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*Shrug*

Even if it partially is, retaliatory votes are not always actually sketchy. We can play the WIFOM game if you want, but consider that it's probably more likely that I'd do something overtly sketchy when I don't care as much about the consequences. It's why I have genny sitting as slight village right now - when she's village she doesn't g.a.f.

But basically, this vote is because you like to go to extremes wrt me when you're a wolf -- either you try to get me lynched or you get hyperbolic with saying I'm a good player blah blah. Combined with the generalized feels I got off of some of your posts, it has me on edge. Plus, see earlier justification about why I'm voting for you instead of snowy right now.

If you care to back up that "go to extremes when a wolf" claim, I'll pay attention. But I'm calling BS.

Sounds more like you're just trying to make up reasons now.

Just keeps getting sketchier.
 
AM and Jil both had single posts that raised major alarm bells for me, but I haven't gotten feels from the rest of their play so far. Keeping an eye there.

LIS voting to "protect" STL d1 struck me as...a little odd. Trying to pocket the super spy? STL only had two votes at the time, one of which was clearly a joke, so I don't get LIS voting specifically to take the "heat" off of him.

I explained the vote - he was actually playing (unlike last game) and when he's playing, I like him around a while. He's entertaining and crafty. But I also like to lynch him midgame because he's a dangerous wolf and I can never read him. I didn't like what appeared to me to be a brewing bandwagon, so I voted to level things.

*shrug* Make of it what you will.

Which posts by AM and Jil were most alarm-raising?
 
Posted before I got my reason in.
Pippy probably won’t take offense at my vote, and I think it’s good to get some leaders before the last 20 minutes of lynch. Plus, I will probably change later.
 
I explained the vote - he was actually playing (unlike last game) and when he's playing, I like him around a while. He's entertaining and crafty. But I also like to lynch him midgame because he's a dangerous wolf and I can never read him. I didn't like what appeared to me to be a brewing bandwagon, so I voted to level things.

*shrug* Make of it what you will.

Which posts by AM and Jil were most alarm-raising?
Eh, just seemed like a bit of an overreaction. But I can see how the other conversation around him (even though there hadn't been more votes placed) could have looked like it was leading to a bandwagon.

As for the other stuff
AM:

lynch frozenshades because this is exactly what I said in the D1 lynch last game and I was a wolf 😏

Interesting insight upon rereads

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What insight did you discover?

I noticed that and it seemed pretty WIFOM to me. Would she draw that much attention to herself as a wolf? Is she village, feeling carefree, and making a joke?
Accidentally left out Paws's response to AM's first question and it's too much work to go grab it, but Paws basically said that she was referring to the fact that Allie had pointed out FS did something allie herself did as a wolf. Which...duh. Paws made that obvious by quoting allie's post.

I've called AM out in the past when she was a wolf for not doing her usual question asking - not 20 questions but legitimate ones - and to me this read like her just trying to come up with a reason to ask a question. There was no further information she could have gained from asking it.

I quoted her other response to Paws too because it was just...odd.

Jil:
I also thought it was an interesting vote, but I also thought the reasons for it being interesting were pretty obvious, other than what AM said above. Like a vote with no explanation from the mayor made me wonder if she knew something we didn't. I also realize that short posts, sometimes just a lynch vote, are normal for ny. That doesn't mean I didn't stow it away has an "interesting" post to keep in mind in the future.
I think I talked about this before, Jil's response about STL asking why AM found ny's vote for LIS interesting.

This set off alarms for me both because Jil should know by now that STL asks people questions like this all the time to see where their thought process is, but also because despite her saying the reason the vote was interesting was "obvious," she and AM gave two different reasons. And I didn't think the one she gave was obvious at all.
 
Eh, just seemed like a bit of an overreaction. But I can see how the other conversation around him (even though there hadn't been more votes placed) could have looked like it was leading to a bandwagon.

As for the other stuff
AM:


Accidentally left out Paws's response to AM's first question and it's too much work to go grab it, but Paws basically said that she was referring to the fact that Allie had pointed out FS did something allie herself did as a wolf. Which...duh. Paws made that obvious by quoting allie's post.

I've called AM out in the past when she was a wolf for not doing her usual question asking - not 20 questions but legitimate ones - and to me this read like her just trying to come up with a reason to ask a question. There was no further information she could have gained from asking it.

I quoted her other response to Paws too because it was just...odd.

Jil:

I think I talked about this before, Jil's response about STL asking why AM found ny's vote for LIS interesting.

This set off alarms for me both because Jil should know by now that STL asks people questions like this all the time to see where their thought process is, but also because despite her saying the reason the vote was interesting was "obvious," she and AM gave two different reasons. And I didn't think the one she gave was obvious at all.
AM had already given her reason, so I also offered my reason for feeling it was interesting. But, really? You didn’t think my reason was obvious? Huh. I’m actually a little surprised by that.
 
This is coming off as pot to kettle to me. Paws is an easy vote.

Don't understand the pot/kettle your talking about, but I had good reasons I stated that I vote paws.

At some point, I think it would be nice for my manatee to live past D3 in a game, and that's all I'm going to say about that.

Well I don't want to discourage her from playing but we can't just let her live forever if we think she's a wolf "just so she can survive past D3". If she plays enough she will learn how to play better (lol says me who is always thought as sketchy). But like everyone always wants to lynch cray and she has talked her way out of lynch before. AM used to be the always easy D1 vote and get lynched a lot for her play and now she's a pretty good player that survives long and is helpful. The noob card just doesn't work for me right now. If I think she's a wolf, I'm voting to lynch her.

I didn't play last game so didn't even realize allie was a wolf, and it was D1 so still not sure how to really make a useful vote.

Oh whoops didn't realize that. Must have played with you the game before..
 
AM had already given her reason, so I also offered my reason for feeling it was interesting. But, really? You didn’t think my reason was obvious? Huh. I’m actually a little surprised by that.
Nope. It was d1. Few games, if any, around here give n0 (pre game-start) actions. How would she know something we didn't?
 
I don't get the Jil votes. She seems to be playing pretty normal. I don't know what to make of the pippy/lis stuff because they are both on my wolf list, but they probably aren't both wolves. I could still vote paws, but since no one else is convinced she is wolf and since she didn't play last game and didn't know allie was a wolf that game, I probably won't. I keep going back and forth on AM. And cray seems like her normal self so I've got her on village lean.
 
Don't understand the pot/kettle your talking about, but I had good reasons I stated that I vote paws.

You mentioned voting for Paws because she voted for allie D1 on the premise of that being an easy vote. Paws has been lynched withing the first few game in her only games. Come to think of it, I don't know why you came to that conclusion when you've only played with allie twice and neither time had a bandwagon on her.

Well I don't want to discourage her from playing but we can't just let her live forever if we think she's a wolf "just so she can survive past D3". If she plays enough she will learn how to play better (lol says me who is always thought as sketchy). But like everyone always wants to lynch cray and she has talked her way out of lynch before. AM used to be the always easy D1 vote and get lynched a lot for her play and now she's a pretty good player that survives long and is helpful. The noob card just doesn't work for me right now. If I think she's a wolf, I'm voting to lynch her.

Also, I don't think I've ever been lynched D1. You're thinking of cdo or Coop. I'm the midgame lynch.
 
AM had already given her reason, so I also offered my reason for feeling it was interesting. But, really? You didn’t think my reason was obvious? Huh. I’m actually a little surprised by that.
Also for the reason you followed up with - it's ny. That's 100% a typical post from her. If she actually had reason to be voting for LIS, she probably would have said something.
 
Lynch pippy

For self-preservation. And I'm curious about the pippy/lis stuff. Will try to get back on later for more thoughts, but today is a crazy day and so I don't know if I will.
 
You mentioned voting for Paws because she voted for allie D1 on the premise of that being an easy vote. Paws has been lynched withing the first few game in her only games. Come to think of it, I don't know why you came to that conclusion when you've only played with allie twice and neither time had a bandwagon on her.



Also, I don't think I've ever been lynched D1. You're thinking of cdo or Coop. I'm the midgame lynch.

Oh really? I guess when I started playing with you, people must have started voting or you early game even if you weren't the one lynched. I just remember people being like "AM is an easy vote" so many times.

And I said allie was an easy vote because she was a wolf last game and that is a pretty safe vote that doesn't make a lot of people question you especially with the reasoning of to get her talking (because if she was a quiet wolf last game get her talking early is a good thought). But paws didn't play last game so all that is void.
 
Pippy probably won’t take offense at my vote,
I won't? On a night when I said I can't be around? I don't know what you're smoking genny, but please send some my way so I can dissociate after my test tomorrow.

Before anyone else decides to jump in on the fun -- I'm not going to be able to defend tonight, so I would make for a nice easy lynch. But if that's what you're looking for, then by all means, go to town
:kiss:

Edit: posted before I saw Snowy's vote. So yeah, speaking of jumping on easy votes... not shocked about that, tbh.
 
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And I said allie was an easy vote because she was a wolf last game and that is a pretty safe vote that doesn't make a lot of people question you especially with the reasoning of to get her talking (because if she was a quiet wolf last game get her talking early is a good thought). But paws didn't play last game so all that is void.

So that was your only reasoning for voting Paws? Because she wanted allie to talk early?
 
Nope. It was d1. Few games, if any, around here give n0 (pre game-start) actions. How would she know something we didn't?
We knew that the mayor got “something” I didn’t think it was unreasonable to think that something was a tidbit of info. That’s why I said I thought it was interesting, but something I was simply stowing away as a datapoint for the future.
Also for the reason you followed up with - it's ny. That's 100% a typical post from her. If she actually had reason to be voting for LIS, she probably would have said something.
I also brought up in my post that it was typical for ny, hence the “interesting” but I also knew it might be nothing, therefore just made note of it, but I wasn’t willing to act on it at that point.
 
A New Hope? D3 Lynch Tally

genny (1) - jil
snowy (2) am, cray
Lis (1) - pippy
Dubz (1) - paws
Pippy (3) - LIS, genny, snowy

8/14
Missing: dubz, sporty, stl, doghead, dds, greeney

Lynch ends ~ 2 hours

 
I’d like to know what everyone is seeing sketch about AM and snowy. I feel like I’m missing something, more so with AM.
Already stated, and I'm pretty sure I'm AM's only vote lol
We knew that the mayor got “something” I didn’t think it was unreasonable to think that something was a tidbit of info. That’s why I said I thought it was interesting, but something I was simply stowing away as a datapoint for the future.
Transient but important action /= equate to info in my mind. Again, just stating why I didn't find it obvious. I wasn't so much concerned with you stating why you found ny's vote interesting in general as with the context of the response, which read like you were agreeing with the shade thrown at STL for asking the question in the first place.
 
Running out of time gotta visit my sick kitty but Lynch AM.
Hopefully I'll get the chance to explain before the lynch closes!
 
sticking with lynch AM but I'll have more reads soon
What's your original reasoning for AM?

So pippy/snowy/AM.

Today was a day where i just want able to get on here, so I am sticking with yesterday's and say before 's feels.

************lynch snowy***********
 
Already stated, and I'm pretty sure I'm AM's only vote lol

Transient but important action /= equate to info in my mind. Again, just stating why I didn't find it obvious. I wasn't so much concerned with you stating why you found ny's vote interesting in general as with the context of the response, which read like you were agreeing with the shade thrown at STL for asking the question in the first place.
My intent was not to throw shade at STL. I did think it was weird that he thought AM’s “interesting” comment was weird, but I guess it’s just because my mind went somewhere that felt obvious to me, but apparently wasn’t to others.
 
What's your original reasoning for AM?

So pippy/snowy/AM.

Today was a day where i just want able to get on here, so I am sticking with yesterday's and say before 's feels.

************lynch snowy***********
I've posted it like 3 different times, man

Accidentally left out Paws's response to AM's first question and it's too much work to go grab it, but Paws basically said that she was referring to the fact that Allie had pointed out FS did something allie herself did as a wolf. Which...duh. Paws made that obvious by quoting allie's post.

I've called AM out in the past when she was a wolf for not doing her usual question asking - not 20 questions but legitimate ones - and to me this read like her just trying to come up with a reason to ask a question. There was no further information she could have gained from asking it.

I quoted her other response to Paws too because it was just...odd.
 
My intent was not to throw shade at STL. I did think it was weird that he thought AM’s “interesting” comment was weird, but I guess it’s just because my mind went somewhere that felt obvious to me, but apparently wasn’t to others.
I didn't even read it as him finding her comment weird. Just seemed like he wanted to know her thought process. You can ask the same question of things you agree with, just to see if the thoughts line up.
 
I didn't even read it as him finding her comment weird. Just seemed like he wanted to know her thought process. You can ask the same question of things you agree with, just to see if the thoughts line up.
Clearly, we both interpreted things differently. I did think STL was saying AM’s comment was weird, but maybe that was just because I agreed with her comment, even if it did turn out to be for different reasons.
 
Anybody else getting annoyed by seeing the phrase "easy lynch" or "easy vote" about 5000 times? No? Just me? Well anyway, on a related note...

I want to put cray in my village column but this is bugging me
but I have to suspect anyone that goes after such an easy lynch target (me) and could easily hide behind my general sketchiness to explain their "mistake." Just hard to tell when it's villager on villager or something more nefarious.
I don't think you can continue to claim to be an easy lynch target when you made it to the end of the previous game despite probably daily suspicion.

A couple other things that caught my attention:

Pippy is being really active and less insightful then I remember which makes me put her in my wolfy category (she likes being a wolf therefore she might be more active if she was a wolf vs a villager?).
I don't think she's being any more active than usual. Could maybe see the less insightful part, but I don't know if it is possible for pip to be more active than usual without talking to herself.

Villagers usually just say what they feel to catch wolves and not do whatever they can to stay alive as long as possible
Not always true. Depends on who you are but I could see someone who is lynched early often choosing their words more carefully, even as village, for various reasons.

No, trying to narrow the field. gotta asume some people are village especially for a D1 vote
I know I've said similar things before but like...you can't assume someone is village based on pre-role comments that they would be busy. I could see saying you didn't want to vote for Pip of Jil based on activity level alone, and had no other glaring reason to vote for them, but this statement is weird.
 
Damnit WZ I'm agreeing too much with you, though not enough to go for AM yet.
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I know I've said similar things before but like...you can't assume someone is village based on pre-role comments that they would be busy. I could see saying you didn't want to vote for Pip of Jil based on activity level alone, and had no other glaring reason to vote for them, but this statement is weird.

This was a quote specifically about day 1 and my reads on both of them have been since clarified. Please see my last post. I only meant on day one you have to narrow the list some how.


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Damnit WZ I'm agreeing too much with you, though not enough to go for AM yet.
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This was a quote specifically about day 1 and my reads on both of them have been since clarified. Please see my last post. I only meant on day one you have to narrow the list some how.


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Um, you never lynched WZ. You lynched me.
 
lynch LIS

Interesting.

You're interesting. But interestingly, I want to know why you think it's interesting.

LIS is a pretty useful/active player, so I don't understand why he'd be thrown out as a D1 vote.

I also thought it was an interesting vote, but I also thought the reasons for it being interesting were pretty obvious, other than what AM said above. Like a vote with no explanation from the mayor made me wonder if she knew something we didn't. I also realize that short posts, sometimes just a lynch vote, are normal for ny. That doesn't mean I didn't stow it away has an "interesting" post to keep in mind in the future.

Just going back to the original exchange. I'm seriously not understanding why the "interesting" exchange is being used to say AM is weird. I've called her out for being different this game, but to me that's because I find her more active and easy to understand, which is definitely a change. However, her reasoning regarding Ny's vote for LIS was sound, and I just don't get why it feels like Jil was taking issue here with either one of them.
 
I'm down to snowy and green eyes for possible lynch votes for today.

I feel like greeneyes is being a noob, but I'm really frustrated by her pop in pop out mode and feel like she's possibly being told to lay low.

Snowy is being a circular as possible with her reads and has clearly interested STL. Would love to know more about this.

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A New Hope? D3 Lynch Tally

genny (1) - jil
snowy (4) - am, cray, Pippy, STL
Lis () -
Dubz () -
Pippy (2) - LIS, snowy
AM (2) - WZ, greeney
greeney (1) - genny

10/14
Missing: sporty, doghead, dds, Paws

Lynch ends in 50 minutes

 
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