WWildzoo Family Reunion - Game Thread

[SARdoghandler]

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I'm still feeling like AM is being her good-guy self, at least to me. I will admit I haven't put as much effort in today as I did yesterday because I'm mildly freaking tf out about doing a spay this week.

Lynch shelter

Because I don't have strong feels anywhere else and I don't think we should lynch AM - at least not yet.

 

[jaboo]

I'm mildly freaking tf out about doing a spay this week.

 

[sheltermed]

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[allieh8607]

idk I guess I'm not really seeing the AM votes. In fact, in the spirit of this game and the mods, I'll eat my hat (no actually, I'll eat @Karabiner13 's hat!) if AM turns out to be a bad guy

 

[PippyPony]

I don't know if I'm feeling the AM votes

She's being ridiculous for sure, but I don't know that village AM would be this stubborn or this chatty

 

[PippyPony]

idk I guess I'm not really seeing the AM votes. In fact, in the spirit of this game and the mods, I'll eat my hat (no actually, I'll eat @Karabiner13 's hat!) if AM turns out to be a bad guy

Lol

 

[jaboo]

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You haven’t really done anything to convince us not to kill you

 

[PippyPony]

I just read back through the first day or so

I'm feeling good about genny, caiter, and SAR based on the whole weim thing. Finn is also probably ok based on how that went down

Jboo has been liking a bunch of my posts/agreeing with me a lot and that is weirding me out a little
Edit: same with Snowy, actually.

Don't have a good read on KC, dolphin, sporty

I still want to hear more from glam and MJ

If I didn't mention you, nothing really stuck out for the parts I read this time around

 

[Mad Jack]

I just read back through the first day or so

I'm feeling good about genny, caiter, and SAR based on the whole weim thing. Finn is also probably ok based on how that went down

Jboo has been liking a bunch of my posts/agreeing with me a lot and that is weirding me out a little
Edit: same with Snowy, actually.

Don't have a good read on KC, dolphin, sporty

I still want to hear more from glam and MJ

If I didn't mention you, nothing really stuck out for the parts I read this time around

I'd like to hear less from you 😉

 

[sheltermed]

Jboo just pretended to accidentally pm me

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[sheltermed]

Ima be honest idk what you people want me to do to clear myself, no one ever believes me no matter what I say soz

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[Glammyre]

You said you'd be around but then it appears you weren't. Just wondering what happened.

I got distracted with videogames and email until after lynch close 😳

I wasn't sure why people were focused on Sporty, but it felt like the type of conversation flow where smoke might eventually reveal a fire if people pushed, so I left with a vote on who I thought was sketchiest at the time and a note to review the fallout later. Having seen the fallout, I want to leave Caiter and Sporty alone for now because of the vouches.

also curious about no one coming out with being jailed

Really? I'm not. I'd like it if someone spoke up, but I'm not surprised at staying quiet.

@Mad Jack, maybe you can bribe with cookies again? My gluten-free recipes won't be as enticing.

 

[Glammyre]

Jboo just pretended to accidentally pm me

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Um... I was going to talk about AM, but I think I'd rather follow up on this. What do you mean?

@johnnaboo, this concerns you too.

 

[PippyPony]

Ima be honest idk what you people want me to do to clear myself, no one ever believes me no matter what I say soz

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I watched you play the noob game and thought you had insightful contributions and were effectively driving lynches. That's not coming across in this game, and so I'm guessing that's where some of this is coming from.

I'm not sure how to read the change personally because I feel like I've also seen you act defeatist when you're being lynched for either affiliation, but idk, maybe other people who play with you more often can read you better than I can

 

[jaboo]

Jboo just pretended to accidentally pm me

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Geez you’re really great at manipulating what I’m saying. I said something along the lines of this in PM:

You haven’t really done anything to convince us not to kill you

And then quickly remembered PM’s are closed rn and deleted it and apologized to mods.

 

[PippyPony]

Um... I was going to talk about AM, but I think I'd rather follow up on this. What do you mean?

@johnnaboo, this concerns you too.

Why is this stopping you from saying what you were going to say about AM?

 

[sheltermed]

I watched you play the noob game and thought you had insightful contributions and were effectively driving lynches. That's not coming across in this game, and so I'm guessing that's where some of this is coming from.

I'm not sure how to read the change personally because I feel like I've also seen you act defeatist when you're being lynched for either affiliation, but idk, maybe other people who play with you more often can read you better than I can

I felt more confident in that game because I was less noob (lol that autocorrected to boob) than the others, but here I'm probably the biggest noob of all. And I just haven't really kept up this weekend tbh.

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[PippyPony]

N3 Unofficial I Can't Hear You Kill Tally

allie () -
shelter (5) - sporty, jboo, cray, skim, SAR
snowy (1) - am
glam (1) - pippy
dolphin (2) - genny, allieh
am (3) - finn, stagg, mj
stagg (1) - dolphin
jboo (1) - shelter

shelter is in the lead!

Missing: @SnowshoeDog143 @Caiter92 @kcoughli @Glammyre

14/18

Deadline 10pm est (~2 hours)

 

[KCgophervet]

Glam also sat on the vote but didn't appear to be around which leads me to...
You said you'd be around but then it appears you weren't. Just wondering what happened.

Think this is the post I was thinking about that made me think of Glam earlier.

I got distracted with videogames and email until after lynch close 😳

Legit I guess. I also wasn't around right at close but remembered and popped in shortly after. Don't think I would've changed anything at that point anyway.

Really? I'm not. I'd like it if someone spoke up, but I'm not surprised at staying quiet.

Not surprised, but curious. Just didn't want it going unsaid.

Geez you’re really great at manipulating what I’m saying. I said something along the lines of this in PM:

And then quickly remembered PM’s are closed rn and deleted it and apologized to mods.

Full disclosure, I also sent a PM to my partner accidentally and had to be reminded by the mods. I was actually sitting here going, man PM-buddy is quiet today, maybe I should check in? My bad.

Still not sure who to vote for. I see what people are saying about AM acting off, but then she starts asking 800 questions and it sounds more like her, which of course is something she probably would do as a villager getting called out for acting off so WIFOM.

Eating dinner now and will check back in afterwards to reread some stuff from yesterday/earlier today hopefully.

 

[sheltermed]

I got distracted with videogames and email until after lynch close

why is this explanation acceptable but mine for not being around until after night close last night was not

 

[sheltermed]

you’re really great at manipulating

i am flattered

 

[genny]

why is this explanation acceptable but mine for not being around until after night close last night was not

Night results were posted at 10:21, and you showed up at 10:26. Kind of makes it seem like you were lurking, in a benevolent, villagery way.

 

[PippyPony]

Legit I guess. I also wasn't around right at close but remembered and popped in shortly after. Don't think I would've changed anything at that point anyway.

Funny, I seem to recall you being around pretty close to close because you asked me if I was going to switch my vote.

Still not sure who to vote for. I see what people are saying about AM acting off, but then she starts asking 800 questions and it sounds more like her, which of course is something she probably would do as a villager getting called out for acting off so WIFOM.

Have you ever wolfed with AM? If you have, I'm not sure you'd call this WIFOM.

The last time I did it, I was literally verbally poking, prodding, and shoving her onto the thread, to the point where I eventually started feeding her stuff to talk about and questions to ask people.

That's the reason why I feel less suspicious of her after re-reading stuff -- in my mind, the fact that she's being stubborn to the level she has been so far either means that she is probably a wolf, or whoever is villaging with her has even more energy than I do...and dubz and paws are not playing this game lol.

 

[sheltermed]

Night results were posted at 10:21, and you showed up at 10:26. Kind of makes it seem like you were lurking, in a benevolent, villagery way.

Was just a coincidence is all I can say

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[SnowshoeDog143]

Sorry guys for being away all day. Just catching up now. Comments incoming

So if it was basically a throw-away vote, any reason you didn't switch to Cait (*triggers Pippy) or Sporty when they were out in the lead? Or was it not a throw away?

Because I didn’t think voting Caiter or Sporty or SAR would get a villager. I stuck with my convictions. Any reason you’re all up in my business after I voted to kill a villager?

You stuck with your convictions so your vote was not throwaway? Or you just initially voted as a throwaway and then liked it as the day went on and so stuck with it?

I'm going to

Kill Snowy

for now since she never moved to the Weim vote when things were close

Why should I have moved to weim? I thought people were just going there because they didn't like the kill leaders. I thought their reasoning was weak and thought SAR was sketch. The fact she was one of the first few on weim now makes her look a lot less suspicious though.

I've had feels on AM since the beginning of the game. Often I ignore these bc I am so often wrong about AM and reading her is kind of a wash for me. So I tend to lean on other people's reading of AM. But when I was reading back through the last couple pages I see a lot of people calling her out for odd behavior. I really didn't like her late swap to jboo. So I'm tempted to vote there.

Yeah she seemed to switch votes a lot more then I'm used to. She's usually got stronger feelz for people. But how do you feel about her wanting to be mayor?

Because it's irrelevant to the question I was trying to get answered. I have my own opinions on what being first on the lynch would mean and her explanation wouldn't change those thoughts.

I mean just because she was the first on the lynch doesn't mean she's definitely a wolf due to all the last min switches to weim. But do you really think that voting order doesn't ever matter in catching villagers?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

From the first page of today.. I'm leaning towards dolphin or stagg for my kill vote as they have weird reasoning for their suspicions/nonsuspicions

 

[finnickthedog]

Yeah she seemed to switch votes a lot more then I'm used to. She's usually got stronger feelz for people. But how do you feel about her wanting to be mayor?

How do I feel about her wanting to be mayor? I honestly don't recall the last game I played with a mayor election, let alone specifically how AM generally feels about mayor elections. So... a little hard for me to form an opinion on that particular point.

 

[Karabiner13]

N3 I Can't Hear You Kill Tally

allie () -
shelter (5) - sporty, jboo, cray, skim, sar
snowy (1) - am
glam (1) - pippy
dolphin (2) - genny, allieh
am (3) - finn, stagg, mj
stagg (1) - dolphin
jboo (1) - shelter

shelter is in the lead!

Missing: snowy, caiter, kcough, glam

14/18

Deadline 10pm est (~1.5 hours)

 

[genny]

You stuck with your convictions so your vote was not throwaway? Or you just initially voted as a throwaway and then liked it as the day went on and so stuck with it?

I voted because I had slight feels toward Weim, and then decided not to change my mind. I don't understand why this is so difficult a concept to grasp. I know I suck at being part of the uninformed majority usually, but sometimes I do have decent insight.

 

[genny]

From the first page of today.. I'm leaning towards dolphin or stagg for my kill vote as they have weird reasoning for their suspicions/nonsuspicions

How do you feel about dolphin voting for stagg?

 

[genny]

Was just a coincidence is all I can say

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Well, it doesn't look like that's changing any votes, so maybe you should try something else. If you're actually a wolf, you kind of owe it to the pack not to just roll over and give up. We don't want to kill you if you're a wolf.

 

[sheltermed]

Well, it doesn't look like that's changing any votes, so maybe you should try something else. If you're actually a wolf, you kind of owe it to the pack not to just roll over and give up. We don't want to kill you if you're a wolf.

But I like to roll over and give up.

What do you propose I do?

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[dolphin106258]

I watched you play the noob game and thought you had insightful contributions and were effectively driving lynches. That's not coming across in this game, and so I'm guessing that's where some of this is coming from.

I'm not sure how to read the change personally because I feel like I've also seen you act defeatist when you're being lynched for either affiliation, but idk, maybe other people who play with you more often can read you better than I can

I’m definitely not the authority on playing with shelter but I feel like the being upset usually comes from the lack of reasoning for people’s votes I believe. Sometimes she is caught as a bad guy in this mentality like the Pokémon game that I was a bad guy with her. But I also believe there were other games she was a good guy. Also in the Pokémon game she was upset about not being able to keep up with the thread like she wanted, which I believe she made a comment about that earlier so that could also have something to with the change you’re seeing.

Basically I’d say NAI overall.

Edit: messed up villager/wolf thing ugh

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why should I have moved to weim? I thought people were just going there because they didn't like the kill leaders. I thought their reasoning was weak and thought SAR was sketch. The fact she was one of the first few on weim now makes her look a lot less suspicious though.

I recall you saying earlier in the cycle that you were okay with a Weim vote but chose Glam instead to spread the votes out. I assumed later when it was between Sporty/Cait/Weim you might show some interest switching there since you didn't like the other two wagons.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Things like mentioning the conversion hint or at the beginning misremembering a game (which is allowed lol) but little things like that, that make me feel weird about her. But I don’t know if they’re really enough of anything for me to truly doubt her. I am sorry I’m explaining this so horribly I’m in a weird place in my brain with AM.

If she is a villager it wouldn't be useful to point out to everyone when conversion occurred. Unless she is a villager and conversion did not happen and she is confusing us. Also, voting herself mayor and then later saying she hates being mayor.. just sounds to me like a normal wolf.

I’m not trying to be intentionally obtuse I promise. But why? Can’t the bad guys have covers to give to folks in PMs? And if you’re claiming an ability or something in PM you can make it up without the fear of others disputing you, maybe? Idk maybe I’m just off in left field.

But Kara is a mod.. do you really think she would just make herself as a cover role and not an actual role? And that would be a mighty big risk for caiter to use kara for a cover if she didn't have one.

I don't know. I just feel like certain things hold stronger ground in relation to VCA for leans.

*works at VCA and can't think of that acrynm as anything else 😛

How do you know Skim's non-wolf numbers are correct?

Good thought.

Are we playing the game from Whose Line where you try to only speak in questions?

That game is AM's life.

 

[PippyPony]

Basically I’d say NAI overall.

Sooooo... basically what I said? lol

 

[dolphin106258]

Sooooo... basically what I said? lol

I was just offering up my opinion, since I felt I had played a good chunk of games with shelter...my bad

 

[KCgophervet]

Okay reread some stuff and have some thoughts on yesterday. Prepare yourselves for a long rambling post:

my main reason for voting SAR poofed when AM was willing to move her vote. my next best feels are for caiter. and i'm not feeling the sporty killing at all.

In hindsight, her switching to Caiter after the info on thread was hella sketch so I can see how the ball got rolling on her after that move. The underlined made me nervous about Sportyspice, like it was a villager trying to save another villager.

Unlynch Caiter

This move though pushed Sporty more into wolf territory. Risky move at that point since she was still in the lead and Caiter was the next runner up.

ugh i really dont feel your killing but my hand is forced basically.
unkill caiter
kill sporty

This also pushed Sporty more wolf so I think I can move off the "weim was a less useful villager than sporty" theory I was floating earlier.

Unkill Weim
Kill jboo

WTF with this vote. The last one before close, suuuper sketch/random.

I posted earlier about having very minor feels for weim, wish I would have followed that hunch. She hadn't yet posted on the thread today, but PMed me asking why I was voting for SAR. Then when I explained, shortly afterwards she also voted SAR. It just felt weird but not substantial enough for me to want to vote there. Gotta start trusting my gut. I realize this is probably WIFOM-y but whatever.

OMG I quoted this thinking it was Cray who said it and was like how was Weim PMing both allie and Cray THEY ALL WERE VILLAGERS! But now I see the avatar got me, got me good. Leaving it in here just to admit my shame.

I feel like voting for anyone 1) vouching for weim or 2) not voting for weim should be self explanatory so idk how to help u guys

I agree with the other posters that the timing on the contingency was quick and not super substantial. I think if Caiter had flipped villager voting for Finn would have been more "reasonable" but allie's vouch was hardly a vouch and fairly last second. I can see the thought process behind the shelter votes now.

 

[dolphin106258]

If she is a villager it wouldn't be useful to point out to everyone when conversion occurred. Unless she is a villager and conversion did not happen and she is confusing us. Also, voting herself mayor and then later saying she hates being mayor.. just sounds to me like a normal wolf.



But Kara is a mod.. do you really think she would just make herself as a cover role and not an actual role? And that would be a mighty big risk for caiter to use kara for a cover if she didn't have one.



*works at VCA and can't think of that acrynm as anything else 😛



Good thought.



That game is AM's life.

I just think speculating about role names in a game where it’s already been said they won’t be helpful is unconvincing either way. That’s just my opinion though.

 

[Animal Midwife]

*works at VCA and can't think of that acrynm as anything else 😛

Vote Count Analysis

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I’d like to point out that you, AM, are going pretty far in speculating on game mechanics for someone who hates discussing game mechanics 😛

I feel like you are saying this way out in speculation land rn..

I'm going for lynch AM based on the timing of this vote. Switching to an obvious loser when you're on a villager just comes off as sketch.

hey, jboo isn't a loser!

What does the bolded part mean?

I got the item after day close yesterday. I asked my question during the middle of night, and I go the answer at the close of day today. Is that clear now? So when I asked the question, WM was alive and when I got the answer, she was dead. I’m not sure how to interpret that, though I suspect the 3 did not include wm.

Kill shelter

For feels, but I’m keeping my eye on dolphin. Personally I think AM is likely wolf, but I agree she’d be a good convert choice, but I’m not going down that road yet.

Oh good to know probably didn't include weim. So if the numbers are correct, there could be a chaos.

I like this answer.
@SnowshoeDog143 where are you today?

Getting everything on my to-do-list done that I've been avoiding all week

Anyone not on weim vote last night and anyone on me today is on my radar. I'm not seeing anything valid against me other than some FeEls. I'm not a villager and thus employing my wolfy gameplay.

Skimble vote seems opportunistic to me

Man do I love that sPonGeBoB mEmE

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Wow. So everyone who voted weim is fine? So of course no villager would jump on that for cred... And everyone not on her is suspicious because she was an obvious villager 🙄

If I were modding this game, I'd probably not have it include the convert, but I don't know what these mods would do.

Hey some wolves might want to leave their life of crime and have never had a choice to do that until now 😛

 

[Karabiner13]

N3 I Can't Hear You Kill Tally

allie () -
shelter (5) - sporty, jboo, cray, skim, sar
snowy (1) - am
glam (1) - pippy
dolphin (2) - genny, allieh
am (3) - finn, stagg, mj
stagg (1) - dolphin
jboo (1) - shelter

shelter is in the lead!

Missing: snowy, caiter, kcough, glam

14/18

Deadline 10pm est (~1 hour)

 

[KCgophervet]

You sticking with that MJ vote there @PippyPony ?

Funny, I seem to recall you being around pretty close to close because you asked me if I was going to switch my vote.


Have you ever wolfed with AM? If you have, I'm not sure you'd call this WIFOM.

The last time I did it, I was literally verbally poking, prodding, and shoving her onto the thread, to the point where I eventually started feeding her stuff to talk about and questions to ask people.

That's the reason why I feel less suspicious of her after re-reading stuff -- in my mind, the fact that she's being stubborn to the level she has been so far either means that she is probably a wolf, or whoever is villaging with her has even more energy than I do...and dubz and paws are not playing this game lol.

To your first statement, was over an hour before close (quoted my post above). I think I last checked in maybe 45 minutes before close and then wandered off until I remembered to check in a bit after close.

I don't know if I've wolfed with AM before... maybe? I want to say yes. But I also think she's played enough on both sides to know how to use her meta but maybe that's just me.

 

[Stagg737]

Have you ever wolfed with AM? If you have, I'm not sure you'd call this WIFOM.

The last time I did it, I was literally verbally poking, prodding, and shoving her onto the thread, to the point where I eventually started feeding her stuff to talk about and questions to ask people.

That's the reason why I feel less suspicious of her after re-reading stuff -- in my mind, the fact that she's being stubborn to the level she has been so far either means that she is probably a wolf, or whoever is villaging with her has even more energy than I do...and dubz and paws are not playing this game lol.

Are you unaware of the game (Orchestra) where AM and Mel power-wolfed their way to a sweep?

I mean just because she was the first on the lynch doesn't mean she's definitely a wolf due to all the last min switches to weim. But do you really think that voting order doesn't ever matter in catching villagers?

I never tried to imply this. I was just saying that I didn't need to ask about lynch order as I don't think anything she would have said would have changed what her vote position would have meant.

From the first page of today.. I'm leaning towards dolphin or stagg for my kill vote as they have weird reasoning for their suspicions/nonsuspicions

So me thinking AM is not playing like herself at all and is sketchballs af is weird reasoning? Am I missing something?

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Stagg737 who exactly am I villagers with?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

idk I guess I'm not really seeing the AM votes. In fact, in the spirit of this game and the mods, I'll eat my hat (no actually, I'll eat @Karabiner13 's hat!) if AM turns out to be a bad guy

Ah I forgot about that hat

I just read back through the first day or so

I'm feeling good about genny, caiter, and SAR based on the whole weim thing. Finn is also probably ok based on how that went down

Jboo has been liking a bunch of my posts/agreeing with me a lot and that is weirding me out a little
Edit: same with Snowy, actually.

Don't have a good read on KC, dolphin, sporty

I still want to hear more from glam and MJ

If I didn't mention you, nothing really stuck out for the parts I read this time around

I've become a liker manic.. I blame cray's influence haha

Jboo just pretended to accidentally pm me

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Geez. You are not playing very well this game. This is stretching for something sketch.

I voted because I had slight feels toward Weim, and then decided not to change my mind. I don't understand why this is so difficult a concept to grasp. I know I suck at being part of the uninformed majority usually, but sometimes I do have decent insight.

Thats what I thought, but stagg's comment made me think you had said somewhere that it had started as a throwaway.

How do you feel about dolphin voting for stagg?

I don't think they are both village. So it makes sense. I'm leaning towards stagg though, because I don't like his analysis logic so far. And dolphin has been talking more and gives off noob vibes so my suspicions of her may just be due to noobiness.

I recall you saying earlier in the cycle that you were okay with a Weim vote but chose Glam instead to spread the votes out. I assumed later when it was between Sporty/Cait/Weim you might show some interest switching there since you didn't like the other two wagons.

Ah K that makes sense. I was feeling stronger about SAR and my feelz on weim were weak and I thought the bandwagon on her was off weak reasoning too.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

kill stagg

I feel like shelter is usually stronger as a bad guy. Like she tries to save herself. She is playing like a trolling good guy who shouldn't have signed up because she isn't paying close attention.

 

[Glammyre]

Why is this stopping you from saying what you were going to say about AM?

Because I don't like distracting the village good guys with multiple conversations at once. That's how clues get missed, like AM talking about shelter's weird liking pattern in the latest Pokemon game.

An accidental PM sounded like it could have been an accidental meant-to-post-in-villager-chat, in which case jboo would need to get lynched. Alternatively, a bad-guy Shelter could be throwing a name out there in hopes of deflecting suspicion. Either way, I wanted to hear more about the PMs sooner rather than later so that I don't need to make a decision at T-5 minutes.

And, speaking of

kill shelter

Behavior here is reminding me of Pokemon, and I'm not sure why she'd bring up the PM message to all of us unless it was to point suspicion on jboo.

 

[Glammyre]

@PippyPony, here's the other answer to your question that best belonged in a separate post.

Prior to shelter's post - AM's unlynching of Weim seemed sketch, and I placed more trust in the people who said her behavior was uncharacteristic than in the few people at the time who were saying she seemed more normal. I also didn't like her pushback about voting for the mayor because it sounded more like a threat of invoking mayor powers and less like an actual defense. I was going to place a lynch vote there and then *actually* revisit this evening. Shelter's post changed things enough for me that I wanted to figure that out before voting.

 

[Glammyre]

Not surprised, but curious. Just didn't want it going unsaid.

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