WWildzoo Family Reunion - Game Thread

[jaboo]

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This tinfoil seriously occurred to me as well, but remove any mention of shelter. This tinfoil can stand on its own.

I’ve considered that as well, but in my head the shelter part of it really solidifies it.

 

[Crayola227]

Fair point, but times of panic/stress is where you really get insight into a player. Because they’re not thinking as clearly and thoroughly.

Wow this got really philosophical.

2 sentences on relevant WW psychological theory? I think you're overstating, so the statement feels hollow and therefore somewhat insincere. At least from my perspective, but I write 2 pages on WW theory before I feel like saying wow.

 

[Crayola227]

I’ve considered that as well, but in my head the shelter part of it really solidifies it.

True, but the possibility still exists and really bothers me.

Still, we have like what, 17 players? And there's presumably 3 non-wolf. So I'm willing to consider that AM is not one of them, for now. But I don't like it. I really wish village had considered the paranoia level of having AM as a mayor. I mean, mayor always draws paranoia, but I would argue in some players' hands more than others.

 

[Crayola227]

2 sentences on relevant WW psychological theory? I think you're overstating, so the statement feels hollow and therefore somewhat insincere. At least from my perspective, but I write 2 pages on WW theory before I feel like saying wow.

to be clear and so I don't sound like such a dick @johnnaboo , your statement on the game and AM I think is a valid one

 

[jaboo]

to be clear and so I don't sound like such a dick @johnnaboo , your statement on the game and AM I think is a valid one

Didn’t interpret it as that way, but thanks. I just like to be more concise in my analysis 😉 Different strokes for different folks and all that

 

[SARdoghandler]

Also I had the tinfoil hat yesterday and tried to ask what the mechanism responsible for a no-kill lynch was on D2 but lost my question due to lynch cancel the following lynch.

I'd also like to point out that there is zero wording of the item that indicates it is an ask-a-mod. Just that you may as "a question". The delayed mechanism gives me some more tinfoily doubt that it is actually an ask-a-mod. Could be, could not be.

 

[PippyPony]

I'd also like to point out that there is zero wording of the item that indicates it is an ask-a-mod. Just that you may as "a question". The delayed mechanism gives me some more tinfoily doubt that it is actually an ask-a-mod. Could be, could not be.

I just want to say that I think it would be freaking hilarious if I am a role in this game, and the tinfoil questions went to me. If there's even a chance of something like that, I would NOT be putting much stock in those answers lmao

 

[PippyPony]

PM shut down ability is typically pretty villagery, but doesn't have to be

I don't think we should be banking on any abilities being any kind of affiliation indicative. These particular mods are known for aggressively messing with that. I was just commenting on the write up.

this rubbed me wrong... it's like waving the mayor card to get people off you, and while that is not a bad reason not to vote you, it's just weird that you would use it as a defence this way

Like I said yesterday, I don't necessarily agree with the AM feels, but I agree that her pulling the mayor card as a defense is not a great strategy, and I agree she is is doing that a bit.

@Animal Midwife you're maybe forgetting that we don't know what you got for your reward

And Pip, gotta say that AM's style as a villager has changed, she's gotten a lot more vocal.

Yeah I think a couple of other people mentioned this, too. I guess I'm not really saying that to change other people's minds, but it was a factor in my own read, and so I thought I'd put it out there because it's something I'm using personally as a data point. You do you

totally confused here

It was a joke; in the last game I made a big post about how night cancel should be used, blah blah, and so I was being sarcastic.

Lol. Anyone who wasn't born yesterday should have been able to tell who the write up was talking about. But I'm pretty sure you're just being sarcastic lol

Yep lol
Also self-deprecating, because ya know, I got you killed last time with the role reveal things.

the rationale being that I decided I didn't need to shout to the heavens who I had in a strong wolf category, and thereby draw up at a glance a day lynch list for the villagers tonight should they be so inclined

I figure the lazy folk wouldn't notice and maybe don't need to, the ones paying close enough attention likely put it all together without me saying anything

Yeah I don't see the point of this, tbh. Bad guys choose targets in all kinds of ways -- I don't think one player putting someone on a good guy list is a mega factor, and if you're going to give reads, then just give them

 

[PippyPony]

So I'm willing to consider that AM is not one of them, for now. But I don't like it. I really wish village had considered the paranoia level of having AM as a mayor. I mean, mayor always draws paranoia, but I would argue in some players' hands more than others.

Who would you have preferred people elect, and why is AM a worse choice than someone else? Just because you feel like you individually can read another player better than you can read AM?

I feel like you've been pushing this paranoia all game, but backing off whenever you are getting questioned about it, and the flip-flop is starting to weird me out a little

 

[PippyPony]

Dead is @sheltermed, Sporty who could designate 3 people each night who would still be able to use their ability should lynch be cancelled

So, kind of going off what I was saying in that bigger post, I was thinking about this role a little bit

The way it's written sounds like it's counteracting lynch cancel, yes? Night cancel is typically a village role. What if the mods did something this time around to make lynch cancel into a village role, and shelter's role was added as the wolf balance to it?

It would also make sense for jboo to speak up and get the credit for canceling, because then people would be more inclined to clear her, and she was starting to get some more attention yesterday

@johnnaboo is there a reason why you didn't use this during the lynch cycle after Weim was lynched? There were multiple vouches on the thread, so it would have been a good time to use it if you were trying to protect people with it

 

[jaboo]

@johnnaboo is there a reason why you didn't use this during the lynch cycle after Weim was lynched? There were multiple vouches on the thread, so it would have been a good time to use it if you were trying to protect people with it

Nope. Never had this ability before so I was just flying by the seat of my pants. Main reason I used it yesterday was 1) I was talking a lot on thread (maybe incorrectly, but talking helps the wolves) and wanted to cover my ass in case I was a lynch target and 2) I didn’t want to use it the night after all the role reveals in case the villagers purposefully didn’t kill those people until the following night, expecting them to be protected (if there is a protector in this game). #2 is something I’ve done as a wolf previously and I’ve noticed others do the same.

 

[jaboo]

Random question for people who have played longer than I: are PM partners typically RNG? Meaning, is it possible for 2 villagers to be PM partners? Or do mods typically try to pair up villagers with wolves?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Random question for people who have played longer than I: are PM partners typically RNG? Meaning, is it possible for 2 villagers to be PM partners? Or do mods typically try to pair up villagers with wolves?

Mod discretion and probably not worth speculating on. I've decided to leave bad guy pm pairings together if they RNGed that way. Never happened, but I've decided that it could so I'm sure other mods have as well

 

[Animal Midwife]

Random question for people who have played longer than I: are PM partners typically RNG? Meaning, is it possible for 2 villagers to be PM partners? Or do mods typically try to pair up villagers with wolves?

It's RNG. Otherwise it's too predictable and game-breaking. Seen it happen before.

 

[jaboo]

Mod discretion and probably not worth speculating on. I've decided to leave bad guy pm pairings together if they RNGed that way. Never happened, but I've decided that it could so I'm sure other mods have as well

It's RNG. Otherwise it's too predictable and game-breaking. Seen it happen before.

Good to know.

Another tinfoil (I’m on a roll here) is that allieh and Weim were both villagers and were PM partners. Unlikely, but possible. Also to extrapolate on my insanity, allieh could’ve come up with a cover role (or asked for one if one wasn’t already provided) and then further delegitimized future role reveals.

 

[jaboo]

Can you guys tell I really don’t want to study?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I listed them into a certain group, and then deleted them

the rationale being that I decided I didn't need to shout to the heavens who I had in a strong wolf category, and thereby draw up at a glance a day lynch list for the villagers tonight should they be so inclined

I figure the lazy folk wouldn't notice and maybe don't need to, the ones paying close enough attention likely put it all together without me saying anything

it sucks in a game where my strongest feels are for the good guys, because yes, as you always say you want to create a circle of trust, however it feels like Fight Club, the first rule of the circle of trust is don't talk about the circle of trust, you will just create paranoia talking about trust, or it seems like it just gets those people killed thereby ruining the circle of trust

But if said four are in your circle of trust already, by specifically leaving only them off the list, you're drawing even more attention than if they had been put on.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Good to know.

Another tinfoil (I’m on a roll here) is that allieh and Weim were both villagers and were PM partners. Unlikely, but possible. Also to extrapolate on my insanity, allieh could’ve come up with a cover role (or asked for one if one wasn’t already provided) and then further delegitimized future role reveals.

I mean, no role reveal should mean anything anyway because the mods already specified roles don't matter at the start so not sure why that'd have to be part of the theory.

 

[PippyPony]

You guys realize that we don't have to lynch caiter or jboo, right? Like there are other people that we could lynch.

^look, I play so infrequently on my computer that this quote was still saved in my "insert quotes" button

I'm not even voting for you but like, if you're gonna make a statement like this... please expand your reasoning.
Tell me why I should be suspicious of people voting for you. Not just that I should be.
This isn't a specific to you thing because others do this in other games as well. Bothers me every time.

Like I said, it wasn't specifically a you thing. It's something I see repeatedly. So I had to comment on it.

...why, exactly? This feels kind of weirdly preachy, and I don't see the purpose of this post, other than just to say something for the sake of saying something

I still don't feel satisfied with Snowy, but Glam's catch up and subsequent conclusion perplexed me. I'd like to see more fleshed out thoughts from her. Also would like to see Stagg more in real time during lynches.

What is/was unsatisfying about Snowy? I didn't think you had mentioned her prior to this post

but jboo canceling lynch made that theory feel less viable. I wish finding the baddies was that easy. So yeah that’s my tin foil for the day.

Ok but this is my point -- I don't think it's a particularly good idea to be clearing people based off of abilities.

I'm not a huge fan of the dolph lynch that started going today. I need to look back at it, but I feel like there possibly was a wolf villager on that. I don't have dolph as strong village wolf, but I think she's more likely village wolf than wolf village.

Why do you think this, again? Do you have any reasons behind why you think dolphin is a wolf?

I have SAR on my strong village wolf read and of course I didn't write down why so I can't remember and probably need to go back and look. I know it was something besides post analysis. Someone said something somewhere.

Solid. lol

when I say wolf pack bloc - typically this would read as villager bloc
basically, I'm hoping that you are in fact a wolf, because if you are and read me correctly, and others also read you or me as wolf, then we could create a circle of trust which would be cool
I'm sorta throwing it out there to remind myself and others that I am probably biased in wanting to read you as wolf if indeed you are, and I hope you are

Can you clarify this post? Why is Skim a better candidate for reading you than anyone else might be?

This feels kinda pocket-y

 

[PippyPony]

Can you guys tell I really don’t want to study?

I'm avoiding repro right now, hence the quote walls.

 

[PippyPony]

I mean, no role reveal should mean anything anyway because the mods already specified roles don't matter at the start so not sure why that'd have to be part of the theory.

So this means we can talk about them, right?

 

[Karabiner13]

Night 4 Kill Tally

glam (2) - dolphin, jboo
snowy (1) - am
dolphin (1) - cray
am (1) - finn

5/17

Deadline 10pm est (~7.25 hours)

 

[PippyPony]

2) I didn’t want to use it the night after all the role reveals in case the villagers purposefully didn’t kill those people until the following night, expecting them to be protected (if there is a protector in this game).

But like...theoretically, you would know that your role would protect against night kills, so isn't that more of a guarantee than banking on the possibility of someone else doing it? And why would one night make it less likely for someone to be protected?

 

[PippyPony]

Oh shoot, I haven't voted yet, have I

Kill glam

Not psyched about her responses so far -- I feel like she's typically a lot more insightful as a villager than what I'm seeing from her this time around

 

[finnickthedog]

...why, exactly? This feels kind of weirdly preachy, and I don't see the purpose of this post, other than just to say something for the sake of saying something

Oh, I'm sorry. Let me just sit in silence while it happens again and again.
God forbid I make a post that isn't only about this game.

I mean, no role reveal should mean anything anyway because the mods already specified roles don't matter at the start so not sure why that'd have to be part of the theory.

Let's not confuse "roles won't help you terribly much" with "roles don't matter at all so don't bother talking about them even a little bit because they're totally useless".

I would have said roles wouldn't help you too much in any of the games I designed... but that didn't mean they didn't matter. Mods tend to like their themes so it's pretty rare in my experience that the roles have zero significance so I see no point in slapping people down for talking about them at all.

 

[PippyPony]

Ehhhh not sure I feel great about the other people on this vote right now, though.

Change of plans

Unkill glam
Kill dolphin

 

[dolphin106258]

So, kind of going off what I was saying in that bigger post, I was thinking about this role a little bit

The way it's written sounds like it's counteracting lynch cancel, yes? Night cancel is typically a village role. What if the mods did something this time around to make lynch cancel into a village role, and shelter's role was added as the wolf balance to it?

It would also make sense for jboo to speak up and get the credit for canceling, because then people would be more inclined to clear her, and she was starting to get some more attention yesterday

@johnnaboo is there a reason why you didn't use this during the lynch cycle after Weim was lynched? There were multiple vouches on the thread, so it would have been a good time to use it if you were trying to protect people with it

I did not think about it like this due to all the mix up in terms this game. I always have feels for jboo but based off of the lynch cancel was trying to make a decision on how I felt about her, along with my tinfoil. And this just confuses me more. But I appreciate you understanding the terms backwards for me because I’m not sure my brain would’ve got here.

 

[PippyPony]

Night 4 Unofficial Kill Tally

glam (2) - dolphin, jboo,
snowy (1) - am
dolphin (2) - cray, pip
am (1) - finn

6/17

Deadline 10pm est (~6 hours)

 

[PippyPony]

I did not think about it like this due to all the mix up in terms this game. I always have feels for jboo but based off of the lynch cancel was trying to make a decision on how I felt about her, along with my tinfoil. And this just confuses me more. But I appreciate you understanding the terms backwards for me because I’m not sure my brain would’ve got here.

I have a tinfoily thing going on right now with her, too, and I'm having trouble reconciling that in my head with the fact that you think she's suspicious but you're both voting together for someone else who I find suspicious.

Sketch triangle (rectangle?) is probably not a right triangle, but idk how to straighten it out without more information

 

[Animal Midwife]

What is/was unsatisfying about Snowy? I didn't think you had mentioned her prior to this post

I started mentioning her yesterday. I'm uncomfortable with her placement on the tallies when Weim was similar in numbers to the other wagons. Additionally, I'm not sure how I feel about her being on the Stagg vote yesterday and would like to hear more about that.

 

[Animal Midwife]

So this means we can talk about them, right?

As long as it's not my own role.

 

[Skimble]

So, kind of going off what I was saying in that bigger post, I was thinking about this role a little bit

The way it's written sounds like it's counteracting lynch cancel, yes? Night cancel is typically a village role. What if the mods did something this time around to make lynch cancel into a village role, and shelter's role was added as the wolf balance to it?

It would also make sense for jboo to speak up and get the credit for canceling, because then people would be more inclined to clear her, and she was starting to get some more attention yesterday

@johnnaboo is there a reason why you didn't use this during the lynch cycle after Weim was lynched? There were multiple vouches on the thread, so it would have been a good time to use it if you were trying to protect people with it

I get what you are saying, but in this game, lynch cancel is detrimental to the village as it denies them the lynch, which obviously they want. I'd have a hard time believing lynch cancel was a village role here, and I think shelter's role, and affiliation supports those thoughts.

P.S. Started a new rotation today. I will likely not be around during the day at all, but I should be able to catch up after evening treatments. (I'm actually posting while in rounds right now. Shh!)

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I still don't feel satisfied with Snowy, but Glam's catch up and subsequent conclusion perplexed me. I'd like to see more fleshed out thoughts from her. Also would like to see Stagg more in real time during lynches.

Night 1 Mayor Tally
MJ (3) - Sporty, MJ, SAR
Ski (1) - finn
Pippy (2) - Pippy, kc
jboo (1) - jboo
AM (6) - AM, shelter, Skim, dolphin, Weim, Glam
Sporty () -
finn (3) - Snowy, Cait, Ski
Stagg (2) - Cray, Stagg
Snowy (1) - genny
Cray (1) - allie

20/20

Night 2 Kill Tally
MJ () -
SAR (2) - snowy, jboo
Weim (7) - genny, sar, caiter, sporty, mj, pippy, cray
Cray (1) - shelter
Sporty (5) - Skim, finn, kcough, allie, weim
Glam () -
Caiter (2) - dolphin, glam
am () -
kaydubz (1) - stagg
jboo (1) - am

19/19

Night 3 Kill Tally
allie () -
shelter (7) - sporty, jboo, cray, skim, sar, glam, kcough
snowy (1) - am
glam (1) - pippy
dolphin (1) - allieh
am (3) - finn, stagg, mj
stagg (3) - dolphin, snowy, genny
jboo (1) - shelter

17/18
Missing: Cait

Okay so cray's position on the weim vote is sketch. But I'm guessing most of the villagers didn't want her to go down D1, so I expect a couple on the next leader kill (unless sportysport is a villager). So skim, kc, finn, and allie.. I need to go back to see when exactly they all voted though to make a complete analysis.

I don't disagree with this, but to my mind there's more than one way to "bus," and one is a bit more proactive, and the other is a bit more passive, I like how Pip put it when she said "ride" the bus - which is different than driving it.

I ran across something that suggested look at the last 3 people on a villager's wagon - you'll often find at least one other villager on it.

Yeah this is what I was thinking, but looking at the last 3 people on weim's lynch: mj made a tie, pippy broke the tie, and you hopped on afterwards. As long as sporty is a wolf, this makes mj and pips a lot lower down on the suspicion list. Even bussers, don't usually want a fellow villager to go down D1 if possible

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

This point by Pippy on KC reads like dishonesty on the part of KC. LAL. Lynch all liars.

And Pip, gotta say that AM's style as a villager has changed, she's gotten a lot more vocal.

hmm. Not a huge fan of kc based on vca (maybe using this term correct haha). But her logic has made sense to me so far. She also is confusing me that MJ is talking so much 😛

Most of this reads villagery to me. A lot of WIFOM and most of the stances taken don't make sense to me.

What stances did I take here? Most of it is just WIFOM statements or jokes 🙄

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

2 sentences on relevant WW psychological theory? I think you're overstating, so the statement feels hollow and therefore somewhat insincere. At least from my perspective, but I write 2 pages on WW theory before I feel like saying wow.

I'm confused. Do you think jboo is villagery? Or have you just been questioning her because she was on at the same time you were? Lynch cancel seems like a very wolf ability (and blah blah I realize it could be any affiliation, but some are just more wolf then others)

I started mentioning her yesterday. I'm uncomfortable with her placement on the tallies when Weim was similar in numbers to the other wagons. Additionally, I'm not sure how I feel about her being on the Stagg vote yesterday and would like to hear more about that.

I explained my stagg vote yesterday.

 

[Stagg737]

Just caught up, still want to go back and iso 4-5 people before making any final decisions. I'm feeling better about AM today. She's still on my village leans list, but I'm willing to go elsewhere for now in the interest of not killing the mayor off at this point. For now:

Kill Snowy

since she's next highest up on my list before isos.

 

[Mad Jack]

Kill AM

Every day until it sticks or I have stronger feels for another player

 

[Animal Midwife]

I explained my stagg vote yesterday.

Still leaning that way today?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

After isoing a few of my questions. Skim has only made 14 posts and the large majority of them are just floof.

Kill Skimble

Still good with a stagg or glam kill. Also becoming suspicious of cray... as a few people have already brought her up. Still don't know with her and AM's back and forth D1 though. kc is hard for me to read and dolphin is sketch but may just be due to noobness. So those guys can stay on my neutral-leaning village list.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Still leaning that way today?

Was going to be. But then iso'd skim and found she hasn't contributed much.

 

[Stagg737]

Iso'd Glamm. 10 posts total this game, only 5ish pertaining to the actual game in any substantive manner. Village-y leans on her after the iso, but I think her flip would give me more info on AM, so not opposed to a kill there.

Edit: @Glammyre , you going to come play some more?

 

[Stagg737]

Actually, since she won't get a notification from an edit. @Glammyre , where you at?

 

[Karabiner13]

Night 4 Kill Tally

glam (2) - dolphin, jboo
snowy (2) - am, stagg
dolphin (2) - cray, pippy
am (2) - finn, mj
skim (1) - snowy

😏Tie! 😏

Missing: @allieh8607 @SARdoghandler @SportPonies @Caiter92 @genny @kcoughli @Glammyre @Skimble

9/17

Deadline 10pm est (~4 hours)

 

[SportPonies]

Why do you think this, again? Do you have any reasons behind why you think dolphin is a wolf?

Solid. lol

I have a reason. Not a solid reason, not a hard vouch situation. Just enough for me to feel like she's not worth a kill vote right now.


Also: I have started my rotations so I haven't even skimmed anything all day. I'll work on it later after this meeting.

 

[Stagg737]

After Iso'ing Skim, her contributions are limited to her results from the tin-foil, random info from past games, and 1 or 2 posts on general strategy/mechanics. Almost nothing about reads other than one liners with her votes. Again, not a fan. @Skimble any actual reads thus far?

 

[Stagg737]

Have to run some errands, but will be back before close and should have time for another iso or two. Will try and keep up while doing errands as well.

 

[KCgophervet]

kc is hard for me to read

This statement surprises me based on my first impressions of you in WW accurately calling out my role and affiliation in PM.

 

[KCgophervet]

Current thoughts on all players:
Wolf leaning (in no particular order):
dolphin - reading nooby
finn - just liking the posts and logics
sporty - based on how the weim vote went down
caiter - reveals from weim vote
allie - posts feel "right" idk
jboo - mostly based on ability

Village leaning (in no particular order):
glam - feels based on some of her posts
AM - have a hard time reading her, feels off, weirdness on weim vote day
Snowy - more recent posts have my eyebrow going up with dem feels

Null read:
MJ - forget he's playing
cray - can never read, swings back and forth between red and green so average is ?
pippy - agree with lots of posts and thought processes BUT tingling spidey-sense saying bad guy so average to null
Skim - forget she's playing
SAR - going back and forth, too much "omg i caught a villager with nothing but random feels haha so great" had her leaning village to me but rereading the weim vote go down pushed her more wolf
Stagg - not enough info, forget he's playing
genny - had her in wolf land for a bit but lately been feeling more paranoid so idk

 

[Animal Midwife]

Current thoughts on all players:
Wolf leaning (in no particular order):
dolphin - reading nooby
finn - just liking the posts and logics
sporty - based on how the weim vote went down
caiter - reveals from weim vote
allie - posts feel "right" idk
jboo - mostly based on ability

Village leaning (in no particular order):
glam - feels based on some of her posts
AM - have a hard time reading her, feels off, weirdness on weim vote day
Snowy - more recent posts have my eyebrow going up with dem feels

Null read:
MJ - forget he's playing
cray - can never read, swings back and forth between red and green so average is ?
pippy - agree with lots of posts and thought processes BUT tingling spidey-sense saying bad guy so average to null
Skim - forget she's playing
SAR - going back and forth, too much "omg i caught a villager with nothing but random feels haha so great" had her leaning village to me but rereading the weim vote go down pushed her more wolf
Stagg - not enough info, forget he's playing
genny - had her in wolf land for a bit but lately been feeling more paranoid so idk

You're paranoid about genny???

 

[KCgophervet]

Going to try to get a better read on some of my null reads.

Kill MJ

Come play with us. 🙂