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REL said:
You are correct that PTE never needs to be used before April 30, and "can" be used after April 30 if you wish, although it still has limited meaning. Selecting CTE 21 days prior to matriculation is the general rule, although many MD program have chosen a date 30 days in advance of their matriculation date. If you feel like sharing the "pressure" school let me know. We are monitoring those programs who are not playing nice.
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One of my schools told me “plan to enroll” is **required** after April 30th. Hopefully I’ll hear some good news from UCF before then
 
I just returned from a 3-day conference that included AMCAS and many central and southern regions admissions members. I had two suggestions for the group: 1. Rewrite the AAMC CYMS instructions to make it plain that applicant were not required to select PTE or CTE until they were ready, but also in concert with each school's own CYMS instructions for the timing of CTE; and 2. AAMC provide the link for each school's rules to the applicant in their AMCAS portal.

There were several schools that did not want the CYMS change to make it plain to applicants that is was a voluntary choice. That thought process just blew me away! Many were also were pretty clueless on many aspects of when to require CTE and were much more concerned about filling their class ASAP! As noted in the CYMS handout, the AMCAS Working Group recommended that CTE not be mandated until within 21 days of matriculation. Some uninformed programs have their CTE set to April 30 -- we have gotten to many of them and they are changing this. Other programs have not yet done this -- if you know of some please let me know.

As for the links, the AAMC already has these links from the current MSAR (which of course does not pertain to you) so it would be possible (in a future year?) that an applicant's AMCAS application could automatically receive this link upon receiving an acceptance. That way you would not have to search each individual school site independently. AMCAS will research this possibility for future application years.

Unless a med program is an early start program, ie FSU in my state, NO program should have April 30 as a CTE date. Most programs matriculate in between the middle of July and the middle of August so in most cases programs should have CTE dates starting in early July if they are following the recommendations of the AMCAS Working Group.

Finally - many programs are sending emails to applicants that are not very clear and the result is that applicants feel some confusion, confusion leads to feelings of perceived or real pressure. If you are unsure, you can send an inquiry email to that program. If you do not feel comfortable doing that you can send me that email via PM and I will give you some advice, or even contact the program and provide you with any response

If you feel like sending your own response email to a program's CTE type email I have recommended something like the email below which was successful in receiving a clear response from programs.

“Thank you for this email, I am very pleased that you contacted me with this information. This process can be confusing and I was curious as to whether you are requiring me to select commit to enroll (CTE) or plan to enroll (PTE) by the April 30 deadline. I look forward to your response.”

This is a serious choice that you need to make for yourself, do not let a program "stampede" you into an early selection that is not a top choice for you.
 
REL said:
I just returned from a 3-day conference that included AMCAS and many central and southern regions admissions members. I had two suggestions for the group: 1. Rewrite the AAMC CYMS instructions to make it plain that applicant were not required to select PTE or CTE until they were ready, but also in concert with each school's own CYMS instructions for the timing of CTE; and 2. AAMC provide the link for each school's rules to the applicant in their AMCAS portal.

There were several schools that did not want the CYMS change to make it plain to applicants that is was a voluntary choice. That thought process just blew me away! Many were also were pretty clueless on many aspects of when to require CTE and were much more concerned about filling their class ASAP! As noted in the CYMS handout, the AMCAS Working Group recommended that CTE not be mandated until within 21 days of matriculation. Some uninformed programs have their CTE set to April 30 -- we have gotten to many of them and they are changing this. Other programs have not yet done this -- if you know of some please let me know.

As for the links, the AAMC already has these links from the current MSAR (which of course does not pertain to you) so it would be possible (in a future year?) that an applicant's AMCAS application could automatically receive this link upon receiving an acceptance. That way you would not have to search each individual school site independently. AMCAS will research this possibility for future application years.

Unless a med program is an early start program, ie FSU in my state, NO program should have April 30 as a CTE date. Most programs matriculate in between the middle of July and the middle of August so in most cases programs should have CTE dates starting in early July if they are following the recommendations of the AMCAS Working Group.

Finally - many programs are sending emails to applicants that are not very clear and the result is that applicants feel some confusion, confusion leads to feelings of perceived or real pressure. If you are unsure, you can send an inquiry email to that program. If you do not feel comfortable doing that you can send me that email via PM and I will give you some advice, or even contact the program and provide you with any response

If you feel like sending your own response email to a program's CTE type email I have recommended something like the email below which was successful in receiving a clear response from programs.

“Thank you for this email, I am very pleased that you contacted me with this information. This process can be confusing and I was curious as to whether you are requiring me to select commit to enroll (CTE) or plan to enroll (PTE) by the April 30 deadline. I look forward to your response.”

This is a serious choice that you need to make for yourself, do not let a program "stampede" you into an early selection that is not a top choice for you.
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On SDN, people have testified that DO programs have been charging for tuition before April 30 for the next year. Not sure how this figures in, but I figured I'd share
 
scrapy said:
On SDN, people have testified that DO programs have been charging for tuition before April 30 for the next year. Not sure how this figures in, but I figured I'd share
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Yes, DO Programs are governed by a different accreditation body (AOA) and they have traditionally charged over $1k non-refundable "seat deposits" for years. Many school force this charge more than once.
 
Yup, as someone who has put a deposit down for two DO schools, I can attest to that. One school required a $1500 non-refundable deposit and the other required $2000. They say that the money goes towards your tuition but if you end up not going there, it's forfeited. So you basically just GAVE the school a few thousand dollars. I really hope MD schools don't go that route because it's prohibitively expensive for low-income students.
 
Hi REL, do you expect movement from the not-yet-accepted list to happen soon? Or, will those of us that are on this list receive an update this week? Thank you!
 
@REL Hey REL, I am getting some conflicting feedback from a school i was accepted at. They are stating that I need to CTE on 4/30 and that is AAMC's deadline and their deadline.
 
djsbaseball2014 said:
@REL Hey REL, I am getting some conflicting feedback from a school i was accepted at. They are stating that I need to CTE on 4/30 and that is AAMC's deadline and their deadline.
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If so, they are an early start program like FSU in Florida. According to the recommendations on the AMCAS CYMS info sheet programs should not CTE until 21 days prior to their matriculation. If they are not early start then they should have this in their school described instructions, go to their site and see what they say. If they dont say anything it means that they are one of the many confused programs that do not understand. I sent an email to my accepted and wait list folks this afternoon. It has some tips for you to check on the programs, how to hold more than one program after April 30, and offers also offers anonymous interventions to AAMC so that they understand how badly some programs are acting. You can PM me if you the program name if you wish.
 
GoldenGal12 said:
Hi REL, do you expect movement from the not-yet-accepted list to happen soon? Or, will those of us that are on this list receive an update this week? Thank you!
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Yes, we will begin some limited movement tomorrow or Monday.
 
April 30 is arriving quickly. I wanted to provide you with some information for your consideration as we go through this process. We have determined that many programs have set their Commit To Enroll (CTE) unrealistically early, ie April 30 for late July and August matriculations. In most cases programs are not fully understanding of the process. If you find this being true and you feel that you are being forced to COMMIT too early you should:

- Go to that program’s CYMS school specific instructions to ensure that they are following their own self-determined rules. Have they set a CTE date at all?
- If their rules specify that you must select Plan To Enroll (PTE) by April 30 that should not be a problem. PTE is not CTE and is only a signal that you are not ready to CTE yet. Your PTE program may ask you why not CTE but should not pressure you to CTE prior to the suggested 21 days before matriculation or in concert with their posted CYMS rules.
- You CAN legally hold more than one school after April 30 according to the AAMC Protocols. If a program has recently offered you a seat then you are allowed 14 days to consider that offer. Additionally if you are awaiting financial information from a program you can also continue to hold multiple offers. Finally no program knows when an offer was made to you so it may be that you have just received a recent offer and have those “14” days.

We would be happy to ensure that the AAMC is aware of programs that are:
- Pressuring you to make an early decision
- Do not have their rules for CTE/PTE/Deposits specifically identified on their web site
- Are forcing you to CTE earlier than the recommended 21 days prior to matriculation or earlier than their school specific rules define

- In any of the above we will not identify you to the AAMC
 
Hi @REL, if it’s permissible to hold multiple acceptances after April 30th, what’s stopping people from holding onto seats all summer until the last minute? I’m nervous that even if enough seats open up in the class for me to attend, I’ll have already had to commit somewhere else that starts in a similar timeframe.
 
ranne13 said:
Hi @REL, if it’s permissible to hold multiple acceptances after April 30th, what’s stopping people from holding onto seats all summer until the last minute? I’m nervous that even if enough seats open up in the class for me to attend, I’ll have already had to commit somewhere else that starts in a similar timeframe.
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You can hold on to more than one program for 12-14 days if you have another acceptance if it was offered just prior to April 30. This is because you can have up to 14 days to make a decision if the offer was made prior to April 30 per the protocols. You can also hold on to more than one program if you are awaiting financial information from a program. In each case a program will eventually ask you why you have more than one seat. You provide them the reason and, according to the protocols, the program should give you some time unless that program is an early start program.

You should not be forced to CTE until about 21 days prior to the matriculation of that program. Again it is all about the school specified instructions. If they dont have anything spelled out you go with the protocols. You can be PTE if you want or if a program mandates it.
 
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If anyone has specific questions feel free to PM me. I am a current M3.
 
Accepted off the waitlist IS just this morning! Waiting for the acceptance letter email so I can get this paperwork going <3 I have one acceptance elsewhere but UCF was my top choice so I will most definitely be taking this acceptance with all the excitement my heart can handle haha!
 
94bb94 said:
Accepted off the waitlist IS just this morning! Waiting for the acceptance letter email so I can get this paperwork going <3 I have one acceptance elsewhere but UCF was my top choice so I will most definitely be taking this acceptance with all the excitement my heart can handle haha!
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Congrats! Are you top half or bottom half of the upper 1/3?
 
Does anyone know the facebook page for the upcoming class? I would like to start networking and finding potential roommates 🙂
 
FadingOptimist said:
Does anyone know the facebook page for the upcoming class? I would like to start networking and finding potential roommates 🙂
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UCF COM Class of 2023 --> that's the title! They already have a roommate excel sheet going to help find roommates similar to you!
 
So, I didn't realize how extensive the immunization requirements were and with only 2 months to complete them now for UCF I am worried about a Hep B titer issues. If it isn't up to snuff, is it ok to have the booster and get another titer done 4 weeks from then or would we have to do a full series? The full series takes 6 months unless you do an accelerated series but even then I would have to start that next week and I can't see my doctor until May 20th. I didn't get the chance to call health services today and I'm anxious to know if anyone may know. If they are super strict with the Hep B stuff I don't want to end up in hot water :/
 
94bb94 said:
So, I didn't realize how extensive the immunization requirements were and with only 2 months to complete them now for UCF I am worried about a Hep B titer issues. If it isn't up to snuff, is it ok to have the booster and get another titer done 4 weeks from then or would we have to do a full series? The full series takes 6 months unless you do an accelerated series but even then I would have to start that next week and I can't see my doctor until May 20th. I didn't get the chance to call health services today and I'm anxious to know if anyone may know. If they are super strict with the Hep B stuff I don't want to end up in hot water :/
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You will be fine to start the series and continue the series on schedule during your time at the med school.
 
Hi, can anyone confirm for the immunizations needed to enter school in the fall is it just the standardized AAMC immunization form, supplemental meningitis form, and the physical examination form? is there anything else I need?
 
hiragana said:
Hi, can anyone confirm for the immunizations needed to enter school in the fall is it just the standardized AAMC immunization form, supplemental meningitis form, and the physical examination form? is there anything else I need?
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I suggest looking at the Immunization Requirement section of the website. You should have gotten an email with a link. This is the link:

Enrollment Requirements

Welcome to the UCF College of Medicine! This section contains information and instructions for all REQUIRED Enrollment Requirements for the UCF COM M.D. Program. My name is Soraya Smith and I am the Director of Student Services and Service Learning here at …
med.ucf.edu med.ucf.edu

There is a tab on the left for the immunization requirements. Not everything on the AAMC Standardized Form is required.
 
Nrodr180 said:
Is UCF still giving out scholarships?
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Yes, the scholarship committee is still working and will meet within a day or two after acceptance. Presumably we will have something for all again this year. As some withdraw that scholarship $ will be parsed out to those that follow.
 
Hey @REL per the last wait list update, you said that people in the lower half of the upper 1/3 have usually received an acceptance between late April and early May in the past. I was wondering if you guys are having slower movement this year due to the traffic rule changes? Thanks!
 
The in-state was moving a bit faster, but now non-Fl is moving more. Now we have just about exhausted the upper 1/3 of the FL residents of both, we will move through the upper-middle 1/3 over the next several days I suspect.
 
REL said:
The in-state was moving a bit faster, but now non-Fl is moving more. Now we have just about exhausted the upper 1/3 of the FL residents of both, we will move through the upper-middle 1/3 over the next several days I suspect.
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So you guys are done with both upper and lower half of the upper 1/3 of FL residents? I’m in that category but never heard anything. Maybe I got moved down haha
 
SnP500 said:
So you guys are done with both upper and lower half of the upper 1/3 of FL residents? I’m in that category but never heard anything. Maybe I got moved down haha
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Nope, "just about" though....you should get a call soon. Might be a good idea to send us email or call just to verify.
 
REL said:
Nope, "just about" though....you should get a call soon. Might be a good idea to send us email or call just to verify.
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I know it’s probably impossible to know, but do you think it’s possible that UCF makes some offers to the bottom half of the middle third?
 
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