Fire Emblem: Three HoWWses Game Thread

[chicandtoughness]

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I mean…any wolf should generally be able to vouch for a villager’s affiliation, no?

Yes, but would a villager be able to vouch the same in return?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I missed a large portion of today's posting so I don't know how much it was discussed, but I think there was suspicion that Vis was resurrected by Poppy

Or was it the village rezzer who rezzed Vis and Nate was the wolf rez?

The only thing confirmed is that fluff rezzed Nate. I said this earlier about the situation though.

I'm surprise by your assumption that Nate must be a villager and Vis must be a wolf when villagers have rezzed wolves multiple times and vice versa. And the disregarding of genny is pretty eh. I still don't understand how fluff is confirmed village but no one seems willing to explain that to me.

 

[justafluff]

This right here. How can you simultaneously claim you’re vouching for Nate for the exact same reason SAR “vouched” for you (even though she didn’t really), AND at the same time, claim to have “no idea” what I am talking about?!

Nate’s death and subsequent flip flat out proved you’ve been lying through your teeth!

I’m sick of this BS from you. Screw it.

I’m Gilbert. I try on new roles every night. N1 I targeted SAR. The role I copied was basically just “If Fluff dies, I die instead”.

This is what SAR’s role is. Again, I want to remind everyone she didn’t “vouch for Fluff” she said she would prefer Fluff not die. THIS is why.

But that also means Fluff is a LIAR! The very fact that Nate died, and flipped means Fluff’s whole “I vouch for Nate the same way SAR vouched for me” is a LIE!

You’re outted Fluff!

Unfortunately I really do think SAR is village, and I’ve been mulling over how to handle this. But I think it’s time village knew so we can stop listening to these BS lies Fluff keeps spinning.

If there’s a tinkerer out there, maybe make something to decouple SAR from Fluff? Idk. Get creative with it. Say it’s “Really durable. Like REALLY durable.” That’s always helped in the past.

Spoiler

Anyway… I’m going to continue my catch up now. 6 pages to go.

SAR’s a devoted follower of mine you dingus! I don’t know her role exactly, I don’t control that. Maybe she’s a bodyguard or a protector. Nate flipped and was village, just like I thought he’d be. I’m village. What more do you want?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I never included you in that group, I said "most of us" and did not mention you at all. Cool ya beans

My beans are bushed. Baked even.

 

[Aprilthearab]

The only thing confirmed is that fluff rezzed Nate. I said this earlier about the situation though.

Okay, so likely fluff rezzed nate and poppy rezzed vis, unless we think there's a third rezzer floating around

Hm. Thinking

 

[Wiisp]

@Aprilthearab
u said ur not technically affiliated with anyone right?

 

[Aprilthearab]

@Aprilthearab
u said ur not technically affiliated with anyone right?

As far as I know, correct

 

[Wiisp]

just want to keep that in mind, cause I suspect in town!you worlds, there are probably more people un-affiliated

 

[NateTheLesser]

Yes, but would a villager be able to vouch the same in return?

(Let's not get factions and affiliation all mixed together again. We spent several pages yesterday trying to figure out if AM's message meant that people in the same faction were all the same affiliation. I think it's notable though that Poppy didn't have any faction other than the wolf faction)

 

[Wiisp]

(Let's not get factions and affiliation all mixed together again. We spent several pages yesterday trying to figure out if AM's message meant that people in the same faction were all the same affiliation. I think it's notable though that Poppy didn't have any faction other than the wolf faction)

could be the case with Miranda though, but no has vouched for them, not that I think anyone would, its possible they are affiliated with both the church and the sneks

 

[chicandtoughness]

(Let's not get factions and affiliation all mixed together again. We spent several pages yesterday trying to figure out if AM's message meant that people in the same faction were all the same affiliation. I think it's notable though that Poppy didn't have any faction other than the wolf faction)

Are you saying your vouch for fluff was that you are in the same (flavor) affiliation? Clarify what you meant pre-death. Because I thought you were vouching for fluff as a fellow villager.

 

[justafluff]

Oh yeah
Yeet Miranda @kaydubs

 

[chicandtoughness]

@justafluff True or false: you know all members in your flavor/affiliation (e.g. you know all folks in the Church)

 

[chicandtoughness]

Also @NateTheLesser current read on Zenge?

 

[justafluff]

@justafluff True or false: you know all members in your flavor/affiliation (e.g. you know folks in the Church)

Yes minus reborn Nate

 

[Lawpy]

The only thing confirmed is that fluff rezzed Nate. I said this earlier about the situation though.

How are you reading fluffy and zenges?

 

[Animal Midwife]

How are you reading fluffy and zenges?

Still POE and neutral, respectively.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Are you saying your vouch for fluff was that you are in the same (flavor) affiliation? Clarify what you meant pre-death. Because I thought you were vouching for fluff as a fellow villager.

(Feel like I need to ISO myself to see exactly what I said 😆)

 

[NateTheLesser]

Are you saying your vouch for fluff was that you are in the same (flavor) affiliation? Clarify what you meant pre-death. Because I thought you were vouching for fluff as a fellow villager.

Here, from Nate Prime:

I don't want to get too deep into the weeds of what info I had in my role PM vs what others seem to have, but aspects of Clem's Zenge claim and fluff's and SAR's various claims match up with the sort of info I started with. Those aren't strong townreads either because we don't know much about how flavor relates to alignment yet, but if I ordered them by towniness it'd probably go fluff>Zenge>SAR>Clem.

 

[chicandtoughness]

(Feel like I need to ISO myself to see exactly what I said 😆)

I just ISO’ed and will eat my words. All you said was you had info about fluff (#2336, presumably you knew her flavor or something), and then stated you were townreading her (#1901). Disregard my prior arguments which included your supposed vouch for fluff. All other comments still stand.

 

[chicandtoughness]

Given you were townreading fluff and Zenge pretty closely, what do you make of this clear head to head they are in? Zenge has declared pretty blatantly they believe fluff is wolf.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Also @NateTheLesser current read on Zenge?

(Town lean. I don't see why w!Zenge would make this much of a splash to push a misyeet on fluff, so I think it's just Town who thinks they're onto something juicy. And I said previously, I give him town points for not piling on me yesterday when it would have been pretty easy and beneficial to do so. He was tied for the lead for quite some time. Not out of the realm of possibility for a wolf, but still)

 

[NateTheLesser]

Given you were townreading fluff and Zenge pretty closely, what do you make of this clear head to head they are in? Zenge has declared pretty blatantly they believe fluff is wolf.

(Yesterday I said I thought his approach to fluff was sus, because I didn't see why his opinion would be as strong as it was based on the stuff he was pointing to. Knowing his role info makes his perspective more clear, I just don't agree with it)

 

[NateTheLesser]

(Gonna finish my backread and do spreadsheet stuff now that it seems like there aren't as many people around to realtime with)

 

[justafluff]

I think Fluff is a hit, I don’t have any proof of that directly, but I think she’s being very wolfy. I think her lying about the SAR thing is just more evidence that’s she’s been dishonest.

I’m also just sick of the constant narrative she’s been pushing that “SAR vouched for me”. Because NO that’s not even remotely true. She keeps pushing this lie that SAR vouched for her, and that’s NOT what’s going on here.

Maybe I am misinterpreting the thing with Nate because I’m tunneling this pretty deep, but come on, you have to see she’s been disingenuously pushing that SAR vouched for her, which is not the reality of the situation at all. Surely you see that?

Oh btw:

Consider it a gentle vouch

 

[Aprilthearab]

Oh btw:

I brought that up, see his response here

But SAR did use the word vouch herself, it wasn't just assumed, so I could understand where village!Fluff would misinterpret if you define "vouch" as "know the affiliation of"

She later recanted that and said very clearly she didn’t know the affiliation of Fluff.

I see what you’re saying but I also think it’s just as reasonable to assume wolf!fluff took the “vouch” from someone being widely town read and ran with it.

 

[NateTheLesser]

(Updated my original spreadsheet post. On the waterfall and piles, I used the faction colors that Sporty's been using in the flips. Analysis tomorrow)

(Here's my usual spreadsheet nonsense. I'll keep it updated as long as I'm alive.

Day 1 Votes​

Day 2 Votes​

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Waterfall​

EOD Wagons​

I can explain more for the newbies tomorrow, gn)

 

[Aprilthearab]

Oh btw:

Is this all you had to say about Zenge's argument? Did you see his role reveal and everything to "out" you?

 

[justafluff]

Is this all you had to say about Zenge's argument? Did you see his role reveal and everything to "out" you?

Why is it outing that I said SAR vouched for me?
I had no idea about SAR’s role up until Zenge revealed it.
I thought SAR originally vouched for me because she had the same info about me that I had about her. Hence since I also had info about Nate, I thought that’s the main reason SAR spoke up.
I just freaking drank the truth tea even and revealed all my abilities.
there’s really nothing more there, I don’t get why he’s pushing and pushing.

 

[justafluff]

SAR like me, and like Nate before he died, are all part of the church. If you all wanna keep pushing that “oh we don’t know if wolves have infiltrated the church” that’s wolfy at this point. I drank a tea and revealed every ability I have (just the rez) and it didn’t include a factional kill. Nate even freaking ended up dead to show you all he was telling the truth about his character and ability. We have been the most outed village faction and yet Zenge is still pushing that I’m the wolf.

 

[StartingoverVet]

This right here. How can you simultaneously claim you’re vouching for Nate for the exact same reason SAR “vouched” for you (even though she didn’t really), AND at the same time, claim to have “no idea” what I am talking about?!

Nate’s death and subsequent flip flat out proved you’ve been lying through your teeth!

I’m sick of this BS from you. Screw it.

I’m Gilbert. I try on new roles every night. N1 I targeted SAR. The role I copied was basically just “If Fluff dies, I die instead”.

This is what SAR’s role is. Again, I want to remind everyone she didn’t “vouch for Fluff” she said she would prefer Fluff not die. THIS is why.

But that also means Fluff is a LIAR! The very fact that Nate died, and flipped means Fluff’s whole “I vouch for Nate the same way SAR vouched for me” is a LIE!

You’re outted Fluff!

Unfortunately I really do think SAR is village, and I’ve been mulling over how to handle this. But I think it’s time village knew so we can stop listening to these BS lies Fluff keeps spinning.

If there’s a tinkerer out there, maybe make something to decouple SAR from Fluff? Idk. Get creative with it. Say it’s “Really durable. Like REALLY durable.” That’s always helped in the past.

Spoiler

Anyway… I’m going to continue my catch up now. 6 pages to go.

NAI but badly done Zenge, I haven’t read the replies to you yet, but you just outed a protector. This setup is to protect an important role in most games, and all you did was give the wolves a roadmap to take out Fluff. You are clearly not wolfy, but you have not helped us at all with this. Le sigh. 🙁

Note: this role was in the very first ever WW game in prev-vet. I should know.

 

[StartingoverVet]

OMG, you all are unbelievable. Villagers don’t always tell the full truth when they have power roles. That doesn’t make them a wolf. Fluff is clearly part of the church faction and one of those members is there to make sure she stays alive. The village needs her for some reason.

We know wolves are not church members, they slither, ergo Fluff is not a wolf.

This entire misguided discourse is just adding to the wolves game solving.

Note to @Animal Midwife this is a mechanics driven game and if you are just going to ignore mechanics you will continue to lead the village to defeat. Your reads are all wrong so far. Rethink your assumptions. I am willing to assume you are just misguided, but it is a fine line between misguided and wolf.

 

[holdthemayo]

On call for the next 24 hrs so my activity will be sporadic/unpredictable.

Has anything changed since I stopped ****posting last night?

Ie is Miranda still a seered wolf?

 

[Viscernable]

Here's what I understand (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

SAR states that they do not want fluff to be killed.
Zenge asks for clarification.
SAR specifies that this is NOT due to affiliation, and hints that it is due to role mechanics.
Zenge understands.
Nate/fluff vouch for each other by stating they are of the same affiliation/faction.
Someone asks fluff whether she can also vouch for SAR in the same way.
fluff confirms, says that she is vouching for SAR in the same way she is vouching for Nate (e.g. SAR is her same affiliation). Has leaned hard into this by insisting that yes, SAR is in their affiliation/faction.
SAR never really stated that they wanted fluff kept alive for affiliation reasons.
Zenge just confirmed that SAR/fluff are tied by role mechanics, not necessarily for affiliation reasons.

This is my understanding too but I don’t see it as outting, just suspicious they weren’t nk’d but hey wifom and other nk priorities exist

 

[Viscernable]

Wondalfy caught miranda in a lie

Used a role seer on her and Miranda claimed on thread a different character from Wondalfy's results. Her "real" character according to Wondalfy is one that is highly likely to be a wolf based on lore

Oh maybe I should actually catch up on those pages huh

 

[Viscernable]

Why you gotta angry me AM?! 😕

AMADWW

 

[holdthemayo]

This right here. How can you simultaneously claim you’re vouching for Nate for the exact same reason SAR “vouched” for you (even though she didn’t really), AND at the same time, claim to have “no idea” what I am talking about?!

Nate’s death and subsequent flip flat out proved you’ve been lying through your teeth!

I’m sick of this BS from you. Screw it.

I’m Gilbert. I try on new roles every night. N1 I targeted SAR. The role I copied was basically just “If Fluff dies, I die instead”.

This is what SAR’s role is. Again, I want to remind everyone she didn’t “vouch for Fluff” she said she would prefer Fluff not die. THIS is why.

But that also means Fluff is a LIAR! The very fact that Nate died, and flipped means Fluff’s whole “I vouch for Nate the same way SAR vouched for me” is a LIE!

You’re outted Fluff!

Unfortunately I really do think SAR is village, and I’ve been mulling over how to handle this. But I think it’s time village knew so we can stop listening to these BS lies Fluff keeps spinning.

If there’s a tinkerer out there, maybe make something to decouple SAR from Fluff? Idk. Get creative with it. Say it’s “Really durable. Like REALLY durable.” That’s always helped in the past.

Spoiler

Anyway… I’m going to continue my catch up now. 6 pages to go.

Oh wow. I went to bed right before it got good.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 3 Tally: Cut A Bloody Path

Nate ()
VeggieTrex ()
alleycat ()
miranda920 (12) - zuri>Lawpy, Wisp, VeggieT, Wondalfy, AM, SOV, April, HW>mayo, Santy, alley, chicandtough, fluff
mothy (1) - genny
Zenge ()

13/20

Winning/Losing: @miranda920
Missing: @SARdoghandler @Clem J @Viscernable @NateTheLesser @Zenge142 @motheatenlysis @miranda920

Vote ends 10pm EST/9pm CST/etc TODAY, 1/18/23 (~12.5 hours)

 

[Wiisp]

i like nates evaluation of Zenge, but thays pretty much as far as this goes, im not convinced i should vote in the church when we already know who our enemies are, I think Zenge's case a built on semantics, rather than anything actually outting

 

[Wiisp]

Keep looking for the sneks and if the game is still going we can think of whats happening then

 

[Animal Midwife]

OMG, you all are unbelievable. Villagers don’t always tell the full truth when they have power roles. That doesn’t make them a wolf. Fluff is clearly part of the church faction and one of those members is there to make sure she stays alive. The village needs her for some reason.

We know wolves are not church members, they slither, ergo Fluff is not a wolf.

This entire misguided discourse is just adding to the wolves game solving.

Note to @Animal Midwife this is a mechanics driven game and if you are just going to ignore mechanics you will continue to lead the village to defeat. Your reads are all wrong so far. Rethink your assumptions. I am willing to assume you are just misguided, but it is a fine line between misguided and wolf.

All my reads are wrong?! Good god, I can't believe dubz is a wolf. I should quit WW forever because I clearly haven't cumulatively played longer than you and thus am incapable of winning multiple games.

 

[justafluff]

Ugh again I wish @samac was alive so I could ask her about her fluff read

I think the only reason we decided not to yeet fluff and back off of her wolf read was SAR's "please don't yeet her," right? I'm feeling like that made most of us let our guards down with fluff and start reading her posts with village-colored glasses. Then samac came in and wanted to yeet her to the moon. And maybe that's the right call

Samac said “church is bad” which seems like a factional agenda to me. Nate flipped church and was village. The end.
Samac was just trying to fulfill her exclusive wincon.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Samac said “church is bad” which seems like a factional agenda to me. Nate flipped church and was village. The end.
Samac was just trying to fulfill her exclusive wincon.

Where did it say samac wasn't village, let alone, exclusive?

 

[Lawpy]

Samac said “church is bad” which seems like a factional agenda to me. Nate flipped church and was village. The end.
Samac was just trying to fulfill her exclusive wincon.

I thought samacs initial impression of you was that you were wolfy though

 

[Santygrass]

Where did it say samac wasn't village, let alone, exclusive?

Read the first post of the game with the flavor introduction.

I said it a lot of times I think.

Black Eagles/Adrstian Empire objective is to destroy the church, that is the principal reason they started the war with the whole continent.

Samac said that church was bad.

You only need to do 2+2 to conclude that probably Black Eagles and Church will be at each other throats in terms of wincons . That is the assumption / hypothesis I'm looking at the game at, and it adds up to what I have seen

 

[justafluff]

Where did it say samac wasn't village, let alone, exclusive?

I didn’t say she wasn’t village. I’m just suspecting the Black Eagles are against the church.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Read the first post of the game with the flavor introduction.

I said it a lot of times I think.

Black Eagles/Adrstian Empire objective is to destroy the church, that is the principal reason they started the war with the whole continent.

Samac said that church was bad.

You only need to do 2+2 to conclude that probably Black Eagles and Church will be at each other throats in terms of wincons . That is the assumption / hypothesis I'm looking at the game at, and it adds up to what I have seen

That still doesn't say anything about exclusivity.

I didn’t say she wasn’t village. I’m just suspecting the Black Eagles are against the church.

That means she's inclusive by default. You can't be exclusive if you're village. I also don't get the impression that she was prioritizing anything before hunting wolves. If she was blindly hunting church, she would have shot you last night.

 

[justafluff]

I thought samacs initial impression of you was that you were wolfy though

Yes initially, in the first 7 pages of the game. By EOD yesterday she must have figured out I’m also church so it became a bigger incentive to take me and Nate out.

 

[justafluff]

That still doesn't say anything about exclusivity.

That means she's inclusive by default. You can't be exclusive if you're village. I also don't get the impression that she was prioritizing anything before hunting wolves. If she was blindly hunting church, she would have shot you last night.

My bad. I thought exclusive meant “against village”

 

[Santygrass]

i have reason to believe the church is not good for the overall state of village and if they’re not wolves I think their wincon is exclusive so I could not really care less if the whole church crumbles.

I'm going to translate

'I have reason to believe' = 'It's in my wincon interest'

All faction / village has reason to hunt for wolves, that doesnt mean that there will be conflicting wincons between them.

As a fact, from game lore, the Black Eagles are prone to have a more exclusive wincon than the Church , so wowee.