2009-2010 Columbia University Application Thread

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Hi -- for those familiar with how the housing application process goes, is this the website where we are supposed to fill out our housing app?
http://www.cumc-housing.columbia.edu/forms/form_psapp.html
I see that the not-too-detailed housing info we got states that the app deadline is 4/15. Aren't we guaranteed housing at Bard? Thanks for any clarification! 🙂


I'd like some clarification as well, along with some of the details about what second year housing options are and what you need to do to qualify? I seem to remember being told something about students that live in Bard for a year receiving priority in upgrading to the nicer apartments.

As for the housing information, I filled it out, hit submit, and it said that I couldn't submit housing information until april 15th. It still sent me a confirmation email though, so yeah...
 
We didn't fill out hosing until after second look if I recall. Feel free to check with the housing office on Monday though. As far as 2nd year options, the only second year and later option that is exclusive is the the Bard Towers, which are the nicest of the apartments on campus. There are also studios and I believe 1 bedrooms available, but I don't know if they are all in the Towers proper. Other options that are available to everyone are the Georgian apartments and maybe some random other non-Georgian buildings.
 
Hi, this is my first ever post! I'm on the waitlist here, working on an update letter.

A question for current students: How much and in what ways do you think med students benefit from the fact that Columbia is a big university?
 
that housing info packet was pretty paltry. I would have expected it to have a little more info considering it took a few weeks for them to get it together. I really don't know much more about housing now that i have it.
 
Hi, this is my first ever post! I'm on the waitlist here, working on an update letter.

A question for current students: How much and in what ways do you think med students benefit from the fact that Columbia is a big university?

I think the biggest benefit outside of research is the fact that we get one free class per semester at any department or school. There's a lot to choose from because of that. It's also nice because we do a lot of socialization with the other grad schools, and there's a lot of people to meet (read: date)
 
I think the biggest benefit outside of research is the fact that we get one free class per semester at any department or school. There's a lot to choose from because of that. It's also nice because we do a lot of socialization with the other grad schools, and there's a lot of people to meet (read: date)

Thanks! Honestly sounds like a dream come true.

Do a lot of people take advantage of the free class? Do the ones that do eventually want to punch themselves in the face for taking on the extra work?

At the moment I'm really interested in getting into computer programming, it's something that I'd definitely want to explore if I got in.
 
Thanks! Honestly sounds like a dream come true.

Do a lot of people take advantage of the free class? Do the ones that do eventually want to punch themselves in the face for taking on the extra work?

At the moment I'm really interested in getting into computer programming, it's something that I'd definitely want to explore if I got in.

Some do. A few are taking music/dance/arts classes and a few are taking stats and other things. There's plenty of time to do it in, especially if you audit. It's all about what your priorities are.
 
Any idea other than the May15th date as to when we waitlisters will see any movement ... did any people last year hear anything before May15th?
 
Any idea other than the May15th date as to when we waitlisters will see any movement ... did any people last year hear anything before May15th?


We're all waiting for financial information, so I doubt the waitlist will move much until early May. The only people that are going to withdraw right now are the ones that wouldn't consider Columbia regardless of finances.
 
Any idea other than the May15th date as to when we waitlisters will see any movement ... did any people last year hear anything before May15th?

posts from last year suggest WL movement began the last week of April :xf::xf::xf:
 
Yes ......:xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf::xf: to infinitum. Any idea how many are on and then how many are accepted from the waitlist

numbers mentioned on this website have been on the order of 30-60 people taken from a list of ~300
 
numbers mentioned on this website have been on the order of 30-60 people taken from a list of ~300


I know people talked previously about being on the WL and asking for a 2nd interview.... has anyone been asked to schedule one yet????
 
You can see the different Bard Hall room diagrams here, and also some info about the different housing.

http://www.cumc-housing.columbia.edu/accommodations.html

It's cool that they have the breakdown on the different room types - is there any way to put in a request for a specific type, or are the Bard assignments just random?

Although, there's no space on the P&S housing form for non-disability-related requests, so I'm guessing it's luck of the draw.
 
It's cool that they have the breakdown on the different room types - is there any way to put in a request for a specific type, or are the Bard assignments just random?

Although, there's no space on the P&S housing form for non-disability-related requests, so I'm guessing it's luck of the draw.

Just write on there if you have a specific type you want. They will fulfill non disability requests as they can.
 
I know people talked previously about being on the WL and asking for a 2nd interview.... has anyone been asked to schedule one yet????

Nope...I wrote a LOI with a shallow hint that I would be in the area and "would love a chance to talk about my interest in Columbia" (or something like that), but didn't get any request to schedule a 2nd interview.

Did anyone get any sort of response to their LOI?
 
It's cool that they have the breakdown on the different room types - is there any way to put in a request for a specific type, or are the Bard assignments just random?

Although, there's no space on the P&S housing form for non-disability-related requests, so I'm guessing it's luck of the draw.

Wait did this come to our address? When is this due?
 
Wait did this come to our address? When is this due?

You can't fill it out until April 15th. The form still submits, but you'll get an angry letter from the administration a few days later telling you that the application isn't yet open, and that whatever you just submitted is not valid. Or, you know, I imagine that's what happens... it isn't as though I have experience with such things... 🙄
 
You can't fill it out until April 15th. The form still submits, but you'll get an angry letter from the administration a few days later telling you that the application isn't yet open, and that whatever you just submitted is not valid. Or, you know, I imagine that's what happens... it isn't as though I have experience with such things... 🙄

of course I wouldn't expect something silly like that from you austinap 😛 thanks for info...got worried because my parents will be gone for a few days and I'm at school, but my mail comes to the permanent address
 
So I'm set on Columbia, called them today to ask when our diplomas are due (cause I have to take Calc II this summer to finish my degree) - and they said that final transcripts are due by the time we get there for orientation, but that P&S doesn't actually require an undergrad degree for matriculation. 😕 She said I was good as long as my premed prereqs were completed (and they are).

This has me thinking.. it would be kind of nice to just chill and enjoy my last summer, go on a trip with some friends instead of spending $3000 on summer tuition and housing. Anyone know any current students who didn't finish their degree? Did they ever ask you if you'd finished your degree? (My gut tells me it's all wishful thinking on my part and that I'm stuck with my summer of math. I didn't ask them about my case specifically cause I was worried they might just rescind my acceptance on the spot for being so lazy. 🙄 )
 
So I'm set on Columbia, called them today to ask when our diplomas are due (cause I have to take Calc II this summer to finish my degree) - and they said that final transcripts are due by the time we get there for orientation, but that P&S doesn't actually require an undergrad degree for matriculation. 😕 She said I was good as long as my premed prereqs were completed (and they are).

This has me thinking.. it would be kind of nice to just chill and enjoy my last summer, go on a trip with some friends instead of spending $3000 on summer tuition and housing. Anyone know any current students who didn't finish their degree? Did they ever ask you if you'd finished your degree? (My gut tells me it's all wishful thinking on my part and that I'm stuck with my summer of math. I didn't ask them about my case specifically cause I was worried they might just rescind my acceptance on the spot for being so lazy. 🙄 )


I'm in a similar boat, that my graduate degree won't be granted until December. I was a bit surprised by the policy, but it definitely takes some stress out of things (otherwise I'd have to submit my thesis in early May, meaning I'd have to have it completely in two weeks so I could get signatures).

I'd definitely recommend finishing your degree. Even if Columbia doesn't care, residency programs might. It is also a significant line that you won't be able to put on your resume. I'm sure this option is strongly advised against, but it may be possible for you to finish your bachelor's while at Columbia, since they let you take one undergrad course for free each semester. If your current institution would accept the transfers, you could finish your bachelors over the next few years and no additional cost and have your summer off. I'd be very hesitant to commit myself to any extra workload in med school though. I'd like to take a few non-med classes during med school, but I'm more likely to audit them or take them pass/fail which takes away most of the stress.
 
Did anyone else get this letter from Dean Frantz asking for more LOIs "later in the spring"? I received the letter yesterday and it was postmarked 3/24...
 
I'm in a similar boat, that my graduate degree won't be granted until December. I was a bit surprised by the policy, but it definitely takes some stress out of things (otherwise I'd have to submit my thesis in early May, meaning I'd have to have it completely in two weeks so I could get signatures).

I'd definitely recommend finishing your degree. Even if Columbia doesn't care, residency programs might. It is also a significant line that you won't be able to put on your resume. I'm sure this option is strongly advised against, but it may be possible for you to finish your bachelor's while at Columbia, since they let you take one undergrad course for free each semester. If your current institution would accept the transfers, you could finish your bachelors over the next few years and no additional cost and have your summer off. I'd be very hesitant to commit myself to any extra workload in med school though. I'd like to take a few non-med classes during med school, but I'm more likely to audit them or take them pass/fail which takes away most of the stress.

This is probably good. My dad doesn't have a bachelor's disease and is an MD, so it is possible but that was a long time ago. Also, you probably won't be able to finish your bachelors and Columbia unless you confirm that your old institution will take the math credit and what not. If you do decide to forgo the bachelors make sure to confirm with Columbia. Honestly though, you might regret some day not being a member of the class of 2010 and not truly being an alumni of your institution. Nostalgia is probably worth a few grand in the end. What I would recommend is just finding the easiest possible course you can that fulfills the req, or trying to do it Community College/Online style.
 
This is probably good. My dad doesn't have a bachelor's disease and is an MD, so it is possible but that was a long time ago. Also, you probably won't be able to finish your bachelors and Columbia unless you confirm that your old institution will take the math credit and what not. If you do decide to forgo the bachelors make sure to confirm with Columbia. Honestly though, you might regret some day not being a member of the class of 2010 and not truly being an alumni of your institution. Nostalgia is probably worth a few grand in the end. What I would recommend is just finding the easiest possible course you can that fulfills the req, or trying to do it Community College/Online style.

I think this is definitely true. I would hate to have a regret that is so easily avoided. Another option would be to see if your undergraduate institution will accept credits pass/fail. That way, you still get your low-stress summer.
 
Regarding the LOI I also got that "later in the spring"... and "at intervals of a month or so thereafter".. 🙂

I'm an alternate.

Interesting...had you written Dean Frantz or Dean Nicholas a letter of interest before you got that letter?
 
Even if Columbia doesn't care, residency programs might. It is also a significant line that you won't be able to put on your resume. I'm sure this option is strongly advised against, but it may be possible for you to finish your bachelor's while at Columbia, since they let you take one undergrad course for free each semester.

If you do decide to forgo the bachelors make sure to confirm with Columbia. Honestly though, you might regret some day not being a member of the class of 2010 and not truly being an alumni of your institution. Nostalgia is probably worth a few grand in the end. What I would recommend is just finding the easiest possible course you can that fulfills the req, or trying to do it Community College/Online style.

Yeah, you guys are probably right.. being done in May is a tempting option, but probably just as well to finish the damn degree. (Not gonna lie, mostly just because I don't think I'd ever feel 100% sure Columbia wouldn't just yank my MD away someday - haha, personal regret is taking a backseat to laziness right now). I'll just enroll at the community college near my parents' house, that way I don't have to pay for summer housing. 👍 Thanks for the advice.

Now I really want to know when orientation starts, though... gotta find out how long of a mini-break I'm gonna get!
 
Has anyone heard anything back about overnight housing and stuff for the revisit? I sent in my forum as soon as I got it but haven't gotten any response yet.
 
Did anyone else get this letter from Dean Frantz asking for more LOIs "later in the spring"? I received the letter yesterday and it was postmarked 3/24...
Interesting, was it hand written?? I just got a note acknowledging my letter and thanking me for sending it.
 
i remember reading in previous threads and by word of mouth that Columbia offers a couple of merit-based full scholarships. does any current student know if that is true? and if so, what are the terms of the scholarship (how much?) and how many people get offers?
 
Interesting, was it hand written?? I just got a note acknowledging my letter and thanking me for sending it.

when I sent a LOI back in February, I got a response in March thanking me for the letter.

after I sent my form saying I'm accepting my spot on the wait list, I got a confirmation letter that asked for updates to be sent in the spring and at intervals of about one month.

I don't think this confirmation letter said anything about "letters of intent" (I don't have it with me right now) but just general updates. I think it's a standard letter that goes to everyone who accepts a wait list spot?
 
There are a few full merit based scholarships and other merit based scholarshpis, but many of them have stipulations like being of Croatian descent or a resident of Vermont and what not. You are automatically considered for most scholarships and anything else is sent to you for applying.
 
There are a few full merit based scholarships and other merit based scholarshpis, but many of them have stipulations like being of Croatian descent or a resident of Vermont and what not. You are automatically considered for most scholarships and anything else is sent to you for applying.

Luckily, I am eligible for one of the fellowships (minor point: the acceptance packet called them fellowships instead of scholarships for some reason), but it's the fellowship for people of Chinese descent. Since A) we are automatically considered for fellowships so there's no application process and B) some Asian last names are ambiguous (like mine), how do I know that I won't be mistaken for someone who's not Chinese?
 
Luckily, I am eligible for one of the fellowships (minor point: the acceptance packet called them fellowships instead of scholarships for some reason), but it's the fellowship for people of Chinese descent. Since A) we are automatically considered for fellowships so there's no application process and B) some Asian last names are ambiguous (like mine), how do I know that I won't be mistaken for someone who's not Chinese?

Isn't their a place somewhere to indicate your enthnicity? You could always call though.
 
Did anyone else get this letter from Dean Frantz asking for more LOIs "later in the spring"? I received the letter yesterday and it was postmarked 3/24...

So i got a letter postmarked 1 Apr from Dr Frantz thanking for me my recent letter and stating that my candidacy remains under active consideration by the committee but he cannot schedule any interviews at this time. He did not ask for any more letters later in the spring. Anyone else get something similar, wish i had gotten a letter more like yours gflip lol
 
So i got a letter postmarked 1 Apr from Dr Frantz thanking for me my recent letter and stating that my candidacy remains under active consideration by the committee but he cannot schedule any interviews at this time. He did not ask for any more letters later in the spring. Anyone else get something similar, wish i had gotten a letter more like yours gflip lol

Did you directly ask for an interview?

It's still really early for a 2nd interview, second look hasn't even happened. Late April and early May is the earliest I would expect any waitlist consideration.
 
Interesting, was it hand written?? I just got a note acknowledging my letter and thanking me for sending it.

It was typed and hand signed. But it seemed like a pretty generic letter that all WL people should have received...hmmm


So i got a letter postmarked 1 Apr from Dr Frantz thanking for me my recent letter and stating that my candidacy remains under active consideration by the committee but he cannot schedule any interviews at this time. He did not ask for any more letters later in the spring. Anyone else get something similar, wish i had gotten a letter more like yours gflip lol

In addition to that letter asking for more letters "later in the spring," I also just received this weekend the letter from Dr. Frantz thanking me for the LOI I sent with my WL acceptance, much like your later alf.
 
mmmcdowe, you mentioned calling dean frantz or dean nicholas. how does that come about? do you just call admissions and ask to talk to them or do you just hope that they call you?

around when can you ask about your chances and who do you ask?
 
mmmcdowe, you mentioned calling dean frantz or dean nicholas. how does that come about? do you just call admissions and ask to talk to them or do you just hope that they call you?

around when can you ask about your chances and who do you ask?

Definitely recommend you wait til much later to do any calling, and only if you have something to actually say. Most people that get off waitlist don't call though, so I don't even know how much I encourage it (to be fair, I called, but I had just sent a letter the week before and had found out some really great news). You just call up and say that you would love to talk to one of them if they are available.

As far as the what are my chances question, I haven't heard of Columbia ever answering that question clearly. They aren't like some schools that publish their waitlist or give you a rank and an estimate of how many people will come off waitlist. I wouldn't call and ask, just because I personally think that's the same kind of thing as asking your interviewer what your chances are and stuff. It seems a little invasive, but like I said that's my opinion. You would have to ask the adcom, meaning one of the Deans essentially, and from a practical point of view I wouldn't want to waste a phone call with them on that question because you are probably going to get a fairly indecipherable response. The only time I've heard people get a straight answer is late in the summer when they are like "I have to sign a lease by next week for school X, but I want to come to Columbia, what do you think I should do.?"
 
mmmcdowe, since sending back my form accepting a spot on the waitlist, ive sent a letter of interest, an update letter, and have had my pi write an additional rec. ive received no response from the deans or the admissions committee. is this a bad sign considering the correspondence people have been having?
 
Hey mmmcdowe. Long time reader, first time poster on this thread. This has been bubbling up for a while, and I thought as a student who's involved in admissions you might be someone who'd be good at relaying this to the committee.

I interviewed early in the cycle and was rejected post-interview. And, after thinking about it for a while... recently wrote Dean Frantz a letter about how dissatisfied with how I was treated on interview day. I know they told us not to communicate after this decision was made, but my interview day was just awful.

My interviewer showed up an hour late with no apology, which made me late for my lunch/tour (I had to catch up with the group). He buried himself in the interview room with my application for 30 minutes, then called me in to ask me one (yes, one!) question. He then told me he thought my application was great, that I seemed like a grounded, intelligent person, and I that I definitely would be either accepted or waitlisted. He then went into about a 30-45 minute lecture about why Columbia was excellent, especially trying to compare Columbia to another top medical school that I currently work at.

While I will say most of the students were very nice, I ended up eating lunch with a MS1 who largely ignored me (and other applicants as well). When asking about where each of went to college, she replied to my answer by saying, jokingly (but offensive to me), "Oh, Columbia doesn't accept people from small liberal arts colleges". She ended up spending the 30 minute lunch talking to a single applicant about how much they loved Yale undergrad, while virtually ignoring the rest of us.

Anyway, I know this isn't necessarily Dean Frantz's fault, and I know this will have no effect on my own application cycle. But, I do feel like Columbia should make a concerted effort to give each student a fair interview and treat each applicant with the same respect.

And, I was just wondering if any other applicants had a similar experience.
 
mmmcdowe, since sending back my form accepting a spot on the waitlist, ive sent a letter of interest, an update letter, and have had my pi write an additional rec. ive received no response from the deans or the admissions committee. is this a bad sign considering the correspondence people have been having?

Give it some more time, they've been busy with 2nd look preparations.
 
Hey mmmcdowe. Long time reader, first time poster on this thread. This has been bubbling up for a while, and I thought as a student who's involved in admissions you might be someone who'd be good at relaying this to the committee.

I interviewed early in the cycle and was rejected post-interview. And, after thinking about it for a while... recently wrote Dean Frantz a letter about how dissatisfied with how I was treated on interview day. I know they told us not to communicate after this decision was made, but my interview day was just awful.

My interviewer showed up an hour late with no apology, which made me late for my lunch/tour (I had to catch up with the group). He buried himself in the interview room with my application for 30 minutes, then called me in to ask me one (yes, one!) question. He then told me he thought my application was great, that I seemed like a grounded, intelligent person, and I that I definitely would be either accepted or waitlisted. He then went into about a 30-45 minute lecture about why Columbia was excellent, especially trying to compare Columbia to another top medical school that I currently work at.

While I will say most of the students were very nice, I ended up eating lunch with a MS1 who largely ignored me (and other applicants as well). When asking about where each of went to college, she replied to my answer by saying, jokingly (but offensive to me), "Oh, Columbia doesn't accept people from small liberal arts colleges". She ended up spending the 30 minute lunch talking to a single applicant about how much they loved Yale undergrad, while virtually ignoring the rest of us.

Anyway, I know this isn't necessarily Dean Frantz's fault, and I know this will have no effect on my own application cycle. But, I do feel like Columbia should make a concerted effort to give each student a fair interview and treat each applicant with the same respect.

And, I was just wondering if any other applicants had a similar experience.

I had a slightly similar experience. Only in that my interview took a long time to explain why Columbia was great and didn't ask too many question. I didn't get rudeness from anyone else there, and I was eventually waitlisted. Most of the students seemed really nice, so I'm surprised someone said that to you. I also went to a small LAC and I know a fair number of people from my college who go to Columbia, so I know they aren't biased against LAC grads.
 
Hey mmmcdowe. Long time reader, first time poster on this thread. This has been bubbling up for a while, and I thought as a student who's involved in admissions you might be someone who'd be good at relaying this to the committee.

I interviewed early in the cycle and was rejected post-interview. And, after thinking about it for a while... recently wrote Dean Frantz a letter about how dissatisfied with how I was treated on interview day. I know they told us not to communicate after this decision was made, but my interview day was just awful.

My interviewer showed up an hour late with no apology, which made me late for my lunch/tour (I had to catch up with the group). He buried himself in the interview room with my application for 30 minutes, then called me in to ask me one (yes, one!) question. He then told me he thought my application was great, that I seemed like a grounded, intelligent person, and I that I definitely would be either accepted or waitlisted. He then went into about a 30-45 minute lecture about why Columbia was excellent, especially trying to compare Columbia to another top medical school that I currently work at.

While I will say most of the students were very nice, I ended up eating lunch with a MS1 who largely ignored me (and other applicants as well). When asking about where each of went to college, she replied to my answer by saying, jokingly (but offensive to me), "Oh, Columbia doesn't accept people from small liberal arts colleges". She ended up spending the 30 minute lunch talking to a single applicant about how much they loved Yale undergrad, while virtually ignoring the rest of us.

Anyway, I know this isn't necessarily Dean Frantz's fault, and I know this will have no effect on my own application cycle. But, I do feel like Columbia should make a concerted effort to give each student a fair interview and treat each applicant with the same respect.

And, I was just wondering if any other applicants had a similar experience.

I would encourage you to write to the admissions office director, Ms. Ellen Perez. She is probably going to be able to affect more change on things like this more than Dean Frantz.
 
Any thoughts on whether it's fairly easy to get a parking spot in front of Bard Hall - just for move in day? (Rental car.)

I'm leaning towards driving because I really just want to bring my guitar and weights with me - can't really imagine shipping or checking them if I fly. But then again, I can't really imagine me and my terrible driving skills trying to find a place to park a car in Manhattan.

I know April's too early to think about it, but I'm bored at work..
 
Any thoughts on whether it's fairly easy to get a parking spot in front of Bard Hall - just for move in day? (Rental car.)

I'm leaning towards driving because I really just want to bring my guitar and weights with me - can't really imagine shipping or checking them if I fly. But then again, I can't really imagine me and my terrible driving skills trying to find a place to park a car in Manhattan.

I know April's too early to think about it, but I'm bored at work..

They rope off the front of Bard Hall for move ins. 🙂 I recommend getting there early or even moving in a day or two early. Way less hassle.
 
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