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mizchiefmanaged said:
To people who have played with her more than I have: is meats normally aggro wolf or not?
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She usually disintegrates but tbh it's more behind the scenes than on the thread.

However, if she was suddenly losing and then could in fact not die for some reason/was in charge of the pack...yikessssss
 
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PippyPony said:
She usually disintegrates but tbh it's more behind the scenes than on the thread.

However, if she was suddenly losing and then could in fact not die for some reason/was in charge of the pack...yikessssss
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I think you're underselling the number of times I've been completely village and had absolute meltdowns on thread. You're right that I usually contain it more in wolfchat when I do wolf unless things are going completely sideways, but sideways is usually when it's utterly obvious to everyone playing that I am a wolf, as in there are damning night results or I pulled some ridiculous moves the last lynch and didn't succeed in my night kill adventures
 
To the people who said "not vmh" yesterday "let's wait another day"- the math is the same today as yesterday. (See math post #1 yesterday if interested)

Again we are at (*ylo) and if we lynch a villager we lose. Lynching vmh gives us more info to go into tomorrow with. Call it lazy or call it brilliant, the only way we lose by voting vmh is if she is exactly the alpha or unlynchable, but if that was the case then I don't know why wolves didn't push it that way yesterday.

If she is 3p, it puts us down in numbers going into tomorrow by one, but that just means we are at lylo instead of mylo, which considering the village jailer/only protection mechanism I've seen has been dead since literally N1, I don't think that will change things at all.

It's a bit of a gamble, but unless more info comes up about others, I'm comfortable going there today.

###lynch vmh###

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PippyPony said:
She usually disintegrates but tbh it's more behind the scenes than on the thread.

However, if she was suddenly losing and then could in fact not die for some reason/was in charge of the pack...yikessssss
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Hmmm. Yeah that makes me a bit more ok with waiting on her until next wolf.
 
mypetmoose said:
To the people who said "not vmh" yesterday "let's wait another day"- the math is the same today as yesterday. (See math post #1 yesterday if interested)

Again we are at (*ylo) and if we lynch a villager we lose. Lynching vmh gives us more info to go into tomorrow with. Call it lazy or call it brilliant, the only way we lose by voting vmh is if she is exactly the alpha or unlynchable, but if that was the case then I don't know why wolves didn't push it that way yesterday.

If she is 3p, it puts us down in numbers going into tomorrow by one, but that just means we are at lylo instead of mylo, which considering the village jailer/only protection mechanism I've seen has been dead since literally N1, I don't think that will change things at all.

It's a bit of a gamble, but unless more info comes up about others, I'm comfortable going there today.

###lynch vmh###

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Since you’re doing the math if we mislynch today and then lynch her tomorrow where are we at?
 
mypetmoose said:
To the people who said "not vmh" yesterday "let's wait another day"- the math is the same today as yesterday. (See math post #1 yesterday if interested)

Again we are at (*ylo) and if we lynch a villager we lose. Lynching vmh gives us more info to go into tomorrow with. Call it lazy or call it brilliant, the only way we lose by voting vmh is if she is exactly the alpha or unlynchable, but if that was the case then I don't know why wolves didn't push it that way yesterday.

If she is 3p, it puts us down in numbers going into tomorrow by one, but that just means we are at lylo instead of mylo, which considering the village jailer/only protection mechanism I've seen has been dead since literally N1, I don't think that will change things at all.

It's a bit of a gamble, but unless more info comes up about others, I'm comfortable going there today.

###lynch vmh###

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What are your non-math-related reads?
 
Going to put out a reminder for the new kids...

THE THIRD PARTY IS ON HER OWN TEAM, NOT YOURS.

Unless she is a wolf, and if that is the case then by all means listen to her so she can tell us who the villagers are
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
Since you’re doing the math if we mislynch today and then lynch her tomorrow where are we at?
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Barely alive if we are in the 3 wolf remaining scenario no 3p. Dead if in 3 wolf scenario with 3p. If 4 wolf we die. If 2 wolf I think we live if 3p or neutral.

I'm getting frustrated that I keep getting asked for math and then no one seems to look at it, or they glance at it then discount it. If you look at my lists from yesterday, subtract one wolf and one villager, you've got today.

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vetmedhead said:
unless things are going completely sideways, but sideways is usually when it's utterly obvious to everyone playing that I am a wolf, as in there are damning night results or I pulled some ridiculous moves the last lynch and didn't succeed in my night kill adventures
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Liiiiike... yesterday when you had an absolutely epic meltdown? Lol
 
vetmedhead said:
What are your non-math-related reads?
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Truly and honestly, I think you are a wolf. Sadly, if you are a wolf I wouldn't be surprised if miz was either. I also want to look at voting patterns again to see

My reads are that I think SOVs role is bs/for lulz, so that probably wouldn't be a bad lynch either. I don't understand how it could be real bc of Barkys result. Anyone got a better theory on that?

@StartingoverVet have your results been threatening when you got dojo hound back? Can you repeat your targets again or direct me to that post?

Afflac is village, unless converted after my death (which like... probably not- I highly doubt it). Pippy is village except in my nightmares. She has been playing very pro-village and generating discussion and making a lot of sense to me despite the mix up last night with the tie.

I felt not great about genny a few days ago, but I want to re-read her posts so I remember why.

Why did @PippyPony feel so good about mutts yesterday?

Anyway, they are lower priority than you bc your lynch gives me information and I feel strongly that we will nab a wolf.

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mypetmoose said:
Barely alive if we are in the 3 wolf remaining scenario no 3p. Dead if in 3 wolf scenario with 3p. If 4 wolf we die. If 2 wolf I think we live if 3p or neutral.

I'm getting frustrated that I keep getting asked for math and then no one seems to look at it, or they glance at it then discount it. If you look at my lists from yesterday, subtract one wolf and one villager, you've got today.

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Trust me, i am looking at it. I tried to do it myself last night to check your work but then got fed up after the first scenario and was like "mehhhh might be wolf trying to be helpful, but do not care because this is too hard" and then I put you I my green section haha
 
mypetmoose said:
Truly and honestly, I think you are a wolf. Sadly, if you are a wolf I wouldn't be surprised if miz was either. I also want to look at voting patterns again to see

My reads are that I think SOVs role is bs/for lulz, so that probably wouldn't be a bad lynch either. I don't understand how it could be real bc of Barkys result. Anyone got a better theory on that?

@StartingoverVet have your results been threatening when you got dojo hound back? Can you repeat your targets again or direct me to that post?

Afflac is village, unless converted after my death (which like... probably not- I highly doubt it). Pippy is village except in my nightmares. She has been playing very pro-village and generating discussion and making a lot of sense to me despite the mix up last night with the tie.

I felt not great about genny a few days ago, but I want to re-read her posts so I remember why.

Why did @PippyPony feel so good about mutts yesterday?

Anyway, they are lower priority than you bc your lynch gives me information and I feel strongly that we will nab a wolf.

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I mean, you're wrong about me but you do you.

Who is your next highest priority lynch after me? I think SOV's claim makes the least sense overall
 
mypetmoose said:
Truly and honestly, I think you are a wolf. Sadly, if you are a wolf I wouldn't be surprised if miz was either. I also want to look at voting patterns again to see

My reads are that I think SOVs role is bs/for lulz, so that probably wouldn't be a bad lynch either. I don't understand how it could be real bc of Barkys result. Anyone got a better theory on that?

@StartingoverVet have your results been threatening when you got dojo hound back? Can you repeat your targets again or direct me to that post?

Afflac is village, unless converted after my death (which like... probably not- I highly doubt it). Pippy is village except in my nightmares. She has been playing very pro-village and generating discussion and making a lot of sense to me despite the mix up last night with the tie.

I felt not great about genny a few days ago, but I want to re-read her posts so I remember why.

Why did @PippyPony feel so good about mutts yesterday?

Anyway, they are lower priority than you bc your lynch gives me information and I feel strongly that we will nab a wolf.

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He is claiming an ability parity seer (checks pr vs vanilla). All of his results check out with that description. 0 = vanilla ; 1 = power role

It is not a lulz role but the way he initially billed it as useless/lulz only is what made me move him from waaaaay down in my wolf reads up to near the top of village. In my experience he just doesn't make posts like that when he's a wolf.

It's also not without possibility that a seering role does not give notifications.

And honestly, from a tone perspective... I do not think I would have been blocked AGAIN last night after I shaded him heavily on the thread for 2 days and reminded him that he actually sent me an apology letter PM the last time he was a dick to me when he wolfed.

With Ziggy gone I just do not see him endorsing that strategy and I think he would have maybe actually just quit a la LIS if the game design kept forcing that option. He showed up before night close, so if he was a wolf then I would think he would have changed the night action.

Call it naïvete/wanting to believe the best in the face of conflicting evidence, but as genny said yesterday...many of the old guard have standards.

This is dirty wolfing. True scum.

...that said, I hate the genny vote. And if he is a wolf after all that^, I hope he feels reeeeeaaaaally guilty and I demand a video wolf "brag"/apology for being completely lame.
 
PippyPony said:
He is claiming an ability parity seer (checks pr vs vanilla). All of his results check out with that description. 0 = vanilla ; 1 = power role

It is not a lulz role but the way he initially billed it as useless/lulz only is what made me move him from waaaaay down in my wolf reads up to near the top of village. In my experience he just doesn't make posts like that when he's a wolf.

It's also not without possibility that a seering role does not give notifications.

And honestly, from a tone perspective... I do not think I would have been blocked AGAIN last night after I shaded him heavily on the thread for 2 days and reminded him that he actually sent me an apology letter PM the last time he was a dick to me when he wolfed.

With Ziggy gone I just do not see him endorsing that strategy and I think he would have maybe actually just quit a la LIS if the game design kept forcing that option. He showed up before night close, so if he was a wolf then I would think he would have changed the night action.

Call it naïvete/wanting to believe the best in the face of conflicting evidence, but as genny said yesterday...many of the old guard have standards.

This is dirty wolfing. True scum.

...that said, I hate the genny vote. And if he is a wolf after all that^, I hope he feels reeeeeaaaaally guilty and I demand a video wolf "brag"/apology for being completely lame.
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@StartingoverVet just in case.

And stop calling me chaos. You are making me wish for things I cannot have.
 
PippyPony said:
See if you were nicer to me without being creepy about it, I would have made you a nice 90s themed item. Did you have the Sweet Factory where you lived, or was that a new england chain?
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I had sweet factory. Now we have sugar factory which is not the same but sounds similar though kinda gross
 
Pippy I don't know why you're even bothering to dislike my reads given that you've told me several times that they're garbage, they're lies, and that you will ignore them
 
vetmedhead said:
You mean yesterday when there were no damning night results against me and I hadn't pulled any suspicious lynch or night actions the day before?
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Lol what damning night results do you expect?

- Blocker is a wolf and is glued to me like a 90s teenager watching Dawson's Creek (and as I said before, mods won't let me take the tube top off and flash you until you go blind)
- tracker is dead
- jailer is dead
- night result glean seer is dead
- vanillizer is dead but apparently had the decency to slime you again before you ate him (unless you are faking it which is possible because it's weird for abilities to persist after death)
- ability parity seer doesn't need to check you because we know you have an ability

Like...what are you expecting to come out of the woodwork here?
 
mypetmoose said:
Barely alive if we are in the 3 wolf remaining scenario no 3p. Dead if in 3 wolf scenario with 3p. If 4 wolf we die. If 2 wolf I think we live if 3p or neutral.

I'm getting frustrated that I keep getting asked for math and then no one seems to look at it, or they glance at it then discount it. If you look at my lists from yesterday, subtract one wolf and one villager, you've got today.

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I get the frustration but some of us are working 80 hour weeks and popping in between surgeries and are just doing the best we can with the limited time we have.
 
PippyPony said:
Is this because I told you I tried to give you an item :naughty:
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No, it’s because it’s completely unproductive. Last night I said I would suspect you as a convert if you were still alive in the morning, but I didn’t actually mean that. You’re probably the villageriest person here right now, so they should direct that energy at more likely wolves. Frankly, it makes me want to lynch miz.
 
I want to put miz and Afflac on my village list after yesterday’s lynch, but part of me wonders if wolves wanted ZJ lynched to get a chance at taking out Pippy.

SOV needs to be more specific about his role.

mpm seems to be trying hard to village. I agree about vmh being a better lynch today because I am far less sure about the remaining wolves than I was about ZJ. So I might vote with her.

I don’t have a lot of village points for mutts. I might vote there.

cubs’s role is one I’ve seen as a wolf just as often as a villager. But he’s not the blocker, and I’m pretty sure the blocker is wolfy. So I could vote here, but probably would look elsewhere first.

All of that leaves me with miz, mutts, mpm, or afflac as possible blockers. Which is not a narrow enough list. I might go vmh, but I don’t think wolves are going to be nice and narrow the list for me overnight.
 
genny said:
Frankly, it makes me want to lynch miz.
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- had clear motive to kill Dubz N2
- not up for lynch for most of this game (when village Miz typically has a lot of people who are sketched out by her)
- grumpy today when village should be excited
- big red flag on how she asked mods whether Ziggy took someone out, mod pointed her to write up, and then she disappeared entirely and this morning acted like she didn't read the write up after all

I moved her not w/w with vmh because of VMH's alleged ability -- I couldn't reconcile the use of it (or faked use of it) on a fellow wolf after "wasting it" on AM -- but that is basically the only thing I have for her in her village column at this point

Edit: ohhhh snap, I maybe need to look at the timeline on that. It didn't get written down with the rest so still has not been hard coded lol
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
I get the frustration but some of us are working 80 hour weeks and popping in between surgeries and are just doing the best we can with the limited time we have.
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It wasn't my intention to target you with that statement. You are actually one of the people who I feel has looked at it and not criticized me for it. 80 hour weeks sound insane, sorry miz.

I don't mind doing the math. I actually like doing it because it makes sense to me and helps me understand the game, and it'll end up in my role PM even if it never shows up on thread.

I just put a lot of work into it and then Cubs and vmh made me feel crappy about it. I just want an impartial opinion after the game I guess on whether that stuff is helpful or flawed in logic.

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mypetmoose said:
It wasn't my intention to target you with that statement. You are actually one of the people who I feel has looked at it and not criticized me for it. 80 hour weeks sound insane, sorry miz.

I don't mind doing the math. I actually like doing it because it makes sense to me and helps me understand the game, and it'll end up in my role PM even if it never shows up on thread.

I just put a lot of work into it and then Cubs and vmh made me feel crappy about it. I just want an impartial opinion after the game I guess on whether that stuff is helpful or flawed in logic.

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Oh before I forget: I really liked your point about wolves pushing it to vmh if she was an alpha instead of letting ZJ go down.
 
genny said:
I want to put miz and Afflac on my village list after yesterday’s lynch, but part of me wonders if wolves wanted ZJ lynched to get a chance at taking out Pippy.

SOV needs to be more specific about his role.

mpm seems to be trying hard to village. I agree about vmh being a better lynch today because I am far less sure about the remaining wolves than I was about ZJ. So I might vote with her.

I don’t have a lot of village points for mutts. I might vote there.

cubs’s role is one I’ve seen as a wolf just as often as a villager. But he’s not the blocker, and I’m pretty sure the blocker is wolfy. So I could vote here, but probably would look elsewhere first.

All of that leaves me with miz, mutts, mpm, or afflac as possible blockers. Which is not a narrow enough list. I might go vmh, but I don’t think wolves are going to be nice and narrow the list for me overnight.
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Mutts is not the blocker unless that's somehow on top of the movie sending, or they had Mutts claim another wolf's role for goodness knows what reason

If you look at yesterdays lynch through the lens of wolves trying to get ZJ lynched, all 4 of them look pretty terrible tbh.

Mutts probably looks the worst with the "I was trying to play along and keep the tie" bit; Miz looks bad for suggesting Mutts was village enough to be the controlling vote on that lynch (because lolwat???), Afflac's votes look straight up TERRIBLE in tallies and he has blatantly admitted to lurking lol, and that whole period of silence after I didn't die stinks of a pack-wide rage quit.
 
....in fact, in my head right now, I am imagining them being THRILLED that I was coming up with some plan that would **** over the village for them... agreeing to go along with it for the appearance of cred and getting allll excited about the Us Villagers group tshirts they would make... panicking when I came back online and almost messed it up...and then getting a virtual patronizing nose boop for trying to sneaky sneak when it turns out they never had the upper hand after all.

Out of the whole crowd, I probably have the most village points for mpm.
 
On catch up, I’ve re-evaluated my reads -

Wolfy to village

Vmh - 100% not village
Accident/miz- i think one if them is the wolf blocker by POE based on use - deciding on which one to vote
Genny - still no good feels here
Mpm - good posts/points + wolf hunting
Pippy - poor read on me but doesnt make her a wolf
SOV - weird role claim but prossibly poor paraphrasing- voted Dina & ziggy
Cubs - been leaning him village since his role came out, nothing to make that change

I’ve accepted that I did not catch a wolf D1 🙁
 
genny said:
All of that leaves me with miz, mutts, mpm, or afflac as possible blockers. Which is not a narrow enough list.
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Its already been stated im the poker which would be a silly wolf role but w.e

While mpm could be lying, nav/she werent around on during the early days people were blocked
 
PippyPony said:
Lol

Explain to me how you think wolf action submissions work?
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I get in a wolf pack, other wolves could put in actions for an mia wolf but I’d hope the mods wouldnt allow that with someone not even placing lynch votes.
 
muttmanager said:
On catch up, I’ve re-evaluated my reads -

Wolfy to village

Vmh - 100% not village
Accident/miz- i think one if them is the wolf blocker by POE based on use - deciding on which one to vote
Genny - still no good feels here
Mpm - good posts/points + wolf hunting
Pippy - poor read on me but doesnt make her a wolf
SOV - weird role claim but prossibly poor paraphrasing- voted Dina & ziggy
Cubs - been leaning him village since his role came out, nothing to make that change

I’ve accepted that I did not catch a wolf D1 🙁
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I give up Pip. I’m done fighting with you. You’re making me honest to god vomit at work right now because I’m so upset about this. If you believe SOV which you apparently do, I AM VANILLA!!!!!! His entire ability is apparently to see f someone has an ability and I DO NOT!!!!!! I AM NOT THE BLOCKER! If you don’t believe SOV, fine. But if you’re saying you believe him then I cannot be the blocker you’ve been after for so long and I’d like @StartingoverVet to come on and say who is apparently ability free/not as of last night since apparently other people believe him even if I don’t really.
 
StartingoverVet said:
Is it really? How is that possible? Whatever, I will reveal.
I am tae bo.

I can show a video to one player each night to find out if they are an “evil dojo hound”. I assumed that meant that I could find wolves, or maybe one specific wolf was my guess.

I checked the following people with the results

N1: miz. Not
N2: sport: Not
N3: Cubs - yes
N4 : Barks - yes
N5: no one

I voted cubs again on day 4 (but my vote was disallowed for some reason) because I figured I found a wolf. But the results on night 4 invalidate that as barks was confirmed a villager. I don’t see any of those players saying anything on thread to indicate my action had any other effect, so I conclude it is a joke. If anyone sees otherwise, great. I will continue to use it, and share results, but i would consider myself mostly a vanilla villager at this point.

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Found it for everyone in case anyone else was curious
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
I give up Pip. I’m done fighting with you. You’re making me honest to god vomit at work right now because I’m so upset about this.
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🙁 🙁

I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to make you feel so attacked IRL. Sorry for being too pushy. 😳

I've had you as village for most of this game, so maybe I should go back to my original reads and work from there. 🙂
 
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