2014-2015 Southern Illinois University Application Thread

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Hi everyone! I'm just finishing up M1 at SIU and am happy to answer any questions you may have about the school.

The previous threads contain a good deal of information and may answer many questions you have. Here are links to threads from the last few cycles:

2011-2012
2012-2013
2013-2014

Good luck!
 
Hi everyone! I'm just finishing up M1 at SIU and am happy to answer any questions you may have about the school.

The previous threads contain a good deal of information and may answer many questions you have. Here are links to threads from the last few cycles:

2011-2012
2012-2013
2013-2014

Good luck!
Does this school only accept people from rural illinois? I had numbers that were well above the school average and was not even given a secondary. I have many other friends that applied and are from the chicagoland area like myself that didn't even get a secondary.
 
This is one of the most common misconceptions about SIU. Here's a map I made of students in my class. I posted it to the 2013-2014 thread.

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White: 1 students from that area
Light green: 2-3 students from that area
Green: 4-6 students from that area
Dark green: 7-10 students from that area

According to the map, ~10% of our class is from the chicagoland area. 70% is from Springfield (mid-state) or father north. There are plenty of students from rural areas, but a good number of us are from Chicago, Quad Cities, Peoria, Stl metro area etc.
 
That's reassuring, I am also applying here but I'm in Chicago. Thanks!
 
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This is one of the most common misconceptions about SIU. Here's a map I made of students in my class. I posted it to the 2013-2014 thread.

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White: 1 students from that area
Light green: 2-3 students from that area
Green: 4-6 students from that area
Dark green: 7-10 students from that area

According to the map, ~10% of our class is from the chicagoland area. 70% is from Springfield (mid-state) or father north. There are plenty of students from rural areas, but a good number of us are from Chicago, Quad Cities, Peoria, Stl metro area etc.

10% of the class being from the Chicagoland area seems like SIU has a very strong preference for people not from Chicago.
 
10% of the class being from the Chicagoland area seems like SIU has a very strong preference for people not from Chicago.

Not necessarily. We don't have data on how many people from Chicago applied vs elsewhere. I would say there's not an obvious preference for Chicago applicants, but if you look at the map it's pretty evenly spread out. The bottom line is fulfilling the mission of the school. If you think you can do that it doesn't really matter where you're from IMO.


MD Class of 2017
 
Not necessarily. We don't have data on how many people from Chicago applied vs elsewhere. I would say there's not an obvious preference for Chicago applicants, but if you look at the map it's pretty evenly spread out. The bottom line is fulfilling the mission of the school. If you think you can do that it doesn't really matter where you're from IMO.


MD Class of 2017
You just have to look at the numbers. The population of Chicago alone is 3+ million, which doesn't even include all the suburbs. This about 1/4 of the state. I am sure there were many applicants from Chicago compared to any other area in Illinois. The fact that everyone I know that applied to SIU and is from the Chicagoland area didn't even receive a secondary when they met all the pre-reqs and had numbers well above the school's average suggests that there is a preference for applicants outside of Chicago.
 
Well that basically answers the question I was going to ask. I think I will wait for my MCAT score before I decide if I am applying to this school. I'm from a suburb about 2o miles out of Chicago, and I am not a URM.
 
Hi everyone! I'm just finishing up M1 at SIU and am happy to answer any questions you may have about the school.

The previous threads contain a good deal of information and may answer many questions you have. Here are links to threads from the last few cycles:

2011-2012
2012-2013
2013-2014

Good luck!

Thank you for taking your time to help future students understand more about the school. I am from Southern Illinois and very interested in the School. I have a few questions:
1. How do you feel about the PBL curriculum? Can you tell me in a little bit more detail about how it is organized, especially at SIU. How much information you retain by doing it the PBL way compared to traditional lecture way? Do you have significant lab time for Anatomy and such...?
2. SIU highly emphasizes the clinical learning within a few weeks of starting M1. Does it mean patient contact starts immediately in M1? How much clinical skills do you learn in M1?
3. Can you tell me a little bit about the school environment in general. Are the students happy? Are the faculty engaging and willing to help.
4. How about research opportunity and the potential of getting into competitive residency down the road.
5. What about student life? do most students live in dorm, commute, or rent apartments...? What is the cheapest way to live in Carbondale, and potentially Springfield. Because if I go to SIU, I will have to maintain 2 residences due to SO living further down in Southern IL.

Again, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate people like you who are willing to spend their valuable time to help other people
 
No worries, I'm happy to help. I could probably write a short book on this but I'll try to limit it to a few medium-sized wall of text...

1. Organization: you meet with 4-7 other students and a professor 3x3hrs/week (usually MWF 8AM-11AM). For CRR (first unit) you do about 1 case/week. For each case you get a "patient" with pre-written symptoms, labs, imaging, etc loaded onto the computer. You get a patient age, setting (family office, ER, etc) and chief complaint (vomiting, chest pain) to start the case and have to come in on Monday with a list of differential diagnoses. You explain why it could be XYZ, what tests you'd run to figure it out, etc. Then you take a history on the patient by asking questions on the computer. The patient will give you answers as if they were a real patient. It's quite accurate actually, I've heard things from real patients this year and been like "wow, that sounds exactly like one of our cases." From here you narrow down your Ddx list, and figure out what you need to go learn more about before you run labs (if it sounds like an MI, learn about heart anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, cardiac markers... if it's a PFO learn about heart embryology, shunting, cyanosis, normal blood gases, etc). Then you come back and discuss the learning issues with the group and the professor basically fact-checks you (some do this more than others) to make sure you know the material well. At the end of the case you read a progress report and see how the doctors actually treated the patient. You'll have a few lectures during the week to reinforce things that will be tested at the end of the unit.

Pros: it's conversational. You're not sitting in boring lectures all day. Very active learning. You get to know each other really well. The professors also get to know you really well and like hanging out with the group. You also learn to integrate the information as you would in real life instead of doing one subject at a time. You get to be a pro at taking histories and working out differentials. It usually takes 2-3 hours to do your first history of the year. Our last one of the year took ~20 minutes. You know what to look for and what to ask, and it helps in the clinic when you're seeing real patients. As far as information, we have competitive Step 1 scores compared to other schools. You learn the information required to be successful.

Cons: it's less structured. This can be a good thing or a bad thing. You're going to feel lost at the beginning of the year. They don't spell things out for you right away, you have to learn how to learn on your own. It's daunting, but once you get good at it it's not too bad. You get a set of online self-assessment questions (an un-graded quiz) at the end of each case to keep you on track of what you should know. A lot of these topics are tested on during the unit exams. That said, sometimes it can be frustrating not knowing what you should or shouldn't spend time on, or how deep you should go into a topic. Studying with other group members really helps with this, and by the end of CRR most people have found their stride. You also have more free time some weeks than others, so there's plenty of time to get extra hours in at the hospital/clinic or the anatomy/histology lab.

2. Yes, immediately. You see your first standardized patient during week 1 or 2. You won't really know what you're doing and you'll feel like you shouldn't be in your white coat seeing patients yet... because you don't know anything. The first time you have to do a physical will be equally horrifying, and you'll probably do something silly or stupid... and that's okay. You learn in small pieces and get more efficient and confident each time. Eventually they do clinical exams where you have to do timed histories and physicals, then go "run labs" on a computer and figure out what the patient has (also timed). You write up your DXJ (diagnosis justification) and are graded on how well you performed in the clinic and in your DXJ. By the end of the year you will be able to do a full history in about 12 minutes, and a full physical in about 30 minutes. You also have to do a history and physical on at least 3 real patients (at your mentor's office or hospital) throughout the year and then write up your findings. I loved my clinical medicine experience during M1, and the clinical staff are fantastic.

3. Depends on who you are. Some people are high-strung and go full-throttle all year, but most don't. Most people are stressed during CRR because they're not confident, but after passing that unit people start to ease up a bit. We had IM teams in men's and corec basketball, soccer and softball and actually almost won a few of the tournaments. A decent chunk of our class isn't really the party type, but there are plenty of people to go the bars and have fun with if you're up for it (you'll probably have time to go out ~1-2 times/week depending on how badly you want to go out and how close exams are).

The professors generally love their groups. Some will take you out to lunch, bring in home-made food for you during group or meet up with you for a drink after exams. Each has a different teaching style, but they are all engaged when you're talking in group and will make sure you leave with the right information in your brains (or at least in your notes). Obviously not everyone will mesh with their prof, but generally the prof will push you to the level you need to be at for the exams and you will respect them for getting you there.

4. There are research opportunities during the summer. Most don't do research during M1 but you can if you want to. We have students right now in Carbondale, Springfield, California, Peoria and elsewhere doing research under MPEE and CARE (the two research programs offered during M1 summer). We're competitive for residency. Everyone from the Class of 2014 matched in a variety of fields. There are also a lot of research opportunities in Springfield in pretty much every field.

5. Most people rent apartments. Some get trailers, some rent houses, depends on what you're looking for. There are plenty of affordable options in the area, most fall within the $300-500/month range.

I know that was long but hopefully you find it helpful. Feel free to reply or PM if you have any other questions!
 
No worries, I'm happy to help. I could probably write a short book on this but I'll try to limit it to a few medium-sized wall of text...

1. Organization: you meet with 4-7 other students and a professor 3x3hrs/week (usually MWF 8AM-11AM). For CRR (first unit) you do about 1 case/week. For each case you get a "patient" with pre-written symptoms, labs, imaging, etc loaded onto the computer. You get a patient age, setting (family office, ER, etc) and chief complaint (vomiting, chest pain) to start the case and have to come in on Monday with a list of differential diagnoses. You explain why it could be XYZ, what tests you'd run to figure it out, etc. Then you take a history on the patient by asking questions on the computer. The patient will give you answers as if they were a real patient. It's quite accurate actually, I've heard things from real patients this year and been like "wow, that sounds exactly like one of our cases." From here you narrow down your Ddx list, and figure out what you need to go learn more about before you run labs (if it sounds like an MI, learn about heart anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, cardiac markers... if it's a PFO learn about heart embryology, shunting, cyanosis, normal blood gases, etc). Then you come back and discuss the learning issues with the group and the professor basically fact-checks you (some do this more than others) to make sure you know the material well. At the end of the case you read a progress report and see how the doctors actually treated the patient. You'll have a few lectures during the week to reinforce things that will be tested at the end of the unit.

Pros: it's conversational. You're not sitting in boring lectures all day. Very active learning. You get to know each other really well. The professors also get to know you really well and like hanging out with the group. You also learn to integrate the information as you would in real life instead of doing one subject at a time. You get to be a pro at taking histories and working out differentials. It usually takes 2-3 hours to do your first history of the year. Our last one of the year took ~20 minutes. You know what to look for and what to ask, and it helps in the clinic when you're seeing real patients. As far as information, we have competitive Step 1 scores compared to other schools. You learn the information required to be successful.

Cons: it's less structured. This can be a good thing or a bad thing. You're going to feel lost at the beginning of the year. They don't spell things out for you right away, you have to learn how to learn on your own. It's daunting, but once you get good at it it's not too bad. You get a set of online self-assessment questions (an un-graded quiz) at the end of each case to keep you on track of what you should know. A lot of these topics are tested on during the unit exams. That said, sometimes it can be frustrating not knowing what you should or shouldn't spend time on, or how deep you should go into a topic. Studying with other group members really helps with this, and by the end of CRR most people have found their stride. You also have more free time some weeks than others, so there's plenty of time to get extra hours in at the hospital/clinic or the anatomy/histology lab.

2. Yes, immediately. You see your first standardized patient during week 1 or 2. You won't really know what you're doing and you'll feel like you shouldn't be in your white coat seeing patients yet... because you don't know anything. The first time you have to do a physical will be equally horrifying, and you'll probably do something silly or stupid... and that's okay. You learn in small pieces and get more efficient and confident each time. Eventually they do clinical exams where you have to do timed histories and physicals, then go "run labs" on a computer and figure out what the patient has (also timed). You write up your DXJ (diagnosis justification) and are graded on how well you performed in the clinic and in your DXJ. By the end of the year you will be able to do a full history in about 12 minutes, and a full physical in about 30 minutes. You also have to do a history and physical on at least 3 real patients (at your mentor's office or hospital) throughout the year and then write up your findings. I loved my clinical medicine experience during M1, and the clinical staff are fantastic.

3. Depends on who you are. Some people are high-strung and go full-throttle all year, but most don't. Most people are stressed during CRR because they're not confident, but after passing that unit people start to ease up a bit. We had IM teams in men's and corec basketball, soccer and softball and actually almost won a few of the tournaments. A decent chunk of our class isn't really the party type, but there are plenty of people to go the bars and have fun with if you're up for it (you'll probably have time to go out ~1-2 times/week depending on how badly you want to go out and how close exams are).

The professors generally love their groups. Some will take you out to lunch, bring in home-made food for you during group or meet up with you for a drink after exams. Each has a different teaching style, but they are all engaged when you're talking in group and will make sure you leave with the right information in your brains (or at least in your notes). Obviously not everyone will mesh with their prof, but generally the prof will push you to the level you need to be at for the exams and you will respect them for getting you there.

4. There are research opportunities during the summer. Most don't do research during M1 but you can if you want to. We have students right now in Carbondale, Springfield, California, Peoria and elsewhere doing research under MPEE and CARE (the two research programs offered during M1 summer). We're competitive for residency. Everyone from the Class of 2014 matched in a variety of fields. There are also a lot of research opportunities in Springfield in pretty much every field.

5. Most people rent apartments. Some get trailers, some rent houses, depends on what you're looking for. There are plenty of affordable options in the area, most fall within the $300-500/month range.

I know that was long but hopefully you find it helpful. Feel free to reply or PM if you have any other questions!

Thank you Pasmal. That pretty much covers everything. I am from Southern Illinois (not born here though) so hopefully I can get a secondary. Hope to have a chance to talk with you if I ever have a chance to visit the campus in Springfield. Thank you so much for your time. The PBL scares me a bit but I think as long as some one can navigate through it they'll be very successful. I love the Springfield facilities and all the opportunities for clinical training.
 
@investmentdoc email received on July 2nd saying that my app was under screening. Then received the secondary application email on July 11th. Submitted July 14th and signature form and fee received by SIU on July 16th at 12:01 PM.
 
II via email at 11:20 AM today. requested 8-26 through 8-29. Earliest day available to me was 8-25. Any essential advice for the interviews??
 
II via email at 11:20 AM today. requested 8-26 through 8-29. Earliest day available to me was 8-25. Any essential advice for the interviews??
Would you mind sharing your stats and location? I was also under screen on July 2. So far, no knows at all from SIU ....
 
Sure no problem. >24 MCAT and a >3.4 c&s GPA. Located about 2 miles south of I-80!
 
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Don't let that deter you. If you fit the mission of the school and expressed it in your app then it won't matter where you are from (in Illinois).
 
Yep, II for me today also. Supplementary application received July 11th, I submitted my secondary and signature form with payment pretty soon after that. Also selected between the 25th of August and the 1st of September. Really looking forward to interviewing here, my top choice school!
 
For those who got an II, did they send you an email when they received your signed form and check? I sent mine least Thursday and haven't heard that they got it yet.
 
No they did not. I put a tracking number on mine and they received it and then sent the II via email the next day around the same time they received the signature form the day before.
 
I just received an II today! Secondary received July 7th, and submitted July 17th. Check and signature form sent the next day.
 
I just received an II today! Secondary received July 7th, and submitted July 17th. Check and signature form sent the next day.
Congrats! May I ask where you are located? Still no news from me from SIU...
 
I just got put on the "Screeners Alternate" without receiving a secondary! Is this a type of rejection?!
IS, 3.9 GPA, 33 MCAT, I am so confused!
 
I also just received an email saying SCREENERS ALTERNATE. My MCAT score was 28: 9/9/10, GPA 3.96. I live in the Chicago area. This is kind of bizarre to me, I'm a veteran with 7 years of service. I kind of thought this state school would jump on that.
 
I just got put on the "Screeners Alternate" without receiving a secondary! Is this a type of rejection?!
IS, 3.9 GPA, 33 MCAT, I am so confused!
Same... I got screener alternate. I am also from chicago... where are you located? It might have to do with your location..
 
Same... I got screener alternate. I am also from chicago... where are you located? It might have to do with your location..
Downtown Chicago, I hope that the reason behind this status is just my location 🙁
 
I got secondary a week ago and submitted it today. Im from Chicago near downtown. MCAT 31. GPA 3.8.... underserved from Lima, Peru soo idk.. :/
 
any one knows what to write on 'pay to the order of' when writing a check? I dislike the fact that they dont accept online payments. oh well :/
 
What are the prompts? Can someone post them? Are they the same as previous years?
 
I just got put on the "Screeners Alternate" without receiving a secondary! Is this a type of rejection?!
IS, 3.9 GPA, 33 MCAT, I am so confused!

Its probably due to your location. While SIU does take from all over Illinois, they typically take most from more rural areas. Getting a secondary pretty much means you'll get an interview. Getting an interview gives you a good chance!
 
Its probably due to your location. While SIU does take from all over Illinois, they typically take most from more rural areas. Getting a secondary pretty much means you'll get an interview. Getting an interview gives you a good chance!
The thing is that I spent most of my childhood growing up in a rural underserved area and I have a lot of experience working with underserved population. In my opinion living in the urban areas for the last 2-3 years should not diminish all the years that I spent in rural areas...
 
The thing is that I spent most of my childhood growing up in a rural underserved area and I have a lot of experience working with underserved population. In my opinion living in the urban areas for the last 2-3 years should not diminish all the years that I spent in rural areas...

SIU's main goal is to train more physicians and to provide better healthcare for Southern Illinois. In order to retain physicians in Southern Illinois, they accept more people from here.

Was SIU your first choice school? I'm willing to go out on a limb and say it wasn't. If anyone is sure they want to get into SIU, its best to make connections with the school. There are many ways to do this.
Here are a few I would suggest.

1) They allow interested people to come and sit in on PBL sessions down in Carbondale and will often spend time answering questions and giving advice. I guarantee that if you did this alone in the past, they probably would have given you a secondary/interview since you would have shown them enough interest in the school to make the trip.
2) Research with the school- Whether its research at the Carbondale campus, or Research at Springfield(better choice), there is tons of stuff you could do. Getting a LOR from a faculty member would also get you a secondary/interview.
3) Shadow Springfield docs

One thing to know about SIU SOM is that its like a huge family. Everyone is kind and wants to help you out, from faculty to the student body.
The original purpose of this reply was to help non southern Illinois applicants to better their chances, but this advice applies to everyone. If you start working/spending time with the SIU family, we are going to want to keep you around.

Back to Nym, Being turned down never feels good, but with your stats, I don't foresee you having any difficulty getting accepted somewhere. Good luck!
 
Finally got my itinerary! I will be down there on the 26th! Now what is this horseshoe I am hearing about?
 
Go to D'Arcy's off Stanford Ave and get one (they have the best, and it's not too far from SIU SOM)! It's basically a piece of Texas toast, with meat of your choice (generally good ol' hamburger, but other meat also acceptable; I like tenderloins on it!), topped with a bunch of nice hot fries and smother with a delicious cheese sauce (either mild or spicy). Aka heart-attack on a plate, also known as heaven. Ponyshoes are smaller versions of horseshoes, which are usually massive, so opt for a pony if you're not feeling hungry.
 
Could someone post the secondary essays? SIU is holding for my MCAT. Thanks!!
 
I'm mailing out my signature form for my secondary tomorrow, about how long did it take for you guys to receive the interview invite after sending that out?
 
SIU's main goal is to train more physicians and to provide better healthcare for Southern Illinois. In order to retain physicians in Southern Illinois, they accept more people from here.

Was SIU your first choice school? I'm willing to go out on a limb and say it wasn't. If anyone is sure they want to get into SIU, its best to make connections with the school. There are many ways to do this.
Here are a few I would suggest.

1) They allow interested people to come and sit in on PBL sessions down in Carbondale and will often spend time answering questions and giving advice. I guarantee that if you did this alone in the past, they probably would have given you a secondary/interview since you would have shown them enough interest in the school to make the trip.
2) Research with the school- Whether its research at the Carbondale campus, or Research at Springfield(better choice), there is tons of stuff you could do. Getting a LOR from a faculty member would also get you a secondary/interview.
3) Shadow Springfield docs

One thing to know about SIU SOM is that its like a huge family. Everyone is kind and wants to help you out, from faculty to the student body.
The original purpose of this reply was to help non southern Illinois applicants to better their chances, but this advice applies to everyone. If you start working/spending time with the SIU family, we are going to want to keep you around.

Back to Nym, Being turned down never feels good, but with your stats, I don't foresee you having any difficulty getting accepted somewhere. Good luck!

I don't agree with all of these as strictly rules of thumb. Someone with a 3.0/20, terrible ECs and poor interview skills can sit in PBL with us 100 times and probably won't get in.

Also, I didn't do any of these things and got in, and I'm from up north. Just sell yourself and how you fit the mission of the school.

And for those asking before, screened alternate status pretty much means no II, sorry to say :/


MD Class of 2017
 
For those of you that received an interview invite, how long did the committee take to get back to you and confirm a date? I submitted my four hypothetical dates on 7-23, received confirmation on 7-24, but have not heard back. They said to give it "2-3 weeks", which would put the end of that process as tomorrow.

I was just wondering if everyone else had the same delay. I suppose I will call Friday if I do not hear back.
 
For those of you that received an interview invite, how long did the committee take to get back to you and confirm a date? I submitted my four hypothetical dates on 7-23, received confirmation on 7-24, but have not heard back. They said to give it "2-3 weeks", which would put the end of that process as tomorrow.

I was just wondering if everyone else had the same delay. I suppose I will call Friday if I do not hear back.


I believe it is 2-3 weeks PRIOR to your interview date, not from 2-3 weeks from the date that you submitted. That being submitted, if you are coming close to the date that you submitted, might want to call. Admissions folks here are some of the nicest I've ever encountered
 
I believe it is 2-3 weeks PRIOR to your interview date, not from 2-3 weeks from the date that you submitted. That being submitted, if you are coming close to the date that you submitted, might want to call. Admissions folks here are some of the nicest I've ever encountered

Here is the email:

"Southern Illinois University School of Medicine has received your Interview Scheduling Information. Please allow at least two to three weeks in order for us to schedule and confirm your interviews (unless you have chosen dates that are further in the future. We will be in touch with you as the dates you have chosen are a bit closer)"

I think I will just wait it out until the end of tomorrow and give them a call when I get the chance. Seems like they are very open to being contacted, regardless of the issue.

Anywho, I'm sure it'll all work out. I appreciate the insight!




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