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On the other hand, this feels way too much like mods holding the hands of players or interfering to try and rebalance a game - not something I've typically associated with games on SDN and as such not something I expect to have happen. I'm not clearing Lawpy, but I think the way it went down was 100% fitting with his meta and gets him village points from me.

Slight side eye for some shade-slinging here but also I don't think wolf!Nav would be this obvious about shading someone they wanted village to lynch
I actually agree with nav here that were a wolf on the chopping block in this situation, as a mod you do kind of have to tell them that they shouldn't wolf brag. Most wolves will ask if it is safe to do so anyway.


However I read lawp's reactions as genuine so I'm still giving him village points there for now.
 
She was on my radar but less so since she didnt start it, she fell right in to WZ's trap.
I'm not putting all my wolfy suspects out - last time I was mostly right and was nk'd.
I feel like I'm right this time too
What trap exactly? You're tunneling pretty hard there mutts.
 
Could whoever it is post-restrict me next?? It kinda seems like fun!
Why does it seem fun -_-? could you direct your questioning to AM for this purpose?
I actually agree with nav here that were a wolf on the chopping block in this situation, as a mod you do kind of have to tell them that they shouldn't wolf brag. Most wolves will ask if it is safe to do so anyway.


However I read lawp's reactions as genuine so I'm still giving him village points there for now.
Why as a mod do you have to tell them this? Does this not get rid of any possible utility of the "destined to die" role for village?

Can someone say whether they think I'm taking crazy pills for thinking dubs and Navs are making this craziness up?
 
UNOFFICIAL Ruby Rules Day 2 Lynch Tally
Nav (2) - AM, cubs
WZ (1) - mutts
Lawp (1) - MJ
Frosty (1) - allieh
MOOSE (4) - ziggy, shelter, Lawpy, Nav
ziggy (1) - SAR
MsP (1) - dolphin
shelter (1) - genny
allie (1) - Barks

13/23

Deadline at 9pm Central
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Hard dislike. I’m not trying to continue the conversation/argument of if it was fair or polite of how your lynch went down. But literally reading everything last night I’d argue moose was in a very similar situation. And the arguing with her is almost just coming off like who had it worse in that department. And you simultaneously voting for her is not a good look. So if you’d like to be helpful for the village you could drop the issue at this point and wolf hunt. But everyone just doing the same thing they did yesterday with voting moose just feels largely unhelpful.
Do you have reason to believe moose is village other than her vague claim of importance?
 
You’re voting for her Bc of how last night happened Bc you’re mad it has nothing to do with it being Wolfy or not. Also if ski knew she was destined to die why would she collaborate with a wolf/sketchy player to lynch a villager? Also you can continue to complain about timing but not having a lot of time to defend sucks all around whether it’s two minutes or twenty.
Meh, moose was in the lead with an hour to go, and gained votes gradually enough that, had she been around, she easily would have had time to defend. Lawp only had two votes at that point (one from MJ, who gave no reason), and the rest were acquired in the last 3 minutes of the lynch. Not the same situation at all.
 
Do you not think it's weird that she said she said she was suspicious of me, yet claimed she hadn't read or "didn't know" I wouldn't be on thread?
How do you feel about her willing to switch to me or Lawpy but not bring up nav or barks?
I feel like her saying that she had to catch up still in the post I quoted earlier is probably true. There was a lot to read yesterday, especially if you worked all day. Her being suspicious of you and lawper could have happened from what she did see. I don't know why she didn't choose one of the others in range for a switch, but that doesn't feel affiliation indicative one way or the other for me since she mentioned you both in that first post.

Okedoke, what happened there was that I wanted to go Ziggy but Miz didn't. As mpm said, I was trying to stay on top of the thread at work and didn't like Ziggy's interactions from earlier. I did not see the post where she said she wasn't going to be on at lynch close! I was also up for lawpy too but Miz had to be the one to pick who because if she wasn't going to vote with me then there wouldn't be enough numbers to save me. That's the way it was.
 
Meh, moose was in the lead with an hour to go, and gained votes gradually enough that, had she been around, she easily would have had time to defend. Lawp only had two votes at that point (one from MJ, who gave no reason), and the rest were acquired in the last 3 minutes of the lynch. Not the same situation at all.
I GOT BACK ON THE THREAD AT 9:35P!!!! I had last looked at the thread many many many hours before (idk when at work, maybe around 3p)when there was nobody really on me!!! If I was around and getting votes I would be defending myself!!!
 
I GOT BACK ON THE THREAD AT 9:35P!!!! I had last looked at the thread many many many hours before (idk when at work, maybe around 3p)when there was nobody really on me!!! If I was around and getting votes I would be defending myself!!!
Dude that was not my point. We can't just not vote for you because you're only going to be here in the last 20 minutes of the day. I voted for you with like 4 hours to go. Whether or not you could be around is NAI, my point is lawp being upset about a last minute bandwagon is understandable, you being upset about a slow building vote and acting like it was a last minute bandwagon doesn't make me feel better about you.
 
She was on my radar but less so since she didnt start it, she fell right in to WZ's trap.
I'm not putting all my wolfy suspects out - last time I was mostly right and was nk'd.
I feel like I'm right this time too

I don't like this post. It hits me right in the feels

Ziggy, working on quotes for you now. My internet seems to be behaving better
 
Why as a mod do you have to tell them this? Does this not get rid of any possible utility of the "destined to die" role for village?

Can someone say whether they think I'm taking crazy pills for thinking dubs and Navs are making this craziness up?
The utility of that role is so no one who really wants to play has to die d1. That's literally the only reason it exists. It first showed up in noob games for that reason. It is not meant to be a wolf-outing mechanic.
 
Dude that was not my point. We can't just not vote for you because you're only going to be here in the last 20 minutes of the day. I voted for you with like 4 hours to go. Whether or not you could be around is NAI, my point is lawp being upset about a last minute bandwagon is understandable, you being upset about a slow building vote and acting like it was a last minute bandwagon doesn't make me feel better about you.
You say it was slow building and compared to lawpy's it definitely was but I didn't have a problem with the "early votes" but I had a problem with the fact that people piled on. I'm going to try to move forward and wolf hunt like the villager I am instead of focusing on D1 stuff where no one actually got hurt. Take it and move forward. If you think I'm wolf vote for me but if you think I'm wolf based on my defense then you don't know me as a player or you're a wolf.
 
The utility of that role is so no one who really wants to play has to die d1. That's literally the only reason it exists. It first showed up in noob games for that reason. It is not meant to be a wolf-outing mechanic.
Are you saying she was given that role because she didn't want to play all that much?
 
The utility of that role is so no one who really wants to play has to die d1.
Was the utility of the role not to make sure that otter died d1 as she didn't want to play?
It is not meant to be a wolf-outing mechanic.
How would it be a wolf outing mechanic if we had lynched a wolf d1??
 
Are you saying she was given that role because she didn't want to play all that much?
Uh, yeah, it's not typically a role you RNG to someone, would be kind of a dick move. I wouldn't be surprised if she volunteered, I think she was that role in one of my games.
 
Are you saying she was given that role because she didn't want to play all that much?

I think it's one of the few roles I've ever seen @SkiOtter have. It's been more than once. Enough that I probably should have guessed what was going down haha

(aka yes that is a safe assumption)

Edit: ninjaed
 
Was the utility of the role not to make sure that otter died d1 as she didn't want to play?
I think that's exactly what I said?

How would it be a wolf outing mechanic if we had lynched a wolf d1??
But we didn't, because the lynch didn't go through, nor is it meant to. It is meant to be a filler day like a mayor vote. Not to determine the outcome of d2. It's not really meant to spew anyone village either but sometimes that is just kind of what happens.
 
Does anyone else not see a huge issue with the idea of the mods purposefully only giving wolves information that villagers don't get (as nav and dubs are both saying) or am I the only one?

Anyways, would you like to share anything with the class @nyanko @Mad Jack @Skimble @sheltermed ?
 
You say it was slow building and compared to lawpy's it definitely was but I didn't have a problem with the "early votes" but I had a problem with the fact that people piled on. I'm going to try to move forward and wolf hunt like the villager I am instead of focusing on D1 stuff where no one actually got hurt. Take it and move forward. If you think I'm wolf vote for me but if you think I'm wolf based on my defense then you don't know me as a player or you're a wolf.
What is there to talk about if not the progression of wagons and reactions to said wagons?

Which voters are you concerned about specifically?
 
Does anyone else not see a huge issue with the idea of the mods purposefully only giving wolves information that villagers don't get (as nav and dubs are both saying) or am I the only one?

Anyways, would you like to share anything with the class @nyanko @Mad Jack @Skimble @sheltermed ?
Mods say "it is not safe to wolf brag" in lots of games, for various reasons, especially if asked. Villagers don't village brag so it's not really an issue.
 
@ziggyandjazzy I'm going to put this in a spoiler tag because I hate how quote spam looks, but here are a select few posts and why they have you on my sketch town list:
She voted late last game and was a serial killer so your theory is flawed imo


Also can we not get mad at early voting thanks
Feels like shutting down early discussion

###lynch lawpy###
Bc it sounds like a good idea and he could be a wolf :thinking:
Didn't like how this was phrased. Wrote down "Ziggy and Lawper could be w/w" from this because it felt like the type of non-chalant vote a wolf would throw out early on D1

Omg I just realized I can cash in on this rule!! Don't lynch me for I am a poor innocent prior mod!
But really, I kid. Do it if you think I'm a wolf but not for a silly reason like that 😉

How would voting for lawpy mean I had a village read on her?
Same as above, sounds like wolf phrasing to me. I'm used to you being more antagonistic and less jokey on thread. This read as someone with more knowledge than the general public to me because of this.

I can pm with him but Idk the thought is a little ~spooky~ to consider
When asked why you thought about voting for Nav this was your reasoning which is probably the weirdest reasoning I've seen and is very ???

**** it wasn't going to do it for #posterity but it's my biggest feel so idk I'll go with it
##unlynch lawps lynch dubs##
Because I think she's a wolf. Why are you voting Msp again??

Lynching Dubz with no real reasons given except "because I think she's a wolf". Later on it felt like you adopted reasons other people gave for voting for her as though to justify your vote. As a wolf, trying to get a village!Dubz out would be a solid move and something I could 100% see you doing.

Lastly, you have the most information to give me on a flip. Your flip would give me more detailed thoughts on Mutts, Barks, and genny based on their interactions with you.
 
How about you admit you're wrong now and look for a wolf to go after?

What about the lawpy/moose vote has you reading moose village?
It didnt seem like anyone was working to save either one of them

What trap exactly? You're tunneling pretty hard there mutts.
Mistaking Moose for mpm is not uncommon . The comment below was trapy
Dammit ski now I have to wonder if that was some kind of slip
 
Lastly, you have the most information to give me on a flip. Your flip would give me more detailed thoughts on Mutts, Barks, and genny based on their interactions with you.
strange you excluded WZ who she heavily interacted with d1

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Lastly, you have the most information to give me on a flip. Your flip would give me more detailed thoughts on Mutts, Barks, and genny based on their interactions with you.
What sort of info would it provide you when I flip village?
edit and why is flipping the most talkative person literally a benefit to you?
 
Mistaking Moose for mpm is not uncommon . The comment below was trapy
Or it was a legitimate moment of concern? Yes the mix-up happens, but it would happen even more easily if she was PMing with both of them. I've gotten **** for typos before, so I don't think it's unreasonable to raise an eyebrow for a moment.


It didnt seem like anyone was working to save either one of them
Other than moose trying to save herself I suppose :laugh: this is when I need a Lynch tracker, but fair enough considering the last two votes on lawp were villagers
 
So you're still standing on your early reads and no one else has stood out at this point?
Yes, they have not done anything to make me feel other wise except calm down the behavior after bing called out and no, the bold is not what I am saying
 
@SARdoghandler I'm working on shuffling things a bit. Zig and MsP are in there I think but I'm not sure I trust the zig read because the question thing makes it hard to read her today. Still figuring out if I've changed my mind on moose.
 
Yes, they have not done anything to make me feel other wise except calm down the behavior after bing called out and no, the bold is not what I am saying

Your bold didn't work but I'm assuming it was meant to be on "and no one else has stood out?"

In which case, would you care to elaborate?
 
If you weren't voting for Nav, where would you go next? I appreciate the **** posting, but I need some reads at least occasionally 😉

Wait so now im in the non participating, fluff only category when some people havent even posted more than 3 times? Genny and Muggles have both set off my wolf radar. Village reads include ziggy, lawper, moose, barks. Everyone else is... i dunno.. neutral since they havent participated? True uncertains, AM, WZ
 
Yes, they have not done anything to make me feel other wise
What could I even do to make you feel otherwise? Did you not even state that even if dubs flipped village you would still see me as a wolf? Do you not see the harm in having static reads that don't change no matter what a person does?
 
Does it not seem a bit wolfy to make a bird presumably slam into a glass window or something similar?

Also, who is in your village pile? in your wolfy one?
Miz is in my village pile. The wolfy one is less of a pile, and more of a wide scattering. Shelter, Nav, Cubs, all of the low posters that don't contribute enough to be readable. Lupin, just because I never completely trust her.

But not as a villager?
She does both. Which makes it hard to distinguish affiliation.
 
Or it was a legitimate moment of concern? Yes the mix-up happens, but it would happen even more easily if she was PMing with both of them. I've gotten **** for typos before, so I don't think it's unreasonable to raise an eyebrow for a moment.

Other than moose trying to save herself I suppose :laugh: this is when I need a Lynch tracker, but fair enough considering the last two votes on lawp were villagers
Agree to disagree
Moose trying to save herself is NAI :nono:

Your bold didn't work but I'm assuming it was meant to be on "and no one else has stood out?"

In which case, would you care to elaborate?
My village reads are moose, lawper and either genny/nav (maybe both)
 
Good evening!
so I kind of expected this to take place after day close. Can someone post a tally? I am up to date, but haven't taken notes and will need to reread tomorrow to comment on previous comments
 
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