End of the WWorld Game Thread - 1st Game of 2021

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genny said:
that samac vote for 3M is looking a lil wolfy.
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Same strategy I had in my last game. Vote someone who is inactive to try and draw them out and if they happen to be a wolf that’s great, if they’re an inactive villager it doesn’t hurt as bad as an active villager.



Something I want to be clear on because folks have called me out as insincere but I forgot to quote them and I’m getting ready for bed so im
Not going back to find them. my last game I relied heavily on PMs. I had the mayor chats daily along with my Mason chat so I had someone everyday and kras every night.
so when kras was one of my PM folks I was excited. Obviously I didn’t trust her right away but I was hoping she was village so we could work together again.
then she got yeeted and I got a little pissed because I lost the person I hoped I could grow to trust and bounce ideas off. Flushy hasn’t spoken to me.
So I have to figure out a play style that’s more independent and I’ll work on it, I’m just not there yet.
 
I don’t feel wolf vibes from either cray or coffee?, so I will not switch my vote to either of them
 
Day 1: The End is Near FINAL Yeet Tally

BigCats () -
Mel (1) - DubZ
vmh (1) - kras
AM ()
kras (5) - vmh, Barks, M935, alissa, Philosloth
mayo (1) - alley
DubZ (1) - Sporty
Breadmann (4) - M935, savethecows, alissa, Philosloth
alissa ()
Aprilthearab () -
Viscernable () -
Zepp (1) - Coffee?
FTF () -
Amanasoul (1) - sunshine
Barks (3) - genny, mayo, Mel
Cray (4) - Cyndia, FTF, vetschools, Pip
sunshine ()
Coffee? (6) - Zepp, Aprilthearab, Barks, Breadmann, vmh, Cray
3m (1) - samac
Pippy (2) - Viscernable, AM
savethecows (1) - Amanasoul
samac (1) - SAR
SAR (1) - BC

28/29

Leading: @CoffeeQuestionMark

Missing: @mmmdreamerz

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Yeet/vote CLOSED!
 
samac said:
Vote someone who is inactive to try and draw them out
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I can appreciate the thought behind this, but when you vote for someone who's probably going to get mod killed, you take away our ability to evaluate you by your voting record. Which is something desirable to a wolf.

Finding wolves is half the game, the other half is making sure the villagers are identifiable so we can keep them.
 
Animal Midwife said:
There are more than just them on the board.
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But only switching to one of them would change the outcome. But coffee was ahead by 2 so it wouldn’t have mattered unless someone else changed their mind and waffles at the same time.
 
alleycat03 said:
But only switching to one of them would change the outcome. But coffee was ahead by 2 so it wouldn’t have mattered unless someone else changed their mind and waffles at the same time.
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Nope. That's either/or mentality. I've seen a completely new wolf wagon build and usurp all other wagons in the last 3 minutes because the people watching the thread didn't buy into settling for what was in front of them.
 
genny said:
I can appreciate the thought behind this, but when you vote for someone who's probably going to get mod killed, you take away our ability to evaluate you by your voting record. Which is something desirable to a wolf.

Finding wolves is half the game, the other half is making sure the villagers are identifiable so we can keep them.
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that’s also fair.
If my vote can pull someone out who has been lurking ill try. It’s something. I tried last game and it worked to pull at least one person into the conversation, I guess 3M just isn’t feeling it.

You’re right though, finding wolves is probably at least have the game. I just don’t have any strong feelings yet. I probably have a hard time developing strong village reads.
 
Aprilthearab said:
Sorry I dipped out for the final yeet tally/sorry in advance for dipping out more tonight, my boyfriend got accepted to Cornell and how do you not celebrate that!
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And we survived an undead black dragon so things are going well here too lol.
Congrats to him! Have fun!
 
samac said:
so legitimately, what’s the evidence against kras other than changing up her vote? Which I will say is a bit different than the RNG point she did on the last game. I just ask because she’s my PM partner and I haven’t got incredibly wolf-y vibes. But this very well could be my own judgement clouding everything since we were masons together last time and we have a PM open again.
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samac said:
I always assume there’s at least 1 wolf in a large wagon. If Cray isn’t a wolf I bet there’s one there to.

Sure there’s a learning curve, but someone just used their ability pretty haphazardly if they’re village. Maybe I’m wrong and this will have been super helpful to the village. But I highly doubt it, and if it was a villager shooting their shot it was reckless and dumb. If it was 3P more power to you for moving toward your win condition I guess?
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In general I seem to be agreeing with samacs points and also village points anyways for that top post in light of the kras flip.

PhiloslothicalStudent said:
For M935, I was also a PM partner with them last game and feel like I can trust them which could prove to be a grave nooby mistake.
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I feel like Phil is overplaying the noob hand a bit. Like they're faking the level of noob to come across as less threatening (this post, plus an earlier post about apologizing about kras etc) and just makes my spidey senses tingle.

SARdoghandler said:
I feel like I did this to MsP in the past year, actually. Which has already been addressed but I wanted my due, dammit



Fair warning that it's often bad form to throw shade on someone for being in other threads but not in game thread. I personally will go on sdn during work breaks but not on the game thread because I know I won't have time to properly address anything. Basically, it's NAI at best and typically frowned upon from a site meta perspective
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Realized after this post I couldn't remember a single thing SAR has said so far. Couldn't iso via her profile but searching the thread pretty much still yielded substanceless stuff. So would like to hear more from @SARdoghandler.
 
PippyPony said:
Oh I did see where she mentioned D&D. Carry on lol
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idk how that came off but I meant it as in "you're not cool if you don't know what an undead black dragon is" and not like "cool your jets"



although it IS an apocalypse. We were never told it wasn't a fantasy apocalypse
 
Kept reading and I see SAR did post a good few more times. I don't know why that didn't all come up when I tried to search your stuff in the thread. Still not sure how to read her yet, but a little happier with the level of contribution in the last 2-3 hours.

Okay. I think I'm just too tired to process anymore and gonna just skim and try to be more involved tomorrow since I'm out of surgery and able to actually check in more.
 
PippyPony said:
Wat
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Is cows a complete rookie, too, or should we be very, very confused and concerned?

eta: I see now that they are. Carry on, cows. Not suspicious of you yet.
Amanasoul said:
I worded that poorly. It's just giving me a feeling to keep an eye on Bread in the future. Like I said, nothing strong right now. It's just very middle-ground from my perspective. Feels like self over village kind of attitude.
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That’s Bread. Exactly as chaotic as a villager in noob game and I doubt they’d play any different as another affiliation - their real affiliation will always be bread puns. I know multiple other players have said this before me but wanted to add my 2 cents :beat:
The_Breadmann said:
Did I compliment the wolves? And I was just talking about how a toxic player was smited by the all powerful mods.
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Double wat here. Are you suggesting kras was somehow toxic and was mod-smote (no and no)? Or did we jump the rails to talking about she-who-shall-not-be-named and I just didn’t notice?
Melchizedek said:
Would it change your POV if I told you that Pippy is known around here for her tin-foil-hat theories?


Its ~4 hours before deadline anyone still sitting on a joke vote is on my wolf list.
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Yes, especially in combination with her own explanations. Still a slight wolf lean, but feeling much better about her posts now. Didn’t end up moving my vote since neither of my other wolf reads (Mel and SAR so far) were contenders, Pip wasn’t at risk of actually getting yeeted, and I thought Coffee was a decent candidate for wolf.
PippyPony said:
I stand by "biTe mE aM" being appropriate in any context

As to the rest of it, I still think it's stupid to shoot D1, and I am not moving on that position now or ever. Today someone shot a seer without them having an opportunity to defend, and that is bad for village. If you think it's empirically better to have a dead assassinated seer than a live one (or even a wolf nk'd one), then that is wolfy af and always will be.

The end.
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That’s outcome bias talking imo. Yes, we are worse off because the vig (assuming it is a vig and not a wolf or 3p with a day kill ability) happened to shoot a seer. But a vig didn’t make the decision to shoot a village seer, they made a decision to try and shoot a wolf, knowing they risk killing a villager, even a very important one (again, assuming village vig for the sake of argument, because unless I see convincing evidence otherwise I will die on the hill that vigilante abilities are best when actually used). This is the exact same risk village takes when killing someone by vote.

When village kills, by vote or by vig, there is a small chance of getting a wolf. When wolves kill, there is no chance of getting a wolf (barring lone wolves, redirects, etc). For the best chance at village win, you want to maximize the number of the former relative to the latter. Yes, accuracy is also vital, but except in exceptional circumstances it will never be 100%, and more pertinently vote kills aren’t on average more accurate than vig kills, so if it’s worth it to village to yeet then it should be worth it for a vig to kill.

Why are so many players condemning the decision to kill someone via vig based on a bad outcome, but the decision to yeet is exempt from the same outcome-based judgement (please think about how often early voting gets a villager)?
sunshinefl said:
So does anyone want to um.... come forward and explain why they shot kras?
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Do you want to come forward and explain why you’re asking a vigilante to out themselves in front of all the wolves?
PhiloslothicalStudent said:
I am very overwhelmed with posts and will also unfortunately have to cast my yeet vote a little early as I also have to sleep, I’ve been up since 4am EST. I will try and stay awake but for now

Yeet coffee
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Please sleep. We appreciate your posts but don’t need them more than you need to avoid sleep deprivation 🤗
Crayola227 said:
****ing hate the button for "wanna see more posts" wish could make it default to show all. And then when I hit it half the time have to go back a page and scroll through ones I've read to get to unread ones, and then onto the next page again. Smfh.
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WildZoo said:
It's so annoying! I keep having to scroll back up to make sure I didn't miss things and then it turns out I missed things anyway...
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Tip from someone way too addicted to mobile (The Man will never make me use my laptop unless absolutely forced :rage: ): click the post number of the last post you see before the break. It’s a link to that post’s anchor so it will reload the thread (and the new posts) while keeping you at the same spot. IDK what the “load new posts” button is supposed to do but it sure doesn’t do that. Perhaps it should be labelled “please throw me into a random place on this thread, then perhaps spit on me and call me your *****.”
BigCats said:
Non-read on Mel, you're just trying out samac but don't mention anything that would induce you to vote for them in the first place, mention Coffee as a potential wolf but with the qualifier that you aren't usually good at reading her so don't put actual stock in that, and then calling out sunshine for the same fluff and unclear reads as you. I see a lot of joking around about others' conversations and some advice for noobs which we all know is about as NAI as it gets. I just don't see a lot of substance from you, and the substance you do put forth, you give it so many caveats it's almost meaningless.
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Feeling similarly about SAR. That post about wanting to point out being “helpful” to noobs without actually contributing much content is a good wolf strategy, but that she’s been doing the same thing, was admittedly funny af. Still couldn’t help but think about how convenient it would be for a wolf to simultaneously throw a bit of suspicion someone’s way (especially in a vague, nondirect way that wouldn’t necessarily bring you under scrutiny if they flip village) and pre-emptively clear yourself of suspicion for the same thing with a bit of “golly gee, I was the first to point that out! Would I have drawn attention to it if I were a wolf?”

Not by any means a strong read on her - it is just a few kinda waffley content posts and one semi-joke post - but something I want to keep in mind.
 
Viscernable said:
Is cows a complete rookie, too, or should we be very, very confused and concerned?

eta: I see now that they are. Carry on, cows. Not suspicious of you yet.

That’s Bread. Exactly as chaotic as a villager in noob game and I doubt they’d play any different as another affiliation - their real affiliation will always be bread puns. I know multiple other players have said this before me but wanted to add my 2 cents :beat:

Double wat here. Are you suggesting kras was somehow toxic and was mod-smote (no and no)? Or did we jump the rails to talking about she-who-shall-not-be-named and I just didn’t notice?

Yes, especially in combination with her own explanations. Still a slight wolf lean, but feeling much better about her posts now. Didn’t end up moving my vote since neither of my other wolf reads (Mel and SAR so far) were contenders, Pip wasn’t at risk of actually getting yeeted, and I thought Coffee was a decent candidate for wolf.

That’s outcome bias talking imo. Yes, we are worse off because the vig (assuming it is a vig and not a wolf or 3p with a day kill ability) happened to shoot a seer. But a vig didn’t make the decision to shoot a village seer, they made a decision to try and shoot a wolf, knowing they risk killing a villager, even a very important one (again, assuming village vig for the sake of argument, because unless I see convincing evidence otherwise I will die on the hill that vigilante abilities are best when actually used). This is the exact same risk village takes when killing someone by vote.

When village kills, by vote or by vig, there is a small chance of getting a wolf. When wolves kill, there is no chance of getting a wolf (barring lone wolves, redirects, etc). For the best chance at village win, you want to maximize the number of the former relative to the latter. Yes, accuracy is also vital, but except in exceptional circumstances it will never be 100%, and more pertinently vote kills aren’t on average more accurate than vig kills, so if it’s worth it to village to yeet then it should be worth it for a vig to kill.

Why are so many players condemning the decision to kill someone via vig based on a bad outcome, but the decision to yeet is exempt from the same outcome-based judgement (please think about how often early voting gets a villager)?

Do you want to come forward and explain why you’re asking a vigilante to out themselves in front of all the wolves?

Please sleep. We appreciate your posts but don’t need them more than you need to avoid sleep deprivation 🤗



Tip from someone way too addicted to mobile (The Man will never make me use my laptop unless absolutely forced :rage: ): click the post number of the last post you see before the break. It’s a link to that post’s anchor so it will reload the thread (and the new posts) while keeping you at the same spot. IDK what the “load new posts” button is supposed to do but it sure doesn’t do that. Perhaps it should be labelled “please throw me into a random place on this thread, then perhaps spit on me and call me your *****.”

Feeling similarly about SAR. That post about wanting to point out being “helpful” to noobs without actually contributing much content is a good wolf strategy, but that she’s been doing the same thing, was admittedly funny af. Still couldn’t help but think about how convenient it would be for a wolf to simultaneously throw a bit of suspicion someone’s way (especially in a vague, nondirect way that wouldn’t necessarily bring you under scrutiny if they flip village) and pre-emptively clear yourself of suspicion for the same thing with a bit of “golly gee, I was the first to point that out! Would I have drawn attention to it if I were a wolf?”

Not by any means a strong read on her - it is just a few kinda waffley content posts and one semi-joke post - but something I want to keep in mind.
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Hi. This post is very long.

When someone is shot in the middle of the freaking day with no warning, they have no opportunity to provide their reads or share other information. We also have no opportunity to watch which people are pushing their vote.

It is absolutely NOT the same as accidentally voting off a villager.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
 
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