Basics 2.0: The Hubris of the Champions - Game Thread

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Coopah said:
I'm debating between cubs and ziggy.

Cubs because apparently without pressure they don''t really contribute which I find sketch, and when they do the only I actually get from it is that I'm mean. Ziggy because of yesterday's fiasco. While I find other's mildly perturbing (@mizchiefmanaged you said you'd have more time today I'd love to hear from you) nothing as bad as those two.

For now Lynch Cubs
Shoot Ziggy

That way if Ziggy really is village we can hopefully prove it
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There’s been so little today to comment on this far today. I’m around and lurking and reading everything, promise!

@PippyPony i agree with your idea; it’s at least worth a shot that it should work. I also agree with @Coopah s concerns regarding those players possibly being dead, however neither affiliation has any way of knowing that definitely either way so I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t at least attempt, unless I’m misunderstanding what people are saying.

I’m sorry that the MsP lynch wound up like it did yesterday. I found some of her posts off-base and somewhat sketchy so I did what I needed to in self defense.
 
Coopah said:
I'm debating between cubs and ziggy.

Cubs because apparently without pressure they don''t really contribute which I find sketch, and when they do the only I actually get from it is that I'm mean. Ziggy because of yesterday's fiasco. While I find other's mildly perturbing (@mizchiefmanaged you said you'd have more time today I'd love to hear from you) nothing as bad as those two.

For now Lynch Cubs
Shoot Ziggy

That way if Ziggy really is village we can hopefully prove it
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I’m a bit confused and I think I missed something. What is the purpose of ‘shooting?’
 
Official Day 2 Lynch Tally
ziggy (1) - ziggy
cubs (1) - Coop

2/9
lynch close in ~7.5 hours
 
Navilly said:
I always aspired to be mildly perturbing. Still in between surgeries, getting this weird thing called a lunch break, haven’t heard of it before. Where is everyone, where are all the slinging of suspicions?
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Finals, dude.

I had an exam today, one tomorrow, homework tomorrow, and required class all day after the morning exam.
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
There’s been so little today to comment on this far today. I’m around and lurking and reading everything, promise!

@PippyPony i agree with your idea; it’s at least worth a shot that it should work. I also agree with @Coopah s concerns regarding those players possibly being dead, however neither affiliation has any way of knowing that definitely either way so I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t at least attempt, unless I’m misunderstanding what people are saying.

I’m sorry that the MsP lynch wound up like it did yesterday. I found some of her posts off-base and somewhat sketchy so I did what I needed to in self defense.
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I would like your thoughts on thread about different players, right now I have basically nothing from you. Reads? Thoughts on sketchy people? A lynch vote? All of the above would be helpful, thank you 🙂
 
Coopah said:
That honestly sounds like a good idea, which makes me mildly suspicious but ok. My only problem is if one or more of those roles are dead. I don't want people role revealing but I suppose either the jailer is dead and the chosen person is shot (not the end of the world because they were chosen to be shot anyways) or the vig is dead which nothing happens. Or the watcher is dead and one or more of the other two are dead and no one has any bloody idea wtf happened. I think it's a good plan, but it also sounds rather complicated.

Also when are we doing the role reveals? Tomorrow?
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If you think it is a good idea, why does it make you mildly suspicious?
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
@PippyPony i agree with your idea; it’s at least worth a shot that it should work. I also agree with @Coopah s concerns regarding those players possibly being dead, however neither affiliation has any way of knowing that definitely either way so I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t at least attempt, unless I’m misunderstanding what people are saying.
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mizchiefmanaged said:
I’m a bit confused and I think I missed something. What is the purpose of ‘shooting?’
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What am I missing here? I thought you just agreed with my idea in the top quote, which implies you read it, which implies you understand it is centered around someone that we vote on getting shot.
 
Coopah said:
Because I can't trust you, ever. Because every time you get one of these ideas it benefits you specifically in some way. Can't shake the habit
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Ok well sometimes I am not sketchy, and am trying to be helpful, but I guess that has not sunk in. Of course it benefits me, I'm not in the habit of suggesting things that I think will lead to a loss lol
 
Coopah said:
I would like your thoughts on thread about different players, right now I have basically nothing from you. Reads? Thoughts on sketchy people? A lynch vote? All of the above would be helpful, thank you 🙂
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I went into this a bit yesterday. The pippy v Ziggy thing ready pretty normal and v/v to me. Also her response to MsP getting lynched yesterday seemed pretty bitter village to me, but I’ve never seen Ziggy wolf before so I’m not sure if that severe self deprecation is her style.

Genny has seemed to be commenting a bit more than I’m used to with her, and the higher comment count only happened after I mentioned she hadn’t commented a lot. I’m not sure how relevant this is.

I feel that WZ has spent a decent amount of time throwing shade at things that I really don’t feel should have shade thrown at. I’ll go back eventually and find the posts, I’m on my phone currently.

Nav seems a bit off to me. Will look back and try to find specific posts. The flip flop yesterday does not read normal for him.

You’re reading pretty normal to me, I have a hard time reading cubs so I’m inclined to reserve judgement in that direction for now.
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
I went into this a bit yesterday. The pippy v Ziggy thing ready pretty normal and v/v to me. Also her response to MsP getting lynched yesterday seemed pretty bitter village to me, but I’ve never seen Ziggy wolf before so I’m not sure if that severe self deprecation is her style.

Genny has seemed to be commenting a bit more than I’m used to with her, and the higher comment count only happened after I mentioned she hadn’t commented a lot. I’m not sure how relevant this is.

I feel that WZ has spent a decent amount of time throwing shade at things that I really don’t feel should have shade thrown at. I’ll go back eventually and find the posts, I’m on my phone currently.

Nav seems a bit off to me. Will look back and try to find specific posts. The flip flop yesterday does not read normal for him.

You’re reading pretty normal to me, I have a hard time reading cubs so I’m inclined to reserve judgement in that direction for now.
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So your sketch list is very mild for a max of three people? I'm just clarifying because most people seem to think the majority of players are sketch.

Thank you for the reply though, I appreciate the effort
 
PippyPony said:
What am I missing here? I thought you just agreed with my idea in the top quote, which implies you read it, which implies you understand it is centered around someone that we vote on getting shot.
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I understood the “shoot” in the context of your post to mean vig attack. However, I didn’t understand coopah’s bolded “shoot” vote on the thread. Since I was killed N1 the only other MU style game I’ve played, I wasn’t sure if Coop was just alerting the vig that was who coop would like the vig to go for or if it’s something we could legitimately control on the main thread.

Does that make any sense? It makes sense in my head 🤣
 
Coopah said:
So your sketch list is very mild for a max of three people? I'm just clarifying because most people seem to think the majority of players are sketch.

Thank you for the reply though, I appreciate the effort
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Yup, currently only feel sketchy about those three. Especially in a game with only 2 wolves I don’t mind having a short list at this time.
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
I understood the “shoot” in the context of your post to mean vig attack. However, I didn’t understand coopah’s bolded “shoot” vote on the thread. Since I was killed N1 the only other MU style game I’ve played, I wasn’t sure if Coop was just alerting the vig that was who coop would like the vig to go for or if it’s something we could legitimately control on the main thread.

Does that make any sense? It makes sense in my head 🤣
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hahahahaha see? I'm not the only one! I had this reaction last game and legitimately thought I was going to die so I dumped my info. My best/worst blunder. 🤣
 
Navilly said:
I always aspired to be mildly perturbing. Still in between surgeries, getting this weird thing called a lunch break, haven’t heard of it before. Where is everyone, where are all the slinging of suspicions?
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Did both my surgeries before my lunch break
#winning
#oristhatlosing
 
@Navilly do you have a reads list? You're playing things much closer to the chest than usual and it's starting to go beyond "surgery = bad" in my opinion.

@WildZoo same question, I'm sorry that you will grump at this, but being busy isn't an exclusionary criteria for being a wolf.
 
PippyPony said:
@Navilly do you have a reads list? You're playing things much closer to the chest than usual and it's starting to go beyond "surgery = bad" in my opinion.

@WildZoo same question, I'm sorry that you will grump at this, but being busy isn't an exclusionary criteria for being a wolf.
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Actually I do! I made it last night so might need adjusting. I'm rethinking my Ziggy read currently.

zig
cubs
miz
nelly
genny
pip
coop
dolphino
 
Zig - Went over that yesterday. Rethinking whether or not her tone has been wolfy. I'm thinking the reason her arguments were so off was she was trying to manufacture sketch on veteran players. Poor played but not sure it is exactly wolfy since it's something she had discussed prior to the game. Would like to see her reads today.

Cubs - MsP vote came seemingly out of nowhere, no actual content so far

Miz - something about her vote timing was weird but that may be complicated by the self prez thing

Nelly - dunno, kinda feel like he's been talking just to talk. It's fine that he's more busy but I'm not seeing the analysis so far when he is around. And flipping his vote around so much yesterday felt weird.

Everybody else is neutral to village
 
WildZoo said:
Zig - Went over that yesterday. Rethinking whether or not her tone has been wolfy. I'm thinking the reason her arguments were so off was she was trying to manufacture sketch on veteran players. Poor played but not sure it is exactly wolfy since it's something she had discussed prior to the game. Would like to see her reads today.

Cubs - MsP vote came seemingly out of nowhere, no actual content so far

Miz - something about her vote timing was weird but that may be complicated by the self prez thing

Nelly - dunno, kinda feel like he's been talking just to talk. It's fine that he's more busy but I'm not seeing the analysis so far when he is around. And flipping his vote around so much yesterday felt weird.

Everybody else is neutral to village
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Ohhhh this is what I said for Nav will he find it more valid since you said it?? :heckyeah:
 
WildZoo said:
Zig - Went over that yesterday. Rethinking whether or not her tone has been wolfy. I'm thinking the reason her arguments were so off was she was trying to manufacture sketch on veteran players. Poor played but not sure it is exactly wolfy since it's something she had discussed prior to the game. Would like to see her reads today.
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Explain to me how this is village? She should be trying to get wolves lynched, not create campaigns against veterans solely because she is grumpy that they don't get lynched more often in early game.

I can see the argument about trying to get one of us lynched because I lived that yesterday lol. But like, if she actually is village, that is akin to intentionally sabotaging the game.
 
PippyPony said:
Explain to me how this is village? She should be trying to get wolves lynched, not create campaigns against veterans solely because she is grumpy that they don't get lynched more often in early game.

I can see the argument about trying to get one of us lynched because I lived that yesterday lol. But like, if she actually is village, that is akin to intentionally sabotaging the game.
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I understand, I'm just having a hard time reconciling with her tone after lynch which reads like typical grumpy zig. If I didn't know her I'd be lynching her 100%, so it's the meta read that's bothering me.
 
WildZoo said:
Because they happened at the same time...That's why I was asking. I said it was weird.
Don't know why you're mad about me presenting arguments now when you were mad before about me not being more clear about why I was voting for you. You can't have it both ways.
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Because you're presenting baseless arguments after you voted. You didn't present any arguments voting for me yesterday and now you're trying to come up with reasons to do it again today.
Again, why exactly would I have even switched my vote to MsP if I didn't think it was self prez. I voted with seconds left. Guess not everyone is so amazing at last second votes
 
Lynch Ziggy

I felt like we were largely on the same wavelength last game with some minor blips, and am not understanding the impetus behind a major shift away from a problem-solving attitude to an angry/dejected one.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Because you're presenting baseless arguments after you voted. You didn't present any arguments voting for me yesterday and now you're trying to come up with reasons to do it again today.
Again, why exactly would I have even switched my vote to MsP if I didn't think it was self prez. I voted with seconds left. Guess not everyone is so amazing at last second votes
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Who do you think is a wolf? Would you like to place a vote so we don't end up with a ten second bandwagon again? Or are you just going to vote for whoever is the other eligible person today? Because then I might switch my lynch to you
 
Also I'm just rolling my eyes into the back of my head about people think I'm on some evil crusade to lynch vets. I generally lynch vets, esp early game. There's no reason to be afraid because literally no one will ever bandwagon onto my votes (unless it's the noob game and I'm always wrong). Last few games I can remember I voted for AM and stagg early and didn't want barks to get lynched. But I'm sure whatever you've manufactured in your head makes you feel better about yourself and worse about me so whatever
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Also I'm just rolling my eyes into the back of my head about people think I'm on some evil crusade to lynch vets. I generally lynch vets, esp early game. There's no reason to be afraid because literally no one will ever bandwagon onto my votes (unless it's the noob game and I'm always wrong). Last few games I can remember I voted for AM and stagg early and didn't want barks to get lynched. But I'm sure whatever you've manufactured in your head makes you feel better about yourself and worse about me so whatever
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Well at this point you're not even playing so I don't see why you should be sticking around
 
Coopah said:
Who do you think is a wolf? Would you like to place a vote so we don't end up with a ten second bandwagon again? Or are you just going to vote for whoever is the other eligible person today? Because then I might switch my lynch to you
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Dunno. I haven't really put much effort into this tbh because I figured you all would vote for me today. Dubs seems the most wolfy to me.
The vote switching with miz and cubs and a little bit genny seems weird to me. Hard to analyze the Lynch tbh because it was so spread out.
Also seemed weird Nav moved his votes but always to someone with 1 vote iirc so I couldn't have tried to save myself with that. idk
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Im deflated. I think my fate is intertwined with Dina's. We either both live long or both die early
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I can see how you say this but idk. I am not really inclined to vote there and still am not. If you’re doing this as a really hardcore emotional manipulative wolf then cool because I will be wrong. But I don’t see this as a valid wolf move, and idk I think there are other sketchy people we could be excessively questioning for a little while, but I can’t argue with people who are lynching you for not playing because you kinda aren’t.
 
dolphin106258 said:
I can see how you say this but idk. I am not really inclined to vote there and still am not. If you’re doing this as a really hardcore emotional manipulative wolf then cool because I will be wrong. But I don’t see this as a valid wolf move, and idk I think there are other sketchy people we could be excessively questioning for a little while, but I can’t argue with people who are lynching you for not playing because you kinda aren’t.
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People said I was stupid when I played and now it's bad when I don't. Double bind here. Dunno what to do.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Because you're presenting baseless arguments after you voted. You didn't present any arguments voting for me yesterday and now you're trying to come up with reasons to do it again today.
Again, why exactly would I have even switched my vote to MsP if I didn't think it was self prez. I voted with seconds left. Guess not everyone is so amazing at last second votes
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I did though. I asked you why you misrepresented my activity and were focusing so much on things outside of this game, which is not something I've ever seen you do before. You never answered that. And if you actually read my posts I said I was reconsidering today.
 
Ok well went back and looked and the voting yesterday really confuses me and I don't understand it. So nav was voting for genny, but as soon as strog voted for genny, he changed his vote to strog. This makes no sense to me. Then, after miz puts me in front out of self prez, genny moves to Msp, ensuring I couldn't vote miz and had to vote Msp to try and tie it. Then cubs vote out of seemingly nowhere, esp since he tried throwing shade at nav multiple times yesterday. That's a lot of voting weirdness that I don't understand right at the end of the day.
 
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