2023-2024 Einstein

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wysdoc said:
The issues leading to probation would still need to be rectified, has anyone presently attending this school heard updates on the status or when LCME will re-evaluate?
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I am a current Einstein student. A large part of why AECOM was put on probation was due to student feedback (issues with the new curriculum, lack of healthcare options, lack of study spaces, etc.), and many of those issues were/are currently being resolved. Lots of the other smaller legal issues have also been resolved.

Next LCME update will likely be in early 2025. Everyone seems pretty confident we'll get off probation, and given how quickly they addressed student issues (major curriculum changes, openings of new study areas, an on-site PCP and mental health programs, better career counseling) combined with free tuition, I can't see much negative student feedback in the future.

Best of luck everyone this cycle! We all had a meeting this morning and the energy was wild, probably even moreso than match day lol.
 
sdfwr312 said:
NYC cost of living might be similar to a texas MD school cost of living+ tuition haha

NYC rent aint cheap..
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Most students pay ~550 a month in rent in student housing, including gas, water, electric, heating/cooling, and internet.
 
neuro-in-training said:
what about couples housing?
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Studio: ~900
1br: ~1200
2br: ~1600

Single students in the MD or PhD programs will have roommates in 1br (living room converted to a second bedroom) or 2br (living room converted to third bedroom) and split the rent evenly. They may occasionally be placed in a studio from the start, but priority for these is given to MSTPs and to couples without children.
 
I was so set on choosing BU over Einstein and now I am just so not sure!!! The money is not the hugest aspect for me to consider tbh - but I am so unclear on what to do because of how everyone is saying this will impact Einstein in the coming years.. any advice?
 
sparky21 said:
do we think Einstein will follow a similar prestige trajectory like NYU did after it went free?
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Could you please explain this further? I thought NYU was always prestigious? But now it's even more competitive bc its tuition free. Was that not how the school was viewed prior?
 
idkwthgoinon said:
Could you please explain this further? I thought NYU was always prestigious? But now it's even more competitive bc its tuition free. Was that not how the school was viewed prior?
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NYU was always a good school but it wasn't pulling the tier of students that were going to Harvard/Stanford/Johns Hopkins. Now they are recruiting that tier of students.
 
alsjdhouh said:
I was so set on choosing BU over Einstein and now I am just so not sure!!! The money is not the hugest aspect for me to consider tbh - but I am so unclear on what to do because of how everyone is saying this will impact Einstein in the coming years.. any advice?
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Do a X vs Y school post and weigh out pros and cons!
 
Have an interview here next week. Should I expect an A, HPWL, or WL if things go well? How’s the movement of the regular WL since I doubt many people will give up their As now…
 
drtobe_ said:
Have an interview here next week. Should I expect an A, HPWL, or WL if things go well? How’s the movement of the regular WL since I doubt many people will give up their As now…
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HPWL or WL. No one got an A in the past years bunch of threads after Feb 1st until May without going on the WL/HPWL
 
gobills123 said:
HPWL or WL. No one got an A in the past years bunch of threads after Feb 1st until May without going on the WL/HPWL
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Is it realistic to expect getting on the HPWL considering so many interviewees from previous months are on the WL and not HPWL? What’s the movement on the waitlists like? Any chance of getting an A considering this recent news…
 
drtobe_ said:
Is it realistic to expect getting on the HPWL considering so many interviewees from previous months are on the WL and not HPWL? What’s the movement on the waitlists like? Any chance of getting an A considering this recent news…
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It’s realistic to expect WL/HPWL. No one knows how much WL movement there will be. I assume much less than previous years. Unless someone leverages tuition or has family support, most people probably take the scholarship
 
Just popped on to say CONGRATS to all the students going to Einstein. This is such great news. The Bronx is such an impoverished place to live. Here is hoping that ALL of you plan to stay and help with the care of that population who really need great invested doctors willing to give back.
Cmon Upstate 😛
 
gobills123 said:
It’s realistic to expect WL/HPWL. No one knows how much WL movement there will be. I assume much less than previous years. Unless someone leverages tuition or has family support, most people probably take the scholarship
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Thanks for responding I’m just super nervous now. Hope I kill it during the interview and get a high spot on the HPWL if possible. There’s still loads of time until May so I hope there’s just enough movement in my favor 🙂
 
buckiii said:
Well there goes any hope for waitlist movement hahahaha
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It’s Over!!! said:
I don't think anyone knows the answer to any of these questions.

If admissions did not know about this and therefore did not plan on this until now, I think it is safe to say there will be almost no WL movement at all because Einstein's yield will almost certainly skyrocket this year. This is particularly true given that admissions may have been expecting a lower yield than prior years because of the accreditation issues. Admissions might have rightly anticipated that yield would be lower this year because of that and therefore made more offers and more WL spots.

On the other hand, if admissions knew about this and the impending moon launch of their yield then they may have made fewer acceptances and fewer waitlist spots. Depending on how accurate their projections turned out WL activity could be similar to prior years.

But the truth is we just don't know and I don't think we will get any kind of reliable answer and instead just speculation.
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And then theres little ol me who interviewed in Sept and still no decision 🙁
 
It’s Over!!! said:
I don't think anyone knows the answer to any of these questions.

If admissions did not know about this and therefore did not plan on this until now, I think it is safe to say there will be almost no WL movement at all because Einstein's yield will almost certainly skyrocket this year. This is particularly true given that admissions may have been expecting a lower yield than prior years because of the accreditation issues. Admissions might have rightly anticipated that yield would be lower this year because of that and therefore made more offers and more WL spots.

On the other hand, if admissions knew about this and the impending moon launch of their yield then they may have made fewer acceptances and fewer waitlist spots. Depending on how accurate their projections turned out WL activity could be similar to prior years.

But the truth is we just don't know and I don't think we will get any kind of reliable answer and instead just speculation.
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The news article from earlier about all this mentions that Dr. Gottesman (the donor) spoke to Dr. Ozuah in December about the donation, so I think we can assume the school knew about it before they sent the first wave of As/WLs in February.
 
buckiii said:
The news article from earlier about all this mentions that Dr. Gottesman (the donor) spoke to Dr. Ozuah in December about the donation, so I think we can assume the school knew about it before they sent the first wave of As/WLs in February.
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I actually doubt the school admin knew about it until very recently. We were told last Friday there would be a mandatory meeting today with Dean Tomer.
People emailed the administration over the weekend, and none of them, including the assistant/associate Deans, knew anything. That, or they didn't want to spoil it.

Maybe Dr. Oz/Gottesman discussed it secretly in December and it took until now for lawyers to clear everything.
 
CorgiLoaf said:
I actually doubt the school admin knew about it until very recently. We were told last Friday there would be a mandatory meeting today with Dean Tomer.
People emailed the administration over the weekend, and none of them, including the assistant/associate Deans, knew anything. That, or they didn't want to spoil it.

Maybe Dr. Oz/Gottesman discussed it secretly in December and it took until now for lawyers to clear everything.
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Prior to Friday it was only known by O and Tomer. Press office folks found out on Friday when they were told about the NYT interview, and the development office found out over the weekend. Most of the admissions committee probably found out from the NYT article.
 
Ripgordo said:
Prior to Friday it was only known by O and Tomer. Press office folks found out on Friday when they were told about the NYT interview, and the development office found out over the weekend. Most of the admissions committee probably found out from the NYT article.
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Good to know - thanks for the correction!
 
Did anyone who sent an update to admissions get a response? Unsure if I should follow up on my update email sent early Feb.
 
sparky21 said:
do we think Einstein will follow a similar prestige trajectory like NYU did after it went free?
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NYU went from 11 to 2 now back to 10. Probably an increase from Einstein, but NYU was already T15
 
shewhobagstea said:
Did anyone who sent an update to admissions get a response? Unsure if I should follow up on my update email sent early Feb.
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Not sure if you sent an update pre or post-II, but I sent a pre-II update letter around New Years and never heard back regarding confirmation. I called them last week just out of curiosity and an admissions lady said I got no response because I was pre-II!
 
Do we know if there are explicit differences between the HPWL and normal WL emails?? My decision subject line is simply Wait List, but the content of the decision indicates that my app is still under consideration. Wondering if its worth it to sent a LOI in light of recent events 🙂
 
alsjdhouh said:
I was so set on choosing BU over Einstein and now I am just so not sure!!! The money is not the hugest aspect for me to consider tbh - but I am so unclear on what to do because of how everyone is saying this will impact Einstein in the coming years.. any advice?
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same thoughts for me...except i havent even interviewed at einstein lol i booked it for march 15
 
they dont accept updates right? or do they i feel like someone said they dont
 
It’s Over!!! said:
I could be wrong but I think when they made the announcement NYU started from a higher place in the rankings than Einstein. But for sure, without any doubt whatsoever, Einstein will shoot up in whatever is left of the US News rankings (might take a year or two to be reflected if the rankings even exist then). Application volume will soar. Acceptance rate will go way down. Average MCAT and average GPA will go way up. In fact, if the rankings still exist in two years and no other major medical schools go free tuition, I could envision Einstein--tied for 42 in this year's USNWR--easily breaking the top 20 and probably top 15 or even joining NYU in the top 10. Icahn, Cornell, and maybe even Columbia may find themselves regularly losing cross-admit battles with Einstein.

Einstein's yield will go up dramatically. Not saying it will be 100 percent. Many who are unconcerned about money (e.g. those with rich parents or those going into super high paying specialties) would not be influenced by this news. Similarly, many will still choose the tippy top schools over Einstein.

I'm fortunate enough to be holding a few A's from schools that I'm very happy with. But if I am honest, free tuition at Einstein would likely sway me away if JHU does not offer any significant aid. At around $250,000 over four years, we are talking about a very significant amount of money, even for doctors.

Congrats to all!
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NYU was much higher. 11 vs Einstein 41
 
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