WWings of WWonder Game Thread

[ziggyandjazzy]

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Did anyone else notice that miranda could have tried to swing the vote to either Nav or barks but instead chose to try to swing it to me, and eventually went with Lawpy? Does anyone else think this would be a good reason to see her flip as it may give us insight into barks and nav as well?

Would it be possible to
Lynch miranda?

I don't see how a question restriction limits your ability to talk.

Are you admitting this is your fault? Or care to admit to the other part of my night results?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Are you admitting this is your fault? Or care to admit to the other part of my night results?

Don't fish, friendo.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Owl By Myself:
11. @finnickthedog
14. @Barkley13
12. @Lawper
15. @cubsrule4e

Anyone else notice the weird rearrangement here?

Don't fish, friendo.

And how do you propose I avoid doing that given my current state?

 

[Animal Midwife]

And how do you propose I avoid doing that given my current state?

By not asking people whether they've performed/received actions unless they offer it up themselves.

 

[Animal Midwife]

lynch frosty for now

Why?

 

[sheltermed]

Lynch Miranda

I'm moving to the great state of Michigan this Friday and have more going on than I thought I would, but didn't want to not vote again. Will try to get on later and explain my vote / see where things are as the day progresses

 

[allieh8607]

Why?

Did not like her completely random vote for moose, a player who very clearly was not around with 30 mins to lynch close. Then she ghosted. Claimed the rest of the candidates were "neutral" feeling...really? 4-5 other people on the board and she read them all as neutral? May have voted for moose to try and distance the votes away from one of those other contenders.

 

[SportPonies]

OFFICIAL Ruby Rules Day 2 Lynch Tally
Nav (2) - AM, cubs
WZ (1) - mutts
Lawp (1) - MJ
Frosty (1) - allieh
MOOSE (2)- ziggy, shelter
5/23

Deadline at 9pm Central

(@SkiOtter helped me make gifs)

 

[Lawpy]

Sorry, but i'm struggling to see Moosy as village

Lynch Moosy Miranda

 

[Barkley13]

The way the whole Lawpy or MOOSE vote went down I have them both in my village pile.

Interesting you didn’t mention miz in this when she was also involved

 

[SportPonies]

 

[dolphin106258]

I wasn’t going for the obvious easy lynch vote. If I were doing that, I would have gone for ziggy or Nav, neither of which I liked. I wolfed with Moose recently and this was very reminiscent of that time. So I went with what I had.

In what you responded to I still was saying you seemed village. I know you’re dead now so this doesn’t matter but it was in my quotes so

Allie had already said exactly what I was thinking. Also, that was well beyond Dolphin level, he was going berserk. Why is sexism continually brought into the game/tot/dead threads?

Lol idk Bc many women deal with sexism in their day to day life so why should the internet be any different...😱

 

[Navilly]

I am honestly not sure where to go right now. I am not sure if AM is so far off their game or is just riding the wolf train of tunneling while providing mild inquisitions elsewhere. I think 20% is fueled by vindictiveness from my most recent wolfing experience, where I got her lynched day 1, and then killed her off when she came back because she was a cleared villager.

Cubs will find any excuse to lynch me in just about any game, so it’s mostly NAI.

Moose’s timing yesterday rubbed me the wrong way, and I think that’s where I am going to go.

Based off of how previous mods have done stuff in the past, when you have a wolf that is lynched on day one while someone is fated to die, they will sometimes let wolf chat know not to out themself at that point. Makes that whole drama queen scenario become NAI, not village indicating imo. With how ridiculously over the top it was, and with the tone change and change in attitude, it may even be slight wolfiness indicating, but I would want to find another game where he reacted as such.

Dubz is still lingering in my should probably maintain pressure on each day list, I am not thrilled by their gameplay at this point.

Lupin feels slightly off compared to normal. The early vote on me was also weird, puts them in borderline wolf territory/high neutral.

Mutts is coming off as acting weird to me, which is normally a village associated thing in my mind.

MJ jumping on low hanging fruit makes me also want to vote there, mid wolfiness.

Allieh’s tone has been mildly to moderately off.

Other than that, not a whole lot has truly stuck out to me.

*********lynch moose******

 

[SARdoghandler]

Sorry Lawpy, something came up last night. I'm finishing pulling together the quotes that pinged me yesterday. Though FWIW, not reading you wolfy anymore haha. Will pull quotes for Ziggy too since I saw the comment about not understanding what I'm reading as sketchy

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Based off of how previous mods have done stuff in the past, when you have a wolf that is lynched on day one while someone is fated to die, they will sometimes let wolf chat know not to out themself at that point.

Does this not seem thoroughly game breaking to you?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Based off of how previous mods have done stuff in the past, when you have a wolf that is lynched on day one while someone is fated to die, they will sometimes let wolf chat know not to out themself at that point. Makes that whole drama queen scenario become NAI, not village indicating imo. With how ridiculously over the top it was, and with the tone change and change in attitude, it may even be slight wolfiness indicating, but I would want to find another game where he reacted as such.

On the other hand, this feels way too much like mods holding the hands of players or interfering to try and rebalance a game - not something I've typically associated with games on SDN and as such not something I expect to have happen. I'm not clearing Lawpy, but I think the way it went down was 100% fitting with his meta and gets him village points from me.

Slight side eye for some shade-slinging here but also I don't think wolf!Nav would be this obvious about shading someone they wanted village to lynch

 

[Navilly]

Does this not seem thoroughly game breaking to you?

No, balance was designed around a village dying on day one and a wolf not exposing themself on day one. I have seen mods say things along the lines of “don’t do a wolf brag yet.” With that said, I am still concluding it as NAI for lawpy the fact that he got mad, how over the top mad he got I need to do some investigating on.

 

[SARdoghandler]

@Lawper quote wall incoming. It's hard to go back and quantify exactly what set off my tingly feelers as now I'm reading everything from a more village leaning perspective, but I grabbed a few things and added some notes I made in my spreadsheet yesterday. And yes, my reads for you are based off of tone which is likely biased from seeing you in dead/tot chats so keep that in mind and yes - deliberately making those two tones very different will cause me to misread you and want to lynch you

Hello

Lynch petmoosy

For fun

First post. First line felt very in character for you, last line set off my feelers. Not quite sure why. Just not used to you lynching people "for fun", I'm more used to sudden conviction.

😕

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Long pause in posting followed by fluff. I'm used to you having more of a presence on thread when you're around - more stoccato posting and not an every-now-and-then type deal

@muttmanager so you think WZ and zigjazzy are both wolves but WZ is sketchier?

Restating someone else's read - I read this as a possible wolf trying to look helpful on thread without actually having to provide their own reads.

WZ vs zigjazzy is looking like W/V to me based on feels from their interactions, since something feels off to me

Up to the point I voted for you, this was your only "read" on thread. I'm used to you having many reads, even with little to go on. Felt off.

I'm not following the barky votes tbh

Again, wrote this down as "Possible wolf trying to softly push votes away from another wolf?"


Hopefully that helps clear up what I was fixating on yesterday with you.

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

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[kaydubs]

OFFICIAL Ruby Rules Day 2 Lynch Tally
Nav (2) - AM, cubs
WZ (1) - mutts
Lawp (1) - MJ
Frosty (1) - allieh
MOOSE (4)- ziggy, shelter, Lawp, Nav
9/23

Deadline at 9pm Central

Props to @SkiOtter for the GIF creation.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Will try to get on later and explain my vote / see where things are as the day progresses

Sketch sketch sketch sketch

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

what motivation would nav have for killing miz more than anyone else?
do you not think miz was killed because she was basically claiming PR?

Both miz and moose claimed they had roles that were important to village. Miz ended up being the one to bite the dust.
It kinda puts moose in a weird spotlight
Her death really doesn't clear nav.

I don't think I want to use the whole lawpy rant thing to clear him he was pinging my radar before he started ranting and I don't know if I want to put him in a village pile just yet.

I'll have to agree with mutts and say that ziggy and dubz pinged me the wrong way also. I'll lean both of the neutral for now.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Ok cool!! Guess I’ll just make my own assumptions then!

The tally seemed like a ****fest yesterday.

 

[Barkley13]

The tally seemed like a ****fest yesterday.

Sure but that still doesn’t explain your vote

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Navilly What about ziggy?

 

[Navilly]

@Navilly What about ziggy?

Mild village strictly based on pm interactions. But I get how those are biased, so probably neutral. She hasn’t divulged anything in pms that is like “wow, she must be village.”

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Sure but that still doesn’t explain your vote

Like I said, the tally was a ****fest. Lawpy was one of the main people standing out to me when I was catching up. Honestly if Lawpy had posted his vote a minute earlier I would have been the last one on his would be lynch. 1 minute wasn't enough to unlynch and relynch so I left him alone.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Lynch ziggy

For now, though I feel like I need to go back and re-evaluate my reads again. Not sure I like how the moose wagon is forming.

 

[Barkley13]

Like I said, the tally was a ****fest. Lawpy was one of the main people standing out to me when I was catching up. Honestly if Lawpy had posted his vote a minute earlier I would have been the last one on his would be lynch. 1 minute wasn't enough to unlynch and relynch so I left him alone.

Yes but you also said hours before lynch close that you were lynching genny because you hadn’t caught up yet but then still didn’t unlynch her

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Will pull quotes for Ziggy too since I saw the comment about not understanding what I'm reading as sketchy

Lynch ziggy

For now, though I feel like I need to go back and re-evaluate my reads again. Not sure I like how the moose wagon is forming.

Have you decided you aren't going to pull quotes and instead you will just vote for me without an explanation?

 

[mypetmoose]

So is everyone just ignoring that Miranda claimed something? Because that seems like a pretty good reason to give her some time...

Some of last night's shenanigans did rub me the wrong way, and having literally everyone up for lynch claim to be important feels odd, but I don't know that today needs to be a Lawpy vs Miranda showdown. I know people fake claim all the time, especially when they are in jeopardy, but personally I'm more interested in looking elsewhere today.

Personally, I'd like to hear more from shelter. I know you said you'd be busy with moving in a few days, which is why I'd like to hear from you now. (It sounds like you'll be busier then). Do you have any comments on the wild ride that happened yesterday? Have you caught up?

@sheltermed

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Yes but you also said hours before lynch close that you were lynching genny because you hadn’t caught up yet but then still didn’t unlynch her

I was gonna unlynch when I lynched someone else

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Yes but you also said hours before lynch close that you were lynching genny because you hadn’t caught up yet but then still didn’t unlynch her

I also never unlynched her because I hadn't caught up

Edited for clarification: I never fully caught up I just quickly skimmed through to try and catch up so I may have missed some stuff.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Have you decided you aren't going to pull quotes and instead you will just vote for me without an explanation?

Working on quotes. My internet keeps cutting out so it's making things difficult with navigating multiple pages to pull them.

To be brief, however - I've found the tone of your posts overall wolfier than I usually find (as far as I remember, I usually read you village). I especially didn't like the tone of your vote for Lawper on D1 (originally had it as a possible w/w interaction). Your reactions to things haven't felt as organic as I'm used to seeing from you.

Quotes will come eventually. I appreciate the follow up, don't need the snark with it. I'm trying my best over here.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

So is everyone just ignoring that Miranda claimed something? Because that seems like a pretty good reason to give her some time...

@sheltermed

It was also a pretty good reason for her to have been night killed.

 

[dolphin106258]

It was also a pretty good reason for her to have been night killed.

Yes but Miz also claimed something important so literally a wolf could just go for either. Why are you trying to throw shade here?

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Quotes will come eventually. I appreciate the follow up, don't need the snark with it. I'm trying my best over here.

How do you suggest I go about not being snarky when I can only ask questions?
Has anyone else noticed it is hard to convey tone when you've been post restricted?

 

[finnickthedog]

I don't see how a question restriction limits your ability to talk.

Technically it doesn't, but having been there done that it is annoying enough to make you wish you could just not talk.

Catching up now.

 

[muttmanager]

Interesting you didn’t mention miz in this when she was also involved

She was on my radar but less so since she didnt start it, she fell right in to WZ's trap.
I'm not putting all my wolfy suspects out - last time I was mostly right and was nk'd.
I feel like I'm right this time too

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Yes but Miz also claimed something important so literally a wolf could just go for either. Why are you trying to throw shade here?

I'm not throwing shade. If I was I would have lynched her. There were quite a few options for wolves last night I'll admit that.

 

[Navilly]

So is everyone just ignoring that Miranda claimed something? Because that seems like a pretty good reason to give her some time...

Some of last night's shenanigans did rub me the wrong way, and having literally everyone up for lynch claim to be important feels odd, but I don't know that today needs to be a Lawpy vs Miranda showdown. I know people fake claim all the time, especially when they are in jeopardy, but personally I'm more interested in looking elsewhere today.

Personally, I'd like to hear more from shelter. I know you said you'd be busy with moving in a few days, which is why I'd like to hear from you now. (It sounds like you'll be busier then). Do you have any comments on the wild ride that happened yesterday? Have you caught up?

@sheltermed

Can you quote her claim? Other than “I is important.” Which anyone can say at anytime. Especially a front runner wolf on a day 1 lynch.

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

I'm going to respond to y'all as best as I can!

Did anyone else notice that miranda could have tried to swing the vote to either Nav or barks but instead chose to try to swing it to me, and eventually went with Lawpy? Does anyone else think this would be a good reason to see her flip as it may give us insight into barks and nav as well?

Would it be possible to
Lynch miranda?

Are you admitting this is your fault? Or care to admit to the other part of my night results?

Or lynching me will give you no information on anybody other than me because I'm a villager who knows nothing about anyone's affiliations so you want to lead the rest of the village on a freaking wild goose chase now based on 1 lynch that's super early? Puh-lease.

Sorry, but i'm struggling to see Moosy as village

Lynch Moosy Miranda

Hey, you keep saying how people keep "claiming to read" you and can't, well you can't read me either. That's what this game is. So, taking things personally is not what you should be doing. I get it, I get pissed when I'm lynched early, and personally I'm sorry that I tried to lynch you because I know how excited I get when I start a game and to die early sucks but on a game level, I'm not sorry I tried to lynch you. Your responses after lynch close make me lean village but you're not 100% cleared. I will not vote for you today but I'm telling you i'm village.

I am honestly not sure where to go right now. I am not sure if AM is so far off their game or is just riding the wolf train of tunneling while providing mild inquisitions elsewhere. I think 20% is fueled by vindictiveness from my most recent wolfing experience, where I got her lynched day 1, and then killed her off when she came back because she was a cleared villager.

Cubs will find any excuse to lynch me in just about any game, so it’s mostly NAI.

Moose’s timing yesterday rubbed me the wrong way, and I think that’s where I am going to go.

Based off of how previous mods have done stuff in the past, when you have a wolf that is lynched on day one while someone is fated to die, they will sometimes let wolf chat know not to out themself at that point. Makes that whole drama queen scenario become NAI, not village indicating imo. With how ridiculously over the top it was, and with the tone change and change in attitude, it may even be slight wolfiness indicating, but I would want to find another game where he reacted as such.

Dubz is still lingering in my should probably maintain pressure on each day list, I am not thrilled by their gameplay at this point.

Lupin feels slightly off compared to normal. The early vote on me was also weird, puts them in borderline wolf territory/high neutral.

Mutts is coming off as acting weird to me, which is normally a village associated thing in my mind.

MJ jumping on low hanging fruit makes me also want to vote there, mid wolfiness.

Allieh’s tone has been mildly to moderately off.

Other than that, not a whole lot has truly stuck out to me.

*********lynch moose******

For realz Nav? Your timing sucks because you're working all the time. So does mine, can we not? Of course you're going to go for the easy freaking low-hanging fruit.

Both miz and moose claimed they had roles that were important to village. Miz ended up being the one to bite the dust.
It kinda puts moose in a weird spotlight
Her death really doesn't clear nav.

I don't think I want to use the whole lawpy rant thing to clear him he was pinging my radar before he started ranting and I don't know if I want to put him in a village pile just yet.

I'll have to agree with mutts and say that ziggy and dubz pinged me the wrong way also. I'll lean both of the neutral for now.

I didn't kill nobody. The wolves played on the fact that I'm low-hanging fruit and the miz death (to some) would make me look guilty of some bull****. I'm not that stupid. But whatever

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

Can you quote her claim? Other than “I is important.” Which anyone can say at anytime. Especially a front runner wolf on a day 1 lynch.

It's not a false claim. I consider my role to be important to the village.

 

[finnickthedog]

Nobody is actually standing out as wolfy to me at this point. I've got a couple people in my probable villager pile and then some people who have been maybe a little weird but I struggle to actually connect their weirdness to wolfy behavior.

Ziggy is still one that I think was weird but I think pressing her today isn't going to get very far with that post restriction. May revisit her tomorrow.

Not really on board with lynching MOOSE right now. Maybe I missed it, but what is the reasoning for voting there?
While the claim of importance doesn't really sway me, I'd also rather not lynch someone who might be important unless there's some decent reason to think they're a wolf and I feel like I'm missing that.

 

[Lawpy]

Hey, you keep saying how people keep "claiming to read" you and can't, well you can't read me either. That's what this game is. So, taking things personally is not what you should be doing. I get it, I get pissed when I'm lynched early, and personally I'm sorry that I tried to lynch you because I know how excited I get when I start a game and to die early sucks but on a game level, I'm not sorry I tried to lynch you. Your responses after lynch close make me lean village but you're not 100% cleared. I will not vote for you today but I'm telling you i'm village.

The issue here is you and others decided to bury me last minute when I wasn't in danger when there were alternative/sketchier options to work with. The way that lynch went was completely inconsiderate seeing that I was waiting to hear from others for more details on their reads on me. At least in your case, you were able to reply to quotes and defend and I even swinged my vote away from you to MsPro. But no, let's just be a jerk and bury me last minute without allowing me to defend and expecting me to answer everything at once.

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

I even swinged my vote away from you to MsPro.

Thanks for that by the way

 

[Lawpy]

I was gonna unlynch when I lynched someone else

I also never lynched her because I hadn't caught up

i'm not sure what you're saying here 😕

 

[Ms Procrastinator]

Unlynch. Fixed it.

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

My reads (since @Animal Midwife asked)

MsP people keep saying she's playing differently, I'm unsure I do kinda see what people are saying but I don't necessarily agree

Ziggy, I find ziggy to be super sketch

Nav, his reads seem meh, and him jumping on MJ for that vote calling himself "low-hanging fruit" seemed silly. Also, him having just wolfed with me knows how I try to play as a wolf and is now throwing me under the bus. He seems wolfy but I don't know if he would kill miz his first night as a wolf (not because of the whole loving wifey thing) but because she's an easy target, so that makes me lean more village nav.

WZ seems off, her tone isn't as hunty as normal, not as aggressive.

SAR seems normal on thread and in the few PMs we've had.

Lupin, never played with her before but leaning neutral village here.

Finnick seems like village finnick

Lawpy still watching but leaning more village due to reaction after lynch

Miz I'm neutral on, pretty unsure here

Cubs is leaning village, I'm liking her post logic

Dolphin seems a bit quiet but posts seem normal, neutral/village here

Allie seems village self

Genny is normal sassy village self

MPM is falling neutral, a bit unsure about her right now though, something about her posts seem sketch, they have her logic in some of them but she's more appeasing than normal.

FS is leaning sketch but sketch/neutral. Hate the easy vote on me but whatever.

Top 3 wolf leans right now:
Ziggy, WZ, FS

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

The issue here is you and others decided to bury me last minute when I wasn't in danger when there were alternative/sketchier options to work with. The way that lynch went was completely inconsiderate seeing that I was waiting to hear from others for more details on their reads on me. At least in your case, you were able to reply to quotes and defend and I even swinged my vote away from you to MsPro. But no, let's just be a jerk and bury me last minute without allowing me to defend and expecting me to answer everything at once.

how the frack do you think I felt? But again, it's a game. Don't take stuff personally. And I didn't swing it to you because you couldn't defend yourself, that's ****ty. I did it because I felt you were sketch. It wasn't random. You say there were more sketchy people, but I found you sketchy. Sorry but that's the way it was.