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Hope everyone's having an awesome new year! Can anyone give insight on the MMI portion of this interview? Should I prepare ethical based questions?
 
Does anyone know when and how we will submit our campus preference and when we will hear back? In addition, when does fin. aid info come out for this school? I submitted my FAFSA a few months ago.
 
amoney904 said:
The randomness by which they are sending out rejections is both scaring me and giving me the slightest bit of hope. Forwarded for preliminary review on 08/11.
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Same here... I was complete on 9/4 and still nothing. When was the last time they sent a group of IIs out?
 
123ey123 said:
do you mind sharing your stats and when were you put under review?
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I don't want to get too in detail but low mcat ≤506, ORM, average gpa, but heavy rural-clinical experience. I doubt i'll even get an invite but I felt I fit their mission pretty well.
 
premed1387 said:
This is from the What Medical Schools to Avoid thread. Any thoughts on this from accepted applicants and current students who are in this thread?
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4th year CHMer here, 2nd cohort of the SDC curriculum: While I agree with parts of this post, I think it is unfair to say that MSU CHM is a failure altogether when it comes to educating and preparing us for ultimately applying to residency. Now to break down everything that was mentioned in this post:

1. Please understand that the SDC is NOT for everyone. The way it is structured basically does away with lectures (yes you will still meet in large groups but that is then broken up into small group discussions) and solely focuses on PBL style learning of all your core competencies. Therefore transitioning from undergrad where you had lectures of 400+ students and a professor to complete, independent learning is hard. You have to know this going into the curriculum and be prepared to take ownership of your learning which includes finding other resources that will help you master the material and figure out how you study best (flashcards, study groups, tutors, watching videos, etc.) And to be frank, this is how it'll be like with many medical schools, where most of your learning is just independent study. The pros of this is how much free time you get to do your own thing instead of being bogged down by constant exams, everything was formative when I was going through M1/M2 years (cannot speak to any changes recently).

2. M1 year consists of rotating through outpatient FM, IM, or peds clinics mainly functioning as an MA role in the beginning then moving onto shadowing the actual physician and ends with seeing patients on your own. M2 year then transitions into inpatient rotations including more involved ones like Adult Wards (Inpatient IM), Peds, EM, Newborn... to rotations where all you do is just shadow like what was mentioned (Nursing, SW, PT). I agree with how these rotations might be considered a waste of time but at the same time, you get what you put in. Learning how these resources worked and what a referral to PT or SW will only help you down the line when you are the attending consulting these services. Then since these rotations require much less from you in terms of clinical hours and assignments, there will be lots more free time to focus on your own Step studying and at the end of the day it all balances out.

In the very end, most of my peers and I got where we needed to go. We all felt prepared for M3/M4 year, my only criticism there is that our core clerkships are significantly shortened from traditional 8 weeks of IM to just 4 weeks because of the early exposure to Adult wards we get in 2nd year is somehow supposed to make up for that. I did just fine on Step 1 and Step 2, most to my own merit and self studying and almost none to the curriculum because if I depended on it, I would not succeed so the earlier you realize what works for you the better you will do. What the curriculum lacks in is made up by the freedom and autonomy we are given to structure our own learning to what works for us and the focus on early clinical experiences definitely prepares you better to succeed in M3 year on your clerkships. Bottom line, if you need a lot of hand holding and clear instructions of how/what to study, you will struggle here but if you are up to the challenge then CHM has a lot to offer. The match results last year were amazing and I believe, despite COVID this year, my class will match pretty well too. I hope that helps and feel free to post any other questions you may have!
 
CHMer2021 said:
4th year CHMer here, 2nd cohort of the SDC curriculum: While I agree with parts of this post, I think it is unfair to say that MSU CHM is a failure altogether when it comes to educating and preparing us for ultimately applying to residency. Now to break down everything that was mentioned in this post:

1. Please understand that the SDC is NOT for everyone. The way it is structured basically does away with lectures (yes you will still meet in large groups but that is then broken up into small group discussions) and solely focuses on PBL style learning of all your core competencies. Therefore transitioning from undergrad where you had lectures of 400+ students and a professor to complete, independent learning is hard. You have to know this going into the curriculum and be prepared to take ownership of your learning which includes finding other resources that will help you master the material and figure out how you study best (flashcards, study groups, tutors, watching videos, etc.) And to be frank, this is how it'll be like with many medical schools, where most of your learning is just independent study. The pros of this is how much free time you get to do your own thing instead of being bogged down by constant exams, everything was formative when I was going through M1/M2 years (cannot speak to any changes recently).

2. M1 year consists of rotating through outpatient FM, IM, or peds clinics mainly functioning as an MA role in the beginning then moving onto shadowing the actual physician and ends with seeing patients on your own. M2 year then transitions into inpatient rotations including more involved ones like Adult Wards (Inpatient IM), Peds, EM, Newborn... to rotations where all you do is just shadow like what was mentioned (Nursing, SW, PT). I agree with how these rotations might be considered a waste of time but at the same time, you get what you put in. Learning how these resources worked and what a referral to PT or SW will only help you down the line when you are the attending consulting these services. Then since these rotations require much less from you in terms of clinical hours and assignments, there will be lots more free time to focus on your own Step studying and at the end of the day it all balances out.

In the very end, most of my peers and I got where we needed to go. We all felt prepared for M3/M4 year, my only criticism there is that our core clerkships are significantly shortened from traditional 8 weeks of IM to just 4 weeks because of the early exposure to Adult wards we get in 2nd year is somehow supposed to make up for that. I did just fine on Step 1 and Step 2, most to my own merit and self studying and almost none to the curriculum because if I depended on it, I would not succeed so the earlier you realize what works for you the better you will do. What the curriculum lacks in is made up by the freedom and autonomy we are given to structure our own learning to what works for us and the focus on early clinical experiences definitely prepares you better to succeed in M3 year on your clerkships. Bottom line, if you need a lot of hand holding and clear instructions of how/what to study, you will struggle here but if you are up to the challenge then CHM has a lot to offer. The match results last year were amazing and I believe, despite COVID this year, my class will match pretty well too. I hope that helps and feel free to post any other questions you may have!
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Thank you so much for your detailed insight regarding the school and curriculum. If you don't mind me asking, how would you compare MSUCHM to other Michigan schools in terms of time commitment per week? Would it be correct to say that MSUCHM allows more independent study time versus a school like OUWB where lectures are somewhat required? I have traditionally preferred to study independently and maximize third party resources in my previous education, given your comment would MSUCHM be the best fit in that regard? Once again, thank you for your time.
 
premed1387 said:
Thank you so much for your detailed insight regarding the school and curriculum. If you don't mind me asking, how would you compare MSUCHM to other Michigan schools in terms of time commitment per week? Would it be correct to say that MSUCHM allows more independent study time versus a school like OUWB where lectures are somewhat required? I have traditionally preferred to study independently and maximize third party resources in my previous education, given your comment would MSUCHM be the best fit in that regard? Once again, thank you for your time.
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I'm not too familiar with OUWB's curriculum but just from browsing through their website, it seems more traditional with an organ system-based curriculum meaning you will probably run through each system 6-8weeks at a time. If lectures are mandatory and exams are given at the end of each block, then yes I would say the time commitment per week is higher to attend all these lectures and complete the required assignments.

To further explain SDC, instead of organ system based... we have it broken down by C3 chief complaints. Instead of learning cardiology as a whole, you will have weeks focused on topics like Hypertension, Hyperlipidemia, Fever, Pneumonia, etc. then try to learn every topic under those chief complaints from physio, pathology, micro, biochem. So you can see how this way of learning might seem unorganized at first. However, by second year you would have seen these topics at least 3-4x because chief complaints ultimately overlap and the repetition plus the experience in clinic and the hospital will solidify your knowledge.

So the main difference between a traditional curriculum like at OUWB vs. SDC at CHM is that at CHM you are not always studying for a test at the end of each block and given way more freedom to focus on whatever outside resource works for you. You are tested with NBME exams twice a semester which are basically Step 1 practice tests and the cutoff for each semester is set pretty low so as long as you hit that cutoff (literally the first semester of M1 year the cutoff is like 25% correct), then you pass. Sounds like you're comfortable with the idea of going solo a bit, I think you'll do just fine! If anything, others ahead of you are more than welcome to share every google drive of resources we have floating around and give you tips on how to succeed in this curriculum because more than often we've all done it! It just takes a bit of adapting and being open to change.

*Also I just realized Step 1 is changing to P/F for you all, so even less pressure! Just focus on mastering the material in the first 2 years so you lay a strong foundation to succeed in your clerkships and Step 2.
 
Shocking no one, I just received pre-II R.

Probably shouldn't have placed my glimmer of hope on their alleged post-bacc GPA emphasis, especially with so many qualified traditional applicants + 20% increase this year d/t Fauci Effect.
 
Stubbzy said:
Shocking no one, I just received pre-II R.

Probably shouldn't have placed my glimmer of hope on their alleged post-bacc GPA emphasis, especially with so many qualified traditional applicants + 20% increase this year d/t Fauci Effect.
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Do you mind sharing your stats, IS or OOS and complete date?
 
123med123 said:
Do you mind sharing your stats, IS or OOS and complete date?
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Stats are rubbish (LM 52, WARS ~63 IIRC), but I can PM them to you. OOS, complete late 11/15.

Even worse now that I think about it. Why did I have hope?
 
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I completed in the end of July, and I haven't heard anything. My app was apparently placed on hold at some point, and didn't get an email or anything, so I don't know if it means much at this point. Last cycle, I had gotten a pre-II R at this point, so if you haven't heard anything yet, I would say that is good news, to whatever extent that matters. Though, obviously, it doesn't make it any easier to wait...
 
Stubbzy said:
Stats are rubbish (LM 52, WARS ~63 IIRC), but I can PM them to you. OOS, complete late 11/15.

Even worse now that I think about it. Why did I have hope?
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Sorry to hear about this. Mine was forwarded for review on November 12 and I'm also OOS but I haven't heard back yet. Kinda nervous.
 
socolas said:
Sorry to hear about this. Mine was forwarded for review on November 12 and I'm also OOS but I haven't heard back yet. Kinda nervous.
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My app was forwarded for review in September lol. Hopefully we'll hear something soon.
 
Does anyone know how many people they accept in a year? like they said their interview class is just under 500 so does anyone know how many people they accept from that interview class?
 
WAMCHELP123 said:
Does anyone know how many people they accept in a year? like they said their interview class is just under 500 so does anyone know how many people they accept from that interview class?
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Not sure, but for what it is worth, it seems that the better the school is, the fewer As, which makes sense; If you get an A from Yale, you are going there. So, certainly more than 500; I would imagine closer to 750, but I'm just throwing that number into the ether basically.
 
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