BoWWnty Hunting (2022) - Game Thread

[genny]

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What are your current thoughts on chaos?

I find him hard to read. Nothing he’s said so far has seemed all that wolfy, and I think the push toward him is interesting since it’s a push that generally has less resistance.

 

[alleycat03]

Okay, I’m sorry to just pop in for a bit, but I’m super busy today between work, family Xmas, and driving back to college with my cats. I still think barks is the most suspicious. I read back through England and idk how to describe this but she just sounded way more carefree in tone? Like she was having a good time and didn’t seem stressed or fixated on what to say or do, almost flippant. I hope that’s related to her affiliation and not related to her being a 3rd year back then (at least I think) and she wasn’t as busy with clinics. My phone is being hella wacky so i didn’t force it to quote posts and do a long ISO like I planned. Here is the link to her posts from England if anyone wants to look through it. The actual game posts start at the bottom of the first page. The first few posts are comments from after the game ended.

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[alleycat03]

Although, Alley, you were weakened by the plague for night kills and Barks also tried to excalibur-kill you that same night, so you seemed destined to died anyways.

The only quote I successfully got to save was actually from Pippy, which made me chuckle because Village!Barks killed me in England too.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Reading back isos of my neutral reads:

I think cubs tone actually sounds alright wrt to his thoughts.

Genny def seems engaged with the thread , tho Im not sure if I can tell if its town motivated or not ( Maybe 3p?? )

Barks is indeed coasting a bit , as multiple people have pointed out , but Im mildly perturbed by the fact that multiple people have her at the bottom of the list

 

[Chaostrodon]

Man , I collected some quotes and then lost them 🙁

 

[Animal Midwife]

Barks is indeed coasting a bit , as multiple people have pointed out , but Im mildly perturbed by the fact that multiple people have her at the bottom of the list

How does that perturbation make you feel about her affiliation?

 

[Chaostrodon]

So anyway the Barkley Chronology goes something like this ,

Alley says Barkley is sus based on her forgetting she is in the game

Dubz agrees and subsequently puts Barkley at the bottom of the list

Shorty has barks at the bottom of her read list , If she has provided an explanation for this , I have missed it.

And then AM and Zenge both have Barks just above me in the read list , and AM hasnt given an explanation yet , (again unless I missed it)

 

[Animal Midwife]

So anyway the Barkley Chronology goes something like this ,

Alley says Barkley is sus based on her forgetting she is in the game

Dubz agrees and subsequently puts Barkley at the bottom of the list

Shorty has barks at the bottom of her read list , If she has provided an explanation for this , I have missed it.

And then AM and Zenge both have Barks just above me in the read list , and AM hasnt given an explanation yet , (again unless I missed it)

It's primarily due to where others are positioned in the list.

 

[Chaostrodon]

So I think Dubz/Bark and Shorty/Bark are unlikely. Bark / AM makes sense , and then Bark / Genny makes sense

Hmmm...

 

[supershorty]

So anyway the Barkley Chronology goes something like this ,

Alley says Barkley is sus based on her forgetting she is in the game

Dubz agrees and subsequently puts Barkley at the bottom of the list

Shorty has barks at the bottom of her read list , If she has provided an explanation for this , I have missed it.

And then AM and Zenge both have Barks just above me in the read list , and AM hasnt given an explanation yet , (again unless I missed it)

Hm, I provided one. Might want to read back. Also, I said that my reads weren't ordered unless specified, which was only my neutrals section.

Not sure what to think of Chaos' play so far. I don't remember him missing details and misstating things as many times as he has this game (or at least I don't recall making note of it before). I can't say it feels wolfy vs villagey, it just is different from what I've seen from him before.

 

[Chaostrodon]

It's primarily due to where others are positioned in the list.

Huh?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Huh?

Huh what?

 

[supershorty]

Well you said me not knowing what you meant was a "data point" for you. Meaning thats likely contributing to your evaluation of me, causing you to lean me one way or the other.

More of a "Hmm. Interesting." for me than anything else.

Yeah, I agree with Dubz here. It's more that it's playing into a hypothesis I have about the game setup than it's making me lean you one way vs another.

 

[genny]

So I think Dubz/Bark and Shorty/Bark are unlikely. Bark / AM makes sense , and then Bark / Genny makes sense

Hmmm...

Us Iowa transplants have to stick together. The pigs outnumber us all.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Hm, I provided one. Might want to read back. Also, I said that my reads weren't ordered unless specified, which was only my neutrals section.

Not sure what to think of Chaos' play so far. I don't remember him missing details and misstating things as many times as he has this game (or at least I don't recall making note of it before). I can't say it feels wolfy vs villagey, it just is different from what I've seen from him before.

I didnt say they were , I only said she was placed at the bottom.

If you are referring to me saying you havent given an explanation , Well I clearly added a disclaimer coz I tend to miss posts during isos

 

[supershorty]

Man , I collected some quotes and then lost them 🙁

Each time they "update" the forum, it gets worse about stuff like this (or any post with a lot of formatting in it - write ups, etc.). It's why I didn't post quotes from Barks' previous games I was looking at - the forum kept eating them.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Huh what?

That sentence doesnt make a lot of sense to me. You find her scummy coz the others are townier??

 

[Animal Midwife]

That sentence doesnt make a lot of sense to me. You find her scummy coz the others are townier??

Yes.

 

[Chaostrodon]

I find him hard to read. Nothing he’s said so far has seemed all that wolfy, and I think the push toward him is interesting since it’s a push that generally has less resistance.

Its interesting to me too . The people sussing me are all the ones that I found scummy and then there is Zenge whose train of reasoning I dont quite follow but I feel he is stuck in some sort of confirmation bias.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Well ok then , AM/Bark is making a bit of sense considering that answer and her vote for me. The other viable scumteam I think could be shorty / dubz

 

[Chaostrodon]

Btw , who was it that posted a d1 vote tracker ? I vaguely remember seeing one floating by

 

[supershorty]

Well ok then , AM/Bark is making a bit of sense considering that answer and her vote for me. The other viable scumteam I think could be shorty / dubz

I don't understand what your issue is with her answer. I've had people end up in my POE before because others gave me reason to remove them and that particular person didn't.

 

[supershorty]

Btw , who was it that posted a d1 vote tracker ? I vaguely remember seeing one floating by

That was me, hang on, I'll find it.

 

[supershorty]

My tablet's doing that thing where it won't save my crops on the screenshots, so y'all get to see that I have Reddit and Facebook open I guess.

I also stopped keeping track of the bounties after a while because I couldn't live-update them anyway, I had to get them from kd's tallies. If we decide it would be helpful, I can do them in future ones.

Spoiler: Day 1 Vote Tracker

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@Chaostrodon

 

[Animal Midwife]

Its interesting to me too . The people sussing me are all the ones that I found scummy and then there is Zenge whose train of reasoning I dont quite follow but I feel he is stuck in some sort of confirmation bias.

I don't remember you ever mentioning me as scummy.

You voted me as a reaction test before joining me on a wagon later in the day. Then you followed up by saying one in dubz/me/shorty was being fooled for strongly village reading each other.

 

[Chaostrodon]

I don't understand what your issue is with her answer. I've had people end up in my POE before because others gave me reason to remove them and that particular person didn't.

The point is that she doesnt have an answer. Im checking for scumteam viability here and not scumminess . so I dont have an issue with the answer in the sense that you are assuming.

 

[Chaostrodon]

I don't remember you ever mentioning me as scummy.

You voted me as a reaction test before joining me on a wagon later in the day. Then you followed up by saying one in dubz/me/shorty was being fooled for strongly village reading each other.

I did mention I found you to be cautious

 

[Animal Midwife]

The point is that she doesnt have an answer. Im checking for scumteam viability here and not scumminess . so I dont have an issue with the answer in the sense that you are assuming.

I fail to see how "everyone else feels more likely to be a villager" is not an answer.

As a side note, how do you check for scum team viability without seeing if someone makes sense a wolf first?

I did mention I found you to be cautious

Cautious is not an affiliation. I would like this list updated with the affiliation read next to it.

Heres reads :

Dubz : High volume , low signal d1 as I explained before. I dont like that she has a retaliatory read on me just bc I voted her and then moved off , even tho I mentioned the main reason I moved off was bc of what kd said. Maybe I shouldnt put that much stock into what kd said

Shorty : Something about her seems off , and I dont completely buy the mkg aggression

AM: Is being more reserved , being more careful with what she is posting .

And ofc the three of you are hard tr ing each other like in most other games. So I expect atleast one of you is going to be very surprised.

I dont think Cubs making a bounty w/o posting is as big of a deal as most people think. I dont think vis comments on mkg were that big of a deal either.

Currently null on cubs , genny and barks. Everyone else is a slight tr

 

[Animal Midwife]

I also have to wonder if this is a bit of projecting because despite mentioning Barks you only have ever said she's null and that she could be compatible with people. Not once have you said you're individually wolf reading her or why she's in your POE.

 

[Chaostrodon]

I fail to see how "everyone else feels more likely to be a villager" is not an answer.

As a side note, how do you check for scum team viability without seeing if someone makes sense a wolf first?

Cautious is not an affiliation. I would like this list updated with the affiliation read next to it.

I meant you dont have an answer to why you are finding barks scummy.

I think you havent been following my posts correctly. I started off by saying Barks is coasting a bit but I find that way too many people seem to be after her for that reason alone. Which means , its unlikely for her to be in a team , which is why I started checking for scumteam viability with barks in it

 

[Animal Midwife]

I meant you dont have an answer to why you are finding barks scummy.

That is literally my answer. If I didn't have an answer I'd say "I don't know" or ignore the question in specific circumstances.

I think you havent been following my posts correctly. I started off by saying Barks is coasting a bit but I find that way too many people seem to be after her for that reason alone. Which means , its unlikely for her to be in a team , which is why I started checking for scumteam viability with barks in it

This is an oxymoron and still doesn't say why you're scum reading her if you think coasting isn't a strong enough reason.

 

[kaydubs]

DAY 2: WHY DID NO ONE DIE VOTE TALLY

Barks (1) - shorty
Chaos (1) - AM
Vis (1) - genny

3 of 10 players voted

Missing: ???

~*BOUNTY BOARD*~
Barks (1)

Vote/yeet closes at 10pm Eastern/9pm Central/7pm Fantasyland on Friday, 1/14/2022 (~4.25 hours)

 

[Chaostrodon]

That is literally my answer. If I didn't have an answer I'd say "I don't know" or ignore the question in specific circumstances.

This is an oxymoron and still doesn't say why you're scum reading her if you think coasting isn't a strong enough reason.

I am looking for an answer to "Why do you find Barks scummy"
What you gave was an answer to "Why is Barks low on the list". its not the same.

I dont see why my opinion is paradoxical . I do think coasting can be scummy but I also do think there are very few eligible scumpartners for that individual.

 

[kaydubs]

Just caught up on tallying, if anyone directed a question at me, plz direct again with a tag.

 

[Viscernable]

I’m very unsure how I feel about Barks. I don’t see what alley is seeing in terms of meta, but I haven’t reviewed any games where she was wolfing. I feel like she acted very differently in CYO II, but in that game I think she also acted out of the norm for her wolf self. I don’t like her reasoning on Z that I’ve seen so far, but the rest of her posts have felt decent to me. E.g. I agree with her post below (I think the referenced posts sound weirdly disengaged from wolfhunting and artificially agreeable… it seems weird to me for a villager to crowdsource their vote/bounty).

It was mainly these posts about his chaos bounty. Not for any specific reason I can point to, I just felt weird about them

 

[Animal Midwife]

I am looking for an answer to "Why do you find Barks scummy"
What you gave was an answer to "Why is Barks low on the list". its not the same.

It is the same. If someone is low on the list, it means they're in my POE and I am wolf reading them.

I dont see why my opinion is paradoxical . I do think coasting can be scummy but I also do think there are very few eligible scumpartners for that individual.

You said Barks is coasting. Then you said you're uncomfortable with that being a reason for her being scumread strongly. After that, you said so many people scumreading her makes her unlikely to be a wolf. Finally, you said you're looking for people who are compatible with wolf!Barks.

It's whiplash.

 

[supershorty]

I’m very unsure how I feel about Barks. I don’t see what alley is seeing in terms of meta, but I haven’t reviewed any games where she was wolfing. I feel like she acted very differently in CYO II, but in that game I think she also acted out of the norm for her wolf self. I don’t like her reasoning on Z that I’ve seen so far, but the rest of her posts have felt decent to me. E.g. I agree with her post below (I think the referenced posts sound weirdly disengaged from wolfhunting and artificially agreeable… it seems weird to me for a villager to crowdsource their vote/bounty).

Barks didn't play CYO II (why is that the game that people keep referencing incorrectly in this game? That's the second time!). She wolfed in Emojis, LaWWpy, and WWedding this year.

I'm curious which game you're actually referring to here, though, as I thought her wolf play in those 3 games I mentioned was quite similar. What do you think is the norm for her wolf self?

 

[Viscernable]

My tablet's doing that thing where it won't save my crops on the screenshots, so y'all get to see that I have Reddit and Facebook open I guess.

I also stopped keeping track of the bounties after a while because I couldn't live-update them anyway, I had to get them from kd's tallies. If we decide it would be helpful, I can do them in future ones.

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My current tinfoil is that bountying was used partially because we don’t know what it does so it isn’t as useful for VCA - the ultimate way to be inconspicuous. Thinking more about cubs than Dubz for this, because I think cubs was the one that brought something like that up (will look for the post I’m thinking of), because of my general reads on them, and because I think Dubz would be more loathe to give up vote power as a wolf/cubs has more of a distancing voting strategy. I got an initial village ping from cubs seeming uncaring about carefully using mechanics strategically or about optics of brashly experimenting with mechanics, but that was just a small ping, I’m now thinking I can see a wolfy motivation for it, and I didn’t like how he handled the bounty later in the day.

 

[Viscernable]

Yeet cubs

Is where I’m at currently I guess. Still not getting any strong leanings anywhere.

 

[Viscernable]

I felt weird about genny voting me twice without having actually tried to push me or question me, but on ISOing her I can see her progression finding me wolfy D1 -> I was not yeeted -> still wants to flip me, and I feel like I’ve belaboured my defense enough that it’s not strange she has no other questions. My recollection is village genny doesn’t directly engage her wolf reads a ton, anyways.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I’m very unsure how I feel about Barks. I don’t see what alley is seeing in terms of meta, but I haven’t reviewed any games where she was wolfing. I feel like she acted very differently in CYO II, but in that game I think she also acted out of the norm for her wolf self. I don’t like her reasoning on Z that I’ve seen so far, but the rest of her posts have felt decent to me. E.g. I agree with her post below (I think the referenced posts sound weirdly disengaged from wolfhunting and artificially agreeable… it seems weird to me for a villager to crowdsource their vote/bounty).

How is "crowdsourcing" a bounty any different than the "crowdsourcing" of AM's vig shot, just in the last game, especially when we are unsure of the boutny mechanics?

 

[cubsrule4e]

Yeet cubs

Is where I’m at currently I guess. Still not getting any strong leanings anywhere.

This is just fine. *inserts gif*

 

[cubsrule4e]

My current tinfoil is that bountying was used partially because we don’t know what it does so it isn’t as useful for VCA - the ultimate way to be inconspicuous. Thinking more about cubs than Dubz for this, because I think cubs was the one that brought something like that up (will look for the post I’m thinking of), because of my general reads on them, and because I think Dubz would be more loathe to give up vote power as a wolf/cubs has more of a distancing voting strategy. I got an initial village ping from cubs seeming uncaring about carefully using mechanics strategically or about optics of brashly experimenting with mechanics, but that was just a small ping, I’m now thinking I can see a wolfy motivation for it, and I didn’t like how he handled the bounty later in the day.

Yeet cubs

for now. Got some tingly feels.

I can be the first yeet guinea pig, its all good. But im gonna keep my bounty out. Whats the fun in just straight yeeting?

I continue to uncare, for the record.

 

[Viscernable]

So wait… there’s one person who yeeted AND bountied on a technicality? Now that’s the wolfiest person in my opinion. It’s probably genny, she’s good with loopholes and went quiet all pre-close hours.

Why is that wolfy?

Does that not potentially give you more input/control in how the game is going to go? Do you think it’s villagey?

It doesn’t seem tied to one affiliation to me. Villagers should want control of the game just as much as wolves.

Oh sure, I don't know if the role reads one way or the other, I was talking about usage (which I thought was what cubs was calling wolfy too)

Yes thats what I was referring to. Dubz and I came out on thread and talked about bounties. This person had already been voting then had to actively had been looking for a way to also place a bounty, cause why bother if the rule was either/or? Then it just appeared and we have no idea why. Im wondering if tots have some kind of collective engagement in this game? Is that a crazy thought?

I can follow this reasoning for why it’s distinctly wolfy but it just seems shaky to me. I’m suspicious wolf!cubs would call it out either for distancing if it was by a packmate or because he was threatened by a villager getting more control and wanted to fish for their role and pre-emptively try to turn sus back on them.

 

[Viscernable]

How is "crowdsourcing" a bounty any different than the "crowdsourcing" of AM's vig shot, just in the last game, especially when we are unsure of the boutny mechanics?

Good question. The context feels somewhat different to me, I think because my reading of AM’s intent was to gather input, take it into account as well as her reads of who it was coming from, and use that to inform her own choice, and then followed through on using her shot to kill a wolf, vs you seemed to want to abdicate all responsibility and in the end, didn’t try to use your bounty to wolfhunt (leaving it on chaos who you weren’t reading wolf). I also don’t claim it’s something a villager would NEVER do, but it feels more likely for a wolf to do than a villager.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I can follow this reasoning for why it’s distinctly wolfy but it just seems shaky to me. I’m suspicious wolf!cubs would call it out either for distancing if it was by a packmate or because he was threatened by a villager getting more control and wanted to fish for their role and pre-emptively try to turn sus back on them.

Apparently everything about me is shaky. 2 better quality players, and in fact, genny herself, told me that genny is not the way to go. So im kind of in your position now, stuck with nowhere to go. So if a Cubs yeet helps thin the herd because my reasoning on something wasnt good enough, then im probably more of a detriment at this point anyway.

I will point out that unlike you, I do see the Barks meta pattern that alley has been pointing out. So if nothing else, I guess that might be where my vote ends up going?

 

[cubsrule4e]

Good question. The context feels somewhat different to me, I think because my reading of AM’s intent was to gather input, take it into account as well as her reads of who it was coming from, and use that to inform her own choice, and then followed through on using her shot to kill a wolf, vs you seemed to want to abdicate all responsibility and in the end, didn’t try to use your bounty to wolfhunt (leaving it on chaos who you weren’t reading wolf). I also don’t claim it’s something a villager would NEVER do, but it feels more likely for a wolf to do than a villager.

Please show me where I "abdicated all responsibility." How can you use something to wolfhunt when you dont even know how it works? Youll also see I havent placed a bounty or yeet vote because Im trying to be more "responsible" this cycle since I know I cant switch back and forth. I dunno, that assessment seems slightly unfair given the circumstances. If we knew what the mechanics were at that time, then sure, I can see a critique of it to be more relevant.

 

[cubsrule4e]

This is starting to drive me a little batty lol

Spoiler: Bowwnty or BoWWling?

 

[alleycat03]

Sorry, I totally forgot to do this earlier

Yeet barks

 

[supershorty]

Barks didn't play CYO II (why is that the game that people keep referencing incorrectly in this game? That's the second time!). She wolfed in Emojis, LaWWpy, and WWedding this year.

I'm curious which game you're actually referring to here, though, as I thought her wolf play in those 3 games I mentioned was quite similar. What do you think is the norm for her wolf self?

Hey @Viscernable, can you answer this please?