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@Viscernable Any thoughts on today?
Coop is sounding very genuine. i felt like that was the one person we could pretty safely vote but have been frozen today as I’m doubting that now. Without any info from mafia/wolf/alien/cult flips it feels like voting totally blind especially when even scum have reason to be genuinely scumhunting.
 
Or...

1. we are both observing the same phenomenon
2. One of us (not me) is bad and jumping on the observations the other (me) is remarking on.
Like I said, you guys can have a club for "people who like to sus village!shorty." I'd just ask that as the inspiration for this club, if you ever get cool things like club jackets, I get an honorary one too since I'm the inspiration for the club's existence.

I did account for #2, but you'd have to read the iso to see that point, and off the top of my head, I don't remember where exactly in the post I talked about it.
 
Ok thoughts as I'm reading the vis ISO
- there is a bit more clear progression from reads/pings to votes than she had in Baby Animals, where her first vote kind of seemed to spring from nowhere
- the reasoning on those early suspicions is something i still don't agree with but i do like that she sticks with it, like she really believes in it
- the bit about forgetting wonder was dead, especially after acknowledging she had died and misremembered her role, is bugging me
- thinking on whether or not the cubs/zenge interaction posts are genuine. the difficult part is that they definitely could be, and she could still be scum lol
- on the other hand from a tonal standpoint she comes across a bit more confident in her reads than she did in Baby Animals, where i noted a bit of hedging and reading things as "this could be x doing this wolfy thing" rather than "this is wolfy"
- a lot more quick engagement-type posts, which lean village to me (wolves need to take more time to think)
- of note she already has more posts here than she did the entirety of Baby Animals (even with being absent most of today), which was ~8 IRL days, and we're on IRL day 6 here I think. Could be NAI but it's a data point.


Idk this just doesn't read as scum vissy to me after looking at them back to back like this. Not that scum vissy read all that scummy to me to begin with lol
 
You've also had multiple people state thats it his village meta to be very participatory with high thread presence (zenge most notably, i think vis said that as well)
I never said that and I doubt Z did either, I think you’re misinterpreting us responding to your feeling about him being aggressive, I was saying that he is usually very assertive in his reads and doesn’t qualify or doubt them much (not a lot of maybes or counterpoints in his posts generally). His posts are content-heavy, very little to no hedging, but he’s a not a super high poster.
 
I'm supposed to be reading a book but I really want to look over the Vis ISO so...time to be irresponsible
kaydubs wow reacted this so i think that means I need to go back to being responsible before i get in trouble...
 
Day 3 Yeet Tally
Vis (2) - sunshine, Coop
Chaos (3) - dubz, please, cubs
cubs (1) - shorty
Coop (1) - Chaos

7/9
yeet close in ~1.5 hours
Missing: alley, Vis
 
Yeet Vis
I'm in the middle of shorty's ISO on her, and I don't like how the big picture looks when I'm looking at all of these posts compiled together.

I would be okay with a cubs or chaos yeet because I think we gain a good chunk of info from their flips, but Vis is scummier right now.
 
Yeet Vis
I'm in the middle of shorty's ISO on her, and I don't like how the big picture looks when I'm looking at all of these posts compiled together.

I would be okay with a cubs or chaos yeet because I think we gain a good chunk of info from their flips, but Vis is scummier right now.
I will have more input after I finish reading I'm just trying to frantically get everything read and comprehended before 9CDT
 
Yeet Vis
I'm in the middle of shorty's ISO on her, and I don't like how the big picture looks when I'm looking at all of these posts compiled together.

I would be okay with a cubs or chaos yeet because I think we gain a good chunk of info from their flips, but Vis is scummier right now.
Ooo a tie
 
Caught up. Yeah I’m concerned about sunny’s posts made in the meantime, too.

vote sunny
 
Yeah I was thinking on it and pretty much the only roles I’m at all concerned about them wanting to be yeeted are judas and supersaint. Saulus and oneshot prince are beneficial for town to yeet (I mean. Better if prince gets nked by another faction. But can’t bet on that esp with how sketchy Coop is). Judas I could see deciding to bail on town, since they’re more powerful as mafia than town (can essentially be either [ability] town or [ability] plus 1x prince mafia), and at least if they get converted early then they can fully play for mafia instead of trying to play for town with the fear that it’ll eventually be counter to their wincon. Still, not something we can bank on and just never yeet a super scummy-looking player :shrug:

It could be nice if, if it looks like she’s going to be yeeted and it looks like that’s her goal, she got dayvig’d so town doesn’t potentially have to use two yeets on her if she’s Judas or 1x prince.
@supershorty You had this post in your ISO and said the bottom part gave you some feels but you didn't know why. It stood out to me too, and I think what felt weird to me was that she tried to sell us on getting rid of coop, but not by yeeting her. I kind of interpret it as a scum person trying to get someone (in this case, Coop) dayvigged so that she doesn't get the heat for misyeeting her. So the blame goes on the vig instead of her (Vis) for pushing the yeet. Just stood out to me because she was hypothesizing all of the ways to get coop killed without actually getting her hands "dirty" so to speak.
 
I still haven’t got around to cubs rereading so not willing to vote there today. Did a fair bit of alley rereading and she still sounds pretty village to me so don’t want to vote there, either. Still willing to vote for Coop but a lot less sure of it than I was 24+ hours ago
 
... This feels like a cop out. I think sunny is scummy too but what the heck? You're basically in the lead??
So I shouldn’t vote for my top scum read because I’m in the lead with still over an hour to go? What?
 
I still haven’t got around to cubs rereading so not willing to vote there today. Did a fair bit of alley rereading and she still sounds pretty village to me so don’t want to vote there, either. Still willing to vote for Coop but a lot less sure of it than I was 24+ hours ago
... And what of chaos?
 
So I shouldn’t vote for my top scum read because I’m in the lead with still over an hour to go? What?
You're voting for someone not even in the board yet when you're kinda in the lead. Yeah there's an hour but that's not a lot of time. Tell us about how the other people on the board make you feel!
 
... And what of chaos?
I feel pretty good about Chaos still. Kind of bothered by him saying he didn’t see cubs’s posts about the role/affiliation confusion being on purpose when he was allegedly searching cubs’s posts. But overall he feels village
 
@supershorty You had this post in your ISO and said the bottom part gave you some feels but you didn't know why. It stood out to me too, and I think what felt weird to me was that she tried to sell us on getting rid of coop, but not by yeeting her. I kind of interpret it as a scum person trying to get someone (in this case, Coop) dayvigged so that she doesn't get the heat for misyeeting her. So the blame goes on the vig instead of her (Vis) for pushing the yeet. Just stood out to me because she was hypothesizing all of the ways to get coop killed without actually getting her hands "dirty" so to speak.
Hmm. That didn't really bother me in the context of people thinking at the time that coop might have had a role that won with being voted out.
 
Other reasons I am concerned about Vis being scum:

The fact that she knew that wonder died, made a post referring to Wonder's reveal to me wondering (lol) why Wonder would lie, and then she forgot later on that she died? Seems weird to me. I don't think the mod PMs clear her or implicate her for faking. They're a moot point to me. She could type whatever she wanted in the PM and then post it on thread. Frankly, I'm getting those same vibes I had during endgame of baby animals where Zenge and Vis were wolfing together. I felt like something was off with vis (ie her efforts were misplaced or something like she was focusing on the wrong people and unimportant information), and I'm getting those vibes here too. From reading too much into Cubs' jokes and saltiness to getting into a disagreement with Chaos over statistics to now giving us reads on people not even on the board, I'm not seeing a lot here that focuses on pro-village effort and a lot of it seems like a distraction.
 
Day 3 Yeet Tally
Vis (3)
- sunshine, Coop, alley
Chaos (3) - dubz, please, cubs
cubs (1) - shorty
Coop (1) - Chaos
sunshine (1) - Vis

9/9
@Chaostrodon and @Viscernable are in the lead!
yeet close in ~1 hour
 
Other reasons I am concerned about Vis being scum:

The fact that she knew that wonder died, made a post referring to Wonder's reveal to me wondering (lol) why Wonder would lie, and then she forgot later on that she died? Seems weird to me. I don't think the mod PMs clear her or implicate her for faking. They're a moot point to me. She could type whatever she wanted in the PM and then post it on thread. Frankly, I'm getting those same vibes I had during endgame of baby animals where Zenge and Vis were wolfing together. I felt like something was off with vis (ie her efforts were misplaced or something like she was focusing on the wrong people and unimportant information), and I'm getting those vibes here too. From reading too much into Cubs' jokes and saltiness to getting into a disagreement with Chaos over statistics to now giving us reads on people not even on the board, I'm not seeing a lot here that focuses on pro-village effort and a lot of it seems like a distraction.
This in particular feels like it's really watering down that whole discussion...
 
You're voting for someone not even in the board yet when you're kinda in the lead. Yeah there's an hour but that's not a lot of time. Tell us about how the other people on the board make you feel!
I don’t know I’m wavering on everyone except my solid village reads. Where I’m at on cubs is that the AtE, “woe is me I’m always so maligned” attitude feels very manipulative and scummy. The way he makes me not want to vote for him despite my gut feelings, using a mix of AtE and offense against people suspecting him (it’s almost like negging but I don’t want to use that word for the irl scummy implications. I mean he criticizes the reads in such a way that I think makes people feel kind of stupid for even dare suspect him and feel put on the defensive and like you need to then get his approval. Might be just me idk) making it hard not to doubt yourself when suspecting him… it really gives me flashbacks to the end of madagascar when he was in my top 2 scumreads but I somehow convinced myself to vote for the person he wanted me to vote. But I wasn’t a player in RvB so I haven’t experienced village cubs from that perspective, maybe it’s the same no matter what aff he is.
 
If you didnt read the ISO's then you wouldnt be able to comment on what Im asking. Its not the ISO itself, its how its constructed which requires more than skimming.
Okay now that I've read all of shorty's ISOs, I like them. I felt like I got a better grasp and a good reminder of what each of the people had said in the game and their contributions. Also, I think she's fair in them and doesn't seem to stretch things or try to warp things to fit her viewpoint.
 
This in particular feels like it's really watering down that whole discussion...
I'm confused, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? Was the disagreement over statistics not a distraction?
 
I don’t know I’m wavering on everyone except my solid village reads. Where I’m at on cubs is that the AtE, “woe is me I’m always so maligned” attitude feels very manipulative and scummy. The way he makes me not want to vote for him despite my gut feelings, using a mix of AtE and offense against people suspecting him (it’s almost like negging but I don’t want to use that word for the irl scummy implications. I mean he criticizes the reads in such a way that I think makes people feel kind of stupid for even dare suspect him and feel put on the defensive and like you need to then get his approval. Might be just me idk) making it hard not to doubt yourself when suspecting him… it really gives me flashbacks to the end of madagascar when he was in my top 2 scumreads but I somehow convinced myself to vote for the person he wanted me to vote. But I wasn’t a player in RvB so I haven’t experienced village cubs from that perspective, maybe it’s the same no matter what aff he is.
This sounds so much like me...no wonder he's my grandchild :laugh:
 
Hmm. That didn't really bother me in the context of people thinking at the time that coop might have had a role that won with being voted out.
This is exactly why I posted it. Like people were kind of freaking out about thinking Coop was scum but that voting her out might somehow be Very Bad. So I looked through the wiki for all the possible consequences of voting her, concluded the only real threat that would make yeeting her inadvisable if she’s scum was if she’s Saulus (edit: I mean Judas), but that even if she’s a prince it would still be annoying to have to use two yeets on her, so if people are that concerned about her wanting to be yeeted then it could be a good strategy to use a village vig shot on her if one existed.
 
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I'm confused, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing? Was the disagreement over statistics not a distraction?
I'm disagreeing with you because I think that just calling that discussion a disagreement over statistics is neglecting a lot of the content therein.
 
I dunno I really do think people should go take a look at Baby Animals. I feel like the flavor and tone of vissy's content here is different. It's not too too much to read either, just over 100 posts. I'd read over one of her village games too for positive ID purposes but I uh...have already been here too much in the last couple hours.
 
I dunno I really do think people should go take a look at Baby Animals. I feel like the flavor and tone of vissy's content here is different. It's not too too much to read either, just over 100 posts. I'd read over one of her village games too for positive ID purposes but I uh...have already been here too much in the last couple hours.
I looked and I think I see what you mean. I'm going to go look at Madagascar, where she was village, to compare.

Feels funky that we're sitting at a tie this close to close and it's *crickets*
 
I looked and I think I see what you mean. I'm going to go look at Madagascar, where she was village, to compare.

Feels funky that we're sitting at a tie this close to close and it's *crickets*
I dunno how to interpret things like that in multi-ball game :heckyeah:
 
Yeah rereading chaos’s posts just on surface level I really don’t want to self-prez there unless I absolutely have to.
 
Btw if people are using chaos tunneling someone as evidence of villageyness...don't
Are you looking at his scum game right now?

I wasn't using it as evidence of villageyness, but it is something I've seen him do as village, so I was keeping that in mind.
 
You're voting for someone not even in the board yet when you're kinda in the lead. Yeah there's an hour but that's not a lot of time. Tell us about how the other people on the board make you feel!
And ftr it’s posts like this that make me hesitant to yeet Coop today. This sounds like she is genuinely both frustrated with and encouraging me because she is worried about me being village and giving up and not giving village anything to work with on my way out. That’s a really village concern to have about your scum reads.
 
Well it looks like I do have to do this

unyeet sunny
Yeet chaos
 
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