All Mr. Silverman said was that I fall in the upper half of the waitlist, and that in this same exact position some years I would've been accepted, and some years I wouldn't have been accepted. I know this probably is not of much use to you excel01, but this is unfortunately all I know!!! I wish all of you the best of luck, and I'm confident that whatever happens to us, it'll work out just fine.
2010-2011 Yale University Application Thread
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All Mr. Silverman said was that I fall in the upper half of the waitlist, and that in this same exact position some years I would've been accepted, and some years I wouldn't have been accepted. I know this probably is not of much use to you excel01, but this is unfortunately all I know!!! I wish all of you the best of luck, and I'm confident that whatever happens to us, it'll work out just fine.
Thanks, and good luck to you. No matter where we end up, we'll probably at least be safer, right?
http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/may/24/new-haven-fourth-most-dangerous-city-us-according-/
true dat... lol
Know a tier-2 who got out of WL yesterday. She is now working very hard on completing some unfinished parts of financial aid application.
Just wondering: Do most wait-listers actually complete their financial aid application even before they are accepted? If a person is wait-listed at, say, 5, schools, it requires a lot of time to complete these 5 F.A. applications (and for YSM, money as well, as NeedAccess costs money) and in the end, most efforts (either 80 % or 100 % of the efforts) will be wasted.
Just wondering: Do most wait-listers actually complete their financial aid application even before they are accepted? If a person is wait-listed at, say, 5, schools, it requires a lot of time to complete these 5 F.A. applications (and for YSM, money as well, as NeedAccess costs money) and in the end, most efforts (either 80 % or 100 % of the efforts) will be wasted.
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I completed all of the online forms for Yale before being accepted, but I didn't mail in a copy of my tax documents until I was accepted.
Hey angel, 4603...was it hard to contact the office? I've been trying for a while and can't get through. Did you try a lot or just get lucky? 😛
I tried calling in on Wednesday and couldn't get through. I'm calling every 2-10 minutes and I get routed to the automated reply every time.
I think this information can be extracted from the waiting list email. If Group 1 is roughly 10%, then Group 2 and 3 most compose of 90% of WLers. Now Group 3 > Group 2, which means that Group 3 must be greater than 45% and Group 2 less than 45%. By being it Group 2, you can assume that you are in the top half of the waitlist pool. I'm a fellow tier 2-er as well.
I completely understand how you feel, but the application process has never been an applicant-friendly process. You apply to 20 schools and go only to 1, thereby "wasting" 95% of your effort. But, I wouldn't necessary call it wasting...because I personally find this process a very humbling experience.
Anyway, I REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT TO GO TO YALE. Yale is to me as N64 is to this boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFlcqWQVVuU
I think this information can be extracted from the waiting list email. If Group 1 is roughly 10%, then Group 2 and 3 most compose of 90% of WLers. Now Group 3 > Group 2, which means that Group 3 must be greater than 45% and Group 2 less than 45%. By being it Group 2, you can assume that you are in the top half of the waitlist pool. I'm a fellow tier 2-er as well.
I completely understand how you feel, but the application process has never been an applicant-friendly process. You apply to 20 schools and go only to 1, thereby "wasting" 95% of your effort. But, I wouldn't necessary call it wasting...because I personally find this process a very humbling experience.
Anyway, I REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT TO GO TO YALE. Yale is to me as N64 is to this boy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFlcqWQVVuU
So have you guys ever tried to win concert tickets off the radio? Well that's how I approached getting through to Yale. I called, got busy signal. Hung up. Immediately called again, until I got through. It took me a good 10 min of repetitive calling to "get lucky." Oh boy Yale admissions are really gonna hate me now... lol
Also Mauer, your deduction skills are awesome!! I should also add that I think Silverman said I was at the top half of tier 2... but maybe I just wanted to hear that. ;-)
lol lucky you then...I'm on call #45...
aw baloney. That sucks. I missed both as well. 🙁
I think it's really to find out where you are on the tier. If you have a *significant* update, email it to the office to make sure it gets read.
Hello fellow Wait-Listers, I'm in tier 2 and I'm also intensely waiting/hoping for good news 🙂
In the spirit of sharing & spreading some hope in this time of uncertainty, I'd like to say some previous years' posts:
- In the "worst year" for wait-listers (i.e., best year for Yale's initial yield), 19 matriculants (of final class of 100) students were from the waitlist pool
- In the "best year" for wait-listers, 49 matriculants (of the final class of 100) students were from the waitlist pool
There was no mention of their tiers. The author of the post said that this information was derived from a conversation with the Admissions Director. I cannot verify these figures other than relaying what has been claimed by the author.
For those who are still waiting on acceptances - I understanding how you might feel. Although being waitlisted is not what we had initially hoped for, over 4000 people applied & 800 interviewed so being waitlisted is nonetheless an accomplishment. 🙂
In the spirit of sharing & spreading some hope in this time of uncertainty, I'd like to say some previous years' posts:
- In the "worst year" for wait-listers (i.e., best year for Yale's initial yield), 19 matriculants (of final class of 100) students were from the waitlist pool
- In the "best year" for wait-listers, 49 matriculants (of the final class of 100) students were from the waitlist pool
There was no mention of their tiers. The author of the post said that this information was derived from a conversation with the Admissions Director. I cannot verify these figures other than relaying what has been claimed by the author.
For those who are still waiting on acceptances - I understanding how you might feel. Although being waitlisted is not what we had initially hoped for, over 4000 people applied & 800 interviewed so being waitlisted is nonetheless an accomplishment. 🙂
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I love the positivity, but I'm somewhat confused by your math...I heard that 19 matriculated from the wait list on the worst year (for wait listers - best for Yale's initial yield) and 49 from the best. It's tough to say whether they are from tier 1 or 2. I'd be interested in finding out what the appx #s for the tiers are when this is all over. Or now...haha
No, he corrected himself. Ignore the first post. It seems like he's saying 19 T1 and 49 T2.
Thanks for pointing out the areas of confusion. I've reposted an edited and clarified version of the two posts from yesterday. Hopefully this will be more helpful. 🙂
As well, from what I gathered from this crude form of literature research (digging through previous years' posts), it appears that there are two waves of invitations after the monumental "May 15th" date. The first wave of invitations goes to fill the spots released on or prior to May 15th. These invitations are offered to those who are at the top of the waitlist (tier 1). I've read that there is an advised response period of 10 days (or two weeks?). In turn, this triggers the second wave of invitations to those who are still wait-listed. The invitations that were declined from the first-wave are now offered to those next-in-line (tier 2 and perhaps tier 3). Since two weeks have passed since May 15th, I presume that the second wave will begin soon (perhaps even as early as this week).
At any given time, the total number of students accepted (enrolled) and offers given should tally up to 100. The Yale School of Medicine has very a clear vision for the exact number of MD candidates in each class -- the perfect 100 --so they have to keep the count precise and not over-invite.
All in all, we're in this together & I wish everyone the best of luck! 🙂
As well, from what I gathered from this crude form of literature research (digging through previous years' posts), it appears that there are two waves of invitations after the monumental "May 15th" date. The first wave of invitations goes to fill the spots released on or prior to May 15th. These invitations are offered to those who are at the top of the waitlist (tier 1). I've read that there is an advised response period of 10 days (or two weeks?). In turn, this triggers the second wave of invitations to those who are still wait-listed. The invitations that were declined from the first-wave are now offered to those next-in-line (tier 2 and perhaps tier 3). Since two weeks have passed since May 15th, I presume that the second wave will begin soon (perhaps even as early as this week).
At any given time, the total number of students accepted (enrolled) and offers given should tally up to 100. The Yale School of Medicine has very a clear vision for the exact number of MD candidates in each class -- the perfect 100 --so they have to keep the count precise and not over-invite.
All in all, we're in this together & I wish everyone the best of luck! 🙂
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I was waitlisted in Tier 2--I got through to the office this past week and was accepted later that same afternoon. I have no idea if that's coincidence or not. My advice for the call-in hours is to call 5 minutes prior to the "start time" and stay on the line if they give you the option. Otherwise you'll never get through. Best of luck to everyone!
Congratulations, Medschool123! Best wishes to wherever you decide to go. Thanks for the tip.🙂
Are any of you also children of YSM alumni? Yale is the perfect school for me it is torture waiting! Does anyone have any advice for the call ins? Also, if anyone would be happy at other schools, please pick those other schools quickly and don't hold on to the spot at Yale, I am sure there are other wait listers like me who are dying in hopes of an acceptance! Good luck to everyone!
strangely, it doesn't seem like it. it's very confusing, I'm not sure what's going on.
If tier 3 is the largest group, then if they were notified, chances are someone would have posted on SDN - based on how many posted about tier 2.
Leads me to think theres a lot going on they're not telling us about.
If tier 3 is the largest group, then if they were notified, chances are someone would have posted on SDN - based on how many posted about tier 2.
Leads me to think theres a lot going on they're not telling us about.
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Argh, I'm so sorry for holding a spot, but 😍Yale😍 (200 k) or CCLCM (0 k)?
Well, I honestly think it comes down to whether or not you think it is worth it to pay 200k for a Yale diploma. Both schools are phenomenal medical schools, and you will get an equally great training at both places. CC is a world-renowned medical center, and the clinical training there would be outstanding. So assuming that you feel comfortable at both schools, it really comes down to whether you're willing to pay 200k for the name "Yale" your diploma. It's not a crass question--some people really think that it is worth it. Personally, I don't really subscribe to that.
Think about it this way. Don't know what college you went to, but I'm assuming it wasn't Yale. And I'm assuming that you got a great education. So if you could do it again, would you spend an extra 200,000 dollars for a Yale diploma? I know I certainly wouldn't do that, especially because I am certain that CCLCM would equip you to be just as great a doctor.
So that's my two cents.
Make it four cents. Yale is an amazing place, but CC is just as prestigious. Owing $0 vs $200,000+interest is certainly something you will appreciate when you graduate and try to buy a house / start a family, etc. You could always do your residency at Yale if you feel like you "need" to have that name on your resume. And coming from either school, you'd be competitive for the residency spots. Good luck with your decision!
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Argh, I'm so sorry for holding a spot, but 😍Yale😍 (200 k) or CCLCM (0 k)?
Congratulations on getting into both Yale and CCLCM! Needless to say, that's quite an accomplishment!
As far as reputation in the medical community goes, CCLCM is just as strong as yale is. People know that there are only 32 spots in the program each year and that it is exceptionally difficult to get into. They also know that the clinical training at the cleveland clinic is amazing. When it comes to residency applications, you will be just as strong coming out of cclcm (probably better actually because of the year of research) as you would be coming out of yale. However, in the eyes of the layperson, yale is much more impressive. Is it worth 200k (actually more because I believe you're paid a stipend during the research year)? That's for you to decide. Regardless, you can't go wrong either way.
I don't think Yale's that prestigious in medicine. It doesn't really attract the brightest minds in the field the way a JHU or yes, cleveland clinic do. It's just got a good name because of the reputation of the university.
Disclaimer: of course I still think its a great place to be.
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Go to CCLCM. Do it!
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I agree 100%. Most doctors I have talked to don't consider Yale to be an elite medical center, and therefore I think the reputation of the medical school suffers. The university (undergraduate) is exceptional, which is why everyone is talking about the "lay" person. But from a doctor's point of view, I don't think it carries the same "oh wow I'm impressed" clout as many other top medical schools.
If you loved Yale way more than CCLCM, you should go. I just would love to be given 200,000 dollars to go to CCLCM. I think that's a pretty sweet trade off. Think about it--you would essentially MAKE 200,000 dollars for going to medical school. That's pretty freaking amazing.
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You're really not making $200,000....you're just not going into major debt for medical school. Plus you still have to pay for living expenses, so you're not all clear and free.
Both are great school schools though. I wouldn't imagine Yale's hospital reputation has any effect on your future. In fact, most Yale graduates go to HMS affiliated hospitals anyway (even more than to their home program).
I believe he means the plurality, not the majority.
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2010 Match
Yale-New Haven Hospital: 14 (including those just for prelim year)
Harvard-Affiliated
Beth Israel: 4
Brigham and Women's: 14
CHOB: 1
Longwood: 3
Mass Ear and Eye: 1
Mass General: 7
Harvard Combined Programs: 2
Total: 32
Very few schools send this many people to Harvard programs. It's partially due to the fact that Harvard has more residency positions than Yale does, and that Yale and Boston are geographically close. Still, they send a lot of students to HMS programs compared to most medical schools....
Thanks for the advice guys. My first choice was Yale. I really liked every single aspect of the school (Yale system, administration, campus, people)-enough to make me pay 20k to spend 4 years there.
But, I can't put my parents and myself through the stress of being in that much debt when given the option not to. Besides, CCLCM is absolutely awesome! At this point I just wish I wasn't given the option to choose.
Ps. I was in tier II, and I got off the waitlist for both programs. For those of you still on waitlists, don't lose hope!
But, I can't put my parents and myself through the stress of being in that much debt when given the option not to. Besides, CCLCM is absolutely awesome! At this point I just wish I wasn't given the option to choose.
Ps. I was in tier II, and I got off the waitlist for both programs. For those of you still on waitlists, don't lose hope!
That still doesn't prove that most go to HMS programs, which was your original statement. If anything, it proves the opposite, since 2/3 of the class is going elsewhere.
While it is true that even 1/3 of the class going to an HMS hospital sounds like a lot, it's not that uncommon for a good east coast school. The HMS hospitals are one of the largest (possibly the largest) network in new england. Stanford is as good/if not better than yale, but I'd be a bit surprised if the fraction was as high, only because S is in CA.
Lastly, I'm also not sure what point you are trying to make. As I'm sure you know, for residency, HMS affiliated hospitals are not always the best nor the most competitive. The fact that Yale sends "many" there means...what?
While it is true that even 1/3 of the class going to an HMS hospital sounds like a lot, it's not that uncommon for a good east coast school. The HMS hospitals are one of the largest (possibly the largest) network in new england. Stanford is as good/if not better than yale, but I'd be a bit surprised if the fraction was as high, only because S is in CA.
Lastly, I'm also not sure what point you are trying to make. As I'm sure you know, for residency, HMS affiliated hospitals are not always the best nor the most competitive. The fact that Yale sends "many" there means...what?
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Thanks for the advice guys. My first choice was Yale. I really liked every single aspect of the school (Yale system, administration, campus, people)-enough to make me pay 20k to spend 4 years there.
But, I can't put my parents and myself through the stress of being in that much debt when given the option not to. Besides, CCLCM is absolutely awesome! At this point I just wish I wasn't given the option to choose.
Ps. I was in tier II, and I got off the waitlist for both programs. For those of you still on waitlists, don't lose hope!
Yum, I'm sorry to hear how agonizing this decision has become--it really is a tough one. Just keep in mind the long run. In five years from now, what would you rather have, a Yale degree or truly a mountain of debt? Both places have equally fantastic training programs, progressive curricula, and intelligent students.
Good luck with your decision, let us know what you decide!
Can we drop this argument? I'm sure I speak for many when I say I'm sick of hearing about Harvard and the meaning of match lists.
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😕 They send more students there than to any other hospital system? Not that hard to accept.
No, you're wrong. Who sends 1/3 of their class to Harvard affiliated hospitals other than Harvard? It's a small list, if it extends past Yale and Harvard. You're also wrong on the plurality part, if 14 went to YNHH and 32 went to HMS affiliates, I'd be very surprised if HMS wasn't the plurality.
Mdeast was just stating a fact (although HMS is the plurality, minor detail).
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