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mvenus--do you know if we'll be invited to talk to the interviewees at all? Are fourth year students still giving the tours?

Well, we're definitely not the ones giving tours and lunch. I think the current fourth years would throw a fit if they waited all that time to get the awesome lunch and it got taken away in favor of people who had been there 2 weeks 🙂

There's probably some sort of open invitation to sit in on one of our classes, since we had one interviewee sit at our table for most of Foltz's lecture, but I'm not sure if she was staying with a student host or not. I guess some people in our class knew of some people coming today.

Of course, we got that thing in our acceptance packet last year with the names and e-mail addresses of students from all years, so I imagine that'll be the big way for us to talk about the new curriculum and all. Other than that, it'll probably be an informal thing. Their interview day starts at 10, and the admissions office is right next to the learning studio, so I imagine several people will stop in during the break to say hi and whatnot.
 
Yes - 4th years are doing the tours/lunch. Like the above poster said, the official day starts at 10... so you can go to the 8 or 9am lecture if you want. The day will include a tour of the new facilities [ridic sim center, learning studio, standardized patient center, etc]. The # getting interviewed/day was bumped up to 8/day this year.

The tour guides were given pretty extensive training/information about the new curriculum - how the schedule will be different, etc. We are pretty comfortable talking about it, but wont be able to answer experiencial questions other than saying that "this will be better than what we did, because you'll have 8 less weeks of basic sciences and more time for electives in 4th year" etc...
 
The # getting interviewed/day was bumped up to 8/day this year.

That's actually pretty funny, since they're going to accept far fewer people this year than they did last year.

The tour guides were given pretty extensive training/information about the new curriculum - how the schedule will be different, etc. We are pretty comfortable talking about it, but wont be able to answer experiencial questions other than saying that "this will be better than what we did, because you'll have 8 less weeks of basic sciences and more time for electives in 4th year" etc...

That's good. The second years and the third years have no idea what's going on with it unless they live with a first year (or have otherwise spent a good deal of time with them). Then again, we hardly have a clue about the new curriculum, and we're the ones in the classroom, so go figure 🙄
 
Question about the financial aid session at the end of the day: Does anyone know if it would be stupid to miss this if we're intending on seeking financial aid to pay for school? Or will they present on info we can find elsewhere? After the interview I need to drive to Northern VA, dump my car and grab my suitcase, then catch a ride to Dulles...so the earlier I can leave, the better.
 
That's actually pretty funny, since they're going to accept far fewer people this year than they did last year.


It has to do with having extra interview space in the new building...
 
Question about the financial aid session at the end of the day: Does anyone know if it would be stupid to miss this if we're intending on seeking financial aid to pay for school? Or will they present on info we can find elsewhere? After the interview I need to drive to Northern VA, dump my car and grab my suitcase, then catch a ride to Dulles...so the earlier I can leave, the better.

What time is your flight?

You can get all the info and look over it - emailing the fin. aid people with questions. They are all really friendly and would be more than happy to speak with you at a different time.

I will say the fin. aid session was great - almost a deal breaker for me. I dont know of many other programs that give need-based grant/scholarship money. I believe you can get up to 17.5k/year... which is a lot if you factor 4 yrs and interest [>60K].
 
What time is your flight?

You can get all the info and look over it - emailing the fin. aid people with questions. They are all really friendly and would be more than happy to speak with you at a different time.

I will say the fin. aid session was great - almost a deal breaker for me. I dont know of many other programs that give need-based grant/scholarship money. I believe you can get up to 17.5k/year... which is a lot if you factor 4 yrs and interest [>60K].

The flight's around 10pm. I'm not too worried about getting there in time, especially since I'll be going against traffic (if there ever is such a thing...) once I get out of Cville, but it's nice to have a time buffer.
 
The flight's around 10pm. I'm not too worried about getting there in time, especially since I'll be going against traffic (if there ever is such a thing...) once I get out of Cville, but it's nice to have a time buffer.

I think you'll be fine - aid session is over about 4:15. You'll be in DC by 7 at the very latest. I'd stay, if even for the first 15 minutes of the talk.
 
Question about the financial aid session at the end of the day: Does anyone know if it would be stupid to miss this if we're intending on seeking financial aid to pay for school? Or will they present on info we can find elsewhere? After the interview I need to drive to Northern VA, dump my car and grab my suitcase, then catch a ride to Dulles...so the earlier I can leave, the better.

I didn't go (I had to catch a 4:30 bus up to DC when I interviewed) and it all turned out fine. I would go if you can, but don't feel terrible if you decide to head out early and miss it. They are pretty generous with grant and scholarship money. I got a 17K grant, plus a institutional loan of 10K, which meant that I didn't have to take out any grad plus loans.
 
Like the other two are saying, you can miss the financial aid presentation if you are strapped for time. UVa's financial aid presentation was the only one that I enjoyed and got something out of though. For some reason our financial aid people have a great sense of humor. And candy.

I saw one of the first year medical students hanging out in the admissions office with the applicants today, so I'll see if I can slide in there for a little bit one afternoon.

I feel like I have a bit of a handle on the new curriculum. Calling it "case-based" or "PBL" would be a wild exaggeration. "Active-lectures" would be a better way to describe the teaching style that they're using. We usually have 2-3 lectures (optional attendance) with clicker questions and tiny, small-group tasks built in at our round tables, with one class devoted to an "engagement activity" where we apply the information from the lectures and pre-reading for the day to a group-based exercise. It's traditional teaching infused with a bit of activity and some innovative teaching techniques. To prepare for class and focus our studying, we have things called "learning objectives" for each lecture, and they let you know exactly what you need to take away from the material they give you. All of the questions on our quizzes and exams are taken from the learning objectives, so it's a bit like studying with a review sheet for the exam every night. I don't know if other schools do this or not. The other major shift that I've noticed from super-traditional schools is that we start small (biochem, molecular biology, etc.) and then start building our way up in systems. This is because the faculty want us to have a very firm understanding of the underlying molecular and cellular processes behind things like anatomy and disease, rather than simply memorizing that information upfront without a foundation.

We have also shifted our quizzes and tests to an online, unproctored format, which is fantastic. It relieves a lot of stress because you don't have to take whatever is assigned until you feel confident and relaxed. I took mine at a completely random time that worked best for me and did very well.

Otherwise, yeah, 1.5 year preclinical curriculum, out by noon except when you have small-group CPD (and I would imagine other labs yet to be introduced), P/F, new building, simulation center, etc. I like the faculty and the students so far, as well. They're a very well-balanced, fun and diverse group.

The only thing that bugs me so far is the paperless system and its reliance on computerized PDF's. People seem to be pushing for printouts though, so we'll see what happens. Also, professors are adjusting to the new circular layout of our classroom, so they never seem to know where to look when they're talking. They just kind of spin in place sometimes :laugh:
 
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Hey all,
what kind of things did you talk about for their diversity essay? Unfortunately in this case, I feel like I'm a pretty normal guy.
 
Thanks all for the super helpful comments. 👍
 
Otherwise, yeah, 1.5 year preclinical curriculum, out by noon except when you have small-group CPD (and I would imagine other labs yet to be introduced), P/F, new building, simulation center, etc.

There's also SIM in the afternoon one semester, one afternoon a week. And some CPD lectures on Fridays. Which they really need to push back until at least 12:45.

It'll be interesting to see how the schedule is once we start anatomy.
 
There's also SIM in the afternoon one semester, one afternoon a week. And some CPD lectures on Fridays. Which they really need to push back until at least 12:45.

It'll be interesting to see how the schedule is once we start anatomy.

Good points. I forgot about SIM (Social Issues in Medicine) because I don't have my assignment until next semester. SIM is basically a community service activity that you're assigned to for one semester. People are currently tutoring students at local schools, volunteering at homeless shelters and clinics, working with horses and autistic children, etc.

How many of those CPD lectures do we have? I completely agree that we need to push it back to 12:45; I assume that they are just trying to get us out ASAP, but come on.
 
How many of those CPD lectures do we have? I completely agree that we need to push it back to 12:45; I assume that they are just trying to get us out ASAP, but come on.
We have six total, so five more.
 
If anyone's interested, here are the average matriculant stats for the class of 2014:

GPA: 3.77

MCAT: 34.54 Q (PS: 11.80, VR: 10.84, BS: 11.90)

46% Virginians (I knew that we had to be majority OOS this year)

39% women

19% Underrepresented in medicine (although I would be interested in seeing how they're calculating this...)

The school made a new admissions brochure that they were handing out today after class. Hopefully the website will get an update sometime soon.
 
If anyone's interested, here are the average matriculant stats for the class of 2014:

GPA: 3.77

MCAT: 34.54 Q (PS: 11.80, VR: 10.84, BS: 11.90)

46% Virginians (I knew that we had to be majority OOS this year)

39% women

19% Underrepresented in medicine (although I would be interested in seeing how they're calculating this...)

The school made a new admissions brochure that they were handing out today after class. Hopefully the website will get an update sometime soon.

Thanks for that info. Do you know the figures for the number invited to interview, then accepted/etc?

Also, I assume that there will less acceptances given out this year because of the overflow from last year's class right?
 
Also, I assume that there will less acceptances given out this year because of the overflow from last year's class right?

There might end up being the same acceptances in the long run, but I can guarantee that they are going to be a whole lot more conservative with those acceptances. They had to pay off 18 people to defer, and they don't want that to happen again. So, I imagine they'll accept a lot fewer people straight out, and if they need more people to fill the class, they'll pull from the waitlist. As it was last year, no one got in off the waitlist, because we were still above our 'ideal' when classes started.
 
I wonder if they are aiming to continue that majority OOS class composition. As much as I hope they don't continue that trend, I can't really blame them. Richmond isn't exactly being generous right now.
 
A word of advice on interview day: Please, PLEASE do not google search your interviewers during lunch. Not only is it rude, you look like a huge creeper during the interview itself... suboptimal
 
^ Haha.

Does anyone know if there's a Grounds tour included in the interview day? The email just says a tour of the medical center, so I hope not.
 
If it's similar to last year, you walk over to the Lawn (about a block away) and then have a fancy lunch in one of the rooms attached to the Range. You then walk back to the medical school for a tour of the education building and the medical center, followed by an hour and a half of staggered 30-minute interviews. I wish that they included a bit of a Grounds tour so that students could check out the gyms, libraries, Corner, general atmosphere, etc., but I understand why that would be unwise.
 
In terms of the tour - its definitely a time issue. 2 hours to eat and see the campus + hospital + library + sim center [this alone takes almost 20min] + lecture halls is madness.

That being said - the tour can be adjusted depending on what the group wants to see. We're supposed to walk back to the hospital from lunch in a way that u can at least peak at the corner. The gyms are out of the way - but awesome facilities. A lot of us dont even bother going into the hospital itself to save time.

Tell us what u want to see and we can try to make it work....
 
After lunch, I would walk them down the range, past the Alderman/special collections area, in front of the Rotunda, by the Corner, then back to the school/hospital. I find myself spending a good amount of day-to-day time in those areas.
 
After lunch, I would walk them down the range, past the Alderman/special collections area, in front of the Rotunda, by the Corner, then back to the school/hospital. I find myself spending a good amount of day-to-day time in those areas.

That's a lot of walking for girls in heels. I can't even remember where the tour brought us last year, but it was over a lot of construction and there was a bit of running to try to catch up with the comfortably dressed fourth years. That running was definitely not fun in heels.
 
That's a lot of walking for girls in heels. I can't even remember where the tour brought us last year, but it was over a lot of construction and there was a bit of running to try to catch up with the comfortably dressed fourth years. That running was definitely not fun in heels.

Ah, thanks...that's what I was trying to figure out. Was the construction from the South Lawn? Is that all done now?
 
Ah, thanks...that's what I was trying to figure out. Was the construction from the South Lawn? Is that all done now?

Yep - and of course the medical school building is compete - the front of the hospital/cancer center are still under construction. But i always felt its a good thing to see active construction, that means there is money to spend 🙂
 
Hey everyone,

I just interviewed at UVA this past week, and I was wondering if anyone knows how many of those interviewed typically get accepted/alternate/rejected in a given week. I know that the adcom met this morning to make decisions, but they won't let us know of the decisions until October 15 😕....Talk about 6 full weeks of anxiety
 
Hey everyone,

I just interviewed at UVA this past week, and I was wondering if anyone knows how many of those interviewed typically get accepted/alternate/rejected in a given week. I know that the adcom met this morning to make decisions, but they won't let us know of the decisions until October 15 😕....Talk about 6 full weeks of anxiety

its my understanding that everyone has an equal shot - there is no "typical breakdown." Everyone could be accepted... or rejected... or waitlisted on any given week.

Remember, Oct 15 is really early... most people will not even have interviewed
 
Thanks for the reply. The reason I ask is because I felt that the interview went pretty well, and I have five more interviews lined up before Oct 15 that I would rather not attend if I got accepted to UVA (I'd be saving like $1000 in travel expenses), so I don't know what to do at this point...any words of wisdom?
 
Thanks for the reply. The reason I ask is because I felt that the interview went pretty well, and I have five more interviews lined up before Oct 15 that I would rather not attend if I got accepted to UVA (I'd be saving like $1000 in travel expenses), so I don't know what to do at this point...any words of wisdom?

see if u can push them back a few weeks?
 
^ But how likely is it that someone will even hear from the school on the 15th? Even if you interview in September, isn't it possible to not hear for months?
 
^ But how likely is it that someone will even hear from the school on the 15th? Even if you interview in September, isn't it possible to not hear for months?
According to last year's thread, most hear right after Oct. 15. It is not because UVa wants to delay good news, but because Oct. 15 is the earliest offer date mandated by AAMC. So, wait.
 
Thanks for the reply. The reason I ask is because I felt that the interview went pretty well, and I have five more interviews lined up before Oct 15 that I would rather not attend if I got accepted to UVA (I'd be saving like $1000 in travel expenses), so I don't know what to do at this point...any words of wisdom?

You can always ask to postpone them. Or go to the ones that you'd most like to go to after UVA and postpone the rest.

^ But how likely is it that someone will even hear from the school on the 15th? Even if you interview in September, isn't it possible to not hear for months?

It seems like UVA will send you a decision around Oct 15. I got mine on like the 19th (the Monday after), but people more local got theirs sooner. After October 15th, they make a decision the Friday after you interview and send you some notice at that point.
 
Class is mandatory (8-12) unless you feel like losing the points because they check attendance.

Not all classes are mandatory. There's usually ONE mandatory class per day, and there are people who will skip all but that one mandatory class. It just hasn't become widespread yet because, presumably, people are still figuring out which lectures are worth going to. And, of course, you don't need those points to pass the class provided you pass the exams... they only make up 16% of the final grade... basically the equivalent of one exam. And for next week, we don't have any mandatory classes on Monday or Wednesday and the only mandatory class on Tuesday and Thursday is the first one (one is a lab, the other is a case presentation on DKA).

So if you don't want to go to lectures, don't.

As for the other concerns, I think that most of those (such as the Friday afternoon lecture times) will be worked out because there is enough of a complaint from the class as a whole. So a number of these things may not be an issue to them next year; we're just getting the brunt of it because it is a brand new curriculum and has a few growing pains.
 
Just a heads up about the new cirriculum, it definitely sucks. Basically everything is online so you have to do all of your reading on a computer unless you want to print things out which is nearly 100 some pages a week (I had to buy a laser printer because I cannot stand reading on the computer for 4 hours a day). There is group work nearly every day and so far there has been group presentations at least once a week, this past week we had a 18 person group presentation (you can imagine how stupid it is to divide up a small presentation between 18 people). Class is mandatory (8-12) unless you feel like losing the points because they check attendance. I understand the importance of class but sometimes it can be more effective using that time to read/study on your own. Sometimes there is class till 2 on fridays and they give you all of 15min for lunch. We also dont get any sort of break until thanksgiving, in UVa's previous cirriculum they got off labor day as well as a fall break, but since we are in the new cirriculum, we dont get those off. When I interviewed I was never told about everything being online and although I was told there was going to be more group work and in-class interaction, I did not think it would be like this. Had I known all of this I would have definitely gone to a different school with a more traditional cirriculum, like the other schools in Virginia (MCV or EVMS), since I am from Virginia.

Sorry to rant but I just thought I would give you all a heads up... Although if you like groupwork and if going to class everyday is helpful to you, then maybe you would love the new cirriculum.

Wow, thanks for posting 😱 I'm a little bit speechless because I don't like the sound of this "new curriculum" at all. I hope they'll take the 1st year's feedback seriously. Best to you Valbowski.👍
 
Many thanks to mvenus929, Richspiders07, justinbaily and others for sharing your experience!
I'm coming to Cville to interview next week. I have one question for mvenus929 and other M1 students: what is the early clinical experience like for you? There is this "Clinical Performance Development" course for four years, but I cannot find any details about it. I wonder when you get to practice taking H&P, take mock exam on standardized patients, and when you can examine real patients and/or attend the rounds in the morning? Early clinical experience is very important to me (though many have said it's just a sales pitch), so I wish to know how it is like under the new curriculum. Thank you!
 
Valbowski,
I so much appreciate your candor. Thank you many times over for speaking frankly.
 
It seems like UVA will send you a decision around Oct 15. I got mine on like the 19th (the Monday after), but people more local got theirs sooner. After October 15th, they make a decision the Friday after you interview and send you some notice at that point.

Oh sweet, that's fast.
 
what is the early clinical experience like for you? There is this "Clinical Performance Development" course for four years, but I cannot find any details about it. I wonder when you get to practice taking H&P, take mock exam on standardized patients, and when you can examine real patients and/or attend the rounds in the morning? Early clinical experience is very important to me (though many have said it's just a sales pitch), so I wish to know how it is like under the new curriculum. Thank you!

Keep in mind that we've only been in school for 4 weeks, and we don't know much about the curriculum yet to come. Since CPD is another brand new course, they're only releasing the syllabus one week at a time, so we don't really know what's to come.

But, we have been working on patient interviewing. Last week (week 3), we had standardized patients come in and we did a group interview with them (with three students interviewing at a time). This past week (week 4), we learned how to take blood pressures on each other, and determine BMI. This next week (week 5), we get to go into the hospital to interview patients. According to the syllabus, we're just going to watch our mentors interview, but my mentor told us that we'd be partnering up and interviewing that way, so I'm not really sure what we'll be doing. We don't need our opthalmascopes until next semester, so I imagine we won't be getting too in depth with the physical before that. As I understand, it matches up with the rest of the curriculum, so we'll be learning much of the physical exam stuff as we're going through each of the system.

We get patient interviews in class each week. This past week, we had a kid with cystic fibrosis come in. Next week is hemophilia. As a part of Cells to Society (that's the first class you take), we did group interviews of diabetic patients. I'm doing SIM (Social Issues in Medicine) this semester, and part of my assignment is shadowing at the Children's Fitness Clinic.

So we do get a lot of patient interaction early on, and you can certainly find a doc to shadow if you want more (one of our CPD mentors is an ER doc, and he apparently loves to have med students shadow him). You don't get to actually participate in morning rounds until third year, though.

16% of the grade for MCM is a pretty significant portion especially if you dont think you are going to get 100% on all the exams.

Of course, I make the assumption that you're not going to skip out on all the mandatory classes... I imagine everyone will go to the labs and the small group things whether they want to or not, because it would suck to leave your group members doing work without you. Many of the ones we've had so far have points for taking some sort of quiz (though it looks like they might be moving away from that), or for doing something else prior to class (like that nutrition one... they gave points if you logged in for the module).

You can always be like my roommate. She'll go to the library in the morning and study, then actually show up for class when it's mandatory. Personally, I work on the learning objectives as the lecture is going on, so I tune out most of what they say anyway.
 
I would talk about early clinical exposure, but I think that mvenus already said everything that I could think of.

BigValbowski--I must say that you're being a little bit harsh regarding some pretty trivial things. I agree that the paperless system is a drag. I had to fill out one of the surveys this week and I asked specifically for some sort of a compromise regarding printed packets. I have personally been working with a number of people in the administration about setting up a third-party printing subscription for those who want to purchase hard copies rather than do the online/computer-based thing. I am also annoyed that we weren't told about the paperless thing before matriculating, but many schools are beginning to go paperless for budget reasons. When I interviewed at NYU, not a single administrator mentioned that they were paperless, and I had to hear it from the students when I specifically asked.

Lecture is absolutely not mandatory and I rarely go unless I feel like it is necessary. If we have a lab or small-group thing then yes, that is mandatory. Small group and lab activities are mandatory at every medical school. The difference with ours is that the labs and group activities are scheduled within the 8-12 time-frame as far as I can tell. I do agree with you that some of the small-group things could be structured better--I was not a fan of the Southern blot exercise--but there are also a number of activities that are very helpful like the Radiology exercise. They get feedback for every activity, so I'm sure that they're aware of the class's experience.

I'm not hearing a very substantive critique of the curriculum's structure. You have to admit that it's almost entirely traditional in terms of how they're actually delivering content, don't you?

mvenus--yeah, they seemed to drop that immediately.I was neutral about that, but I can see why people would prefer to not have them.
 
I pretty much love the new curriculum. I like how everything's organized, stuff fits together so well. Of course, every now and then we have some classes where I feel time is wasted, but that's what our feedback is for. They design classes with certain goals in mind, and sometimes it either works (radiology = phenomenal lecture) or doesn't (also didn't like the Southern blotting one).
 
So, if you're more of a glass half full person, that means you can get 16% of your final grade by JUST SHOWING UP. That seems like a sweet deal to me... especially for medical school in a P/F system.
 
So, if you're more of a glass half full person, that means you can get 16% of your final grade by JUST SHOWING UP. That seems like a sweet deal to me... especially for medical school in a P/F system.
A great point I forgot to mention. It reduces the pressure even more.
 
Received an interview invite today around noon. I'm out of state, so I was a bit surprised. I'd love to visit here, but I'm not exactly sure I'll have the funds to make it possible. Any easy/cheap ways to get to Charlottesville?
 
Received an interview invite today around noon. I'm out of state, so I was a bit surprised. I'd love to visit here, but I'm not exactly sure I'll have the funds to make it possible. Any easy/cheap ways to get to Charlottesville?

From where?
 
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