CHOOSE YOUR OWWN II - Game Thread

[Viscernable]

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Strange how you list stagg's opening vote for alley as salt, but leave mine open for interpretation, when it was clearly for the same reason.

Getting a bit shady (before someone comes in with “there’s no shade there”, I’m inferring from “strange” that the implication is supposed to be that shorty is purposefully/nefariously trying to misrepresent him) with shorty who is scumreading z

Town-leaning:
shorty, vis, schools (?)

Neutral:
sunny, alley, zenge, chaos

Scum-leaning
WZ, Coop, cubs

Some random thoughts:

Less sure about schools, I think she would prefer to take a town role, but there's a chance she wasn't offered one

Not sure what to make of chaos, his play at the beginning of the game seemed very town and not something scum would do, but I'm feeling paranoid

Not getting any zenge village vibes yet which is a little concerning

Dubz play has seemed off since yesterday, like I'm not getting any scum-hunting vibes from her. Her wonder vote and then comment about people following her onto the vote was weird.

I've seen coop play similarly to how she is now, but I remember her being a little more serious about the game. It's been a long time since I played with her though.

I have the same thoughts about cubs as I did yesterday. I said yesterday I was was scum reading stagg and cubs for similar reasons and now that stagg has flipped non-town I'm keeping cubs in my scum leans for now.

I dont remember you actually giving any kind of full answer to my question to you about why is it not reasonable for me having never played with chaos, and also only playing my 2nd CYO game, to legitimately have slight misunderstandings about what was going on, especially with the backwards-than-usual verbage that was being used in regards to roles, affiliations, and abilities.

Cubs again responding to someone concerned about Z (and scumreading himself) with shade.

Dinashadow: Haven’t seen very much but I’m slightly leaning scum. I thought the Cubs vote was a little weird and the pushback I got from asking about it felt off.

And a complementary Dina scumread by Z for her cubs vote.

 

[Viscernable]

In general I'm going to think people who discarded a town role did so because they have another town role to draw alignment from. So I'm eyeballing those who discarded scum roles harder, because while they may have discarded a scum role for town roles, they also may not have had the choice to be town and had all scum to pick from. Main issue with this thinking has to do with in what cases did someone favor scum over town.

Or because they only had town roles to pick from. Just as youre pointing out some people may have only had scum to pick from. I dont remember this much emphasis being placed on discard roles so soon in the game in CYO I. Seems strange that the first thing Chaos wants to do is start revealing.

The first couple sentences of this post looked really weird to me, like I pointed out before. Like he’s trying to argue the point because he doesn’t like it for some reason, but he doesn’t really have anything to argue. I imagine you wouldn’t like it if your partner is one of the ones with a scum discard.

And then cray gets NKed. Someone pointed out there was some speculation about her having a PR to have discarded vanilla townie, but I don’t fully buy that that was enough to be the full reason she was NKed. This game is probably pretty role madness with lots of important PRs, cray had said in previous roles that she was super relieved to choose vanilla town, and it was also pointed out on thread that there are plenty of ways she still could have chosen vanilla townie even with having that as a discard. I don’t put much weight on N1 NK analysis because usually there’s a lot of randomness to it since it isn’t super clear yet who you’ll want to take to endgame, who you can get yeeted, and who will need to be NKed, but this is another small point that makes me worry about Z and cubs.

 

[cubsrule4e]

I'm having a hard time understanding how the people who were reading her top scummy changed their minds

And you continuing to base a meta read of me on what must be games from at least a year ago, but somehow forgetting how much I value wagonomics based around ties? Do better.

Im still scum reading her, but you cant just have one wolfy read, eh? Your extremely defensive reaction (which seems to be mostly directed at shorty) seems odd to me for a normally cool customer. I mean theres really no mechanics stuff going on at the moment, so Im going on interaction, meta, and some feels. And ive played a ton with you, so its not fair to say that just because I havent played in a while, my meta-eval is completely illegitimate. And why are you the only one allowed to create reaction tests/watch wagonomics, etc? I felt like I could get info out of making a play so I did it.

 

[Coopah]

I'm not fully following the point you're trying to make here. The "thinking you have good reasoning" feels like shade, but then the bolded part doesn't feel like it really fits with that. cubs won that superlative because he brought up the possibility of samac being converted, which was right (and no one listened).

Not shade, let me see if I can explain. Dubz was thinking cubs had a good thought process. Cubs had described this as "pro-cubs". Cubs found this suspicious. Which I find weird. Because dubz had been singing cubs' praises basically all last game through mod chat and gave him that award. So I find it weird he's giving her sketch points for it.

 

[supershorty]

You can see where she is in my reads list. But that's not really my point. I'm having a hard time understanding how the people who were reading her top scummy changed their minds based on her minimal content and have apparently only managed to find me even more suspicious. I'm especially having a hard time understanding why you said you were interested in evaluating both of us after d1, but have barely said anything about her since d2 started and tunneled on me instead. It makes little sense to me.

I haven't changed my mind on her. She's at the very bottom of my ranked neutrals - the only people lower on my reads are you and Zenge. Mainly because, like I mentioned before, it's pretty clear to me that she and I have radically different playstyles, and I've misyeeted people before because of that. So I want to see more from her before I put my vote there. If she had continued with solely trolling like she did on D1, then I absolutely would have put my vote there today. I could still be persuaded to move there, nothing she's done has hit me in the face as like "wow, this is super village!", but I'd prefer to see more first because I haven't played with her before.

You've hardly seemed to interact with the vast majority of my content, and have focused on the one part that fits your scum!dubz narrative, even though I've explained it. It is frustrating to have spent as much time on trying to gamesolve as I did yesterday and somehow have that turned around to make me even more scummy. Like I literally can't win, if I don't scumhunt when I'm busy I'm scum, if I scumhunt when I'm not I'm scum.

That's not why I'm scum reading you and you know it. I understand your frustration, and I did feel like your contributions yesterday were better than on D1.

This thread isn't very long. Going to do a reread today and see where I come out.

 

[WildZoo]

Im still scum reading her, but you cant just have one wolfy read, eh? Your extremely defensive reaction (which seems to be mostly directed at shorty) seems odd to me for a normally cool customer. I mean theres really no mechanics stuff going on at the moment, so Im going on interaction, meta, and some feels. And ive played a ton with you, so its not fair to say that just because I havent played in a while, my meta-eval is completely illegitimate. And why are you the only one allowed to create reaction tests/watch wagonomics, etc? I felt like I could get info out of making a play so I did it.

It's totally fair to say that when your meta-eval is no longer how I play, especially not when I'm busy and have to do a catch-up. Laughable too that you think I'm normally a "cool customer" when I'm been put within two votes of being yoten, especiallh after the amount of time I've spent on this game. But omg go ahead. I am now so much more interesting in seeing everyone here feel stupid than continuing to waste my thumb muscles.

 

[supershorty]

Unvote Dubz

So we have a little more buffer for the hammer. I really want to have all of today for discussion and being 2 votes away is making me nervous.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Getting a bit shady

lol ok. Clearly everything I do or say with you is throwing shade, even the completely obvious sarcastic posts sometimes.
in any case, why point out someone's vote is salt but not mine which was the exact same thing? Go read my post and tell me how "yeet alleyx5" as the second post of a game can be interpreted in any other way.

 

[supershorty]

lol ok. Clearly everything I do or say with you is throwing shade, even the completely obvious sarcastic posts sometimes.
in any case, why point out someone's vote is salt but not mine which was the exact same thing? Go read my post and tell me how "yeet alleyx5" as the second post of a game can be interpreted in any other way.

cubs, I literally said that I copy/paste from people's vote posts. From their explanations (if provided), not from the vote itself. That's why the column is labeled as "Justification."

 

[alleycat03]

How do you feel about his vote for Cubs?

I don’t think it makes much sense, but also Cubs is still hanging out in the neutral territory for me, so maybe Chaos sees something I’m missing.

 

[cubsrule4e]

The first couple sentences of this post looked really weird to me, like I pointed out before

And like ive already pointed out before, it was obviously poorly worded on my part since no one got was I was trying to say. It felt like cray was focusing on one possiblity so I brought up the equal and opposite possibility, but then everyone was saying I was just repeating what she has already said. So we just have to settle that we read things differently. Thats why I said it became a moot point, because discussing it over and over will get us nowhere.

 

[cubsrule4e]

cubs, I literally said that I copy/paste from people's vote posts. From their explanations (if provided), not from the vote itself. That's why the column is labeled as "Justification."

Right, and I said thats fair and let it go. Have I brought it up again as you trying to intentionally shade me from that? Nope.

 

[Viscernable]

You can’t dislike my voting with you, and then also attack me for taking into account my feelings about who I would be voting with when making the decision of where to place my vote.

That’s a double standard.

I don’t understand the point being made here. 1) How would that be a double standard? In either case it sounds like the argument being made is that you should vote for your own scumreads instead of worrying at all about where your scumreads and townreads are voting. Which I don’t 100% agree with but it’s logically consistent. 2) Where are shorty or Coop (I’m not sure which one said whatever thing you are referencing since you thought you were replying to shorty here) attacking you for taking feelings about who you’d be voting with into account? Do you mean shorty and Coop not liking you apparently voting for Stagg without any prior posts on him apparently just because your townreads were voting there? Because going from that to “never take feelings on people on wagons in account when voting” is a… stretch.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Unvote Dubz

So we have a little more buffer for the hammer. I really want to have all of today for discussion and being 2 votes away is making me nervous.

Majority is 6 votes, yes? (Not arguing your action, making sure I'm clear on that, since 3 votes doesnt seem in super danger to me)

 

[supershorty]

Majority is 6 votes, yes? (Not arguing your action, making sure I'm clear on that, since 3 votes doesnt seem in super danger to me)

Yes. She had 4 votes before I pulled mine off.

 

[Viscernable]

Okay so can we talk about how you felt about placing your vote the same place mine was after you said this?

Sure. It’s a multiball game. Fin.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (2) - Zenge, Vis
dubz (3) - Dina, cubs, alley
Vis (2) - sunshine, DubZ
Dina () -
sunshine (1) - Coop
cubs (1) - chaos

9/11
yeet close in ~9.5 hours

 

[Viscernable]

Oh dang I did not realize please and I were the only people who hadn’t voted yet.

I can’t see alley pointing this out if she and please were on a team together. I’m not scumreading either of them anyway but want to note this in case one of them looks worse in the future.

 

[Viscernable]

And actually, I'd like to get the class' thoughts on this. Everyone (well, mostly dina and chaos) was saying that my point about chaos asking for roles right out of the gate, being the high poster and telling us what we should/shouldnt be doing, and whatever else felt "manufactured." Does this continued attempt by chaos to have me explain things that I already have multiple times (plus dubz explaining it again for him) not fall into the "manufactured" category? Like Im somehow ignoring his request and that makes me scummy?

Overall I’m reading you scummy and chaos village but his insistence you haven’t explained is a bit much. I’ll think on it.

 

[Viscernable]

I don't think it gives me any info on the cubs half of the interaction, it just reminds me of something I've seen village!Chaos do before. Particularly the repeated pressing for info that the other person feels that they already gave.

Ugh does this mean I have to actually reread a previous game

 

[Dinashadow]

I feel like his play is matching up with last game. People have made comments about me/chaos, but he and shorty had their little tif yesterday. It seemed to concern vis (i think thats who it was) but it didnt really strike me as anything at all. Maybe even just banterish like me and coop were at the start of the game. I guess he's kind of a default village lean right now, since I have higher priority people on the wolfy side.

Do you usually default people into village leans when you're not sure where to place them?

Who are your higher priority people (besides dubz obviously)?

 

[Dinashadow]

Ugh does this mean I have to actually reread a previous game

I mean you could always go and just search chaos' posts, but I do see where shorty is coming from. The way he's acting this game with cubs is within his village meta that I saw in bioshock

 

[Dinashadow]

@Chaostrodon, would like to hear who else you are currently scum reading besides cubs

 

[Coopah]

Also @Coopah that triple shot latte thing was a MISTAKE

REGRET NOTHING

 

[Viscernable]

Not shade, let me see if I can explain. Dubz was thinking cubs had a good thought process. Cubs had described this as "pro-cubs". Cubs found this suspicious. Which I find weird. Because dubz had been singing cubs' praises basically all last game through mod chat and gave him that award. So I find it weird he's giving her sketch points for it.

Well, Dubz obviously knew cubs was village as a mod. As a villager, she doesn’t know if cubs is village. She can think that cubs is a good village player but still be unlikely to village read him early when she villages. I don’t whether it’s true that it’s out of character for village Dubz to village read cubs, and I’m not scumreading Dubz, but I don’t think you’re interpreting his point quite fairly.

 

[Viscernable]

Coop (2) - Zenge, Vis
dubz (4) - shorty, Dina, cubs, alley
Vis (2) - sunshine, DubZ

Man, ya’ll are really mad about the samac conversion, huh

 

[Coopah]

Well, Dubz obviously knew cubs was village as a mod. As a villager, she doesn’t know if cubs is village. She can think that cubs is a good village player but still be unlikely to village read him early when she villages. I don’t whether it’s true that it’s out of character for village Dubz to village read cubs, and I’m not scumreading Dubz, but I don’t think you’re interpreting his point quite fairly.

That's a fair point, but I've played games with them before. It's been a while but that was the example that popped into my brain. Imo cubs tends to think anyone village reading him is scum

 

[Coopah]

Idk man y'all reading scum dubz sounds cray cray to me. I legit don't see it.

 

[WildZoo]

Idk man y'all reading scum dubz sounds cray cray to me. I legit don't see it.

Smh stop trying to pocket me 😛

 

[Coopah]

Smh stop trying to pocket me 😛

Pfft already happened 😉

 

[cubsrule4e]

Not shade, let me see if I can explain. Dubz was thinking cubs had a good thought process. Cubs had described this as "pro-cubs". Cubs found this suspicious. Which I find weird. Because dubz had been singing cubs' praises basically all last game through mod chat and gave him that award. So I find it weird he's giving her sketch points for it.

Srsly? Modding and playing two completely different things. What she says as a mod is just her giving her thoughts. What she says in a game could be true but an attempt to pocket/get me on her side, it could be lies, it could be for any kind of reason.

 

[Viscernable]

I haven’t gotten vibes I usually do from village Z, I agree with shorty that he’s stretched people’s words, and his interactions about cubs really bother me (see my previous posts today). I’m also up for a Coops or cubs flip but I think overall I feel worst about Z.

unvote Coop
Vote Z

 

[cubsrule4e]

Do you usually default people into village leans when you're not sure where to place them?

Who are your higher priority people (besides dubz obviously)?

Coop and Chaos. I keep wanting to actually push chaos a little more village because his tone and interactions have seemed to have calmed down but he just cant let go of our interaction which makes me feel like he's not even attempting to evaluate anyone else so that he at minimum has an obvious wolf read to go after.

Default village just meant I really havent paid much attention to him compared to others, implying nothing is striking me as wolfy at this moment, so im concentrating more on the people I actually have some suspicion over.

Also vis trying to take more of the ticky tack stuff (like me throwing "shade" at shorty) and trying to make it into a bigger deal than it is, is bothersome. And I dont know where this sudden take off of me/zenge being a scum pair came from. I see what shes saying about some of his posts being pro-cubs/slight defenses of me, but I dont see anything substantial to lead to a conclusion that we could be working together, especially when there's at least 3-4 factions in play right now.

Where are you on Vis right now? If you commented about it somewhere already let me know, been a lot of discussion this AM.

 

[supershorty]

So I reread the thread, and wrote a wall post so big that SDN said "shorty pls" and wouldn't let me post it 😆. So I'm going to break it up into parts lol. Here's part 1 of I'm not sure how many yet.

Spoiler: HOLY WALL POST, BATMAN

Idk if I agree with this, at least with Chaos and Please.

Strongman and Ninja are very powerful roles for a scum faction to have.

Could they have gotten something even better? Sure it’s possible. It just seems more likely that they’d pick village roles than they got even better scum roles.

Especially when you break down the dual selection consideration.
Assuming they picked scum, then their other two roles would have to include a PR that’s even better for scum than these, and include another scum affiliation for the affiliation choice.

Seems like a lot to bank on when the more likely answer is just that they picked village roles.

I like this point. This feels like relatively okay logic, particularly the bolded part.

No, but I am finding it very interesting what you and Stagg are trying to make of my discard and why.

Stagg's push on Cray was one of the things that had me putting him toward the bottom of my neutrals. She's replying to Coop here, and this is after Coop's fishing comments that were directed first at me, for discarding town roleblocker, and then kind of at Cray for the discarding vanilla townie.

Ehhhh

If you're looking at this as someone discarded a town affiliation we do not know what abilities they had available to match up with that affiliation. So we don't know if their town option "looked decent" because in a world there that was their only town card, if they chose it they would not be able to use the corresponding ability. So it's not "would they consider some scum roles preferable" to the discard that we see, it's would they consider some scum roles (which is a wide range of stuff here) better than a town role with whatever ability options they had. Which is like. Impossible to even try to parse out. Does anyone really hate being scum enough to choose to be town with a harmful ability (again I haven't looked at the whole list yet but I'm sure such things exist)? I'm not gonna bank on that.

Still think this was a good point and Dubz's best contribution to the whole discard discussion. Not going to go in depth because I talked about that yesterday.

Haven't read anyone's posts yet but just wrote this up when I got home a little while ago from work:

Thoughts on discarded roles:
Discards
shorty - Town Roleblocker : there’s a lot of roles I would take instead of roleblocker. Can screw with villager roles but still interesting choice - not the worst village role, can be helpful at times
Cray - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
please - Mafia Strongman : fairly good mafia role
Vis - Watchlisted Townie : not a good role in general so understandably discarded.
sunshine - Town Conspiracy Theorist : relatively good role. Cop for alien detection. There is a lot of different factions of scum so this is very specific but still could have been good to check for alien roles
alley - Town Nymphomaniac : understandably discarded because who wants to willingly be lovers with someone
dubz - Alien Prober : extremely suspicious that WZ did not choose this. I could see her choosing 3P over alien (doesn’t mean not village aligned but….) Last CYO she chose to be Judas (3P village aligned that turns Mafia if killed)
Stagg - Tentacled Townie : terrible role so understandably discarded
Zenge - Werewolf Gravedigger : terrible role so understandably discarded
Dina - Hirsute Goon : slightly worse vanilla mafia goon role
Coop - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
Wonder - Vanilla Townie: can mean anything
cubs - Alien Mass Redirector : pretty cool role. Wonder if he had a better choice/chose a village role because of the number of rerolls we had. Slight sus that did not take this.
Chaos - Ninja Werewolf : good wolf role. Slight sus that did not take this role.

Reasons I can think of for discarding good scum roles:
- after 3 rerolls, chose village so don't have to reroll again
- had a better scum role choice
- would rather be village in general
- had a better village role choice
- made a bad choice/choose a worse role

Wonder's paraphrasing FTF from CYO the first’s dead chat to keep in mind:
Reasons for discarding a good village role:

• Other choice was a better village role
• player would rather play scum
• Had a better scum role
• Choose a bad town role/made bad choice

edit to say I made an addendum in a later post explaining I wrote this forgetting that this is differently structured than last CYO game.

When I wrote my last post, I didn’t consider that this was a differently structured game from last CYO where we were only given 2 cards to pick from and the card we choose was our alignment and ability. Stand by my thoughts that we should still analyze any info we have including discards. Different value from last CYO but still gets us talking. As a town, we need to use all the info that we have available. It is public info so we should utilize it and is more info than we would get from a normal D1. Better than only joke/salt votes. players analyze discards => questions => players answering => more discussion and less fluff early on => 🙂

Interesting because I feel like the structural differences between CYO I and CYO II wouldn't really affect the kind of analysis she did here all that much. I mean, yes, everyone's ultimate aff + ability combo came from a combination of 2 roles, but I think the basic principles that she was considering looking at the discards wouldn't really be altered.

Though cubs, stagg, wonder, and alley have all been around since chaos asked about alignment cards, so. Hmm.

I'm a little weirded out by wonder making that whole post about analyzing the discards and somehow forgetting how this game was structured. Now, of course either town or scum is going to know that information, but it seems to me that town actually trying to solve the game would be less likely to forget. Town mindset is solving, scum mindset is looking like solving. Hopefully that makes sense, I haven't had my coffee yet.

yeet wonder

Yeah, I agreed with this at the time, and thought it was a good point about the different mindsets. Looking back at Wonder's posts above though, I'm still left with this question of how the discard analysis would really be all that different with this setup compared to CYO I.

Fair point. To me this is legit investigating because it seemed like weird choices but I can see your point now. God I'm still not good at this huh?

This response from Coop when I said she was fishing made me feel weird, as said yesterday.

@WonderingStudent, can you explain your thought process from the top comment to the bottom one? You went from saying the nympho was an understandable discard to questioning why she wouldn't have used it for aff, but her discard and claimed aff role are both the same aff anyway, so why did you ask this?

I don't think I ever got an answer to this question, and I still don't really get it tbh. Were people just wondering that because there's only 1 nympho and so it would be a better role to claim for affiliation than a role that has multiples? Because otherwise, I don't really see why it matters. Now, I'm a little biased on that because I had 3 town roles and knew which ability I wanted the most of the 3, and honestly didn't put a lot of thought into which one I discarded versus used for affiliation since they were the same aff anyway.

Coops’s entrance felt kind of forced-casual to me, looks like could be trying to cover nerves.

1) The editing and then explanation for the editing also looks like wolfy start-of-game nerves 2) I don’t feel cubs and coop are in the same faction, too much interaction straight out the gate

This feels stretchy on a post that was clearly a joke and not at all related to the game. What I can't decide this morning is if it feels almost too out-there to be wolfy stretching - like, it's such a tiny and weird point to try and make, and Vissy had to know that it was going to draw a lot of attention and possible heat to her, and I don't know that a wolf would willingly make that choice. On the other hand, village trying to game solve will often say whatever they're thinking, without thinking about how it's going to sound or come across quite as much as scum will, and this is a statement that feels more like that to me.

Do not like. Why have you decided who you’re yeeting D2 with so few posts? Yes, I know this is a joke, but it feels like there’s some level of sincerity to it, plus flippancy about deciding who to vote.

Again, going after a post that (IMO) was pretty clearly a joke. Wolfy lack of humor? 😉 or village trying a little too hard?

I mean, I’ve gone back and forth about it. Not Chaos specifically, I am getting village vibes from him.

But the idea in general of choosing a 1x affiliation role to fake claim as scum, is it really that bold?

The thing is, it’s an enormous list of potential roles, so idk what the odds are but if you’re picking randomly, there’s a good chance that you might not hit something someone else has. Even if you do, there’s a decent chance that it might get ignored or overlooked by a player who simply isn’t paying attention to catch it.

Couple that with the fact that maybe your ability role, was a 1x village role And you’re fake claiming your affiliation as the ability role you choice. Plus a scum pack could pool their collective roles to help each other mix and match.

All this to say, I think claiming a 1x affiliation role is something I don’t think village should give too much weight to.

I see Zenge's point here, particularly with the bolded, but I really disagree with the top part. Maybe a bold wolf would be willing to pick a 1x aff role as a lie and then thunderdome if someone counterclaimed it, but that's taking a much bigger risk than just flying under the radar with one of the multiple roles, like vanilla town. Especially vanilla town, actually, because there are 12 possible and there were only 14 of us in the game. I don't think it would be particularly smart wolf play to take the risk of claiming someone else's role when they had abundant options available to hide with. @WildZoo, do you remember why you love reacted this post?

The tl;dr feels:

These are not in any order other than the order I remember people in:
Feeling a little worse about please
Still feeling BAD about Zenge
Feel ever so slightly better about Dubz, but the village lean on Zenge this early on is still bothering me.
Might have to keep an eye on Dina because we're so in agreement on a lot of reads that it's making me nervous
Feel okay about alley
Haven't changed my read of cubs
Feel okay about Chaos
Keeping Coop where she is for now (tail end of scum-neutrals)
Kinda feel like I need to see more from sunny before feeling like I can move her out of neutral in either direction
Feel a little worse about Vissy

 

[supershorty]

Part 2 of mystery number:

Spoiler

something's bothering me about chaos's tone and im not super sure what it is. I remember last time i played w them being pinged by their town and i think they ended up town so i think it's a symptom of a different website. but "you have my sheep" and then basically paraphrasing what shorty had said not 45 minutes earlier rubbed me wrong

On reread, this feels a little off because Chaos and I weren't even talking about the same thing, we just both used the phrase "low hanging fruit" and were talking about Wonder, but he was referring to discard analysis and I was referring to her POE of Vissy and alley, who are both easy misyeets. She acknowledges that after Chaos says something, to be fair.

but like if she keeps it there it's not like.. great
doesn't feel provillage
i get joking w friends bc i do it all the time but like a whole vote feels extreme but i could just be on edge

I don't love how this feels when pleasy has put joke votes on me before... although IIRC, she was a wolf when she did that. @vetschoolsletmeinplease, was it actually the vote that bothered you? Or was there something else about it? This was nearing EOD D1, was that part of it?

Similar to cubs, 'confusion' is starting to feel manufactured. He finally revealed his aff role and it was vanilla town which would be a super safe option to pick if you don't want to reveal your actual aff role

Cray vote seems kinda weird too. His reasoning is based on things she said pre-game. I don't know what he's referring too (@Stagg737 would you clarify?), but I'm also town-leaning cray atm.

I agreed with Dina's Stagg points here, but on reread, the bolded REALLY surprises me. I don't remember Dina being willing to town-lean Cray on D1 before.

The vote doesn’t feel quite right to me either. Maybe just my instinctive dread over D1 votes (I don’t think I’ve been in a game we correctly yeeted D1? Maybe one game?), admittedly. But I don’t agree with the feeling that her analysis was insincere because she wasn’t considering the way we chose roles. Her posts pinged me a little but not enough to yeet her. And I have… misgivings about following Dubz and shorty’s D1 vote 😉

This game marks only the second time in my short WW life where my final D1 vote has actually been on scum 😆

They could pick softer abilities simply for the fact that they think it “clears” them. Like right here in your post. Now I’m kinda side eyeing you for not seeing that.

I'm side-eyeing Zenge too, but I agree with him that I don't think it would make sense for someone who wanted to play as scum to discard a role like strongman or ninja. Both of those seem like stellar ability choices that could help win the game faster, and I think the benefit of that outweighs the possibility of claiming a lesser role for some cred.

I mean… it’s certainly an interesting strategy to discard a stronger scum role in the hope that it buys them enough village cred to skate by undetected but it’s legitimately not one I would ever think of.

You can ask Vis and Dubz from reading wolf chat in Baby Animals, my inner wolf meta is 100% panic “we’re all going to die!!!”.

So the idea of intentionally discarding a strong scum role for a weaker one, i.e. jeopardizing your overall chances of success, just to gamble on getting some village cred out of it, is hard for me to fathom.

Bolded felt really off, agree with the logic in the rest though.

She saying it’s suspicious of me to ignore the possibility that scum would intentionally discard a powerful role in place of choosing a weaker one, just for the sake of trying to get town cred from it.

I legitimately think it’s an insane strategy, so I’m not bothering to consider that people would do it.

The specific roles in question are Ninja and Strongman. Intentionally giving those up as scum, and choosing weaker roles in the hopes that it might buy you village cred is something I’m not seriously considering that anyone did. The possibility of maybe getting some village cred isn’t worth as much as those roles.

Agree.

So a pressure vote? I mean, I just got home 15 minutes ago. Sorry, I don’t play when I’m seeing patients…

Stagg's dead, but just noting that this really grinds my gears since Stagg tried to get me yeeted in England for pressure voting him, and then mkg tried to get me yeeted in WWizards for a pressure vote, and THIS WASN'T EVEN A PRESSURE VOTE

i liked his overall tone

Tone-reading Zenge makes me uncomfortable.

Cool beans.

Stonewalling Stagg didn’t give us a lot to work with, but it’s a good place to start.

@Zenge142, what info do you feel we got from Stagg's yeet?

What do we think about this?

She gets off slightly before Wonder role revealing.
I have a feeling this could be a potential scum - scum interaction. This was after Wonder revealed her alignment tho.
Does Coopah find it that convincing? This may be a bit of a stretch , but is it possible the voting , alignment reveal and the unvoting again is part of a planned sequence?

Chaos felt like Coop getting off Wonder before the role reveal was scummy. IIRC, he's now switched his position on that to thinking it was towny. Hopefully as I go through, I'll find an explanation for the shift.

Now that Wonder has flipped town , Coopah's vote and unvote yesterday feels towny rather than scummy tbh

I am saying Coop getting off Wonder is a towny action and not a scummy one as I initially thought

To me, on reread, it feels like "Coop messing with Dubz," not AI at all.

At the risk of saying Shortys tone is different....she seems sassier and more aggressive. I like it on one hand and on the other... can't remember her discard, because if it was town I'll let this go. Otherwise, I'm still watching out for the day she's scum.

Is it even a WW game if Cray doesn't say my tone is different?

Village-
supershorty: Seems like her typical village meta.
vetschoolsletmeinplease: I haven’t seen anything wolfy, and the only way I think she would pick scum was if she had no other choice so I’m inclined to village read her until I see something that really stands out as off.

Village Neutral-
sunshinefl: Feels like village sunny so far but she was was absent for a lot of D1 so I’m hoping to see more.
alleycat03: Overall feels pretty village but she can be good replicating that so I’m cautious at the moment.
WildZoo: Haven’t seen anything super wolfy, but I’m not seeing a lot of pro village play either. Neutral for now.
cubsrule4e: He’s hard to read, but overall he’s coming across as village.

Scum Neutral-
Viscernable: This is still neutral but it’s a slight scum lean. Vis is very good at flying under the radar as a wolf and replicating her village tone. I haven’t seen anything this game that makes me feel super good about this being Village!Vis but nothing nefarious either so I’m keeping my eye out here. She can be very good at wolfing.
Chaostrodon: Again, this is still a neutral category, but with a slight scum lean. He’s been very active in a way I’m not used to seeing, and while it seems helpful, with the affiliation role reveals, it hasn’t necessarily been that helpful. It always stands out to me when people do things I’m not used to seeing. So I’ll be watching this neutral as well.
Dinashadow: Haven’t seen very much but I’m slightly leaning scum. I thought the Cubs vote was a little weird and the pushback I got from asking about it felt off.

Scum-
Coopah: Super not helpful with game solving. There’s making a few jokes on thread while playing the game and then there’s this. People have said they think Coop would be likely to take a scum role if given the option. The weird scum calls on me and Sunny with not just no reasoning but a refusal to discuss reasoning was notable.

Don't like this reads list for a few reasons. 1, I feel like sunny had pretty minimal contributions to this point and for Zenge to have her at the top of his village-neutrals feels like it could be him trying to pocket her. 2, the issue with Dubz and the wording with her that I mentioned. 3, he has Vis as scum-neutral, but the explanation isn't really ... saying anything. It's just hedging, and then throwing her in the scum-neutrals. I'm also not sure how I feel about the village read on pleasy with so little content to go off of at that point - it's primarily relying on her discard, and while I agree that she's unlikely to pick scum over village, we really don't know that she had any village options.

Also, as I'm going through again, I'm noticing some soft buddying with pleasy and Zenge.

Town-leaning:
shorty, vis, schools (?)

Neutral:
sunny, alley, zenge, chaos

Scum-leaning
WZ, Coop, cubs

Some random thoughts:

Less sure about schools, I think she would prefer to take a town role, but there's a chance she wasn't offered one

Not sure what to make of chaos, his play at the beginning of the game seemed very town and not something scum would do, but I'm feeling paranoid

Not getting any zenge village vibes yet which is a little concerning

Dubz play has seemed off since yesterday, like I'm not getting any scum-hunting vibes from her. Her wonder vote and then comment about people following her onto the vote was weird.

I've seen coop play similarly to how she is now, but I remember her being a little more serious about the game. It's been a long time since I played with her though.

I have the same thoughts about cubs as I did yesterday. I said yesterday I was was scum reading stagg and cubs for similar reasons and now that stagg has flipped non-town I'm keeping cubs in my scum leans for now.

Dina and I have had similar thoughts on a lot of people (although not cubs), and I'm not sure yet if that should concern me or not.

 

[supershorty]

Part 3:

Spoiler

So by this logic if I act a lot more wolfy, you’ll stop tunneling me and move me into your neutrals?

My putting you in my scum leans for the first time is hardly tunneling. I'm not even voting you at the moment, so not really sure why you're upset.

This felt like a bit of a tunnel. It’s subjective.

I’m not upset, I just disagree with where you’re focusing.

Lmfao are you really trying to sell this idea that my asking you for reads is a tunnel?

Twice in under an hour, in a 36 hour game, felt a little aggressive.

Plus trying to make me out to be stretchy for trying to understand the point Chaos was making.

Zenge was a bit reactive to my scum-leaning him and asking him for reads twice when I knew he was on the thread. He gets scum-read often and doesn't get testy about it, so that's interesting. Maybe because it's me? But he didn't get testy at me when I scum-leaned him (and voted him) in Bioshock when he was wolfing. He could be testy that if I'm misreading him, but the "this felt like a bit of a tunnel" thing when I'd just asked him for reads was ridiculous. @Zenge142, it's a tunnel NOW, but it wasn't then.

It looks like she is trying to say , if she were scum she would provide convincing reads?
That is WIFOM and it doesnt even seem right. Surely town!dubz would have an easier time giving reads than scum!dubz?

Don't agree with this, I think it's easier to make reads when you're informed minority. But town!Dubz has made reads lists early in the game in the past, which was why I wanted some from her.

I mean this is my first CYO game and I think the second time I've played with chaos, so I'm not really an expert either.

It's one thing to be confused and misunderstand, but with you and stagg it started to feel manufactured and drawn out, with some shade thrown in, hence why I feel like it was an attempt to try to hide something.

@Dinashadow, do you think 2 scum (or 3, if you want to count Coop) would all pick the same strategy and stick with it when it was clear other people were doing it too?

Something about the way Dina is interacting with me and the wording of the comments in her reads list is giving me bad feels. I need to go back and read over cray's posts too but I'll get to that later.

yeet dina

@WildZoo, what wording was bothering you?

Hmmm, this is interesting to me. I was agreeing with Vis’ posts so far and I definitely did not interpret those things the same way as Sunny. They seemed like genuine scum hunting and analytics to me. I do agree that there has been some fluffiness from her, but nothing she’s done jumps out as scum to me.

The wording in her reads post pinged me too, but honestly I think you’re scummier than Dina at this point.

@alleycat03, same question as I asked Dubz right above this.

Can you clarify your read on Chaos then because yesterday you were village reading him, today you put him in neutral scum-leaning, but now you're back to saying you don't think scum would give up a strong role like ninja (which chaos did).

Am I missed something?

I'm referring to the post below from yesterday btw

Hmm yes I'm wondering about this too.

With regards to Chaos specifically, he’s in neutral. What concerns me, and why I feel the need to pay extra attention to his interactions (scum lean) is that I’m not used to seeing his level of involvement be this high. Being outside of what I’m used to seeing makes me want to watch more closely. But I certainly don’t want to condemn him for increasing his participation level.

This didn't actually answer Dina's question. After all the talk about discards and Zenge's feelings on whether someone playing scum would discard a great scum role like ninja, why would he then scum-lean Chaos based on his ... participation?

How do you feel about wonder asking it? The question itself I feel is kind of pointless (both choices would give the same result for alley and she has to choose one so I don’t understand nitpicking which one she chose), but I can definitely see its value as a little pressure test. On the other hand, putting someone on the defensive trying to get them to justify their role choices looks like a good fishing technique. So I’m kinda split.

... But wonder is dead?

Well wonder died and was village so

@Viscernable, what happened here? Did you mean something else with that post, or did you genuinely not know/forget that Wonder was dead?

Felt like a joke that was revealing of his mindset towards voting, i.e. not valuing it as much as I expect of a villager

This just feels hella stretchy to me. People make jokes about current and future voting all the time, no matter their affiliation.

Yeah, I have to agree with Dubz here. Don't like trying to read into people's jokes that are clearly jokes.

overall i'm not vibing w z's reads as much as i normally do when he's village which makes me nervous

pleasy shifted to this hedginess on Zenge caught my attention since earlier in the reread, I felt like there might be some slight buddying there. Then again, hedgy!pleasy tends to go more with village!pleasy (examples: RvB and Bioshock), so just making a note of it.

this interaction between dubz and shorty is feeling a little more v/v to me

@vetschoolsletmeinplease why?

@Coopah, you were scum-leaning Zenge last night, how are you feeling about him today and why?

Meh, because I'm not getting feels either way

Would like to know what changed overnight.

The bottom line is Neutrals are neutrals. Some I’m a little more concerned about, some a little less, but they’re all Neutral at the moment.

Having also wolfed with Vis, and more recently, when she wasn’t busy, she has gotten better. She’s in my neutrals at the moment. I just want to watch her more closely, because I know she can be a powerful wolf who can look very village.

Ok, I still hate this, because if neutrals are neutrals, then splitting them into village-neutral and scum-neutral is pointless. Which Zenge did do, so either they're not all equal neutrals, or he's doing what he thinks people want to see.

If neutrals are neutrals, why did you split them up? It's just weird because you have Dubz, an apparent true neutral, sandwiched between people where you specifically say that they were village-neutral. Almost like you needed to stick her in somewhere and forgot to be careful with your phrasing to be consistent.

Still feel this way.

 

[supershorty]

Fin:

Spoiler

I have village feels. I don't like to talk about them because I feel like it paints targets for the scum to hit

This makes me grumpy in regular games, but I can see it in a multiball setup. I do wish Coop would give us more to work with though.

I liked her contributions yesterday. It felt like she was scum hunting and I was agreeing with her posts. I do think she is floundering a bit today under the pressure. I don't know what to make of the fact that she didn't seem aware Wonder was NK'd. I guess I'm village reading her less than I was this morning, but not scum reading her.

Can you explain more? She only had a single vote on her at the time, so not like she was being heavily scum-read and in danger of voting out, so what's the pressure if she's village?

The behavior in general of bringing up the option to role reveal the affiliation role picks, seemed pro village at the time. Driving that conversation felt like a villager thing to do.

In retrospect it monopolized a lot of the conversation without a lot of benefits for village, but it does help scum figure out which roles are not in the game and what they don’t need to be concerned about.

This retrospective view gives me pause. Coupled with the increase in activity in a way I’m not used to seeing has me re-evaluating and keeping a closer eye than I felt like I needed to initially.

Ok but again, how does this relate to Chaos' discard role that you were putting some emphasis on earlier? I hate that it feels like some people want to scum-lean him primarily for posting more.

The proximity in time bugged me a little because wolf!Zenge has sheeped my votes like that before on people who are misyeeted easily (sunny comes to mind), but what bothered me even more was the fact that he hadn't mentioned Stagg AT ALL prior to putting his vote there. Zenge has 3 posts on Stagg in this entire game, and all of them are from his vote onward. So that, paired with him just following me onto the vote with his justification being that he felt good about me and alley, and didn't like that Stagg was sussing him and chaos, really didn't feel good.

Generally when village!Zenge has a vote, he's had some critical thinking on thread where you can see how he's getting to his conclusions.

This still really, really bothers me. He literally had not said Stagg's name ONCE.

It was more than just sheeping blindly. I’ve been clear on this point. But generally feeling good about you and okay about Alley was a factor in my decision certainly.

You can’t dislike my voting with you, and then also attack me for taking into account my feelings about who I would be voting with when making the decision of where to place my vote.

That’s a double standard.

testy!Zenge picking fights with notactually!shorty, hmmm.

This game is interesting because it's the first time that I'm getting to see what Zenge does if I scum-lean him for any real length of time. In Bioshock, I gradually moved to scum-leaning him after redoing an ISO, and I voted him, but Dina put the final nail in his coffin shortly after that, so we didn't get to see him react to me really. I haven't misread a village!Zenge before when I've still been in the game with him (I did in Emojis but I was dead), and generally, I've died pretty early in wolf!Zenge games. So this is the first time I'm really getting to see his reactions to my sussing him, and it's making it harder for me to tell if it's village!Zenge getting upset because I'm misreading him, or if it's scum!Zenge getting upset that I'm reading him correctly and hoping that I'll feel guilty about it and leave him alone.

Okay so can we talk about how you felt about placing your vote the same place mine was after you said this?

Kind of a strange point to bring up when earlier, when I'd said I didn't like voting alongside Dubz, he'd brought up the multiball thing.

Hmmmm. This makes me contemplate things because sunny is usually quite indignant when someone votes for her.

I don't like the reasoning that because sunny didn't blow up when Coop voted for her, it makes her sus (or at least makes people concerned). Feels unfair to sunny (I also hate when people get that angery though), and I thought she was pretty level-headed in RvB too.

Reading back on all this Vis stuff she is starting to approach scum territory. But Dubbie still just feels so way off. Chaos and Coop still in the mix. The dubz 4 hour monologue struck me as odd earlier today... i dont ever see her really doing the post by post approach vs larger cohesive publications. It was almost like she was trying to make up for "lack of content" that people had called her out for not providing yesterday. And there was a lot of pro-cubs posting/potential pocketing thrown in there as well. Normally village dubz likes to push me. Then she used all of that to finally make it a 3 way tie putting vis in the mix... which I dont necessarily disagree with that vote at this point, but lets put her in the lead for the time being and keep the heat on.

vote dubz

Dubz hates wall posts though. Like this one that I'm writing. I've never seen her make one herself.

Most investigative roles in the game tends to have atleast 2 of each. What sort of useful info do you think scum has from the reveals we have had so far? I cant think of any that would make scum modify their playstyle or actions or concerns somehow

Also , I think the exercise has been pretty beneficial to town. I was able to get a few early likely town pings.
And if I remember correctly . quite a few people were sus of Stagg based on his response to being asked to claim his alignment and he turned out to be non town.

@Chaostrodon how are you feeling about those town pings today?

I love waking up to bull**** in the morning

1. My style has not been lengthy posts in a very long time, especially not when I'm catching up on the thread
2. My "lack of content" was because I skimmed a lot of the thread on Friday while I was driving most of the day. Like I said yesterday. And I was rereading the early parts of the thread because of that.
3. I don't recall having a pattern of pushing you when I'm village. Pretty sure that was more of a thing when I was scum actually, and you've called me out for it before.
4. Nice tie break towards a villager

Feel free to keep the heat on but I'm about to be driving again so don't expect it to do anything for you.

Seems kind of reactive when there were still >12 hours to vote close and she was only leading by 1/still 3 votes away from maj.

I hope we see more from @Dinashadow and @sunshinefl today. Looking at the total number of posts on the thread, they’re both the lowest with ~6x fewer posts than the highest poster.

tfw you've posted so much that you have 6x more posts than anyone 😵

I've been feeling the same way regarding seeing some kind of slight buddying/echoing between dubz and zenge

It'd be different if I understood the zenge village read, but I'm not seeing village zenge so far this game. Wonder vote was uninspiring, but meh I'll give him a D1 pass, but overall his wolf hunting has felt superficial to me. I don't really feel that pushiness and drive to pressure people that I'm used to seeing.

Plus some weird inconsistencies in his reads from last cycle to today that he's been questioned about already.

Regarding his vote on coop - very easy misyeet bait if she's village, a good choice for a wolf who wants to look like their wolf hunting imo. Of course this would hinge on the fact that she's village, which idk yet, but something I'm keeping in mind.

@Dinashadow how do you feel about him not staying on the Wonder vote? The only people who ended the day there were Dubz and Chaos.

Eh your reads list seemed a bit off, but nothing else has really bothered me as I’ve seen more of your posts. So you’re a village lean right now.

@alleycat03, what seemed off about Dina's reads list to you? You mentioned it twice, but never elaborated.

lol ok. Clearly everything I do or say with you is throwing shade, even the completely obvious sarcastic posts sometimes.
in any case, why point out someone's vote is salt but not mine which was the exact same thing? Go read my post and tell me how "yeet alleyx5" as the second post of a game can be interpreted in any other way.

cubs, I literally said that I copy/paste from people's vote posts. From their explanations (if provided), not from the vote itself. That's why the column is labeled as "Justification."

Right, and I said thats fair and let it go. Have I brought it up again as you trying to intentionally shade me from that? Nope.

This exchange didn't ping me as cubs being wolfy, but I do feel like the bolded part (top) IS doing exactly what the bolded part (bottom) is asking. Doesn't matter to me, but noting it. It's worth noting that I wanted to scum-lean cubs in RvB initially because of his posting style and what I perceived as appeal to emotion/woe is me type stuff, and ultimately moved him out of my POE because I decided that was just how he plays and not indicative of wolfiness, and that's definitely factoring into my village-neutral lean of him.

I can’t see alley pointing this out if she and please were on a team together.

Why?

 

[supershorty]

As an aside, I've never made a wall post that was SO LONG that SDN said no, and I will not be doing that again.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Coop (1) - Zenge
dubz (3) - Dina, cubs, alley
Vis (2) - sunshine, DubZ
Dina () -
sunshine (1) - Coop
cubs (1) - chaos
Zenge (1) - Vis

9/11
yeet close in ~7.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

Pfft already happened 😉

Please re-examine your position on my reads list 😉

 

[WildZoo]

@supershorty might be a lot to ask but do you mind pulling your comments or questions directed at me into a single post so I don't miss anything? I am just stopped for gas/for a few minutes and don't want to miss anything.

 

[cubsrule4e]

Dubz hates wall posts though. Like this one that I'm writing. I've never seen her make one herself.

Youre trying to make the same point as me. But I'm not referring to wall posts, i said bloc posts, as in like one longer paragraph or two of reads/commentary. Or a full ordered reads list. Not single post by post activity, just like youre saying she doesnt do huge quote wall posts either.

 

[Viscernable]

@Viscernable, what happened here? Did you mean something else with that post, or did you genuinely not know/forget that Wonder was dead?

I forgot it was wonder that died

 

[cubsrule4e]

Seems kind of reactive when there were still >12 hours to vote close and she was only leading by 1/still 3 votes away from maj.

Which is what I was I was going for. So you are in agreement she seemed overreactive to that vote.

 

[Coopah]

Please re-examine your position on my reads list 😉

Yeah that fact I'm not your top scum lean means it's working obviously

 

[Coopah]

I forgot it was wonder that died

This is also something that makes me scum read you. There are multiple factions and I feel like it's be so easy to be like well I didn't kill wonder so obviously she's alive.

 

[supershorty]

@supershorty might be a lot to ask but do you mind pulling your comments or questions directed at me into a single post so I don't miss anything? I am just stopped for gas/for a few minutes and don't want to miss anything.

Spoiler: Dubz mentions or questions

Ehhhh

If you're looking at this as someone discarded a town affiliation we do not know what abilities they had available to match up with that affiliation. So we don't know if their town option "looked decent" because in a world there that was their only town card, if they chose it they would not be able to use the corresponding ability. So it's not "would they consider some scum roles preferable" to the discard that we see, it's would they consider some scum roles (which is a wide range of stuff here) better than a town role with whatever ability options they had. Which is like. Impossible to even try to parse out. Does anyone really hate being scum enough to choose to be town with a harmful ability (again I haven't looked at the whole list yet but I'm sure such things exist)? I'm not gonna bank on that.

Still think this was a good point and Dubz's best contribution to the whole discard discussion. Not going to go in depth because I talked about that yesterday.

Haven't read anyone's posts yet but just wrote this up when I got home a little while ago from work:

Thoughts on discarded roles:
Discards
shorty - Town Roleblocker : there’s a lot of roles I would take instead of roleblocker. Can screw with villager roles but still interesting choice - not the worst village role, can be helpful at times
Cray - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
please - Mafia Strongman : fairly good mafia role
Vis - Watchlisted Townie : not a good role in general so understandably discarded.
sunshine - Town Conspiracy Theorist : relatively good role. Cop for alien detection. There is a lot of different factions of scum so this is very specific but still could have been good to check for alien roles
alley - Town Nymphomaniac : understandably discarded because who wants to willingly be lovers with someone
dubz - Alien Prober : extremely suspicious that WZ did not choose this. I could see her choosing 3P over alien (doesn’t mean not village aligned but….) Last CYO she chose to be Judas (3P village aligned that turns Mafia if killed)
Stagg - Tentacled Townie : terrible role so understandably discarded
Zenge - Werewolf Gravedigger : terrible role so understandably discarded
Dina - Hirsute Goon : slightly worse vanilla mafia goon role
Coop - Vanilla Townie : can mean anything
Wonder - Vanilla Townie: can mean anything
cubs - Alien Mass Redirector : pretty cool role. Wonder if he had a better choice/chose a village role because of the number of rerolls we had. Slight sus that did not take this.
Chaos - Ninja Werewolf : good wolf role. Slight sus that did not take this role.

Reasons I can think of for discarding good scum roles:
- after 3 rerolls, chose village so don't have to reroll again
- had a better scum role choice
- would rather be village in general
- had a better village role choice
- made a bad choice/choose a worse role

Wonder's paraphrasing FTF from CYO the first’s dead chat to keep in mind:
Reasons for discarding a good village role:

• Other choice was a better village role
• player would rather play scum
• Had a better scum role
• Choose a bad town role/made bad choice

edit to say I made an addendum in a later post explaining I wrote this forgetting that this is differently structured than last CYO game.

When I wrote my last post, I didn’t consider that this was a differently structured game from last CYO where we were only given 2 cards to pick from and the card we choose was our alignment and ability. Stand by my thoughts that we should still analyze any info we have including discards. Different value from last CYO but still gets us talking. As a town, we need to use all the info that we have available. It is public info so we should utilize it and is more info than we would get from a normal D1. Better than only joke/salt votes. players analyze discards => questions => players answering => more discussion and less fluff early on => 🙂

Interesting because I feel like the structural differences between CYO I and CYO II wouldn't really affect the kind of analysis she did here all that much. I mean, yes, everyone's ultimate aff + ability combo came from a combination of 2 roles, but I think the basic principles that she was considering looking at the discards wouldn't really be altered.

Though cubs, stagg, wonder, and alley have all been around since chaos asked about alignment cards, so. Hmm.

I'm a little weirded out by wonder making that whole post about analyzing the discards and somehow forgetting how this game was structured. Now, of course either town or scum is going to know that information, but it seems to me that town actually trying to solve the game would be less likely to forget. Town mindset is solving, scum mindset is looking like solving. Hopefully that makes sense, I haven't had my coffee yet.

yeet wonder

Yeah, I agreed with this at the time, and thought it was a good point about the different mindsets. Looking back at Wonder's posts above though, I'm still left with this question of how the discard analysis would really be all that different with this setup compared to CYO I.

Something about the way Dina is interacting with me and the wording of the comments in her reads list is giving me bad feels. I need to go back and read over cray's posts too but I'll get to that later.

yeet dina

@WildZoo, what wording was bothering you?

Felt like a joke that was revealing of his mindset towards voting, i.e. not valuing it as much as I expect of a villager

This just feels hella stretchy to me. People make jokes about current and future voting all the time, no matter their affiliation.

Yeah, I have to agree with Dubz here. Don't like trying to read into people's jokes that are clearly jokes.

Reading back on all this Vis stuff she is starting to approach scum territory. But Dubbie still just feels so way off. Chaos and Coop still in the mix. The dubz 4 hour monologue struck me as odd earlier today... i dont ever see her really doing the post by post approach vs larger cohesive publications. It was almost like she was trying to make up for "lack of content" that people had called her out for not providing yesterday. And there was a lot of pro-cubs posting/potential pocketing thrown in there as well. Normally village dubz likes to push me. Then she used all of that to finally make it a 3 way tie putting vis in the mix... which I dont necessarily disagree with that vote at this point, but lets put her in the lead for the time being and keep the heat on.

vote dubz

Dubz hates wall posts though. Like this one that I'm writing. I've never seen her make one herself.

I love waking up to bull**** in the morning

1. My style has not been lengthy posts in a very long time, especially not when I'm catching up on the thread
2. My "lack of content" was because I skimmed a lot of the thread on Friday while I was driving most of the day. Like I said yesterday. And I was rereading the early parts of the thread because of that.
3. I don't recall having a pattern of pushing you when I'm village. Pretty sure that was more of a thing when I was scum actually, and you've called me out for it before.
4. Nice tie break towards a villager

Feel free to keep the heat on but I'm about to be driving again so don't expect it to do anything for you.

Seems kind of reactive when there were still >12 hours to vote close and she was only leading by 1/still 3 votes away from maj.

I've been feeling the same way regarding seeing some kind of slight buddying/echoing between dubz and zenge

It'd be different if I understood the zenge village read, but I'm not seeing village zenge so far this game. Wonder vote was uninspiring, but meh I'll give him a D1 pass, but overall his wolf hunting has felt superficial to me. I don't really feel that pushiness and drive to pressure people that I'm used to seeing.

Plus some weird inconsistencies in his reads from last cycle to today that he's been questioned about already.

Regarding his vote on coop - very easy misyeet bait if she's village, a good choice for a wolf who wants to look like their wolf hunting imo. Of course this would hinge on the fact that she's village, which idk yet, but something I'm keeping in mind.

@Dinashadow how do you feel about him not staying on the Wonder vote? The only people who ended the day there were Dubz and Chaos.

 

[supershorty]

Youre trying to make the same point as me. But I'm not referring to wall posts, i said bloc posts, as in like one longer paragraph or two of reads/commentary. Or a full ordered reads list. Not single post by post activity, just like youre saying she doesnt do huge quote wall posts either.

Yeah I mean, I've never seen her do giant posts like that ridiculous thing I just did, but I've seen her do some of the PbPA type, one-liner posts before in other games. Sometimes I've seen her do paragraphs, and the reads lists I definitely see, but I'm not sure that her posting style in this game is really all that different from the other games I've played with her.

 

[WildZoo]

Thank you

Interesting because I feel like the structural differences between CYO I and CYO II wouldn't really affect the kind of analysis she did here all that much. I mean, yes, everyone's ultimate aff + ability combo came from a combination of 2 roles, but I think the basic principles that she was considering looking at the discards wouldn't really be altered.

I disagree. A fair amount of her analysis was based in discarding that particular ability with the discarded affiliation, which isn't how it works here since (barring duplicates) the discards aren't possible roles for those people.

@WildZoo, what wording was bothering you?

I don't have time to look back right now but iirc it felt like there were a lot of the kind of "I think this but this" statements and few actual stances

Seems

Quote cut off but this was about reactivity to cubs' vote
Consider that I had just woken up, the things cubs was saying irked me because they aren't true, and I knew that I would be driving for the majority of the remainder of the cycle. I always defend early, no matter my affiliation, but especially if I know I'm not going to be around as much.

 

[WildZoo]

Incidentally I also did not have a full ordered reads list by the start of day 2 in Madagascar, and I am quite sure there are other village games of mine where I didn't, so that continuing to come up is going to continue to annoy me.