2016-2017 Southern Illinois University Application Thread

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To add to the detailed and accurate post @ncklkrt provided:

1) What is the 3rd year like and how is it structured?
Neuro is a 2 week rotation, the other weeks include some time off, a couple modules (interactive sessions) on EM/IM/GS topics, and a week of rads and path exposure.

a) How are the rotations structured? What is your role on the wards? Do you have a clear role Do you get your "hands dirty" alot, or is it alot of shadowing?
Your autonomy varies depending on both the rotation and the attending, but generally you are expected to get your hands dirty as necessary and perform most of the basic duties of a resident but on a smaller panel of patients. There are things you can do to increase your autonomy/responsibilities. The one advantage you have over residents is time. I try to use that time to get to know my patients better than anyone else, both through chart review and interviewing. If you can gather a solid and accurate history (and maybe discover important info they didn't already know about) and have the most recent labs/tests etc on tap for the residents and attendings, and read up on various treatment options so you can provide or inquire about alternative treatments, they will start to trust you and let you do more things to help out. That may vary from “can you go and check on so-and-so and see if x has changed” to letting you perform a joint injection or biopsy or sutures on your own (under supervision) or even asking your opinion on the best treatment option.

2) Where do 3rd year evaluations come from?
Attendings, residents and other staff. They are now the major determinant in H/P/F, so they are a big deal and give you even more of a reason to try and gain more responsibilities as previously mentioned.

4) How are medical students protected from scut?
I agree with @ncklkrt re: the respectful environment as far as students are concerned. I have volunteered for “scut” more than I have been asked to do it. It’s honestly one of the only things you can consistently do at a level of an attending or resident. It shows that you want to actually help the team and making resident’s lives easier/making them look good is a big help when you need them to update you on a patient or explain the rationale for a particular treatment (essential for good oral presentations) or write you a detailed review (which is probably the last thing on most residents’ minds). I’ve never felt that doing these things has hindered my clinical exposure in any way as I usually do it on down-time anyways, and anecdotally I’ve found doing these sort of things to be helpful in learning how various medical professionals communicate with one another, with families, with government agencies, etc. I put scut in quotes because I've never been asked to do really menial stuff like sending faxes or running personal errands.

5) How receptive is the administation to fixing problems and/or disciplining out of line behavior, espcially from residents?
The administration prides themselves on lack of student abuse or problems in this area. We are asked about this at least once during every rotation, often both through anonymous forms and in-person with the clerkship directors. If a relationship with an attending or resident does become truly negative for some reason, you can ask to switch to a different team mid-rotation. I’ve yet to hear of this happening to anyone.

6) how is the research opportunities at this school?
It’s pretty easy to hop on projects. Opportunities vary by specialty. Having a longitudinal relationship with one attending makes it really easy to ask about research spots, and they’re usually very open to med students who want to get in on something (free help is free help).

7) how good is this school at focusing on the bread and butter?
Not sure what kind of answer you expect here. Compared to what? Attendings will give you patients who have things they think you need to learn about. You’re going to see some weird stuff no matter where you train, but the majority of things you will see on a given service will be bread-and-butter by definition.
 
Would you guys be able to comment on matching? I noticed 5 students didn't match on match day this year (assuming all 72 graduated?)

Thanks so much!
 
Would you guys be able to comment on matching? I noticed 5 students didn't match on match day this year (assuming all 72 graduated?)

Thanks so much!
SIU is 110% for the student in terms of helping you secure a residency. Most people who do not match shoot for much higher than their board scores and clinical evaluations allow. Some people only want to work at one specific place. If you apply broadly enough and within the scope of your credentials, you are pretty much guaranteed a spot. Some students take a year off for personal issues before residency as well.

We try really hard to make sure you understand what type of medicine you would be competitive for, and it's up to the student to make the final decision in their applications. There's numerous reasons as to why a few didn't match, but it was mostly "on them" in that they didn't apply broadly enough or too many reach programs, against the school's advice.

You meet directly with the dean of the school individually during your final year and have a discussion about your options to make sure you know the risks and benefits of applying to your programs.

There were also a LOT of couples in the most recent graduating class, and that means a lot of them did couple's matching, which means one may have had to take a gap year in order to get a spot at the same location as their spouse.
 
Yeah, on the letter and during my interview day they said the first batch goes out in December. When during December is what I'd like to know!
First batches of acceptances are usually the first week in December. I received my acceptance 12/2/13 for the entering class of 2014. E-mail came about 2:30pm and I was checking my email after an eye doctor appointment; funny I still remember exactly where I was when I found out!

You can likely expect first batches to go out the week of December 4. You are notified via e-mail and then a big thick envelope with tons of information is mailed out later in the week.
 
First batches of acceptances are usually the first week in December. I received my acceptance 12/2/13 for the entering class of 2014. E-mail came about 2:30pm and I was checking my email after an eye doctor appointment; funny I still remember exactly where I was when I found out!

You can likely expect first batches to go out the week of December 4. You are notified via e-mail and then a big thick envelope with tons of information is mailed out later in the week.


Whats the deposit situation like? Do you have to put it down after you get the hard acceptance in December?
 
SIU is 110% for the student in terms of helping you secure a residency. Most people who do not match shoot for much higher than their board scores and clinical evaluations allow. Some people only want to work at one specific place. If you apply broadly enough and within the scope of your credentials, you are pretty much guaranteed a spot. Some students take a year off for personal issues before residency as well.

We try really hard to make sure you understand what type of medicine you would be competitive for, and it's up to the student to make the final decision in their applications. There's numerous reasons as to why a few didn't match, but it was mostly "on them" in that they didn't apply broadly enough or too many reach programs, against the school's advice.

You meet directly with the dean of the school individually during your final year and have a discussion about your options to make sure you know the risks and benefits of applying to your programs.

There were also a LOT of couples in the most recent graduating class, and that means a lot of them did couple's matching, which means one may have had to take a gap year in order to get a spot at the same location as their spouse.

Thank you SO much. SIU is my top choice, but this was giving me a little pause.
 
Whats the deposit situation like? Do you have to put it down after you get the hard acceptance in December?
Yes. You have to pay the $100 deposit within one week of your acceptance to save your spot. Failure to pay will count as a declined acceptance. It is refundable if you decide to accept somewhere else.
 
Yes. You have to pay the $100 deposit within one week of your acceptance to save your spot. Failure to pay will count as a declined acceptance. It is refundable if you decide to accept somewhere else.

Thanks! Wasn't sure if it was supposed to be after the AWPA and I missed it somewhere.
 
Interviewed last Thursday and I am feeling really confident about how it went hopefully I get that AWPA
Can anyone comment on how long it takes to hear back about the AWPA
 
II last week and interview next week. Excited to check the school out
 
Interviewed last Thursday and I am feeling really confident about how it went hopefully I get that AWPA
Can anyone comment on how long it takes to hear back about the AWPA
AWPA's are usually 4-5 weeks after interviewing, depending on when you interviewed. They meet once a month to discuss all that month's applicants. You should hear back the first week in December or so as they meet after thanksgiving and before christmas breaks for the first batch of acceptances as well as the next AWPA batch.
 
Can anyone comment on when the next acceptance dates are usually?
 
The first batch (approx 1/3 of class size) went out yesterday. 2nd batch is usually in early Feb, 3rd in early March. Congrats to those who got their letters/emails! Sure makes for a nice Thanksgiving weekend 🙂 For those of you still AWPA, hang in there! Plenty more letters to come.
 
I interviewed the first week of November. Any idea when to expect a decision on AWPA, RA, etc.? The suspense is killing me.
 
I interviewed the first week of November. Any idea when to expect a decision on AWPA, RA, etc.? The suspense is killing me.
AWPA decision will most likely be next week. The school breaks for the holiday from Dec 16 - Jan 2.
 
I was placed on the AWPA list and received my letter on 11/12. Does anyone know why they wait until February to send out more acceptances? It seems like FOREVER away!
They like to stagger their acceptances to allow for a broader applicant pool in February and in March. Also, with Thanksgiving + Christmas + New years not a whole lot of action is going on in admission until the new year gets back into full swing, so it's partly that reason as well! As Pasmal said, about 1/3 of the class size is sent acceptances each date, and then rolling admissions after March based on those who decline their acceptances. Good luck!!
 
They like to stagger their acceptances to allow for a broader applicant pool in February and in March. Also, with Thanksgiving + Christmas + New years not a whole lot of action is going on in admission until the new year gets back into full swing, so it's partly that reason as well! As Pasmal said, about 1/3 of the class size is sent acceptances each date, and then rolling admissions after March based on those who decline their acceptances. Good luck!!

Technically it's already rolling, just limited to the currently open spots. So if one of the currently accepted 20-something declines their seat now, someone will get an acceptance letter (usually very quickly thereafter). Given how many tend to hold spots until later on in the cycle this isn't common at this point, but it's a reason to keep checking your emails!
 
So relieved to receive AWPA today! .... now for a few more months of waiting :dead:

My 10 Suggestions For How to AWPA:

1 - Assume you will not get in during the big batch releases. This was the case for ~54% of accepted applicants. There were 72 spots and 156 acceptances in 2015. Those accepted at #73-156 of AWPA are now (in all likelihood) medical students.

2 - Have a healthy dose of optimism that "tomorrow could be the day" and check your email daily. If it's not, rinse/repeat.

3 - The only thing worse than not being accepted is not being accepted and being empty handed come graduation. Have some sort of backup plan, whatever it is, and have a plan for when to begin setting it in motion regardless of your perceived chances. I was thankfully accepted later in my cycle, but I had already lined up two solid MS programs just in case.

4 - Exercise regularly and vigorously. It's hard to be anxious when you literally can't move.

5 - If you're already done with core/gen-ed requirements, take a really interesting "out there" sort of class that you've always wanted to take. This could be your last chance to do so. Studying something you're genuinely thrilled to learn about makes time go by faster and may help keep that hopefully soon-to-be-irrelevant GPA up.

6 - If you can't cope with the idea of #5, there are some medical-related classes that could serve a similar function and possibly help the transition to med school. Immunology, microbiology, neuroscience, medical ethics, population science, any anatomy or physiology class you haven't already taken, etc. I've had classmates who came in with these classes under their belts and the knowledge-base makes for faster connections/more efficient studying, which is a nonessential but undeniably nice thing to have in M1-M2. Don't do this because you feel you have to, only do it if it interests you... there is plenty of time for med school stuff in med school. Oh and for the love of God avoid botany... plants are dumb.

7 - Netflix.

8 - Do fun stuff. Do you remember the agonizing realization that our once beloved eachers ruthlessly murdered our sacred recess-time in middle school (GONE, LIKE FOREVER???)? How about looking back on your high school experience and realizing how undervalued your free time was (maybe you put most of it to good use... I didn't)? Guess what? The med school version of this is with, well, most of your remaining free time. So go enjoy being in college for a bit, in a group of hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of people all your age and mostly still relatively clueless about what the future holds for them.

9 - Pat yourself on the back. What you're trying to do is really freakin hard... and here you are! Realize that while getting an acceptance is difficult, so too is the road ahead (school exams, boards, clerkships, residency apps). Be confident in yourself, but realize that this is the beginning, not the end.

10 - As impossible as it sounds, the memory of the uncertainty you now face will fade with time once accepted. The daily stresses of med school can cause you to lose sight of the bigger picture. Remember that half of med students are in the bottom 50% of their class, but the bottom 50% of an amazing group of people is... an amazing group of people. Focus on becoming the best doctor you can be, and try to ignore any white noise that tries to throw you off along the way.
 
Would you indulge a little more AWPA neuroticism? How long do those offered acceptances have to decide? When will we likely see rolling offers start going out? Do those offered acceptances usually hold on to them until March or April?
 
Would you indulge a little more AWPA neuroticism? How long do those offered acceptances have to decide? When will we likely see rolling offers start going out? Do those offered acceptances usually hold on to them until March or April?

I think it's something like 1-2 weeks to send a deposit to hold the seat. After that as long as they want up until the multi-accept deadline (I believe that is now May 1?). The bulk of rolling movement occurs in an accelerating fashion in the two weeks preceding and following that date, as new accepted around that date have some time to accept or decline the spot as well, and that is the time they will be hearing from other schools as well. Idk how many hold onto their acceptances that long and I don't think anyone can give you a firm answer on that, but it seems to be quite a few based on the above.
 
I think it's something like 1-2 weeks to send a deposit to hold the seat. After that as long as they want up until the multi-accept deadline (I believe that is now May 1?). The bulk of rolling movement occurs in an accelerating fashion in the two weeks preceding and following that date, as new accepted around that date have some time to accept or decline the spot as well, and that is the time they will be hearing from other schools as well. Idk how many hold onto their acceptances that long and I don't think anyone can give you a firm answer on that, but it seems to be quite a few based on the above.

Anecdotal, but a large majority of our current class of M3 (~30%) all got acceptances after May 1, at least according tho those students. As Pasmal said, the ball really starts rolling +/- 2 weeks from May 1, and slows down by the end of May. Good luck to everyone on AWPA, accepted, and those waiting to interview and enjoy the holidays with your loved ones 🙂
 
Anecdotal, but a large majority of our current class of M3 (~30%) all got acceptances after May 1, at least according tho those students. As Pasmal said, the ball really starts rolling +/- 2 weeks from May 1, and slows down by the end of May. Good luck to everyone on AWPA, accepted, and those waiting to interview and enjoy the holidays with your loved ones 🙂

I second that. I'm a current M1 and I got AWPA near the end of October yet didn't get accepted until the 1st or 2nd week of May. (EDIT: perhaps the longest 6 months of my life...ugh)

AWPA without an acceptance by May is by no means a bad sign. So extrapolate and apply that to early January, Feb, Mar, etc.--in other words, DON'T PANIC. Your time will come.
If anyone has any questions I'm happy to help. At this point, I'd be more able to help with the early stages of M1 such as adjusting from undergrad, learning "how to PBL", what Doctoring is like, and things like that. Good luck to you all
 
Acceptance today! Was not expecting that at all when I checked my email today... Could the second batch have been released? Good luck to everyone else on AWPA; I hope you hear back soon!
I just emailed Elizabeth if the second batch has gone out yet. She said only a few were sent out today and that the second "big" round will happen after they meet on Jan 24th! Congratulations on your acceptance!!
 
I just emailed Elizabeth if the second batch has gone out yet. She said only a few were sent out today and that the second "big" round will happen after they meet on Jan 24th! Congratulations on your acceptance!!
Thank you! Hoping you receive good news either before or during the next batch!
 
Acceptance today! Was not expecting that at all when I checked my email today... Could the second batch have been released? Good luck to everyone else on AWPA; I hope you hear back soon!
Congratulations!
 
I just emailed Elizabeth if the second batch has gone out yet. She said only a few were sent out today and that the second "big" round will happen after they meet on Jan 24th! Congratulations on your acceptance!!
Did she happen to give you a specific date for the next round of acceptances? Thanks!
 
Did she happen to give you a specific date for the next round of acceptances? Thanks!
I emailed her and she said by the end of this week the rest of the January acceptances should go out? I was hoping for a more specific date but I guess that's the best they can give us at the moment.
 
I emailed her and she said by the end of this week the rest of the January acceptances should go out? I was hoping for a more specific date but I guess that's the best they can give us at the moment.
The batches are usually mailed out around Thursday, so most likely acceptance e-mails should be coming late this week / early next week followed by acceptance letters.
 
I just got my acceptance today! The batch has definitely gone out! I'm hoping for the best for everyone else! From what I've heard DON'T GET DISCOURAGED! There's still 1 batch left and several to come from AWPA after that! Interviewed 10/10, AWPA 11/18 and accepted 1/26!

LizzyM ~71
 
I just got my acceptance today! The batch has definitely gone out! I'm hoping for the best for everyone else! From what I've heard DON'T GET DISCOURAGED! There's still 1 batch left and several to come from AWPA after that! Interviewed 10/10, AWPA 11/18 and accepted 1/26!

LizzyM ~71
What time in the day did you get the email?
 
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