the lynch, and I must have had a double vote, ignoring you and the votes on Jilary (which also would have needed a double vote). I dismissed the idea of you having a double vote because all those things together didn't make sense.

The simplest answer is a no count/light vote on RM and Jil escaping lynch or one of us (you or me) having a double vote and PBC writing in the bit about Keith forgetting about Jil just for funzies.

I am still the vanilla I subtley claimed early on. The only exciting thing that happened was getting the computer night 1.
 
This is what was holding me off from lynching LotF because it seems like a bold early lie. It's still making me a little uneasy.
It wasn't a lie. I even put in the whole "glitches and freezes" thing in the hope that the next people to get the computer would get a similar result and I would be verified.

You have had a pretty good history of helping the game thus far, but this morning is making me wonder.

If either of us had a double vote, I know it isn't me.

I tried to build in proof that I had the computer and asked a question that I thought would be of the most benefit. The answer did not match with what I expected, but I still posted it. You asked if a specific person was a wolf. Which would be valid if you assumed it was because she had evaded lynch, but then pointed a finger at me instead.

Still missing something.
 
It's actually true that we started with one wolf, and we may not really ever have more than 1 wolf. I have some role related info that says our wolf can change shape which may make him hard to find. I've been trying to figure out what that means, but the only thing I can come up with is that who the wolf is can change. Obviously I don't think anyone is going to raise their hand and say "I was a wolf D1, and now I'm not" but it's the theory I came up with given the information I had. I don't really know how the convert thing works then though, unless each time the wolf changes person, that is considered a conversion?
 
ahhh sorry for missing a lynch cycle.

The only thing in my head right now is that I am very confused about yesterday's lynch. It makes sense that someone who voted for Rocky would have a double vote, and both Trilt and LoTF are on my list of suspects (and have been for a while now).
 
ahhh sorry for missing a lynch cycle.

The only thing in my head right now is that I am very confused about yesterday's lynch. It makes sense that someone who voted for Rocky would have a double vote, and both Trilt and LoTF are on my list of suspects (and have been for a while now).
I don't know a mod who would not accurately represent the tally appropriately. Sure, it's her first time, but misrepresenting a lynch tally would be a major no no in my book
 
It's actually true that we started with one wolf, and we may not really ever have more than 1 wolf. I have some role related info that says our wolf can change shape which may make him hard to find. I've been trying to figure out what that means, but the only thing I can come up with is that who the wolf is can change. Obviously I don't think anyone is going to raise their hand and say "I was a wolf D1, and now I'm not" but it's the theory I came up with given the information I had. I don't really know how the convert thing works then though, unless each time the wolf changes person, that is considered a conversion?
I have issues with this coming out now. Did it not occur to you that maybe it would be best to say this earlier in the game? This has significantly rubbed me the wrong way.
 
My issue with the killer role simply hopping around is that literally the point of the game is defeated. We are supposed to use day to day Data to assess whether a person is a wolf or not. If it just jumps every few days (which means the person who originally was a killer is no longer a wolf) that's a giant Middle finger to the players, as we might as well just RNG the whole game as there is limited to no strategy that can be employed. I'd like to believe that PBC had the decency not to do that to us. But it's interesting that you would want us to go down that road
 
It wasn't a lie. I even put in the whole "glitches and freezes" thing in the hope that the next people to get the computer would get a similar result and I would be verified.

You have had a pretty good history of helping the game thus far, but this morning is making me wonder.

If either of us had a double vote, I know it isn't me.

I tried to build in proof that I had the computer and asked a question that I thought would be of the most benefit. The answer did not match with what I expected, but I still posted it. You asked if a specific person was a wolf. Which would be valid if you assumed it was because she had evaded lynch, but then pointed a finger at me instead.

Still missing something.
As you can see from the end result of me saying "not sure what to make of it," I didn't really have a good conclusion from looking through that. I agree that the flair re:lynch yesterday was weird, and it upped my suspicions on Jil because a three way tie seemed to fit what was said best. Since I can't make that fit I'm stepping to it being a RM/Rocky tie, which a double vote makes sense with.

We were going to be at 6 people so numbers were dwindling; I felt investigating a top suspicion was more helpful than an ask-a-modesque use of the computer.

I believe that you got the computer and even that you used it to ask a question, so the bit about the computer glitching and whatnot is prob true. But if you're a wolf you could have asked about something else - maybe chaos? you brought that up shortly after I think - and just took the flair to give yourself credibility.
 
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