GGoats ThWWee: Here It GGoats Again - GAME THREAD

[Zenge142]

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Well if you die by fire and we misyeet someone we are even worse off

Misyeeting anyone today is a village loss. It's MYLO

 

[WildZoo]

Anyway! Setting the discussion with samac aside:
Looking forward to a state of the union (isn't that what it's called?) from the mayors, assuming they live. Would like to see more engagement from mkg personally.
If there's a wolf in KJQ/Greedy, I think it's more likely to be Greedy.
Vote movements EOD yesterday make me think there was a wolf in contention with fruit so I'm fine with pressure on mads and would like to see how she responds to it.

Just...noting this. Could be one of those things, you know?

I'm working on a large Zenge analysis post but sometimes I get distracted

 

[vampyrica]

could be, could not be

 

[vampyrica]

sucks that mkg wont be here until later today to help answer that question (GOOD LUCK WITH MOVING MWAH MWAH!!)

 

[WildZoo]

Personally, still not feeling great about samac. I know her and Zenge have asserted they're the same aff but I just. I feel not great. I don't think flipping mads is a bad idea with her vote movements yesterday (and she also hasn't come back to make me feel better) but I'm not completely locked in on a wolfread.
I never townread Greedy and, while I admit it would be a little on the nose, KJQ's posts have me squinting in that direction as well.
Why are you asking me?

Another one, although if PSV was notified of being watched and/or she was triggered by genny's direct questioning (which she seemed to be) she may have been in antispew already, so hard to say.

 

[WildZoo]

Unless KJQ was a wolf, and PSV Killed her while Lissa used an action to make KJQ flip village, to throw people off.

I don't think that's what happened here.

I just wanted to point out that it's theoretically possible.

I'm being a little petty here but I see I'm not the only one who likes to bring up theoretically possible scenarios

 

[WildZoo]

And actually I voted for her opening the day and then she rejected it. It is technically possible she would have been an opening thread convert. (Anything is possible)

 

[WildZoo]

SDN is gonna reject me when I try to post the post I'm working on, I can feel it in my bones

 

[WildZoo]

Actually yeah I'm gonna go ahead and post the first part, I'm scurred

 

[WildZoo]

Since he's the talk of the town, I'm starting with

A Zenge Analysis: Part 1
(some of this is consolidation from my prior posts)


The Case of Zenge & PSV: Day 1


He started the day with a post in support of PSV, but with an hour prior to vote close this had changed

Spoiler: Quotes and stuff

Day 1, about 11 hours to go in the day

PSV feels pure too
Ffs

Yeah I agree with this. I’m liking PSV so far.

Later, less than an hour to go on the day, after votes have piled onto PSV and then moved to samac

I do find it really interesting that it was only after Samac and I made Mads a legitimate wagon, that other counter wagons started developing.

Villagers should take note...

The wagonomics reeks to high heaven

This Samac wagon needs to stop. She's clearly town.

The fact that y'all are doing this while she's gone from the thread is telling...

I'm going to guess the pack is PSV, genny, and Mads

But crickets when people voted me while I absent? I see how it is smh

You. Are. A. Sussy. Bakka!

This would be a pretty big reversal in how he usually treats packmates. It would be one thing if PSV was guaranteed to go down, but votes had moved off of her and he then started pushing back against the village wagon they had moved to, and calling PSV sus himself. Votes very easily could have moved back to PSV in these circumstances, when they didn't need to. Of course, as with D2, this would be a lot more clear if he'd moved there himself, but alas, couldn't be that easy.

I asked him what changed his mind about PSV in that timeframe, which he refused to answer despite my asking multiple times, but looking through PSV's posts it would make sense that his view of her changed based on her continued push on samac and her [apparently, though she denied this] thinking that she and Zenge were seriously voting for each other earlier...the same reason samac's view of her changed. ALTHOUGH it can be noted that both of them INITIALLY said she was pure/they liked her after the first time she voiced samac concerns, which was kind of interesting.

Anyway these were some of PSV's posts between when Zenge initially said he liked her so far and when he put her in that proposed pack with genny and mads (note: there is an alternative "rule of threes" interpretation possible there). Not all of her posts but the ones I could see a v!Zenge who has a village read on samac eyeing with suspicion.

Spoiler

I don't think I want you to pull anything out of your butthole

She hasn't even begged for death yet 🤔

I feel like vampy has really been delivering on the gif part of mayor duties. mkg's address to constituents was nice, but perhaps more formal than I expected from the designated silly mayor.

hello. Can someone give me the long and short of things? Idk if I will have time to catch up

But maybe I'll have a chance to give myself the long and short. We'll see

Wait, @Zenge142 @samac you're both on mads? Are you friends now?

Did samac ever find her baroness?

A quick search seems the answer is no
Yeet samac

It's not the only factor (see aforementioned suspicion). But I'm also testing something out.

Happy June 🌈

Yeah that wasn't about samac and Zenge voting each other. That was about consolidating on mads when Zenge had expressed wariness of samac earlier

Wait, what?

How is samac's claim both provable and not a wolf ability?

We've had scum inventors on this site. I also didn't interpret this as an inventor claim?

I would have loved not to have had to speculate on this instead of getting a straight answer from Zenge himself, but here we are. At any rate I can understand the change in opinion coming from a v!Zenge, and I think it makes less sense for a w!Zenge to do this. Even if he wanted to look good by defending samac, he could have easily tied the situation with her and PSV together (they had both been absent when votes started to pile on them) instead of pushing people away from the samac vote and ostensibly towards the PSV one.

I think on the whole his treatment of PSV D1 leans village

 

[beans2020]

I decided to sit down and make a list of all the potential wolf pairings we have at this point. Anything bolded and red is a pairing that seems theoretically possible. (Maybe not likely, but given where at are at this point, seemed prudent to include everything.)
beans/vampy/psv
beans/Lissa/psv
beans/dubz/psv
beans/mkg/psv
beans/zenge/psv
Lissa/vampy/psv
Lissa/dubz/psv
Lissa/mkg/psv
Lissa/zenge/psv
vampy/dubz/psv
vampy/mkg/psv
vampy/zenge/psv
dubz/mkg/psv
dubz/zenge/psv
mkg/zenge/psv

Some of my reasoning here: I know I'm not a wolf, so no pairings with me are correct. I don't think Lissa and psv were paired at all given what happened the night KJQ was killed, so I doubt Lissa is a wolf. Vampy wouldn't have put a tube on dubz if they were wolf partners - that just doesn't make sense. Zenge and mkg have been suspicious of each other off and on for so long - I seriously doubt they're partners.
I haven't seen any interactions between vampy and zenge that makes me think they're not potential partners. Same with vampy/mkg and dubz/mkg, though this would mean that mkg was shooting psv to make herself appear towny. I'm unsure how likely the dubz/zenge pairing is, but given that it is still in the realm of possibility, I included it.

 

[WildZoo]

The Case of Zenge & PSV: Day 2

- The point that triggered me during the transition from D4 to N4 when I started to lose my mind was the realization that he never actually voted for PSV D2, as I noted here

Alright @Zenge142 we need to talk about why you pushed vampy for "soft defending" PSV during day 2, said you believed lissa and that PSV needed to die regardless so we'd know if the mechanic she was claiming existed, and yet never voted for PSV and then conveniently decided to have a meltdown about mkg right at that time.


You sure you weren't trying to avoid voting for a packmate?

If taken at face value, it looks like Zenge appeared on thread Sunday morning having missed genny's claim, eventually caught up, and then started pushing things towards PSV without voting there. mkg then asked him a question about his reads list, he lost his marbles over it (can confirm this also immediately came up in the PM we had at the time), mkg shot PSV while he was in the middle of this, and he also missed that she pre-claimed the shot.

Of course, any of that timing/reaction could be faked. I think it's up to everyone to decide whether they think it was genuine or not.

Spoiler

I’d say this is roughly where I’m at. I need to re-read last fiscal night and today so far.

Frolicking In The Field
mkg323
samac
WildZoo

Going For a “Field Trip”
beans2020

“Tour” of the Slaughterhouse
Sakuraaa
Lissarae06
Clem J
GreedyBanger

In the Frying Pan
genny
potentialsheltervet
vampyrica

Plated and Served
madrigal01

I think I want to hear what @Lissarae06 was doing visiting KJQ too before jumping on PSV. It is a bit of an elaborate tale.

Wait what?!

Apparently there’s a lot of interesting developments I need to read. Consider the reads list I just posted to be from EOD 1.

I’ll go read everything since then to get a better sense of where things are.

But first… coffee.

InB4 Samac All aboard the heart palpitations express! Choo Choo!

I haven’t seen the thing yet!

Wait while I catch up!

I can't work off of posts I haven't seen.

Tell me about it

- PSV's Unknown from DBD bodysuit doesnt seem far fetched but it doesnt seem entirely possible either, i never received it as an option but we are also missing like 50% of members rn so idk. until lissa comes back and we can get a little more, im not voting either one of them until like 2 hours before EOD if nothing else comes out of this.

There’s a certain amount of soft defense of PSV and wishywashyness that doesn’t quite sit right with me here

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Manual Tallying Tickles My Autism
mads () -
PSV (4) - samac, Greedy, Lissa, Clem
Lissa (1) - dubz

5/13
yeet close in ~9 hours
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Well I suppose I should update my list now that I’m caught up

Frolicking In The Field
mkg323
samac
WildZoo
genny

Going For a “Field Trip”
GreedyBanger

“Tour” of the Slaughterhouse
Clem J
beans2020
Sakuraaa

In the Frying Pan
vampyrica

Plated and Served
madrigal01
Lissarae06 (But only if PSV is a town flip)
potentialsheltervet

there is no soft defense? i just want to hear a little more from lissa. i dont understand why wanting a clear picture of both interactions is such a bad thing? have ever been the type of person to just go “TEEHEE OKAY WHATEVER YOU GUYS SAY!” and vote? no.

I mean saying that PSV’s bodysuit “doesn’t seem far fetched” is a soft defense.

Like sure, maybe it’s true that it doesn’t seem far fetched.

But by the definition of “soft defense” you saying that is a “soft defense” of PSV

Aside from Lissa’s claim being a bit more believable than PSV’s, I do think there is also an element to this situation where we have more of an imperative to flip PSV, because if by chance what PSV is claiming actually is true, then we need to know that sooner than later.

because i’m being honest and seeing both sides its a soft defense? sorry last time i checked that was considered weighing all my options

Regardless of your intentions or thought process, lending validity to PSV’s claim is by definition “soft defense”.

That is how I feel. You can feel differently.

I’m not going to argue with you about it, because as it stands it’s Sunday, and I wouldn’t be considering to vote for you until Thursday, or possibly next Saturday, and obviously a lot will have changed by then, so I don’t think it’s worth anyone’s time or energy arguing about it.

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Manual Tallying Tickles My Autism
mads () -
PSV (5) - samac, Greedy, Lissa, Clem, beans
Lissa (1) - dubz

6/13
yeet close in ~6.5 hours
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Note that Zenge also liked the post where I said I wanted to hear more from Lissa before jumping on PSV, and didn't say anything to me about the various posts I made where I was thinking through the possibility of PSV telling the truth, so it's a little strange that he went so hard at vampy over it.

There was a direct interaction between Zenge and PSV here, I include it for completeness but I don't think it can be used much for analysis since there is not much here that couldn't be faked. It felt wrong to leave it out though.

Spoiler

The improbability of my story should be pointing toward it being the truth, but sigh. I won't sit here and argue if everyone is already agreeing I'm going to die today.

Have you posted a reads list recently? I would like to 👀 it

No, I haven't made a formal list (I'm on mobile).

Help me help you. Who are you concerned about?

No one you're going to agree with.

I’m here, I’ll keep an open mind

Personally, still not feeling great about samac. I know her and Zenge have asserted they're the same aff but I just. I feel not great. I don't think flipping mads is a bad idea with her vote movements yesterday (and she also hasn't come back to make me feel better) but I'm not completely locked in on a wolfread.
I never townread Greedy and, while I admit it would be a little on the nose, KJQ's posts have me squinting in that direction as well.
Why are you asking me?

This, still. And:
The thought occurs to me that genny started to question me immediately but didn't tag Lissa right off the bat. So I'm having some suspicion that she knows more than she's letting on about last night.
Idk if I'm willing to agree Clem was just clemming with the vt post but 🤷‍♀️

Can I get your read on Vampy, Beans, MKG, and Sakuraaa?

This is just a reads list with extra steps!
Probably all village

Sounds like you haven’t thought about them much

On the whole, I think Zenge's behavior specifically in regards to PSV and her outting D2 is slightly wolf leaning

Don't turn that dial folks! There's more to come!

 

[Zenge142]

I’ll ask for mod confirmation to see if I actually die from the fire for clarity.

The mods left this ambiguous, but said I probably didn't feel like it was life threatening

 

[beans2020]

can confirm this also immediately came up in the PM we had at the time

Sorry, might have missed something here - I thought the PM was between samac and zenge? Did I mix players up again or was there another PM?

 

[WildZoo]

A Zenge Analysis Part 3: The Case of mkg


It seemed important to chronicle the progression of Zenge's behavior towards mkg in the middle of PSV being outted and mkg shooting her. Given Zenge's wolfing history I do think it would be within his range to bring up the mkg stuff initially in order to avoid voting a packmate.

The tinfoiling about mkg shooting PSV for the cred is...honestly more in line with village!Zenge though, and given I had and continue to have similar thoughts, it's hard for me to wolf read it (beyond the fact that I often have wolfy thoughts...)

Spoiler

A bit prior to mkg announcing she was going to shoot PSV:

I don’t get the frying pan. How is genny down with PSV?

Wrong reads list fam.

Ketchup

(He then directs her to the reads list he posted, ostensibly after catching up and seeing genny's claim)

Ok new question why is clem above beans, why is beans so low

My neutrals are pretty interchangeable.

Beans and Clem are next to each other.

Despite his lack of meaningful input I feel mildly okay enough about Clem to leave him in neutrals.

Beans I just don’t know. Reads list felt a bit wonky. Not enough to crucify beans. But I’m not village reading a mystery.

This feels very nit picky as far as questions go, MKG. They’re literally next to each other.

I would appreciate seeing your reads list.

And then

Dear Village,
It has been my honor, and privilege to be a co-mayor to you all thus far. This is a role I do not take lightly. I have a difficult task ahead of me, and I must say a few words beforehand. Some of which are hot takes. Please hold your bleats till the end everyone. First, I vibe with Beans so some of y'all need to fix your reads. Second, while my wonderful co-mayor is well intentioned, I fear she has been seduced by the evil whispers of her wife, Mads. Third! @potentialsheltervet for the crimes against my town you will get what you deserve!

View attachment 405105

(literally minutes later)

Where’s my reads list @mkg323?

Yeet MKG

Here it looks like Zenge missed mkg's claim, but then in the next post it seems like he did see and just...didn't make the connection??

You think MKG did it?

I guess it would explain the meme

And then the tinfoiling begins immediately

BUT! What if converted, caught by genny and then day vigged by pack mate MKG?

(this is referring back to mkg's question about Clem and beans)

This is a weird question MKG! It isn’t normal!

Why the hard defense of beans? Why are you asking about my ordering of two players who are literally next to each other on my reads list?!

It doesn’t make any sense!

Are you saying the order under each category doesn’t matter in your list?

Why not?

PSV is going down anyway. MKG senses I’m hot on the trail when I start asking for her reads list, and decides to use the vig shot for village credit.

Makes perfect sense.

Sometimes yes sometimes no.

Neutral is a nice was of saying “heck if I know”

So in the case of Clem and Beans who are literally right next to each other in my reads, yeah, it doesn’t really matter.

Feels like you should know that. This is why I’m having trust issues

Unyeet MKG

Yeet Mads

But this isn’t over! You’re a Sussy Bakka!

Ok but they WERENT right next to each other, and you DIDNT specify order didn’t matter and beans was LITTERALLH THE LAST ONE LEGIT RIGHT ABOVE THE SKILLET OR WHAGEVER YOUR WOLF LEAN CATEGORY WAS SO I NEEDED TO KNOW WHY. BC SHE IS SPEWING VILLAGE AND I DONT KNOW HOW UOU CANT SEE THAT COMPARED TO CLEM WHO HAS SKETCH INFUSED BONES AND NOW I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE BLOWING UP LIKE IM VILLAGE READING A NOOB AND TRYING TO MAKE THEM NOT DIE LIKE I DID IN THE FIRST GOAT GAME AND YOU TRY AND YEET ME.

oh my god they were next to each other disregard

Edited for spelling purposes

Have I mentioned I’m illiterate yet this game

Okay...this feels genuine. I guess. 😤

You understand now why I was freaked out by the question though. It's definitely a Wolf!MKG kind of question.

And you can't tell me if packmate PSV was going down anyway, you wouldn't day vig her for the village credit.

Wait MKG where did you get a gun?

All the items have been Night Use Only from what I have seen so far.

It was an item. I’m not sure if I should say more if wolves are actually getting items too, and the same options as us at that. but it has been mentioned on thread by another goat.

So while my initial thought is "Wow bringing up mkg while this other stuff is going on sure seems like it could be wolfy if he was trying to avoid voting for PSV" I think continuing to push it in an environment where it's going to make him look bad does not make much sense for a wolf!Zenge. I don't feel like quoting the entire argument with AM once she subbed in, y'all can go read that for yourselves.

Actually the wolfiest part of things in my opinion was that he then pivoted away from it when it actually might have mattered and pushed Greedy instead. But that kind of thing in addition to the crux of his read on Greedy being a bit stretchy but him being SO sure about it, is just...that's just village Zenge.

I can see an argument where he decides to pivot away from mkg because of how much of a fight it was going to be to get that to go through, and because if she's village it would reveal the wrongness of his reading card. However, I just don't think a wolf!Zenge continues to push it in the first place if those were concerns. Wolf!Zenge just says "Oh. You shot PSV. Sorry, I was paranoid for a minute there, carry on!", there is just no need to go against the grain and get himself sussed over it when his goal should really be getting himself cleared since he's just lost his convert. There is no wolfy agenda that makes sense for an mkg push in this gamestate.

On balance, I think Zenge's treatment of mkg leans somewhat village

 

[WildZoo]

The mods left this ambiguous, but said I probably didn't feel like it was life threatening

WELL THEN WHY AM I DOING ALL THIS WORK WHEN I COULD BE (IN GAME) VOTING TO SLEEP

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry, might have missed something here - I thought the PM was between samac and zenge? Did I mix players up again or was there another PM?

It's both. samac and I both got free drink tickets - I gave mine to her and Zenge, she gave hers to me and Zenge.

 

[Zenge142]

WELL THEN WHY AM I DOING ALL THIS WORK WHEN I COULD BE (IN GAME) VOTING TO SLEEP

Voting to sleep probably just means you’re dead and we’re back here tomorrow, with one less person not okay with misyeeting me

 

[WildZoo]

A Zenge Analysis Part 4(?): The Pairing Issue

One of the biggest problems for me right now in trying to imagine a w!Zenge world is figuring out who would be partnered with him. I would even challenge people to truly justify that he's partnered with me because there are multiple timepoints where he was visibly okay with me dying, and I don't think you can reasonably say my reactions to those were manufactured. But, that's not my job to analyze, because I know I'm village, so I leave that to y'all.

I won't go into more detail on Zenge/mkg because that unpartnering is the most obvious and y'all shouldn't need me to explain it But I will discuss others.

Zenge/beans

This one is probably the most logical pairing, looking back at things objectively. There are some points here where I'm like...eh, I don't really think w!Zenge pushes his nooblet wolf's logic this hard just to defend me, but that was during the night and night is the easiest time to distance from your packmates since you won't be expected to vote for them. He also very pointedly declared he was NOT pushing beans for it, just pointing out faulty logic. These are the mentions I found throughout the game.

Spoiler

Beans won my heart now. They live forever pls.

How are those pockets Samac? Spacious? Cozy?

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(after he posted a reads list with beans in neutrals)

My neutrals are pretty interchangeable.

Beans and Clem are next to each other.

Despite his lack of meaningful input I feel mildly okay enough about Clem to leave him in neutrals.

Beans I just don’t know. Reads list felt a bit wonky. Not enough to crucify beans. But I’m not village reading a mystery.

A neutral read isn't the strongest thing of course.

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Zenge. I asked you ask question first. You didn't answer it. You're already very low on my readslist so I need you to tread carefully.

I don't like you trying to discredit beans.

Wow. Not even a laugh react. smh.

I think I've been pretty clear that I don't think it's what happened.

And if we're counting unanswered questions Midwife, you never answered my question: Do you really think we should be handing out mech clears to anyone who claims to have an MP3 player?

Lastly - I'm not discrediting Beans.

Beans made a bold statement that there was quite a bit of incriminating evidence against Dubz. I pointed out that none of the arguments Beans made amounting to that "quite a bit of incriminating evidence' - were valid, and I stand by the reasons why I found them invalid and logically unsound.

I've generally feel okay about Beans. Granted seeing the false logic in the arguments I made points about certainly sticks out as a needle in my side.

I am curious to hear what Dubz's case on Beans is, since she said Vampy/Beans were where she was 👀 at the start of the day I believe

So like I said, not the strongest in that direction.

Beans has overall been pretty wishy washy on Zenge all game.

Spoiler

Day 1:

Zenge- seems ok? Could go either way here

Night 1: Zenge moves into solid middle of the readlist

A new day, a new readlist
From most town to least town:
Fruit (RIP)
beans (ofc)
Vampy
Sakura
Mkg
Lissa
Zenge
Greedy
Kjq
Samac
Genny & clem (subject to change...still don't have a great feel for these two)
PSV
Dubz
Mads

Day 2: Zenge has moved further down

Morning thoughts, once again from most town to least town:
Fruit & KJQ (RIP)
Beans
Genny
Vampy
Mkg
Sakuraaa
Samac
Zenge
Dubz
Greedy (taking into account what kjq said before she died, but also realizing that may be irrelevant)
Clem (still don't know what to do with you haha)
Mads
Lissa & PSV (living down here together until we figure out more info)

Night 2:

I think we should take a look at zenge again. They were really pushing for yeeting mads on day 1. If I remember correctly they were one of the most vocal about yeeting her. Doesn't necessarily make them wolfy, but I could see them pushing us to eliminate someone they knew was village.

At this point the only players I feel confident about being town are vampy, mkg, me, Lissa, genny, and samac. So that would leave the wolves being among Greedy, zenge, dubz, sakuraaa, and clem.

Later on night 2:

From most town to least town:
beans
Genny
Lissa
samac
vampy
mkg
zenge
dubz
sakuraaa
clem
greedy

If I am still alive after tonight then I will update this with more brain cells...wanted to get a rough read out there just in case I die. And unfortunately the tomorrow morning general pathology exam has used up all of my current brain power

Day 3: an interesting reversal

Okay, some morning thoughts. Starting with a list of who I am very confident is town and why (in no particular order):
1. genny - the incident with watching KJQ and seeing PSV/Lissa.
2. mkg - shooting PSV
3. Lissa - I think she was telling the truth about the airtag. That certainly makes more sense then assuming she is somehow also tied up with all the wolfing.
4. vampy - I think she would have been a lot more willing to jump on the mads wagon if she was a wolf. Also, the vanilla thing makes me think she probably is village. (I know it could be referring to her being a vanilla wolf...but is that likely?)
5. me - if anyone has specific questions for me that would help make it clear I'm village, let me know.

People who I think are probably town: zenge, animal midwife, and greedy.

That leaves Dubz and Clem. I don't think I missed anyone but lmk if I did.

Night 3:

How do we feel about a wolf!zenge/dubz pairing? Can't remember if we ruled that one out or not

I did some deep dive thread reading this morning, and I'm actually feeling ok about zenge/greedy/dubz for the moment. Nothing they've done up to this point has been blatantly wolfy in my eyes (maybe with the exception of last night's EOD voting). I maintain that AM and Lissa seem good too.
Zenge, I want to hear more about mkg. Now that you have more than 15 minutes haha, why are you reading her as wolf?

Later on night 3

Alright, POE:
Town/Town leaning: in no particular order
[snipped by Dubz]
-Zenge (clearly I had my doubts for a while. Upon reading the thread/zenge's posts specifically, nothing jumps out as being suspicious. Really just looks like investigative villager. Still unsure why the mkg accusation dropped in such an odd way though at EOD)

I'm not sure about the second question. Earlier in the threads either zenge or dubz (I don't remember which it was off the top of my head) claimed that they were the same affiliation. I don't know where that initially came from but when I read back over their interactions it seemed to stand.

(this was later clarified for beans that it was about samac/Zenge and not me/Zenge)

Day 4:

yeet zenge

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Day 4 Yeet Tally
Greedy (3) - Zenge, dubz, vamp
Zenge (2) - Greedy, beans

5/8
yeet close in ~8 hours
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To be honest, I'm torn between zenge and greedy. I think one of them is wolf, I just am not sure which one. I put up a zenge vote to see if I would get any kind of reaction/further information to use, but no dice. I just can't figure out if greedy's most recent actions are village!greedy or wolf!greedy. And I don't fully trust zenge after all the switching back and forth with mkg.

This would have gone a long way towards unpartnering them if beans had stayed on the vote...

But later on D4, ~ 2 hours to go in the day

unyeet zenge
Yeet greedy
I think vampy made some good points about her greedy vote. Like I said earlier, I really can't tell if his wanting to leave is just disgruntled villager or if it is wolfy trying to call our bluff (like we won't vote him because he wants us to).
I agree he seemed very village in the beginning which is why I am unsure that he is a wolf. I am open to changing my vote if someone else starts a reasonable wagon.

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Day 4 Yeet Tally
Greedy (4) - Zenge, dubz, vamp, beans
Zenge (1) - Greedy

5/8
@GreedyBanger is in the lead!
yeet close in ~1.5 hours
Missing: @genny @mkg323 @Lissarae06
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mkg then voted for Zenge, putting him back at 2 votes, beans posts this a bit later

Greedy, can you explain why you are reading zenge as wolf? I am open to changing my vote back to zenge...just trying to figure out what makes the most sense.

Which is kind of interesting because beans moving would have created a tie. However, it never happened.

Overall, a Zenge/beans pairing is possible

The colors means something I swear

 

[WildZoo]

NO THAT POSTED TOO EARLY

 

[WildZoo]

Well, I'm gonna edit it and will notify when it is actually complete. Grumble.

 

[WildZoo]

Voting to sleep probably just means you’re dead and we’re back here tomorrow, with one less person not okay with misyeeting me

Yes but if I die then
1) I'm dead, hooray!
2) The villagers know I was making arguments in good faith and can adjust their reads accordingly.

ETA: plus there's the possibility of helpful night info

 

[WildZoo]

A Zenge Analysis Part 4(?): The Pairing Issue

One of the biggest problems for me right now in trying to imagine a w!Zenge world is figuring out who would be partnered with him. I would even challenge people to truly justify that he's partnered with me because there are multiple timepoints where he was visibly okay with me dying, and I don't think you can reasonably say my reactions to those were manufactured. But, that's not my job to analyze, because I know I'm village, so I leave that to y'all.

I won't go into more detail on Zenge/mkg because that unpartnering is the most obvious and y'all shouldn't need me to explain it But I will discuss others.

Zenge/beans

This one is probably the most logical pairing, looking back at things objectively. There are some points here where I'm like...eh, I don't really think w!Zenge pushes his nooblet wolf's logic this hard just to defend me, but that was during the night and night is the easiest time to distance from your packmates since you won't be expected to vote for them. He also very pointedly declared he was NOT pushing beans for it, just pointing out faulty logic. These are the mentions I found throughout the game.

Spoiler

~~~
(after he posted a reads list with beans in neutrals)

A neutral read isn't the strongest thing of course.

~~~

So like I said, not the strongest in that direction.

Beans has overall been pretty wishy washy on Zenge all game.

Spoiler

Day 1:


Night 1: Zenge moves into solid middle of the readlist


Day 2: Zenge has moved further down



Night 2:



Later on night 2:

Day 3: an interesting reversal


Night 3:



Later on night 3



(this was later clarified for beans that it was about samac/Zenge and not me/Zenge)

Day 4:





This would have gone a long way towards unpartnering them if beans had stayed on the vote...

But later on D4, ~ 2 hours to go in the day




mkg then voted for Zenge, putting him back at 2 votes, beans posts this a bit later



Which is kind of interesting because beans moving would have created a tie. However, it never happened.

Overall, a Zenge/beans pairing is possible

The colors means something I swear

This is now complete

 

[beans2020]

Which is kind of interesting because beans moving would have created a tie. However, it never happened.

This is actually why I didn't move from greedy back to zenge - I was waiting for Lissa and genny to come vote (which ultimately never happened) because if one of them voted for zenge, I would have moved my vote back to him too. I started getting cold feet about greedy but really didn't want to put us in a tie situation. Looking back, I wish I had moved the vote because I think it would have been interesting to see how you and vampy would have reacted to that.

 

[WildZoo]

A Zenge Analysis Part 4: The Pairing Issue

Subsection B: Zenge/Lissa

Overall Zenge was pretty supportive of lissa throughout, up until today where...he's not even really pushing her, just saying she has scum equity and that he is mechanically beholden to crossvote her.

Spoiler

Day 1:

Greedy is feeling okayish. The Lissa vote really threw me, ngl, because it felt like a vote I would expect a wolf to make -> I.e. voting for someone who’s been less active for a reason that’s mildly plausible logically. Idk. We haven’t seen Wolf!Greedy, and tonally Greedy sounds similar to the last couple games, but this push in particular has me wondering.

Samac I agree with you on. I’m not used to seeing a Samac that wants to village read everyone and idk what to do with that.

In this case, I really didn't agree with the logic of Greedy's push on Lissa, not to mention what felt opportunistic, so I'm more inclined to see village!Lissa feeling the push on her coming from a nefarious place, and pushing back, and less inclined to think that wolf!Lissa decided to 1v1 greedy over an early D1 vote that hasn't gained any thread traction

Scumlean
Lissa
PSV

Scum
samac
Dubz

Maybe there's one scum in here. Maybe...

But if you're suggesting this is where all the scum lives, you're woefully misguided.

Day 2:

Lissa is in a field category if psv flips red, i infer?

Yeah probably. Hard to imagine otherwise

Day 3:

Lissa or AM?

Both probably town.

I can't really see the logic in the wolf pack sending both Lissa and PSV to act on KJQ. There are arguments for it being something that could happen in the abstract theoretically, but practically, I haven't seen anything this game that would suggest it makes sense.

Posts today have largely been about lissa being locked in on voting him which I don't think is all that useful to analyze.

Lissa's thoughts on Zenge are a little more unpairing? But given the timing it could very well be distancing given Zenge's standing in the thread once Greedy flipped.

Spoiler

Earlier today

Zenge is the most suspicious to me. The whole lie detector item does not seem legit.

Mylo volo… you know what, YOLO

Vote zenge

Zenge only admitted to the lie detector being fake when everyone put two and two together on it being fake. I think all this “woe is me” stuff is manipulation to get us to not vote for him giving the wolves a win.

We don’t know that Zenge actually will die today. We only have his word for it that genny lit him on fire. It’s not like genny can come on here and confirm.

I did the extra step of looking for interactions between the two of them and not just mentions, which got me a couple more posts, still all fairly late in the game, which actually makes me think they're not partners tbh. I know it's more classic to be like "WOW THESE TWO NEVER INTERACTED THEY MUST BE PAIRED" but that's weak **** that I don't think either lissa or Zenge would fall into (unless WIFOM).

Spoiler

I am a vanilla villager.

I don’t understand the point of this. There is no rule against lying.

Why don’t you say it, too?

Because if I say it and use a lie detector on my own sentence, who would believe I'm telling the truth?

But yes.

I am a vanilla villager. I have used a lie detector on my own sentence and it is the truth.

I am lock clear.

Has anyone else gotten a lie detector?

I'm going to use my lie detector on Vamp's statement, I think.

Both Beans and genny have recently expressed suspicion of vampy. Samac had a lot of building suspicion of vampy.

I think I'll start re-reading there, but it'll definitely be where I use my lie detector.

Has anyone else held items for multiple nights?

I tried to use an item from an earlier night that did not specify it was a one night only item and was told I no longer had it.

I think the way she immediately questioned the lie detector as soon as it came up looks good here, it's just not the strongest thing.

However, since I don't really think Lissa is wolfing, and there isn't anything here that looks partnered enough for me to change that read, I have a hard time envisioning them as the remaining wolves.

Conclusion: A Lissa/Zenge pairing seems unlikely.

 

[WildZoo]

This is actually why I didn't move from greedy back to zenge - I was waiting for Lissa and genny to come vote (which ultimately never happened) because if one of them voted for zenge, I would have moved my vote back to him too. I started getting cold feet about greedy but really didn't want to put us in a tie situation. Looking back, I wish I had moved the vote because I think it would have been interesting to see how you and vampy would have reacted to that.

I probably would have had a meltdown, idk

 

[WildZoo]

I'm losing steam a bit and the knowledge that I often reach wrong conclusions with this kind of work is weighing on me, but hopefully others will give their thoughts since this exercise is also intended to help with discussion/make it easier for the rest of village to look over some important moments without having to reread the whole 90 pages of thread

So I shall power on

 

[Animal Midwife]

*************************
Day 5 Yeet Tally
Zenge (1) - Lissa
vamp () -
Lissa (1) - Zenge

2/6
yeet close in ~6.5 hours
*************************

 

[Lissarae06]

I’m working an overnight ER shift so I’m going to take a nap. I should be back before EOD (look at me using your cute little abbreviations)

 

[beans2020]

Very very much subject to change, but wanted to get something on the board.
yeet vampy

I am unsure about zenge. Dubz's deep dive is making me less certain that he is wolfy. I'm not inclined to think dubz or lissa are wolfy either. Vampy is someone who I feel could be paired with multiple players who are still alive, so she feels like a safer vote if that makes sense. I could also see the tube thing being wolf motivated - I know she said she thought it was protective (and I really really want to believe her) but there's no way of knowing that's true. All we know is it was used on someone during the night and it prevented night actions on/from that person. That seems like something a wolf may choose to use to weaken village night actions.

 

[WildZoo]

Just a side note that it would be pretty satisfying if my D3 vampy/beans POE was correct

But that also makes me distrust it because I don't have good reads!

Anyway this thought just popped up as I'm looking at Zenge/vampy interactions

 

[vampyrica]

I decided to sit down and make a list of all the potential wolf pairings we have at this point. Anything bolded and red is a pairing that seems theoretically possible. (Maybe not likely, but given where at are at this point, seemed prudent to include everything.)
beans/vampy/psv
beans/Lissa/psv
beans/dubz/psv
beans/mkg/psv
beans/zenge/psv
Lissa/vampy/psv
Lissa/dubz/psv
Lissa/mkg/psv
Lissa/zenge/psv
vampy/dubz/psv
vampy/mkg/psv
vampy/zenge/psv
dubz/mkg/psv
dubz/zenge/psv
mkg/zenge/psv

Some of my reasoning here: I know I'm not a wolf, so no pairings with me are correct. I don't think Lissa and psv were paired at all given what happened the night KJQ was killed, so I doubt Lissa is a wolf. Vampy wouldn't have put a tube on dubz if they were wolf partners - that just doesn't make sense. Zenge and mkg have been suspicious of each other off and on for so long - I seriously doubt they're partners.
I haven't seen any interactions between vampy and zenge that makes me think they're not potential partners. Same with vampy/mkg and dubz/mkg, though this would mean that mkg was shooting psv to make herself appear towny. I'm unsure how likely the dubz/zenge pairing is, but given that it is still in the realm of possibility, I included it.

off topic but this actually a really thought out response and i applaud you for taking the time to do this!!

 

[vampyrica]

Very very much subject to change, but wanted to get something on the board.
yeet vampy

I am unsure about zenge. Dubz's deep dive is making me less certain that he is wolfy. I'm not inclined to think dubz or lissa are wolfy either. Vampy is someone who I feel could be paired with multiple players who are still alive, so she feels like a safer vote if that makes sense. I could also see the tube thing being wolf motivated - I know she said she thought it was protective (and I really really want to believe her) but there's no way of knowing that's true. All we know is it was used on someone during the night and it prevented night actions on/from that person. That seems like something a wolf may choose to use to weaken village night actions.

damn i just complimented you too. how disappointing

 

[vampyrica]

so lets see here:
- i’ve been accurately read with BOGO
- i’ve been honest and helped problem solve and explained my reasoning for the item i used
- i’ve outed my previous items and said that they were truly useless
- also said if i was assigned wolf i wouldn’t run as mayor because i simply dont have the time to play two roles

conclusion: i’m wolf. yeah that makes total sense lol

 

[vampyrica]

/SARCASM FOR THAT LAST PART BEFORE YOU THINK IM SERIOUS

 

[beans2020]

damn i just complimented you too. how disappointing

I KNOW I KNOW I'M SORRY 🙁

 

[vampyrica]

I KNOW I KNOW I'M SORRY 🙁

if that’s the case then you are not excluded as being the last possible wolf though? me saying “im not wolf” and you saying “im not wolf” means nothing at this point. misyeeting me also does nothing besides lose the game. how does the rest of the group know that our interactions truly are pure? or that we didnt make the BOGO up to keep me or you safe until the very end? how do they know if this isnt a distancing tactic to get YOU to endgame and win and me yeeted?

not a smart move voting me out here especially since dubz has been open about pairing us. if you’re truly town with me, you wont vote me because that only misyeets me and puts you in the hot seat for the next day (if there’s a next day? i’m little confused on mylo)

 

[WildZoo]

i thought beans said she wouldn’t be here today?

update: nope she did not, i just assumed she wouldnt be bc she has exams.

man my memory is terrible lately wth

👀

 

[WildZoo]

Uh just for transparency I have everyone on ignore rn except Zenge and vampy (and myself, I wish it were possible to ignore myself) to make it easier to find their interactions, so if you have a comment/question for me and you're not one of those two people, I will get back to you when I'm done with this post, okay bye

 

[vampyrica]

beans/vampy/psv
beans/Lissa/psv
beans/dubz/psv
beans/mkg/psv
beans/zenge/psv
Lissa/vampy/psv
Lissa/dubz/psv
Lissa/mkg/psv
Lissa/zenge/psv
vampy/dubz/psv
vampy/mkg/psv
vampy/zenge/psv
dubz/mkg/psv
dubz/zenge/psv
mkg/zenge/psv

first point: anything with me in it is just wrong, but if you want to play fair, beans/vampy/psv is not off the table given how our interactions have been in the thread.

second point: truly 100% believe with all my heart and soul, if zenge and dubz were both wolves, they would not invest as much time going back and forth with eachother. if dubz if a wolf and she is spending literal hours analyzing zenge’s posts as a distancing tactic, then seriously GG because your dedication is admirable. so any dubz/zenge pairing has to be wrong.

third point: mkg has been a bit of an anomaly and the only person i would unpair her with is zenge for the back and forth they had a day or two ago. i would highlight all mkg pairings in orange if it were me and something to consider.

fourth: lissa is also a bit of a curve ball because i want to believe two wolves wouldnt both act on PSV at the same time, but if she is, then look how far it got her?

 

[WildZoo]

@Zenge142

Are you claiming this was a reaction test 😐

 

[WildZoo]

if dubz if a wolf and she is spending literal hours analyzing zenge’s posts as a distancing tactic, then seriously GG because your dedication is admirable.

Undermining myself a bit here but I'd do it tbh. I wouldn't base any read on my going through posts and analyzing, you should base the read on the content itself and the rest of my play, because I will do busywork to reach the conclusions that serve me best when I'm wolfing. It's more about how much time I have than my affiliation, and I happen to be inclined to be a slug today.

And also so if I end up being wrong I can still post this and it be 100% accurate because dammit I am trying

 

[WildZoo]

@Zenge142 are you 3p?

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 are you 3p?

No. And there isn’t even evidence of a 3p

 

[WildZoo]

A Zenge Analysis Part 4: The Pairing Issue

Subsection C: Zenge/vampy

Not much to comment on in the early days

Spoiler

Mid-Day 0 so probably doesn't matter but for completeness

Vampy let me ask you a question:

If you were a wolf, would you run for Mayor?

personally, no. its too complicated to try to hide wolfyness as mayor. you cant keep the best interests of town in mind while simultaneously looking out for yourself.

Day 1

On that note, leaning mkg and vampy village with mkg slightly above vampy

KJQ also lean village given her responses so far, looks similar to before

I can more or less agree with this

The first unpairing interaction would be on day 2 when Zenge was pushing vampy for the "soft defense" of PSV, and her reaction and then him entirely shutting down the conversation to be like "eh clam down I'm not gonna vote you until Thursday or Saturday" does not strike me as w/w

Spoiler

Day 2:

here's where im at in this moment in time, naturally, subject to change but i find it incredibly hard to believe that the little 4-way convo that happened earlier between KJQ-samac-dubz-GB was all village pointing to village. KJQ was confirmed town, i think samac is literally just being samac, which then leaves me with dubz and GB.

Town(and leaning):
fruitsalad ✅
samac
vampy (co-mayor) ✅
KJQ ✅
beans
mkg (co-mayor)

Neutral(most to least town):
sakuraaa
genny
zenge
lissa
PSV
mads

Scum(and leaning):
clem
dubz
greedy

Not a big fan of this list.

good thing i didnt need your permission to make it

- PSV's Unknown from DBD bodysuit doesnt seem far fetched but it doesnt seem entirely possible either, i never received it as an option but we are also missing like 50% of members rn so idk. until lissa comes back and we can get a little more, im not voting either one of them until like 2 hours before EOD if nothing else comes out of this.

There’s a certain amount of soft defense of PSV and wishywashyness that doesn’t quite sit right with me here

there is no soft defense? i just want to hear a little more from lissa. i dont understand why wanting a clear picture of both interactions is such a bad thing? have ever been the type of person to just go “TEEHEE OKAY WHATEVER YOU GUYS SAY!” and vote? no.

In the Frying Pan
vampyrica

Plated and Served
madrigal01
Lissarae06 (But only if PSV is a town flip)
potentialsheltervet

I mean saying that PSV’s bodysuit “doesn’t seem far fetched” is a soft defense.

Like sure, maybe it’s true that it doesn’t seem far fetched.

But by the definition of “soft defense” you saying that is a “soft defense” of PSV

because i’m being honest and seeing both sides its a soft defense? sorry last time i checked that was considered weighing all my options

Regardless of your intentions or thought process, lending validity to PSV’s claim is by definition “soft defense”.

That is how I feel. You can feel differently.

I’m not going to argue with you about it, because as it stands it’s Sunday, and I wouldn’t be considering to vote for you until Thursday, or possibly next Saturday, and obviously a lot will have changed by then, so I don’t think it’s worth anyone’s time or energy arguing about it.

respectfully, then dont bring it up in the first place if you dont want me to argue with you about it. you cant tell me "i think this is a soft defense" then move me to a scum read and go "lol im not arguing with you about it because i feel this way and you feel that way". how does that make any sense? shutting me out because you think you found some sort of damning evidence when i always weigh my options before making a vote?

be so for real.

Later D2/N2 stuff, doesn't really lean either way for me

Spoiler

can someone please help me answer these questions? im spiralling thinking of all the options

I think PSV made up the item thing. I think she was just converted N0.

We should look at D0 voting for anything interesting related to PSV, but my guess is they just picked her for having a strong wolf reputation (Big reputation! Big reputation!)

D0 voting was for mayor, and I dont think a single person voted for her?

wait i lied- you voted her for mayor!

Who did she vote for? What sort of opinions did she express D0?

And actually I voted for her opening the day and then she rejected it. It is technically possible she would have been an opening thread convert. (Anything is possible)

After mads flip, subject is Greedy

this seems like a very nonchalant reaction..

Right?

i dont like it, like at all

Clipped reads list

Neutral(most to least town):
genny
clem
lissa
dubz
zenge

Scum(and leaning):
greedy?
sakuraaa
PSV ✅

D3

Spoiler

Neutral(most to least town):
genny
AM
clem
lissa
zenge

Scum(and leaning):
dubz?
greedy?
sakuraaa (removed from POE due to your swap and based on your statements, i feel comfortable moving you up and out.
PSV ✅

soon after D3 closed

zenge you came in with 20 minutes to go, made a random vote, tried to get everyone on the wagon, would not ellaborate further than "she isnt right!" and thought that was appropriate.

respectfully, let me know why we shouldnt look into you? in a town!zenge world, you would do the same thing for anyone else

I understand.

Respectfully though. I don’t think MKG is village. I get that she shot PSV. It buys a lot of village credit.

I implore you to read her posts and tell me with a straight face she’s analyzing the game and trying to solve

i will humor you and look deeper into it

i didnt mean tonight lol. im doing homework atm but i will look into it tomorrow and ping you for your thoughts

Not really important just for completeness

wait wait wait. i’m lost in all the lingo.

so the active theory right now is that no wolves existed on D0, then N0 based on item selection, they were picked? or that there was a 3p that recruited but no OG wolves?

I don’t think that’s a legitimate theory that’s being widely accepted.

It reads like some sort of fan fiction.

But I guess technically, anything is possible.

Pushback on the mkg read doesn't feel w/w

All of this is true. There is a stark contrast between last game where she was shutting down village arguments she found unproductive to solving, working with people, re-evaluating, sharing her thoughts. Etc.

I don’t see the MKG that wrote this post in the game we are currently playing

i think this is a fair point, but to play devils advocate, she IS in the middle of moving. if we’re going to give lax to players for their inactivity but still giving effort then she deserves a little grace too.

It's not inactivity. The amount of content is not the problem. It's the composition of what she's posted. It lacks an interest to solve.

i honestly probably would have done the same thing if i came into the thread after being busy all day to find out that i was being upped in big bold letters without giving me ample time to explain. you gave her 20 minutes before close. i would have scrambled too in complete honesty, and i’d like to think other people would too?

inactivity does kinda go hand in hand with content. if you’re not fully caught up, you dont have time to solve. now she could be more diligent and say “i will do abc at xyz time” to let us know she’s thinking. (but thats also personally something i just do and its more a courtesy thing on my part to let y’all know i’m working on it)

i think her posts had more substance in the beginning, and i agree that the last day or so seemed…lackluster?

I'm talking about the posts she's made in the last week. Not for 20 minutes yesterday. Where in those posts is she working on game solving, being and sharing thoughts?

It doesn't. I've seen MKG low post in a lot of games. She does it as a villager and a wolf. The specific effort to solve in the posts is what
is different between when she's village and when shes wolfing. She's in her wolf meta here.

Even the Fruit push was pretty lackluster. It just felt like an easy excuse to vote a villager and park her vote without re-evaluating or having to engage with the thread. Since then there's been even less actual content of genuine substance. She's posted an amount that I would say is average. She's here, she's posting. But what she's posting doesn't strike me as a villager trying to solve the game.

More N3, less useful for analysis

tensions are high today

Vampy pls, we're in a night cycle

View attachment 405280
be like me, go get yourself some water ice. or if you’re from delco: wooder ice

Rita's is the real GOAT

you’re town, this clears

Also, as tense as it maybe looks, AM and I can spar about things without either one of us getting too heated, or taking it too seriously IRL

i wish i could do that. i take things way too personally and it dampers the mood. but hey! i guess self awareness is step 1?

and a brief questioning of the lie detector item

a lie detector item seems a little OP to me but then again i am unfamiliar with thread items and if that seems normal or not

As we move into D4 it becomes a little bit more difficult to categorize interactions because it depends entirely on how much panic a w!Zenge would have been in about the likelihood of his being yoten, if he therefore would have asked partners to distance/bus (as I have seen him do before), and how willing said partner(s) would have been to do so

However I will still present the posts!

Spoiler

KJQ told us to look at Greedy

Samac had Greedy at the bottom of her legacy

Greedy has been willing to adjust his reads to whatever is most convenient in the moment

Greedy's reaction to my asking him to state that he was village was objectively the worst

did you end up using your item? or i guess it didnt matter because it was scrambled? (if im understanding what dubz said correctly)

i mean i didnt like greedy’s response. i get where he’s coming from but at the same time, we’re trying to solve here and it looks like you were onto something

(in regards to AM dying)

Framing me since we fought all day is a reasonable thought for a reason

but nobody voted for you off the jump...you immediately voted greedy

The timing isn't really relevant

He then reiterated this point and tagged vampy when Greedy said AM was right and wouldn't shut up about it and so had to die. That in particular doesn't strike me as w/w, idk, just something about it doesn't feel like distancing as much as Zenge actually trying to convince vampy.

I feel the same way about this interaction response from Zenge after vampy asked Greedy why he was voting for Zenge instead of himself

if youre done from the game, why is this not a self vote? if you are saying you'll give less effort and want out so badly, why zenge when there is still a chance he might get yeeted?

I genuinely think Greedy feels like he blew it with my EON question asking people to state that they're village, and this is the response - to try and thunderdome me

i really cant shake that tbh

(as a response to Greedy)

do you think the pack is PSV/dubz/zenge? or PSV/zenge/???

The unpairing in the prior interactions is undermined a bit by this

yeet greedy

this is unfortunately such a waste of a vote but if he’s going to be unhelpful, then idk what more to do

and vote where exactly? zenge’s line of question is in line with v!zenge but he also pulled this same thing in Mission ImpoWWsible and was w!zenge, so i’m not sure where to go from here.

right now i’d say my POE is: greedy, lissa, mkg/zenge (not paired just unsure who to put for sure).

hence why i also dont wanna yeet zenge because i would love to see him and mkg discuss more so i can make a more solid list.

they might both be town defending themselves and i’m completely wrong but idk, something feels off

I think the strongest stuff we've got here is in day 2, followed by some weaker stuff from day 4. There is a lot of null otherwise and not really anything where I go "OMG THIS IS A PARTNER INTERACTION FOR SURE!" I can't say much about today because it would be full distancing time at this point in a w!Zenge world, so I don't think any partnering analysis is super valid.

ETA: there were a couple other D2 things that I think I lost the quotes for? I can try to find it but it was vampy saying Clem was unreadable and it was best to vote him early, Zenge accusing her of copying his homework from another game, and later me pointing out that the post of his he compared it to was from when he was wolfing. Then he was like "yeah that was intentional" and he and vampy got into a little tiff over it lol


Conclusion: Zenge/vampy is a possible but unlikely pairing

 

[WildZoo]

No. And there isn’t even evidence of a 3p

There never is, until it's too late

Anyway just had to check!!

 

[WildZoo]

A Zenge Analysis Part 5: Random Thoughts and a Conclusion

This is going to get into some meta stuff but I think it's worth at least stating.

- The fact that I've said multiple times this game that I don't know what Zenge is doing, that he's being wacky, and that he's confusing and frustrating me is all much more in line with v!Zenge than w!Zenge. I think he is aware of this to some extent, but I also think he has a really hard time replicating his willingness to do stuff that's going to draw attention and make people suspicious of him when he's wolfing, because he gets so panicked about it. I just don't think he enters this game with the tone he had early on as a wolf, especially given how hard he took the outcome of Mission ImpoWWssible.

- I do think he would have approached the lie detector item situation differently if he were a wolf. I'm...truly not sure he would have brought it up at all at the time he did, it was not a good time for a wolf to fake a red check, though of course I can't say what his intentions would have been had night 3 not gone the way it did. And the truth is v!Zenge lies all the time, it happened literally two games ago.

- The ATE has been over the top and I probably shouldn't analyze it, but it's not something I've ever seen Zenge do as a wolf - sure he'll mention he's gonna be a misyeet or whatever but he doesn't go into this fatalistic mode openly on thread for manipulation purposes. I checked this against multiple games to make sure I wasn't misremembering. Now this is also something he's probably aware of and could use but I just don't think he would. It's not the strongest thing but I am having a hard time eliminating it from my read so I feel you all should know it's contributing.

So in conclusion:
- village points for PSV treatment D1
- wolf lean points for PSV treatment D2
- village lean for the mkg situation
- neutral-ish Zenge/beans pairing equity, but unlikely pairing with lissa or vampy, and absolutely not paired with mkg (or me)
- village tone
- village lean on the lie detector situation

Overall, I give Zenge a village lean and would encourage people not to vote for him today

Please keep in mind, village needs to consolidate on a single wagon (which could also be to vote sleep, I'm still okay with voting sleep)

I am going to look into beans now because I have not done a proper analysis there all game. Given everything else, I am likely looking at vampy/beans as my solve, but that's not set in stone.

 

[WildZoo]

Very very much subject to change, but wanted to get something on the board.
yeet vampy

I am unsure about zenge. Dubz's deep dive is making me less certain that he is wolfy. I'm not inclined to think dubz or lissa are wolfy either. Vampy is someone who I feel could be paired with multiple players who are still alive, so she feels like a safer vote if that makes sense. I could also see the tube thing being wolf motivated - I know she said she thought it was protective (and I really really want to believe her) but there's no way of knowing that's true. All we know is it was used on someone during the night and it prevented night actions on/from that person. That seems like something a wolf may choose to use to weaken village night actions.

Oh no, now I have to decide if the nooblets decided it was a good time for a little beep beep 🚌

 

[beans2020]

I'm starting to become concerned about a vampy/mkg wolf pairing. I don't disagree that the zenge/vampy and zenge/dubz pairings seem unlikely (possible but unlikely), but that leaves us with very limited options. Unless dubz/mkg is a thing.

For completeness sake, some reasons that I am not a wolf:
1. why would I be asking all of my random questions in the full thread? Why wouldn't I be asking them in the wolf chat? My main example of such being:

Another nooblet/mechanic-y question real fast - obviously there are multiple wolves, so how is it decided who visits? Like tonight genny saw PSV and Lissa, not all 2-3 wolves at once. Is that just something the mods pick?

2. When I gave vampy the bogo and learned that she is vanilla and genny asked about her being vanilla or vanilla villager - I immediately admitted that she was just vanilla. If I was a wolf and partnered with vampy, I would have held firm on her being declared a villager.

oh - it said vampy is vanilla. I guess it didn't specifically say villager - I just assumed vanilla = villager. Is that incorrect?

3. I want to point everyone's attention back to zenge's point when I mentioned being surprised I was still alive. Keeping nooblets around to convince players to misyeet them sounds like it is a normal strategy. I'm probably still here because the wolves knew we'd be having this exact conversation.

It’s really unlikely to be you.

It’s unfortunately not uncommon for wolves to save a new player for the final misyeet, or think they can manipulate you into voting where they want you to in a final 3 scenario.

But you’re really unlikely to be the night kill unless you do something mechanically clearing.

So in case it does end up there, be prepared for it.

(Unless it’s secretly been you the whole time 😱)

I can provide more upon request - I just have to go run some errands so will pop back on when I'm done.

(also it took me so long to figure out how to insert quotes ahhhhh)

 

[WildZoo]

- i’ve been accurately read with BOGO

This doesn't mean anything vampy. It didn't give affiliation.

- also said if i was assigned wolf i wouldn’t run as mayor because i simply dont have the time to play two roles

revives the thought of no wolves D0