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What was hard about it? I have done some courses where we basically teach ourselves and with a good teacher and structure I know it works well... is it structured in any way? Do you have any "normal" lectures?

PBL works a little differently in each Block, but you have some lectures and labs and the number varies between blocks; Block I (anatomy, histology, radiology, embryology, and a little bit of neuro) basically only has lectures for embryology and neuro and everything else is labs or through tutor group. Then you have tutor group sessions where you read a case together with a group of peers under the supervision - but not necessarily direction - of a faculty tutor. You'll read the first page and it'll say "Betsy is a 6 year old spayed female golden retriever dog whose owner brought her in because she stopped eating 24 hours ago and has seemed disinterested in moving." And then you'll say okay, what are our facts, what are our problems, what are some questions we would ask the owner, what hypotheses do we have, and what is our plan (ie. what tests do we want to do)? Then you turn the page and it gives you more information and you keep revising these different categories until you go through a certain number of pages, then you'll be done for the day. Throughout the tutor group session you'll also make a column for "Learning Issues" which is basically anything you can't come up with an answer for during tutor group - for example, what are the functions of the liver, what does elevated ALP mean on serum chemistry, what muscles extend the hip joint... and often when it comes to anatomy, these are phrased like "trace a drop of (whatever) from (here) to (there)". These are questions you need to prepare answers to for the next tutor group session.

Finding a group dynamic, especially when some people are quieter, and some people know more than others through experience in clinics etc, can be difficult at first.

I think the hardest thing about PBL is how to write a good learning issue, how to investigate your learning issues at home so that you really gain a good understanding without spending too much time investigating tangents, and what you need to be prepared to do in tutor group the next time when you go over them. Knowing what learning issues are relevant and what depth to go into when you're trying to answer your questions can be hard. Ultimately I love PBL but some people really did not at first, and some people still do not like it. It isn't the kind of curriculum where they tell you everything you need to know in a lecture and then you just study that.

I think the biggest adjustment in general is the amount of material and also the fact that other schools have separate courses - and thus separate grades - for anatomy, radiology, histology... but it's all integrated for us. So it's nice because everything lines up when you're doing a certain body region (I would talk to friends at other schools who had already covered, for instance, the liver in anatomy but not yet in histology) but it feels like higher stakes because whatever grade you get on the single final exam is essentially your course grade and the one course is worth 12 credits.
 
PBL works a little differently in each Block, but you have some lectures and labs and the number varies between blocks; Block I (anatomy, histology, radiology, embryology, and a little bit of neuro) basically only has lectures for embryology and neuro and everything else is labs or through tutor group. Then you have tutor group sessions where you read a case together with a group of peers under the supervision - but not necessarily direction - of a faculty tutor. You'll read the first page and it'll say "Betsy is a 6 year old spayed female golden retriever dog whose owner brought her in because she stopped eating 24 hours ago and has seemed disinterested in moving." And then you'll say okay, what are our facts, what are our problems, what are some questions we would ask the owner, what hypotheses do we have, and what is our plan (ie. what tests do we want to do)? Then you turn the page and it gives you more information and you keep revising these different categories until you go through a certain number of pages, then you'll be done for the day. Throughout the tutor group session you'll also make a column for "Learning Issues" which is basically anything you can't come up with an answer for during tutor group - for example, what are the functions of the liver, what does elevated ALP mean on serum chemistry, what muscles extend the hip joint... and often when it comes to anatomy, these are phrased like "trace a drop of (whatever) from (here) to (there)". These are questions you need to prepare answers to for the next tutor group session.

Finding a group dynamic, especially when some people are quieter, and some people know more than others through experience in clinics etc, can be difficult at first.

I think the hardest thing about PBL is how to write a good learning issue, how to investigate your learning issues at home so that you really gain a good understanding without spending too much time investigating tangents, and what you need to be prepared to do in tutor group the next time when you go over them. Knowing what learning issues are relevant and what depth to go into when you're trying to answer your questions can be hard. Ultimately I love PBL but some people really did not at first, and some people still do not like it. It isn't the kind of curriculum where they tell you everything you need to know in a lecture and then you just study that.

I think the biggest adjustment in general is the amount of material and also the fact that other schools have separate courses - and thus separate grades - for anatomy, radiology, histology... but it's all integrated for us. So it's nice because everything lines up when you're doing a certain body region (I would talk to friends at other schools who had already covered, for instance, the liver in anatomy but not yet in histology) but it feels like higher stakes because whatever grade you get on the single final exam is essentially your course grade and the one course is worth 12 credits.
THANK YOU! I can see why it might be tough at first. At the same time, it seems more integrative. What happens if a student does poorly in one course then (that's a lot of credits)... do they put them back to the next year or are they out? I can PM you if this is too much to write on this forum. I think it's important to know, though, considering the format of the courses.
 
THANK YOU! I can see why it might be tough at first. At the same time, it seems more integrative. What happens if a student does poorly in one course then (that's a lot of credits)... do they put them back to the next year or are they out? I can PM you if this is too much to write on this forum. I think it's important to know, though, considering the format of the courses.

So each Block has only one grade, i.e. even though one Block may contain many subjects, it is considered one course. If you fail any of the foundation courses (as opposed to distributions, which are electives) you have to repeat it - and every foundation course is a prerequisite for the next foundation course. So, effectively, if you fail a Block you get held back a year because you cannot take the subsequent blocks until you pass the one you failed.

Feel free to PM me if you have other specific questions 🙂
 
If it makes anyone feel better a similar portal issue happened with Western. I didn't receive the update that others were getting, but I got accepted when it was the actual day that acceptances went out. I'm not thinking I'm going to get into Cornell because they are so numbers driven, but hopefully this will put some of you at ease 🙂
 
Does anyone have a vague idea of when phone calls will go out?
 
Someone who's at Cornell vet now told me they started around 7am. This is going to be a very very very very long day. lol I'm planning on going to see a movie later but am definitely not silencing my phone. Will be sitting very close to the exit however.
 
I wonder if they're going alphabetically...
 
Congrats!! So thats 1:1 of people who had the enrollment deposit line and actually got a call. If someone else gets a call and is willing to ask about the enrollment deposit thing it might make all of us who didn't get that line on the tracking page not have to sit by the phone today 🙂
 
mind me asking what the first letter of your last name is to see if there doing alphabetical.
 
Congratulations everyone! Are those getting calls on EST or CST? I'm curious if they are waiting to call those of us on the west coast 🙂.
 
I hope I get a call soon I'm so nervous, I wonder how many oos they accept and how long they call for. Application cycle is beyond the word stressful.
 
As far as I know they don't do it alphabetically, I believe they go down in order of your "spot" on the list of accepted students - also there are multiple people calling, so some calls will go out at the same time.
Do you know if they list all IS people on the top of the list? If they did, I'm screwed now since they started calling OOS lol
 
I hope I get a call soon I'm so nervous, I wonder how many oos they accept and how long they call for. Application cycle is beyond the word stressful.

If I remember correctly they increased the class size to 120 and that 55% is IS and 45% is OOS.
 
Was everyone's call No Caller ID? I missed a call about 20 minutes ago and they didn't leave a message..
 
Did everyone who has been accepted see the enrollment deposit thing on their tracking page yesterday?


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Do you know if they list all IS people on the top of the list? If they did, I'm screwed now since they started calling OOS lol
Don't stress out!! There's no way to predict if you "should" have been called already. Just try to relax and the time will pass soon enough 🙂 don't forget that there could be calls going out tomorrow, too.
 
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Congratulations everyone! Are those getting calls on EST or CST? I'm curious if they are waiting to call those of us on the west coast 🙂.
I think I read another years where they said they usually started the west coast people later(so they're not calling you at 6 am), but I'm not 100% on that.
 
are most people who have been already called on the east coast?
in central time here, OOS, didnt see the enrollment deposit thing yesterday but i checked after people said that it had already been taken down so i'm going into today blind haha
 
i guess they're on lunch break now? haha
hopefully they'll start on other time zones (if that's how they're doing it)
 
I just got a call from a random telemarketer from an unknown number.... Biggest tease in the world I'm legit shaking LOL
That's just evil! I had a telemarketer call me this morning too... luckily it was after the first call. I thought he was calling back to retract the offer lol.
 
I also had "enrollment deposit" appear on my online app, but I haven't received a phone call yet. Does anyone know when they stop calling people? Also, am I the only person left who had the enrollment deposit thingy and didn't get a phone call 😵?
 
I also had "enrollment deposit" appear on my online app, but I haven't received a phone call yet. Does anyone know when they stop calling people? Also, am I the only person left who had the enrollment deposit thingy and didn't get a phone call 😵?

its only 2, i'm sure they will call for at least another hour or two.
 
I also had "enrollment deposit" appear on my online app, but I haven't received a phone call yet. Does anyone know when they stop calling people? Also, am I the only person left who had the enrollment deposit thingy and didn't get a phone call 😵?
its only 2, i'm sure they will call for at least another hour or two.
And someone else said they might be calling tomorrow too.
 
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