CHOOSE YOUR OWWN II - Game Thread

[supershorty]

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I disagree. A fair amount of her analysis was based in discarding that particular ability with the discarded affiliation, which isn't how it works here since (barring duplicates) the discards aren't possible roles for those people.

Okay, I see what you're saying here (although the discards would have been possible roles if they'd kept them and had others of the same affiliation. Like I discarded town roleblocker, and by itself, it obviously wouldn't be my role since we had to pick aff or ability, but since I had other town options, I could have kept roleblocker and used another role for the town part). But I think I see what you're getting at - that she was analyzing it all as one role and not thinking about that it had to be fragmented.

Is that an accurate interpretation?

 

[WildZoo]

Youre trying to make the same point as me. But I'm not referring to wall posts, i said bloc posts, as in like one longer paragraph or two of reads/commentary. Or a full ordered reads list. Not single post by post activity, just like youre saying she doesnt do huge quote wall posts either.

Yes, I used to do catch up post like that in larger blocks, usually Page by Page or something like that, but I find that more cumbersome now with how the quote function works, especially on mobile. That was my whole point, is that I've been doing things more this way for a while, and you just don't know that because you haven't played with me enough recently.

 

[WildZoo]

Okay, I see what you're saying here (although the discards would have been possible roles if they'd kept them and had others of the same affiliation. Like I discarded town roleblocker, and by itself, it obviously wouldn't be my role since we had to pick aff or ability, but since I had other town options, I could have kept roleblocker and used another role for the town part). But I think I see what you're getting at - that she was analyzing it all as one role and not thinking about that it had to be fragmented.

Is that an accurate interpretation?

Yes

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (1) - Zenge
dubz (3) - Dina, cubs, alley
Vis (2) - sunshine, DubZ
Dina () -
sunshine (1) - Coop
cubs (1) - chaos
Zenge (1) - Vis

9/11
yeet close in ~6.5 hours

 

[Viscernable]

Why?

It would be a weird strategy to see that you and your partner are the only people who haven’t voted yet and start yelling about it on thread, imo

 

[Zenge142]

I haven’t gotten vibes I usually do from village Z, I agree with shorty that he’s stretched people’s words, and his interactions about cubs really bother me (see my previous posts today). I’m also up for a Coops or cubs flip but I think overall I feel worst about Z.

unvote Coop
Vote Z

That’s funny. I was thinking about moving my vote to you. I did not like the flippant way you were terrified by my post, but then felt comfortable sheeping me onto a Coop vote.

I especially don’t like the dismissive way in which you addressed the situation and then, moved your vote to me as retribution for becoming suspicious of you and asking questions.

 

[Viscernable]

That’s funny. I was thinking about moving my vote to you. I did not like the flippant way you were terrified by my post, but then felt comfortable sheeping me onto a Coop vote.

I especially don’t like the dismissive way in which you addressed the situation and then, moved your vote to me as retribution for becoming suspicious of you and asking questions.

Can you explain to me why I should be concerned about voting with my scumreads in a multiball game?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

hey yall sorry i haven't been super active my brain has been pretty foggy for the past couple of days from stress. I'm rereading from my last catch up (~p14)

this is p14-16 but it was getting long

Having also wolfed with Vis, and more recently, when she wasn’t busy, she has gotten better. She’s in my neutrals at the moment. I just want to watch her more closely, because I know she can be a powerful wolf who can look very village.

hmmm taking this with a grain of salt. like into consideration bc i haven't seen visc wolf too recently, but i also gotta like trust my own expirience

Dubz is where she is because I don’t see a lot that presently concerns me. Not enough to move her into village, but nothing outside of what I would expect to see coming from village Dubz.

sorry im not understanding
are you saying you started dubz off as base village neutral?
bc this reads to me like she hasn't moved from your base read- (the part thats like nothing either way) which to me means true neutral.

Generally when village!Zenge has a vote, he's had some critical thinking on thread where you can see how he's getting to his conclusions.

i agree with this and z is actually making me a lot more nervous. im not vibing with his reads, and he's not making much sense in how hes explaining things. both of which dont really happen with village z.

I reacted to her posts with “okays” and “laughs”. But as far as “not” being reactive towards the vote, I had already posted about her before she even voted me. I didn’t see the need to repeat myself, especially when she was someone being widely read as playing in a goofy way. Didn’t think it would catch on and only planned to care if it somehow magically did.

but see this isn't usually how that goes imo. I'm used to you defending yourself pretty fervently before people even start voting you, and i think part of that hasn't happened bc yes you're very busy rn but also you've been here and haven't done it

Vote cubsrule, coz I still havent had a satisfactory explanation so far

explanation to what?

Oh dang I did not realize please and I were the only people who hadn’t voted yet.

now that we've entered majority i try to be much much more careful w my vote esp bc idk the state of the tally rn) . and im normally a late voter anyway lol

she did react how I’d expect but in a more muted way

hmmmm i didn't think of it as a more turned down version of the normal reaction
not completely discounting it but this is a good point

lol get over it. Ive explained it 64 times. Then dubz even explained it again for you. And youre clearly not even at the top of my list right now. But the fact that you cant seem to let it go/continue to pretend you dont understand makes me feel like theres something to what I said, and maybe makes you feel like you have to keep "Defending" a point I made early-mid D1?

pssst what are they talking about? explain what?

And actually, I'd like to get the class' thoughts on this.

i mean it feels a little tunnely imo

Also @Coopah that triple shot latte thing was a MISTAKE

caffeine is never a mistake

 

[supershorty]

That’s funny. I was thinking about moving my vote to you. I did not like the flippant way you were terrified by my post, but then felt comfortable sheeping me onto a Coop vote.

I especially don’t like the dismissive way in which you addressed the situation and then, moved your vote to me as retribution for becoming suspicious of you and asking questions.

Was it sheeping?

From my spreadsheet, I have your vote on Coop at 11:21 AM yesterday, with reasoning: "Super not helpful with game solving. There’s making a few jokes on thread while playing the game and then there’s this. People have said they think Coop would be likely to take a scum role if given the option. The weird scum calls on me and Sunny with not just no reasoning but a refusal to discuss reasoning was notable."

Vissy voted Coop at 2:42 PM yesterday, with reasoning: "tense-sounding entrance and editing of fluff, fishing, performance playing up not understanding, and extensive trolling avoiding working with town"

 

[supershorty]

@Viscernable and @cubsrule4e (and anyone else interested), I went back to Bioshock to get the Chaos/LIS interactions. I'm not going to quote them here because there's like 3 pages of it and I've done more than enough wall posts today tyvm, but this link should take you to them if you want to compare to this thread.

 

[Zenge142]

what info do you feel we got from Stagg's yeet?

I was making the same mistake Ally was when I posted that, in thinking we’d gotten a wolf. It’s meaningless now. We’re essentially on D1 still.

@Zenge142, it's a tunnel NOW, but it wasn't then.

Agree to disagree. It’s subjective.

why would he then scum-lean Chaos based on his ... participation?

It’s not just that, it’s also now his interactions with other players. Like his Cubs tunnel. But even if it was that, I don’t see what this issue is. This isn’t the chaos I’m used to seeing. What part of me saying “jeeze this is a different Chaos than I’ve seen before when he’s village, maybe I should keep a close eye” has you scum reading me?

I hate that it feels like some people want to scum-lean him primarily for posting more.

Theres a difference between saying “let’s vote him out right now because he’s participating more” and saying “his increase in participation is noteworthy and I’d like to make a note of it and monitor the change. It’s basic pattern recognition. I’ve seen him do one thing as village. Now I’m seeing him do another and wondering if he’s not village. I’m not currently voting for him. I’m not calling for his head. I just want to note the change and monitor the situation.

This still really, really bothers me. He literally had not said Stagg's name ONCE.

So? Was Stagg sketch, yes or no? I believed wonder so I had to leave that vote. I did and was looking for somewhere else to vote. Stagg was sketch, and I was village reading you and felt “okay” enough about alley that I knew at the very least in a worse case scenario, voting Stagg out meant this game wouldn’t become a repeat of RvB where people’s inability to move past Stagg’s sketch clogged the thread and stalled the game.

 

[supershorty]

Agree to disagree. It’s subjective.

It's really not as subjective as you're acting, though. It feels like you getting butthurt because I'm alive and not village leaning you for once. How many times have you seen me press people for answers when I know they're on the thread? Plenty. It just hasn't been you before.

I'm really curious about why you've dropped your whole line of reasoning with the scum discards, and you don't seem to be willing to address that even though multiple people have asked you about it.

 

[Zenge142]

Can you explain to me why I should be concerned about voting with my scumreads in a multiball game?

I think it should still concern you and be a consideration, yes.

 

[supershorty]

I think it should still concern you and be a consideration, yes.

But you didn't think that when I was voting alongside Dubz (and briefly Coop)?

 

[Zenge142]

I'm really curious about why you've dropped your whole line of reasoning with the scum discards, and you don't seem to be willing to address that even though multiple people have asked you about it.

Point me to a single question anyone has asked me about that that I haven’t addressed yet and I’ll be happy to answer it.

 

[supershorty]

But you didn't think that when I was voting alongside Dubz (and briefly Coop)?

For reference:

Hmmm I don't like 2 of my scum leans being on the same vote I am.

@Coopah why are you voting Wonder?

I think it’s pretty irrelevant in a multiball game set up like this.

Wat r u doin Zenges

 

[supershorty]

Yeah okay.

Vote Zenge.

because something is way off.

 

[Zenge142]

For reference:




Wat r u doin Zenges

There’s a bit of a difference between the very first vote of the game and a little further into it.

 

[supershorty]

Was it sheeping?

From my spreadsheet, I have your vote on Coop at 11:21 AM yesterday, with reasoning: "Super not helpful with game solving. There’s making a few jokes on thread while playing the game and then there’s this. People have said they think Coop would be likely to take a scum role if given the option. The weird scum calls on me and Sunny with not just no reasoning but a refusal to discuss reasoning was notable."

Vissy voted Coop at 2:42 PM yesterday, with reasoning: "tense-sounding entrance and editing of fluff, fishing, performance playing up not understanding, and extensive trolling avoiding working with town"

@Zenge142

 

[supershorty]

There’s a bit of a difference between the very first vote of the game and a little further into it.

You just said it's "essentially D1" not even 10 minutes ago. Make up your mind.

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142

Are we going to split hairs and debate the definition of sheeping? I’m not sure that’s productive scum hunting.

 

[supershorty]

Are we going to split hairs and debate the definition of sheeping? I’m not sure that’s productive scum hunting.

Ah yes, this is what "being happy to answer people's questions" looks like.

 

[Zenge142]

You just said it's "essentially D1" not even 10 minutes ago. Make up your mind.

That’s in reference specifically to information gained from Stagg’s flip.

The further we get into the game, especially with two dead villagers now, who you vote with should be a more pressing concern.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

The first couple sentences of this post looked really weird to me, like I pointed out before. Like he’s trying to argue the point because he doesn’t like it for some reason, but he doesn’t really have anything to argue. I imagine you wouldn’t like it if your partner is one of the ones with a scum discard.

And then cray gets NKed. Someone pointed out there was some speculation about her having a PR to have discarded vanilla townie, but I don’t fully buy that that was enough to be the full reason she was NKed. This game is probably pretty role madness with lots of important PRs, cray had said in previous roles that she was super relieved to choose vanilla town, and it was also pointed out on thread that there are plenty of ways she still could have chosen vanilla townie even with having that as a discard. I don’t put much weight on N1 NK analysis because usually there’s a lot of randomness to it since it isn’t super clear yet who you’ll want to take to endgame, who you can get yeeted, and who will need to be NKed, but this is another small point that makes me worry about Z and cubs.

im not sure if i agree with visc's opinions here but im liking this series. I'm following logic decently well (not i agree but like i can see how we're getting from point to point)

It's totally fair to say that when your meta-eval is no longer how I play, especially not when I'm busy and have to do a catch-up. Laughable too that you think I'm normally a "cool customer" when I'm been put within two votes of being yoten, especiallh after the amount of time I've spent on this game. But omg go ahead. I am now so much more interesting in seeing everyone here feel stupid than continuing to waste my thumb muscles.

this is making me feel a little better about dubz bc like there are some good points in here

I don't love how this feels when pleasy has put joke votes on me before... although IIRC, she was a wolf when she did that. @vetschoolsletmeinplease, was it actually the vote that bothered you? Or was there something else about it? This was nearing EOD D1, was that part of it?

it was a couple of things
1 that joke vote (the one i did on you) got me a fair amount of heat when i did it if i remember properly, so i kinda learned that joke votes are a no-no. got me wolf read when i was a wolf so like for good reason lol
but yes especially joke votes that aren't the beginning of D1. in general i don't think a joke vote past the first few hours of thread being open are great- when it's someone's first post on the thread and just like opening the game then who cares but beyond that i dont like it .

He could be testy that if I'm misreading him, but the "this felt like a bit of a tunnel" thing when I'd just asked him for reads was ridiculous. @Zenge142, it's a tunnel NOW, but it wasn't then.

sassy shorty is my fav shorty

why?

i'll go back and reply to this in a sec

but then felt comfortable sheeping me onto a Coop vote.

i don't super understand why this is a reason to give wolf points to someone. as far as i see it, unless they're basically confirmed a wolf i don't really take into account if im voting with them especially in a multifaction game.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

i'm not following z's logic at all. anymore. that was a weird thing to ping visc on and i still dont like that reads list.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

It's what you were pointing to you very specifically mentioned me giving reads. I gave you what I have right now and it was still in your reasoning for scum reading me. So.

this interaction between dubz and shorty is feeling a little more v/v to me

why?

i remembered that the last time i saw dubz wolf she didn't give a crap when people were wolfreading her for reasons she didn't seem super valid. the interactions between yall have felt more like village frustration over people kinda like misrepresenting village!dubz in a way that wolf reads her now.
i'm not super village leaning her myself bc shes a very impressive wolf, but these interactions at least didn't feel w/v to me. and i'm pretty like comfortable w my village read of you

 

[Zenge142]

sorry im not understanding
are you saying you started dubz off as base village neutral?
bc this reads to me like she hasn't moved from your base read- (the part thats like nothing either way) which to me means true neutral.

Nothing about Dubz reads like a Scum!Dubz to me. At the time I hadn’t seen a lot village read her for, but nothing that concerned me. Neutral with a village lean.

He latest posts continue to make me lean towards village on my read. Still in neutral, but nothing I’m viewing as scummy.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

oh okay i looked back he only has two so far.

yeet zenge

 

[Zenge142]

i don't super understand why this is a reason to give wolf points to someone. as far as i see it, unless they're basically confirmed a wolf i don't really take into account if im voting with them especially in a multifaction game.

At first it doesn’t matter because multiball. As we get further into the game, it should be a concern.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Nothing about Dubz reads like a Scum!Dubz to me. At the time I hadn’t seen a lot village read her for, but nothing that concerned me. Neutral with a village lean.

okay
so like
on a scale of -10 to 10, 10 being village and negative being wolfy, you start her off at 0 right

Nothing about Dubz reads like a Scum!Dubz to me>> no taking away any point
At the time I hadn’t seen a lot village read her for>> no adding point for her
0-0+0=0
not village lean
so i remain confused about why not split hairs. you had a village neutral pile and a scum neutral pile

i guess it boils down to i don't like that you didn't have a true neutral pile, despite calling someone a neutral in the reads list. it feels like too much wiggle room to go back on what you said

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

At first it doesn’t matter because multiball. As we get further into the game, it should be a concern.

its day 2

its making me wait 4 seconds before i post again🙁

 

[Dinashadow]

I agreed with Dina's Stagg points here, but on reread, the bolded REALLY surprises me. I don't remember Dina being willing to town-lean Cray on D1 before.

I've village read her in early game before, just not lately. Her post about not actively choosing to play scum (especially after last game) seemed genuine to me plus she discarded a town role, so I knew she had the option to play town.

@Dinashadow, do you think 2 scum (or 3, if you want to count Coop) would all pick the same strategy and stick with it when it was clear other people were doing it too?

If they were in a "pack" together it's unlikely. Difficult to say in a game with multiple scum factions and 3Ps.

Also, I would say cubs has moved slightly less scummy to me. There's still some things that are bothering me, most recently it's his zenge read and zenge's slight defense of him earlier in the game, but I would want to flip zenge first before I came back to that thought.

@Dinashadow how do you feel about him not staying on the Wonder vote? The only people who ended the day there were Dubz and Chaos.

I think it's NAI. It makes sense to do as village. As scum, I think it draws extra attention to you if you're sitting on a village vote at end of day especially after they've revealed a strong village role.

@supershorty let me know if I missed anything you wanted me to respond to

 

[Zenge142]

okay
so like
on a scale of -10 to 10, 10 being village and negative being wolfy, you start her off at 0 right

Nothing about Dubz reads like a Scum!Dubz to me>> no taking away any point
At the time I hadn’t seen a lot village read her for>> no adding point for her
0-0+0=0
not village lean
so i remain confused about why not split hairs. you had a village neutral pile and a scum neutral pile

i guess it boils down to i don't like that you didn't have a true neutral pile, despite calling someone a neutral in the reads list. it feels like too much wiggle room to go back on what you said

I mean….okay, but if I had said all the people in my neutral pile were just flat neutral and I had no opinion about them, that would have been a concern too.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Ugh... you people are really starting to make me doubt my dubz read.

 

[WildZoo]

Ugh... you people are really starting to make me doubt my dubz read.

It's ok, grandson. Let village!dubz into your heart where she belongs.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

for what its worth
bolded to see colors better

shorty>alley>visc>cubs>dubz>dina=chaos>sunny>coopah>zenge

*edited to attempt to heal retinas

 

[sunshinefl]

I hope we see more from @Dinashadow and @sunshinefl today. Looking at the total number of posts on the thread, they’re both the lowest with ~6x fewer posts than the highest poster.

Good thing I only need 5 😉

To be honest I'm more than a little offended that you guys are somehow reading me more scummy than the person who was actively trying to die for an entire day and then finally decided to make a couple posts that were actually on topic before going back to trolling. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Well because day 1 when she was actively playing like that, we were worried yeeting her would be meeting her wincon

 

[Zenge142]

i guess it boils down to i don't like that you didn't have a true neutral pile,

for what its worth
bolded to see colors better

shorty>alley>visc>cubs>dubz>dina=chaos>sunny>coopah>zenge

Glass houses pleasy.

 

[Dinashadow]

Oh wait @supershorty I missed your question about vis regarding her seeming to "flounder" yesterday. I was referring to her interactions with coop & dubz starting around post #641

How do you feel about wonder asking it? The question itself I feel is kind of pointless (both choices would give the same result for alley and she has to choose one so I don’t understand nitpicking which one she chose), but I can definitely see its value as a little pressure test. On the other hand, putting someone on the defensive trying to get them to justify their role choices looks like a good fishing technique. So I’m kinda split.

where she seemed to not know wonder was NK'd and then progressing into dubz questioning her about giving cubs scum points for something Vis acknowledged as a joke. I wasn't following her logic during the exchange like I had been most of the game, hence why it gave me the impression of "floundering", plus the whole Wonder thing.

Also vis trying to take more of the ticky tack stuff (like me throwing "shade" at shorty) and trying to make it into a bigger deal than it is, is bothersome. And I dont know where this sudden take off of me/zenge being a scum pair came from. I see what shes saying about some of his posts being pro-cubs/slight defenses of me, but I dont see anything substantial to lead to a conclusion that we could be working together, especially when there's at least 3-4 factions in play right now.

Where are you on Vis right now? If you commented about it somewhere already let me know, been a lot of discussion this AM.

I liked her contributions yesterday. It felt like she was scum hunting and I was agreeing with her posts. I do think she is floundering a bit today under the pressure. I don't know what to make of the fact that she didn't seem aware Wonder was NK'd. I guess I'm village reading her less than I was this morning, but not scum reading her.

I still feel this way ^^

I'm kinda in agreement with her about zenge defending you and seeing some slight buddying. I'm just not sure if it means you guys are in a pack together.

I'm not really seeing the heavy sus she's currently getting tbh

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Glass houses pleasy.

boy yellow is true neutral
i got 2 in my true neutral

 

[cubsrule4e]

for what its worth
bolded to see colors better

shorty>alley>visc>cubs>dubz>dina=chaos>sunny>coopah>zenge

dina and someone else are burning my retinas

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

dina and someone else are burning my retinas

im sorry i cound't find a yellow that didn't look too orange and then you couldn't see the pastel yellow🙁
at least the gradient is pretty

 

[supershorty]

dina and someone else are burning my retinas

Chaos.

 

[Zenge142]

boy yellow is true neutral
i got 2 in my true neutral

Which yellow is yellow? I’m looking at green-yellow, yellow-green, goldenrod, sunflower yellow, and summer squash.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Which yellow is yellow? I’m looking at green-yellow, yellow-green, goldenrod, sunflower yellow, and summer squash.

F3F08D 😡

 

[Dinashadow]

dina and someone else are burning my retinas

I'm sorry I have such a bright personality that I deserve the brightest yellow

that's why you did it, right pleasey?

 

[Zenge142]

F3F08D 😡

Which one am I?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Which one am I?

ff9900

 

[Zenge142]

ff9900

Can I request 24de0b

 

[supershorty]

Good thing I only need 5 😉

Whoa, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen sunny use an emoji in a game. Residency changes you…