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Sam.kh said:
I got an email saying that my application is on the alternate category but on the portal it says Med School Wait list/ Alternate (ML).

Could you please tell me the difference between both?
Thanks
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Is this initially what it said when you first got the update after the interview? Or did it switch from II--->Waitlist----->waitlist/alternate?
 
midwesternblot said:
I hope that’s not the case because I thought the faculty interview was my weakest portion! I guess it wasn’t any fault of my own, my dude seemed very disinterested in conducting the interview and then he ended it like 25 minutes early because he wanted to go home. He was such a character.
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This seems very odd because the faculty interview is only 30 minutes. So he only spent like 5 minutes with you? My interviewer last round was also very disinterested, I think his name was Michael Scott. But seriously I could hear other applicants laughing and having a good time from my interview room, no joke.
 
TobyFlendersin said:
There really is no difference. Your application gets pooled with all the other wait-listers and then Wayne has some ranking system I believe for selecting off the alternate list for acceptance. Students on the waitlist in November have no better shot than people waitlisted in February per se. But it really is just a waiting game right now because most MD applicants have until May 1 to tell schools if they are coming or not. You will see much more waitlist movement in late April-June. My sources are this was exactly my situation all last summer, unfortunately.
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Thank you for the information!
All we can do now is wait. I hope we all get accepted soon.
 
havingwhatittakes said:
Is this initially what it said when you first got the update after the interview? Or did it switch from II--->Waitlist----->waitlist/alternate?
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Yes my portal changed from interview invite to waitlist / alternate.
It wasn't even updated after my interview was completed.
Does this mean anything?
 
bararaboi said:
That person got an “alternate decision”, but I do know that an "alternate" decision (applicants are not waitlisted yet) is an active decision so all files are reviewed and considered for acceptance.
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Okay, mine is still in “Med school invite to interview”, so I idk if they just haven’t gotten to my file. Hopefully I hear back this week.
 
My friend called and they said they’re backed up a bit. So if you’re still waiting to hear back or get an update it’s probably going to be another two weeks.
 
TobyFlendersin said:
This seems very odd because the faculty interview is only 30 minutes. So he only spent like 5 minutes with you? My interviewer last round was also very disinterested, I think his name was Michael Scott. But seriously I could hear other applicants laughing and having a good time from my interview room, no joke.
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From what I remember they were 50 minutes. The student interview is 30.
 
gullu101 said:
Yeah you're right, it was my fault for expecting love from any of my 7 state schools, sue me. Especially Wayne State, which would have been a 15 minute drive and where I would have been able to attend school with my fiancee. I was born in Detroit and wanted to give back to the city I grew up. Well I'll still be doing that, just not at this school. Definitely sounds entitled of me doesn't it?

It's not entitlement if a member of the admissions team told you that you have a solid chance, and got your hopes up. One of the many thing I've learned from this entire process is that nobody who says anything to you knows anything. Don't believe what they say until you've got the acceptance in your hand. I won't be making that mistake again
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You should be embarrassed by writing this post. Just because you live close to school, you think you deserve "love?" Quit being bitter and enjoy MSUCOM. And just because someone says you have a "solid chance" does not mean you're entitled to an interview. Take a good long look at everything in your application, considering not just Wayne rejected you.

And to everyone on the waitlist, don't lose hope. I know people at the top of my class that got in a week before school started.
 
I sent Wayne State an email asking them that out of the 400+ students interviewed that have not received an offer, how many were on the waitlist currently. About a month later, I just received a copy and paste reply telling me to be patient lol
 
That might be because the admissions office does't have the answer itself. For starter's sake, the waiting list is not created until April time when those on the "alternate list" are automatically transferred over. Acceptances will be given from now until then and the alternate list changes from now until then each time the Admissions Committee meets. The office probably receives hundreds of questions a day. If you're looking for a more direct answer, there is always a phone number you could call.

I do mean this kindly, especially from someone who had to deal with a steep "learning curve" once he first stepped foot on campus: patience and professionalism are very useful virtues to practice on as you all go through the admissions process. The cycle will end well, just give it time.

Strawhat1491 said:
I sent Wayne State an email asking them that out of the 400+ students interviewed that have not received an offer, how many were on the waitlist currently. About a month later, I just received a copy and paste reply telling me to be patient lol
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TobyFlendersin said:
My interviewer last round was also very disinterested, I think his name was Michael Scott.
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midwesternblot said:
From what I remember they were 50 minutes. The student interview is 30.
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They changed it dramatically from last year then. We had only one faculty interview for 30 minutes and 30 minutes for the MMI. No students were involved except for one listening to MMI answers.
 
bararaboi said:
That might be because the admissions office does't have the answer itself. For starter's sake, the waiting list is not created until April time when those on the "alternate list" are automatically transferred over. Acceptances will be given from now until then and the alternate list changes from now until then each time the Admissions Committee meets. The office probably receives hundreds of questions a day. If you're looking for a more direct answer, there is always a phone number you could call.

I do mean this kindly, especially from someone who had to deal with a steep "learning curve" once he first stepped foot on campus: patience and professionalism are very useful virtues to practice on as you all go through the admissions process. The cycle will end well, just give it time.
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Thanks for the good wishes. However, from a student's perspective things seem substantially different. For example, by having a fully updated waitlist roster, a student such as myself could calculate a fairly accurate probability of the chances of acceptance based on how many offers (more or less) are left to be given out. Why is that important? Because many of us, OOS applicants have to uproot our families, make preparations etc. Myself personally, I have a fiancé to worry about, we even have to tell her parents at some point, but why do it now if it's only a possibility...

Anyhow, you're right and I am going to call them to see if I can get a more accurate reply. Thanks!
 
Fairplay said:
If you get a more accurate reply, could you please share? Thanks!!
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Word to the wise, you will never get an accurate response over the phone. They have secretaries answering the phone who are limited in what they can say because they were never intended to have applicant specific information or any involvement in admission decisions. Hundreds of students haven't even heard back from their original interviews yet so they would never go out on a limb to tell you worthwhile information.
 
MDU7 said:
I’m not here to invalidate anyone’s feelings just to share my thoughts. It’s their job as a Med school to recruit applicants, so they have a larger pool to choose their class from. Wayne unlike other medical schools gave about 1000+ interview invites out..that’s a lot. Just like any other medical school they aren’t just selecting applicants because they’re qualified (in terms of stats), but ones that would fit their school and potentially accept the offer. I honestly get the frustration but most of this process was shooting your shot, because you’re never guaranteed an interview to begin with. I hope everyone ends up where they are supposed to be, and if it’s not Wayne then another school. Try to be hopeful, everyone’s anxious, you’re not the only one.
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Having more of a behind the scenes look at this "recruitment" though, I gotta say that some of Wayne's strategies are getting shady. They want to make it a more nationally known school, which is great, but they reduced the OOS tuition drastically then lure in application money by free mass marketing. This round they gave only a few interviews to students in my Masters program at Wayne Med out of nearly 70-100 students. The program is specifically designed to make you a competitive med school applicant and we even share some of the same professors. People are getting upset and are starting to catch on so Wayne needs to decide if it's going to be a nationally known school or a community-driven school that is designed to help a struggling area like Detroit.
 
TobyFlendersin said:
Having more of a behind the scenes look at this "recruitment" though, I gotta say that some of Wayne's strategies are getting shady. They want to make it a more nationally known school, which is great, but they reduced the OOS tuition drastically then lure in application money by free mass marketing. This round they gave only a few interviews to students in my Masters program at Wayne Med out of nearly 70-100 students. The program is specifically designed to make you a competitive med school applicant and we even share some of the same professors. People are getting upset and are starting to catch on so Wayne needs to decide if it's going to be a nationally known school or a community-driven school that is designed to help a struggling area like Detroit.
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Wow that sounds terrible, they should definitely give more preference to students in their masters program. But then again, you still need to do well in that program and have a comparable Mcat score to their average Mcat score to get that interview.
 
TobyFlendersin said:
Having more of a behind the scenes look at this "recruitment" though, I gotta say that some of Wayne's strategies are getting shady. They want to make it a more nationally known school, which is great, but they reduced the OOS tuition drastically then lure in application money by free mass marketing. This round they gave only a few interviews to students in my Masters program at Wayne Med out of nearly 70-100 students. The program is specifically designed to make you a competitive med school applicant and we even share some of the same professors. People are getting upset and are starting to catch on so Wayne needs to decide if it's going to be a nationally known school or a community-driven school that is designed to help a struggling area like Detroit.
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I defintely agree with large portions of this, but in my limited knowledge of talking to administrators one of the driving factors for the OOS tuition decrease was the overall surplus of MI medical schools for IS "qualified" applicants. Between all 7 schools, Detroit is not getting underserved to much extent, if at all, anymore. Yes the population is in a terrible socioeconomic and healthcare drain in terms of outcomes, but its not for a lack of trainees - its more because changes in infrastructure, support, and community backing are still lagging far behind.

Talk to any PDs in the area and you'll see that the amount of spots they have for qualified match applications is low in Detroit. Obviously, the UP and hand are different stories because of their demographics and rural draw, but people are not shying away from coming to Detroit to train. There are some amazing programs in the Detroit, whether its in the obvious ED training in trauma, acute, etc. Or Kresge Eye, Karmanos Cancer, the list goes on and on; Detroit is an amazing place to train.

From what I can say from my little experience with interviews and commitee members, its that although there has been a drastic increase in applications, the applicant pool itself has changed as people 1) are becoming more interested in urban clinical care from Detroit's unique pathology 2) WSU itself is becoming more widely recognized and 3) the obvious, OOS has decreased.

All in all, from my perspective it defintely sucks that they did so much marketing to just draw applicants in (especially when master students are extremely qualified most of the time), but its effect has been two fold. Lots of people getting unfortunate wait times, but also a different composion of applicants stats.

Really don't sweat it if youre on the wait list! I'm sure its been said a million times on this forum, but the WL will move and it will move a lot.

Good luck!!
 
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Anyone know how accurate the admissions tracker is? It says they've had 716 interviews but supposedly their average is around 750, and they got almost twice as many applications this year above average. I wonder if they raised/made an MCAT cutoff or something.
 
Dr. Brightside said:
Anyone know how accurate the admissions tracker is? It says they've had 716 interviews but supposedly their average is around 750, and they got almost twice as many applications this year above average. I wonder if they raised/made an MCAT cutoff or something.
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I know it last got updated the day after I interviewed (2/12) so interpret that how you want
 
Has anyone from the waitlist got accepted yet?
It has been so long since someone actually did, and I just feel like the list has not been moving since December.
 
Sam.kh said:
Has anyone from the waitlist got accepted yet?
It has been so long since someone actually did, and I just feel like the list has not been moving since December.
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I imagine most of the waitlist movement will be in May/June
 
Sam.kh said:
Has anyone from the waitlist got accepted yet?
It has been so long since someone actually did, and I just feel like the list has not been moving since December.
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I was accepted off of the waitlist at the end of January after ~1 month of being on there. It is very likely others have been accepted off of it as well that either didn't post about it or aren't on SDN, so don't get discouraged! While it is sometimes useful to try to gauge things on here, it is not always helpful.
 
MDU7 said:
“The Admissions Committee expects to make decisions on the last group of interviews by the end of the month. Please be patient as we work through the process.”

The email I got back. So just be patient and keep busy 🙂
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Thanks!
 
Juice313 said:
I was accepted off of the waitlist at the end of January after ~1 month of being on there. It is very likely others have been accepted off of it as well that either didn't post about it or aren't on SDN, so don't get discouraged! While it is sometimes useful to try to gauge things on here, it is not always helpful.
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Did you write a letter?
 
I Cycle said:
Did you write a letter?
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I wrote them an update letter after I was placed on the alternate list, but I did not write a letter of intent if that is what you're referring to.
 
Checked my portal today for a rejection, apparently same date as 2/27 rejection train. Thanks for never emailing me. Maybe I did get rejected from Wayne two years ago then...
 
I don’t know how this is possible but I’m pretty sure I just recieved an II and a rejection at the same time lol
Apparently I didn’t check my portal in time?
“WSU SOM Interview Request
Wayne State University School of Medicine was excited to offer you an interview this year and while, you did not sign up for an interview as indicated on the WSUSOM Admissions Portal, we are offering you an opportunity to meet with a member of the SOM Admissions Team to discuss applying in our next cycle. If you would like an advising appointment, please call [I left this blank].

Additionally,this letter is to inform you that our Admissions and Interview process for 2018 is now complete and your application has been withdrawn from our selection process. We hope you received an acceptance to another medical school but if you did not, we look forward to reviewing your application in the future. Thank you for your interest in our medical school.”
 
soysizle said:
I don’t know how this is possible but I’m pretty sure I just recieved an II and a rejection at the same time lol
Apparently I didn’t check my portal in time?
“WSU SOM Interview Request
Wayne State University School of Medicine was excited to offer you an interview this year and while, you did not sign up for an interview as indicated on the WSUSOM Admissions Portal, we are offering you an opportunity to meet with a member of the SOM Admissions Team to discuss applying in our next cycle. If you would like an advising appointment, please call [I left this blank].

Additionally,this letter is to inform you that our Admissions and Interview process for 2018 is now complete and your application has been withdrawn from our selection process. We hope you received an acceptance to another medical school but if you did not, we look forward to reviewing your application in the future. Thank you for your interest in our medical school.”
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I just got the same thing. [emoji23][emoji23]

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soysizle said:
They never sent the email so I never checked my portal. Is this just the way this school works?
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Wow! Yeah, apparently, they use their portal and your Wayne email. I was not even notified that I got an II. I just happened to check the portal and I saw it. Didn't even send it to my Wayne email. I had to decline it though because I got accepted to a school closer to home. I'm so sorry that happened. Did you get in somewhere though?

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nezpas said:
Wow! Yeah, apparently, they use their portal and your Wayne email. I was not even notified that I got an II. I just happened to check the portal and I saw it. Didn't even send it to my Wayne email. I had to decline it though because I got accepted to a school closer to home. I'm so sorry that happened. Did you get in somewhere though?

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Oh I see! Thankfully so! I’d be raising hell if I didn’t have an acceptance already lol
 
soysizle said:
Oh I see! Thankfully so! I’d be raising hell if I didn’t have an acceptance already lol
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Lol. I completely understand. Congratulations on your acceptance.

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Do any current students, or people involved with the admissions committee know if there is an internal ranking for people on the waitlist? I know we don't get any information on rankings, but does Wayne rank us from their end?
 
MD95 said:
Do any current students, or people involved with the admissions committee know if there is an internal ranking for people on the waitlist? I know we don't get any information on rankings, but does Wayne rank us from their end?
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The waitlist is ranked.
 
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