2012-2013 University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences Application Thread

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Would absolutely love to go to UAMS. I'm OOS, residence is CA. it was gorgeous. grandmother uncle and aunts lived over in arkansas for ~15years so i have been over there on different occasions throughout my childhood before they moved to Virginia 3.5 years ago. dad had a chance to do a consulting there 2 years back, that was the last time i been over there.

32L and 3.68o/3.64s - strong ECs especially in research and clinical experience. Really really hoping I will have a chance to be invited for an interview here as an OOS. :xf:
 
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Sorry for the back to back post. I already know I am on the later spectrum of the applicants here, but is there a guideline on how the "strong ties to Arkansas" letter should be written? i.e. How long can the letter be be (word/character limit etc.)?'

I'm drafting my letter at the moment and hoping to send tomorrow.
Basically, my ties are as mentioned above in the previous post: I have had family living in Arkansas for quite some time and I've been to the state many of times staying with cousins for the summer or visiting family during holidays.

Anywho, UAMS is one of my top choices and I really want to go here and would appreciate some feedback on drafting the letter.

Many thanks in advance!! 🙂

edit: guess this thread is dead! =(
 
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Yeah it's pretty dead. I'd offer some advice, but I am an Arkansas native. I've got no idea on anything having to do with that letter.
 
For the strong ties letter, the committee is looking for reasons you're likely to practice in Arkansas after you graduate. You may have absolutely no intention of doing so right now, but they know if there are things you like about the state and reasons for you to stay here, you may end up choosing to start a career here. So, the family stuff is always good, as are any happy stories about the state and why you would love to be here forever.

I'm surprised no one commented this week, but the second batch of in-state interviews is tomorrow morning. Good luck to everyone interviewing in the morning, and I'll see you there at registration (or for a lucky few, tours 😀)!
-Matt
 
Anyone have an idea in terms of the date that early acceptances come out in December?
 
Think one of the PDF docs online about the admissions process says that it's around the 20th for December, January, and February accepts.
 
Usually mid-month. Last year, it was right on Dec 15, Jan 15, Feb 15th. Figure in transit times for the mail and you'll probably hear within a few days of those dates.
 
Hello!

Applied back in September and having heard anything about an interview yet 🙁

I have a 3.89 GPA and a 31Q MCAT with a master's degree. I am out of state but I do have lots of family in Arkansas and pretty much every one in my immediate family has a degree from Arkansas so I'd hate to be the black spot on a perfect score!

Anyways, lots of shadowing/volunteering and research experience. So should I contact admissions to make sure that my app is ok?

This med school application stuff is really stressful! :scared:

Thanks!
 
You can always contact Ms. Dupuy about any questions you might have. In state interviews are held pretty late in the cycle, as UAMS is bound legally to recruit a certain % of students from in-state. This leads to a heavily in-state oriented student group. Good luck!
 
ChemicalKat - UAMS traditionally sends emails by/around late December to let OOS's know if they'll be invited for an interview in early January. I wouldn't get worried yet. I'm sure you're fine. 🙂
 
It is good to have strong ties, you're certainly right about that, but it isn't the end-all/be-all for OOS admissions at UAMS like it is at a lot of other public med schools like the other poster may have thought. UAMS considers it, I am sure they prefer it (they want good doctors to practice in Arkansas), but most of the OOS admitted students each year aren't close-ties candidates from what I've seen. Good scores and GPA are key to getting invited to interview, or if those are just average, a good "story" (something really unique or special about the student, or an exceptional CV) has also earned people invites to interview. The other thing you brought up that's pretty important is that a lot of the OOS applicants that are eventually accepted and attend here are wait-listed first. So if you get a wait-list and have decided UAMS is where you'd like to go, keep your fingers crossed because there will be a good group of the wait-listers getting in eventually.

-Matt

Thanks for the tons of info.

I have a few questions. Do you know typically when II go out for OOS?

Some more stupid questions. 😀 Are there are parts in Arkansas that are underserved and is UAMS big on help those communities out?
 
Thanks for the tons of info.

I have a few questions. Do you know typically when II go out for OOS?
December. I have expressed my opinion in the past that this is too late to send out invites for interviews that occur in January (last minute flights, particularly to a city as small as Little Rock, can be pricey), but apparently they have to have some feel for what the IS rounds are looking like before they can send out invites I believe. I don't remember the exact reason for the late timing, but it's not something that's totally in their control.

Some more stupid questions. 😀 Are there are parts in Arkansas that are underserved and is UAMS big on help those communities out?
Most of the state is technically considered underserved. There are a few specific cities that aren't realistically under-served, but if I remember correctly, every county except for Pulaski County (where Little Rock is located) is considered a medically under-served area, even if some cities in that county aren't. The AHEC program is one of the ways UAMS reaches out to the state as a whole, and if you wanted to impress an interviewer about your commitment to practicing in an under-served area, mentioning the AHEC program and what you find appealing about it could be a good idea. Some interviewers will know more/care more about it than others of course, but if they do care it would certainly demonstrate that you've done your research on UAMS and are taking their mission seriously. Link: http://ruralhealth.uams.edu/

They also have done a big push and received a large grant for fiber optic broad band to all kinds of rural communities in Arkansas to allow for strong UAMS telemedicine in those areas, and they sponsor all kinds of rural health programs and education events. UAMS is unofficially and at times officially tasked with improving the entire state's quality of healthcare, so they are pretty good at outreach.

Hope that helps a little.
-Matt
 
Another question:

What's it like living in Little Rock? I have family that lives an hour away but I've never been there for an extended period of time and I was too young to remember most of it.
 
I live off Cantrell in West Little Rock in a nice apartment complex. Rent's kinda steep at this place, but the cost of living is definitely lower than almost any other urban (if you can call Little Rock urban) area. Gas is cheaper, food is cheaper, utilities are cheap, and rent isn't bad at all - there are pretty nice 2 bed 1.5 bath available for ~650 in the nice parts of town ~15 minutes from UAMS. Lots of stuff to do outside if you're into that, but not much of a local music scene. The bars near the Rivermarket can be fun, and there are a couple of REALLY nice movie theaters (I'm on the way to see Lincoln shortly actually). I really enjoy Pinnacle Mountain, Two Rivers Park, and, though it's small, the Little Rock Zoo.

It gets -very- hot during the summer and pretty cold in the middle of the winter. Little to no snow.

Traffic isn't terrible as long as you stay off the highways during rush hours. Even then, it's usually tolerable by 8:30 AM and 6 PM and clear most of the day. There is no public transportation system to speak of, but the population is not too big for the city's roads.

One thing I don't like about Little Rock is the lack of professional sports teams. The only big team to really cheer for is UofA Razorbacks, and if you've followed college football at all this year, you know it's a rough time to be a Hogs fan 😉

The food is surprisingly good. There's a few great pizza places in town (Damgoode Pies and Vino's come to mind), and there are a few great steak places (Riverfront Steakhouse being my favorite). There's plenty of choices to choose from, and we have most chains.

Depending on where you're at in Little Rock, it's pretty safe. The area directly surrounding UAMS is a little shady, but over in WLR where I'm at, things seem plenty safe. Southwest Little Rock gets pretty hairy though.. my dad worked over there when I was growing up and his shop was broken into at least once a month. I guess the same things apply as in any other city in the delta - there are some bad spots, and don't go walking solo in the dark in secluded areas.

There are nearby lakes, small mountains within 1.5 hours driving (although Pinnacle is like 20 minutes), and forests everywhere. I'm one of those people that actually like Arkansas. I feel like it has just about everything short of snow skiing and beaches.

I've lived around Little Rock my entire life (and I really enjoy it), so if you've got more specific questions other than what I've already said, I'd be happy to answer 🙂
 
I live off Cantrell in West Little Rock in a nice apartment complex. Rent's kinda steep at this place, but the cost of living is definitely lower than almost any other urban (if you can call Little Rock urban) area. Gas is cheaper, food is cheaper, utilities are cheap, and rent isn't bad at all - there are pretty nice 2 bed 1.5 bath available for ~650 in the nice parts of town ~15 minutes from UAMS. Lots of stuff to do outside if you're into that, but not much of a local music scene. The bars near the Rivermarket can be fun, and there are a couple of REALLY nice movie theaters (I'm on the way to see Lincoln shortly actually). I really enjoy Pinnacle Mountain, Two Rivers Park, and, though it's small, the Little Rock Zoo.

It gets -very- hot during the summer and pretty cold in the middle of the winter. Little to no snow.

Traffic isn't terrible as long as you stay off the highways during rush hours. Even then, it's usually tolerable by 8:30 AM and 6 PM and clear most of the day. There is no public transportation system to speak of, but the population is not too big for the city's roads.

One thing I don't like about Little Rock is the lack of professional sports teams. The only big team to really cheer for is UofA Razorbacks, and if you've followed college football at all this year, you know it's a rough time to be a Hogs fan 😉

The food is surprisingly good. There's a few great pizza places in town (Damgoode Pies and Vino's come to mind), and there are a few great steak places (Riverfront Steakhouse being my favorite). There's plenty of choices to choose from, and we have most chains.

Depending on where you're at in Little Rock, it's pretty safe. The area directly surrounding UAMS is a little shady, but over in WLR where I'm at, things seem plenty safe. Southwest Little Rock gets pretty hairy though.. my dad worked over there when I was growing up and his shop was broken into at least once a month. I guess the same things apply as in any other city in the delta - there are some bad spots, and don't go walking solo in the dark in secluded areas.

There are nearby lakes, small mountains within 1.5 hours driving (although Pinnacle is like 20 minutes), and forests everywhere. I'm one of those people that actually like Arkansas. I feel like it has just about everything short of snow skiing and beaches.

I've lived around Little Rock my entire life (and I really enjoy it), so if you've got more specific questions other than what I've already said, I'd be happy to answer 🙂

Going to echo what Bamfu said - the outdoors is amazing in Arkansas - especially the area surrounding LR in my opinion. Despite being an urban center, you get things like Pinnacle which are just 20 minutes away. I'm currently living in New Orleans, and although I like it for the most part, I miss Little Rock for this reason. I think here I'd have to drive for probably like an hour to get somewhere that secluded.

Damgoode Pies and Vino's are also two of my favorites... The Root is a great local cafe not too far from Arkansas Children's Hospital that gets a lot of their stuff fresh from the Dunbar Community Garden. My absolute favorite restaurant has to go to The House though - which is actually just a few blocks from UAMS. Really cool beer selection, great food, and an awesome new burger menu they're actually rolling out this week. I honestly can't wait to be back in Arkansas in a few weeks to try out their new menu, and of course, go hiking. 🙂
 
A couple of my friends applying to dental school just found out today they got in and it had renewed my interest in finding out about med school. Is the consensus that the first possible information will be Dec 20th? Do they send a letter, call, email?
 
Dec 20 sounds about right. I was told by UAMS staff that the first adcom committee is Dec 14. Not many acceptances at all go out from this December meeting.
 
I'll give another spin on life in Little Rock. I was born and raised in Kansas City, so that's kind of my baseline for comparison. Overall, I would say that LR is not really that great of a place to live but has been improving noticeably in the past few years.

In general, things in Little Rock have very little character. Yeah, there's the trendy, hipster-ish shops and bars in Hillcrest and The Heights, but most of them are just clones of each other. Downtown is also pretty nondescript. Outside of that, it's mostly ranch houses and strip malls as far as the eye can see. Unfortunately, that homogeneity describes the populace fairly well, too. It's devout white Southern Baptists all day long and everything that comes with. I was alarmed to discover that many of my classmates were at least a little racist and homophobic. There are sprinkles of diversity, but you have to look pretty hard to find them. People in LR are often nice, but it's nice in that superficial stab-you-in-the-back-later fashion that seems prevalent in the south. Basically, if you don't fit the mold, things will be a little more difficult for you. I suppose it isn't a coincidence that most of my friends were other out-of-staters.

Okay, so those are the main negatives of living in LR. The main benefit that I can see is that the cost of living is ridiculously low. I shared a nice ~2500 sq ft house with a fenced yard, garage, and 2 driveways that cost us roughly 500/month each, including utilities, and that was fairly expensive by local standards. As noted above, food and other necessities are similarly inexpensive. You will be able to live quite well off your cost of living loan allowance.

I'm a food guy, so finding good eats was a priority for me. First, the good news: there are a few really amazing places to grub around town. In particular, the Mexican food is awesome. The bad news: those are the only good places in town. For instance, there's a pretty good Vietnamese place right in the middle of the city but no other decent ones at all. Same goes for Thai and Chinese food. There just usually aren't many good options. However, the Indian food options are pretty strong. I disagree with the above regarding The House; they used to have excellent food but restructured their menu about 2 years ago and started serving hardtack and swill. If they're bringing back the old stuff, I'd be thrilled, for the space is a great one. Restaurant-wise, here are a few I'd recommend:

Italian: Capeo (NLR). Don't bother with the rest
Indian: Banana Leaf (food truck right down the street from UAMS), Taj Mahal (off of Rodney Parham), Taste of India (McCain Mall)
Viet: Thanh My (Markahm and Shackleford)
Mexican: Del Campo a la Ciudad (grocery store on the corner of 65th and University), Taqueria Jalisco San Juan (truck in parking lot of Colonial Liquor on Shackleford)
Thai: Chang (in Sherwood but well worth the drive)
Chinese: Mr. Chen's (University and Asher)
Mediterranean: Layla's (Rodeny Parham. Not fabulous but good enough)
Sandwiches: Argenta Market (NLR)
Pizza: Damgoode (Hillcrest - freaking awesome pizza), Vino's (edge of Downtown)
Burgers: David's (Markham and Bowman), Big Orange (the mall way on Chenal in WLR). It'd be awesome if The House returned to its old form.


Places I absolutely do not recommend that other people seem to enjoy:
US Pizza. Terrible pizza, mediocre sandwiches, high prices. They buy in their food, and you can literally get the exact same pizza in the UAMS hospital for half the price. Never, ever go here if you can avoid it.
Ferneau (or 21 or whatever it's called now). Decent food but outrageous prices.
Ciao Baci: God awful Italian food, astonishingly high drink prices for terrible drinks. You can't charge $7.50 for a Popov and tonic in Little Rock, guys. Beers are priced better, admittedly, but $3.50 for a bottle of Bud Light is still pretty damn bad.
B-sides: Ridiculously bad service, long wait times, and average food.
Leo's: Gross, relatively expensive Greek food. Long waits here, too
Canon Grill: Hands down the worst tex-mex I've ever had, and it ain't cheap, either.
Star of India: Worst Indian food ever. Before I met her, this was my girlfriend's only experience with Indian food, and she thought she just hated the food in general. It's now her favorite ethnic food.

Next up, night life. Despite how it may seem, you'll have plenty of time to go out and let down a bit. Unfortunately, Little Rock's night scene is abysmal. There are a grand total of 3 places open late at night, and most of the bars take advantage of the fact that there isn't much else around and charge accordingly. The late-night venues, Salut, Midtown, and Discovery (a.k.a. "Disco") are mediocre at best, but it's all LR has. All charge a cover and are slammed after bar hours (2 officially but often earlier). Disco is basically a gay club kind of off the beaten path, and they require you to drop a cool $18 bucks just to walk in the door. It's fairly bare-bones and in a crappy old barely-converted warehouse. They'd be laughed out of business in any other city. Midtown and Salut are renowned for their food, but it's really just regular bar fare. Being the only non-IHOP, non-Waffle House joint in town serving food later than 10 PM has its perks. Several of the more popular bars, most notably Ciao Baci, Ferneau/21, and Diversions are just awful. Bad douche-heavy crowds, expensive drinks, tons of people to fight through, bad service (especially at Diversions). Downtown is small and has fairly few options, some of which are of the piano bar type which is an instant no-go for me.

Okay, that's the negative stuff. The good part is that there's hope yet. The Fountain in Hillcrest is a great little neighborhood place. It can get annoyingly crowded on weekend nights, but any other time, you'll find that the same local regulars gather there in relative peace. The bartenders are all friendly and will single you out of the crowd for drinks once they know you. The Rev Room and Juanita's are both cool venues that get some impressive acts. I saw Orgy, The Wailers, Crystal Method, Lacuna Coil, and several others during my time there. There are also a few other townie bars around that offer good drinks for reasonable prices and good company. I also have a soft spot for Cajun's, a place sort of near Disco down by the River. It's an amazing venue with average drinks and a much different crowd than what you'll see downtown or in Hillcrest. All is not lost, but you have to look pretty hard for good places to go.

Little Rock lends itself well to outdoors activities. Pinnacle is a cool place, and the Ozarks are about an hour and a half away. If you like hiking, camping, climbing, canoeing, etc., Little Rock is a great place for you to be. The city also has quite a few nice parks and trails to explore. You'll be quite pleased with the options.

I agree with the above assessment of the city's safety. I guess people aren't used to not being able to leave valuables in plain sight, but it always seems to surprise people when their windows get smashed and their iPods stolen from the passenger seat. You're living in a city. You can't do that ****. You'll hear lots of reports about LR being dangerous, but that usually consists of a robbery every few weeks. It is not at all a dangerous place to live unless you stray southeast of 630. Then it gets dicey.

Weather in LR is probably how you'd expect. It's crazy hot in the summer and gets down to the 40s in winter. Occasionally it'll get cold enough to snow, and god help you if it does. The entire damn city shuts down when there's an inch of slush on the ground, and the already awful drivers piss themselves in fear. Seriously, just don't go out when winter weather hits. It's dangerous, and there's nowhere to go, anyway.

That brings me to a(nother) pet peeve of mine: the traffic in LR is way worse than it should be. People drive slowly and unpredictably and create a lot of very difficult, dangerous situations. One thing you'll find happening very often is that people looking to turn across/onto the street you're on will edge the nose of their car into your lane like it's no big deal, essentially blocking it. Obviously, that gets ****ing treacherous when there's someone driving in the lane next to you. You'll also find people on highways and roads driving a solid 10 MPH below the speed limit for no real reason. All it takes is 2 of those people cruising next to each other to demolish traffic flow, and you'll find that practice is the rule, not the exception. If there's any sort of inclement weather, you throw caution to the wind by going out on LR streets. It's like precipitation flips an idiot switch in everyone in the city. As noted above, nobody there can drive in winter weather. Seriously, be careful.

Clearly, I have a lot of negative things to say about the city. To paraphrase one of my good friends, it's a town with all the bad parts of small towns and large cities but few of the good ones. That said, it is definitely getting better fast. I noticed a huge improvement over my time there. If nothing else, you can just carve out your own little niche and live cheaply and happily for 4 years. It worked for me.
 
There are sprinkles of diversity, but you have to look pretty hard to find them. People in LR are often nice, but it's nice in that superficial stab-you-in-the-back-later fashion that seems prevalent in the south.

Oh Gosh. I've never heard a more accurate description. :laugh:
 
My take on Little Rock is very different than Alex's.

Overall, Little Rock is a pretty nice small southern city. It's about a decade behind the revitalization curve that a lot of larger cities in this part of the country have been experiencing, but has been making a lot of progress in the past several years (particularly in the downtown area, which has seen a lot of recent development and has some big projects underway right now as well). From what I've experienced, Little Rock is a pretty hospitable place overall and most people are friendly. The population is about half white, and the rest is mostly african american, but most neighborhoods seem to be pretty monochromatic. The cost of living is pretty low overall. Some places (downtown, Hillcrest) have a bit higher rent than most of the city, but nowhere is unreasonable. The scenery and outdoor activities in the area are excellent. There's an extensive bike/running trail and park network along the river and they get an impressive amount of use. The riverfront park downtown by the River Market is one of my favorites and has some nice sculptures and a wetlands park which is pretty cool. Downtown itself is pretty nice overall and a good place to rent if you want the loft/condo style living, but the options are priced too high for the size of the city and the quality of the apartments, IMO. The River Market area is a nice place to grab a bite to eat or have a drink, but is relatively small. Luckily more areas of downtown are developing and new options seem to be popping up. Hillcrest and the Heights are nice areas and have a small town/village feel in the middle of the city. They're close to UAMS and Hillcrest is very popular among UAMS students and young professionals. West Little Rock is as bland and sprawly as any other city and I have a general distaste for it due to that, but it's a nice area overall. Retail options are about average for a city the size of Little Rock, and unless you're used to a large city's options, you won't have any complaints. Entertainment is a bit disappointing in some ways. Music/concert options seem good, dining options are strong, but nightlife is limited to a couple areas of town and there are too few options for a city this size. There are a number of nice small museums to visit in town, and the presidential library is worth a visit. The zoo is small and has clearly been running on a shoestring budget for a long time, but is very clean and well maintained for an older zoo. The art museum is small and not terribly impressive, but at least it's free. The symphony is also small but the community seems to support it well and tickets are dirt cheap for UAMS students. The Rep puts on some good productions and also offers good deals to UAMS students from time to time. Crime in Little Rock is something that is frequently talked about but also very dependent on the part of town you wander into. There are very few reasons to go south of I-630, and a lot of the violent crime is in that half of the city. Property crime is everywhere, but with normal city precautions you'll probably be fine.

Anyway, that's a lot of rambling about the city and I'm sure it was hard to follow, but hopefully there was something helpful in there. I'm a bit tired so the brain isn't firing on all cylinders right now.

Good luck to those interviewing soon and the OOSers waiting on invites. If you've got any questions hit me up and I'll try to respond.
-Matt
 
Good stuff guys thanks! It doesn't take much to keep me happy. Just good food and maybe a good place to get a beer.

How does the satellite campus in Fayetville work?

I've got my fingers crossed! I would snatch up an invite in an instant!
 
I posted something very similar to this last year on the subject of the NW Campus:

As far as who ends up at the NW Campus, it is a volunteer type thing with a possible random "lottery" style selection for remaining spots if there aren't enough volunteers. To date no one has ever been forced to go, there have been enough willing volunteers. There was some mild drama with the current M4 group where a selection was done but then people stepped forward that were "on the fence" and had made decisions to take their spots. It was an unnecessary mess and in response to that they moved up the volunteer timeline so people have more resources and time to think about going to NWA. You'll have the opportunity to tour their campus, talk to their students and faculty, etc. about it well before a decision is required of you. Our class had more volunteers than spots as does the class below us, but I think that's just because they moved the sign-up date really far forward.

So what's it actually like? Well, not being up there I'm limited to second hand information, so here's what I've heard from students up there and administration here about it:
-You get more one on one time with faculty physicians and patients since there are fewer students and very few residents in NWA. This is good in some ways, and bad in others. It sounds like it's all good until you get to be a 3rd year and realize that knowing residents can be helpful and residents tend to be the best teachers, having other students around can be nice, residency directors aren't in Fayetteville, and learning skills in your third year is nice but less important to residency directors than your overall exposure and knowledge base... So it's a mixed bag on that front.
- Like Little Rock, you rotate through multiple hospitals (Fayetteville has a pretty nice, new hospital plus a VA hospital, Rogers has a brand new hospital, and Springdale has a bit older but reasonably nice hospital) and regional clinics, but they are much more spread out so you will spend more time commuting. The hospitals are generally smaller than the ones you rotate through in Little Rock and there is no children's hospital, but the facilities are still nice. Keep in mind NW Campus is community based hospitals and not academic medicine.
-The curriculum doesn't work in the same blocks as the main campus does, which means you'll not really have "easy" months and "hard" months, but a relatively consistent 3rd year overall. I don't know much about how the curriculum works exactly or have heard much about 4th year, but you'll hear more about that process during your 1st year. The pros I've heard is that it helps you do well on boards since everything runs consecutively and you learn it all together in an integrated fashion. The big con is it gives a totally unrealistic view of a specialty since it's a lot easier to enjoy something when you do it one day a week than it is when you do it for 6-8 weeks solid.
-Primary care leaning people seem to love it. It makes sense really, you get a bit more relaxed setting and a lot more time getting to know doctors and interacting with individual patients from what I hear. The downside is that you'll see far fewer unusual cases than you do at UAMS. NWA is decent sized but very suburban and just doesn't have the super-specialty kind of faculty and facilities UAMS does in Little Rock so the crazy zebra cases are going to end up in Little Rock most likely. If you have a thing for gunshot wounds or big time trauma, you're probably going to be a bit bored in NWA overall too since that is UAMS's domain.

Hope that helps a little. I strongly considered going to the NW Campus and decided against it in the end, but it could be a good experience for certain students. I think the pros/cons are difficult to balance for you right now, and depending on the specialty a student might be interested in matching into NW Campus could be a very poor choice (the more specialized your area of interest, the worse choice the NW Campus would be, essentially), but for most primary care fields I hear good things. I'm happy to answer more questions about it from what I know right now, but you'll hear a lot about the NW Campus throughout your M1 and M2 year as people make decisions.

-Matt
 
Do you make the decision during your M1? What if you don't have a particular field in mind during your M1?

Side note: just got my rejection letter from my state school. All hope resides in Arkansas! Engage panic mode!
 
Just got an email saying they'll be making their OOS interview decisions by Dec. 21st. Do all OOSers get this?

I really like how they go about IIs for OOSers. At least they let you know relatively quickly.
 
Just got an email saying they'll be making their OOS interview decisions by Dec. 21st. Do all OOSers get this?

I really like how they go about IIs for OOSers. At least they let you know relatively quickly.

I got one too. Love the fact that Arkansas keeps you informed on things like this. Fingers crossed!
 
I got one too. Love the fact that Arkansas keeps you informed on things like this. Fingers crossed!

Yeah, Linda DuPuy is awesome. Looking forward to the next 2 weeks. OOS state here as well.
 
I like that summary of the NWA campus Matt posted. Just to be clear, if you're looking to do something competitive (or go to a competitive program), you don't want to be in NWA. You want to be in Little Rock where the more well-known (and thus powerful) physicians are so you can get strong rec letters. You're also not going to be able to tailor your experiences to what you're interested in quite as well if you go to NWA, either
 
The director of the NW campus came to talk to us during the first 3 weeks of class or so to tell us about the program and get people to sign up. Our class (current M1s) filled up the required number of people willing to go pretty quickly. A lot of my class went to Fayetteville for undergrad, or have family up there, or are from there, so it wasn't a huge problem to get enough people to go.
 
The director of the NW campus came to talk to us during the first 3 weeks of class or so to tell us about the program and get people to sign up. Our class (current M1s) filled up the required number of people willing to go pretty quickly. A lot of my class went to Fayetteville for undergrad, or have family up there, or are from there, so it wasn't a huge problem to get enough people to go.

There are also going to be a number of people in your class change their minds before the time comes to leave for NW. The initial assumption about the NW campus was that since a lot of the UAMS class traditionally comes from the University of Arkansas that a lot of people would be eager to go back, but according to what they've said that has not proven accurate overall. (As in, it's not the Fayetteville undergrads going back in full force as expected when the time finally comes.) As an M1 you tend to have really fond memories of Fayetteville and would be happy to return, but wanting to live in Fayetteville is not a good enough reason to go to the NW campus, and most people realize that closer to 3rd year. That said, Dr. Smith is a nice guy and very willing to talk to students about the NW Campus if they have questions, and the students currently up there are a great group and would be willing to offer their insights (if asked) as well.


Also- Good luck to the last batch of in-state interviewees tomorrow! (Well, later today.) I'll see you there in a few hours.
-Matt
 
I'm not 100% sure where I remember hearing this... but someone said with regards to the NWA campus that some people who actually wanted to do competitive specialties preferred this because they had more responsibilities, got to assist on more surgeries, etc. Can any of you guys who are students comment on that? Though that might be true, as pointed out, the more well-known physicians wouldn't be the ones writing your rec letters. And definitely not many zebra cases.
 
I'm not 100% sure where I remember hearing this... but someone said with regards to the NWA campus that some people who actually wanted to do competitive specialties preferred this because they had more responsibilities, got to assist on more surgeries, etc. Can any of you guys who are students comment on that? Though that might be true, as pointed out, the more well-known physicians wouldn't be the ones writing your rec letters. And definitely not many zebra cases.

I have never heard someone going up there say that, but it's not a good justification for going if that's the only reason. I know of one person up there right now who is headed into a competitive specialty, but their GPA, Step, and general personality will carry them into that regardless of which campus they went to for 3rd and 4th year. What I tried to mention earlier and probably didn't explain well is that having more responsibilities and assisting on more surgeries sounds nice as a 3rd year, but it's totally irrelevant when it comes to matching into something competitive. There are residency directors at the main UAMS campus in competitive fields that will flat out tell you not to go to the NW Campus because it lacks the knowledge base, exposure, and variety of the main campus. To quote a residency director that talked to a friend about the NW Campus a couple weeks ago "I don't care if you know skills. Residency is for teaching you skills. I care that you see enough and know enough in your third and fourth years that I'm not reteaching you how to put together a comprehensive differential." Medical school is for learning knowledge, not how to do a surgery. If learning surgical skills earlier comes at the expense of seeing rare cases or learning from the residents, you haven't gained anything in the long run at all. It was that director's viewpoint that the NW Campus lets you do a lot more but teaches you a lot less. I don't necessarily agree with that, but his mindset is not unique, and it's probably the majority viewpoint among the directors of the more competitive programs right now. And this is still within UAMS overall, which is more familiar with the branch campus than outside institutions that won't have ever heard of it or the faculty you're working with up there.

It is also important (in my opinion) to consider that there are no residency programs other than Family Medicine that have positions in NW Arkansas. You won't see what a residency is really like, you won't know which programs run their residents into the ground and which groups actually seem to enjoy what they're doing, and you won't ever see what the super specialized programs do because they don't exist up there.

I'm really not intending to sound negative about the NW Campus, I think the community based campuses are a cool idea for some people and some specialties that are more suited to that environment... But unless you've got a 4.0 and knock Step all the way out of the park, I would strongly advise against going to the NW Campus if you're aiming for a really competitive specialty or residency. Actually, I'd advise against it regardless of how well you do academically, simply because you won't have a realistic view and exposure to what the specialties are like and how the residencies are. You would put yourself at a disadvantage in regards to faculty relationships, exposure/variety, and overall view of residency programs from the beginning of third year, and you simply won't catch up with those that didn't start at the same disadvantage.

-Matt
 
Question:

What are my chances of early acceptance in December? I'm a arkadelphia resident with a 3.7 GPA and 33Q on MCAT. The one catch is that I had my interview on the 8th. I'm not assuming I am going to get in. But, I'm just trying to deal with my mailbox anxiety a little I suppose.

Thanks,
Joe
 
I'd expect to continue to wait until mid-January before you start getting your hopes up for a big envelope. It could come earlier, or it could come in February, but I think you missed the window for a december admit.
 
Best advice about mailing dates (and also the hardest to follow): Expect nothing until February. If you get something before then, crack open the champagne. Otherwise, just assume you won't hear one way or another until February and then you only have to freak out for about a week instead of a week each month.

-Matt
 
Thanks for the quick reply Matt and Louie. Gonna take a chill pill in your honor.

-Joe
 
Got my II! Super excited!

What should I expect at this dinner thing on Friday with the current students? I assume that this isn't technically part of the interview?
 
Yay! Got a January interview OOS. So strange being considered OOS when I consider this home 🙂
 
Got my II! Super excited!

What should I expect at this dinner thing on Friday with the current students? I assume that this isn't technically part of the interview?

It's off the books. It's an opportunity for you to get to meet some current students and faculty, ask all your burning questions about UAMS prior to the interview, and get a feel for what the area and people are like here. For many OOS interviewees, this is their first visit to Little Rock (or Arkansas for that matter) so the evening reception is meant to be a way for them to learn about the area since they're only here a very limited amount of time. You don't have to worry about being on your game or it being considered in the admissions process in any way, it is meant to be a totally relaxed atmosphere for you and I recommend you take the opportunity to ask the students and faculty questions and meet some of your potential future classmates.

-Matt
 
Any particular interview questions I should prepare for or expect? Or are they "classified"?

Is it a group interview? One on one interview? Both? How long are the interviews?

I had one interview earlier this year in the cadaver room, anything crazy like that?
 
On Facebook today I saw someone who is going to Hendrix who said they got a letter of acceptance from UAMS today. Nothing in my mailbox... I'm at the edge of the state so here is to hoping it will be in the mail tomorrow! 🙄
 
How did your Hendrix buddy do on MCAT if you are free to share that information? Matt has great advice (don't expect anything until February), but that's so difficult 😉
 
Any OOS received a confirmation e-mail from Linda regarding interview invites?
 
Anyone have any thoughts about UAMS and update letters? I've generally heard mixed opinions about sending them in general, but I think that's because most schools are rolling and people send them too early in the admissions process...? I know January 15 is the deadline for all application documentation to be received at UAMS.
 
Does anyone know about the curriculum? Is it pass fail or graded? Thanks!
 
Anyone have any thoughts about UAMS and update letters? I've generally heard mixed opinions about sending them in general, but I think that's because most schools are rolling and people send them too early in the admissions process...? I know January 15 is the deadline for all application documentation to be received at UAMS.

I sent a ton when I was on the alternate list last year and obviously it did no good.
 
Does anyone know about the curriculum? Is it pass fail or graded? Thanks!
One of my classmates told me before our break that they recently made a change to Honors/Pass/Fail which will be implemented in the coming years. I don't think we've gotten official word from the higherups yet, but it makes sense that it'll happen.
 
I'm not sure when it was updated, but the UAMS.edu CoM site had some important dates.

December 14, 2012
Admissions Committee meets to determine which
non- Arkansas residents will be invited to be
interviewed in January and reviewed in February.

December 17, 2012
Letters to early accepts for Arkansas residents.

January 15, 2013
ALL application documentation must be received at
UAMS for ALL applicants.

January 23, 2013
Letters to early accepts for Arkansas residents.

February 20, 2013
Letters mailed to all applicants informing them of their
admissions status: Accepted, Alternate List or
Not Accepted.

source: http://www.uams.edu/com/comcat/
 
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