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Well, there's still 9 hours in the day so seems a bit premature.
How do you feel about Cubs shading TME earlier?I know this question wasn't directed at me but to me TME has surpassed Bread in sketchiness - I'm not feeling better about Bread though, TME has just moved more red. And Cubs is right about on par with Bread now
could be distancing because cubs did nothing with that shadeHow do you feel about Cubs shading TME earlier?
The Lupin vote seems really off. I haven’t played much with Lupin, so maybe I’m missing something but I haven’t seen anything this game that’s setting off alarm bells. I did think it was kind of weird that she was telling us all how we should think about Cray being suspicious of her, but overall I’m not seeing enough to make her a primary yeet candidate.
It gives me pause though when one of my wolf reads shades another. Like either I should reevaluate Cubs or he knows I’m wrong an is looking to nudge me in the wrong direction.
It's not something I would attribute to either affiliation in lupin's case. For one, no way to know ahead of time that splitting would be the way kd would go with it. Could have been RNG'd to one or the other, could have led to a run-off like what we had in England, etc. For me it's about optics. People think wolves are less likely to do wacky things with votes, but I've seen wolves do wacky things with votes (and have done them myself).What do you think about a wolf preferring/not preferring that mayoral powers be split between two people versus one?
I actually feel like they're still compatible as w/w. Here are his mentions of TME:How do you feel about Cubs shading TME earlier?
The post above was made before TME was getting too much pressure, and also wasn't an originally posted thought. Just echoing your read without putting much additional pressure there. Good way for two wolves to distance each other early on without bringing a lot of attention to it.Despite your read on me being based purely off of Dina's, I'm in a semi-similar situation with your read here. I was thinking last night about how super villagey TME's posts usually sound, and then harkened back to RvB. I didnt feel it was enough to really warrant a post about, but since you've brought it up, Im in agreement here.
And here he actually walks his red TME read back a little - not willing to vote there, and uses the hardcore defending as an excuse not to vote there, which I've already talked about being a weird reason.TME i still agree with Zenge on about that specific point, but as stated thats not enough for me to vote there yet. She also seems to be pretty hardcore defending this morning.
Yeah, I'm not using it as a way to read Lupin, more concerned about Cubs using it as a stretchy argumentIt's not something I would attribute to either affiliation in lupin's case. For one, no way to know ahead of time that splitting would be the way kd would go with it. Could have been RNG'd to one or the other, could have led to a run-off like what we had in England, etc. For me it's about optics. People think wolves are less likely to do wacky things with votes, but I've seen wolves do wacky things with votes (and have done them myself).
Bottom line the move itself is NAI for me I don't think cubs' read of it is totally unreasonable, but it's assuming lupin would know the outcome ahead of time.
TME, Bread, and Cubs are wigging me out the most right now, and Zenge seems to be an easy target for deflection
Yeah, I agree. Zenge did no fishing im just a curious person and I’ve publically mentioned like “oh I get to PM someone daily” or “I break ties”. Particularly the break ties because that puts the power player’s, not mod’s hands.I didn't feel like it was fishing either. He responded after I did. If anything it would've been samac who was fishing lol.
I’m honestly not sure. I need to go back through last night’s posts, I do know she’s so adaptable though that I have to keep a critical eye. The main reason she got caught in Bioshock was very offhanded.@samac how are you feeling about cray now?
That’s totally fair.I feel like you’re expectations are for me to be LateGame!Zenge. I tend to not have much to say in the early game, especially an early game like this one where we don’t have a lot of “who’s pushing to yeet who, and why” yet, because the first day was an election.
It's a feels thing, I understand having a feel on someone but not being able to describe why. I also understand why someone would trust another person's read if that person has a good history reading them. On the other hand, things feel weird when someone tries explaining a read and a vote that seemingly comes out of nowhere with things that don't add up logicallyClearly nothing I contribute is ever good enough for anyone. Please explain to me how Dina basically just saying "Cubs doesnt feel right" and then Zenge saying "I trust Dina" is somehow acceptable but me giving a specific example of something that caused me some pause is the most ridiculous thing youve ever heard?
I don't have a read on her yet.@Animal Midwife how are you reading genny?
I actually feel like they're still compatible as w/w. Here are his mentions of TME:
The post above was made before TME was getting too much pressure, and also wasn't an originally posted thought. Just echoing your read without putting much additional pressure there. Good way for two wolves to distance each other early on without bringing a lot of attention to it.
And here he actually walks his red TME read back a little - not willing to vote there, and uses the hardcore defending as an excuse not to vote there, which I've already talked about being a weird reason.
Just of note didn’t TME pocket you in RvB?Re-evaluating with new evidence isnt walking anything back. In both instances I said that it pinged me, but wasnt enough for me to vote there yet, and added that her efforts to come on and defend seemed genuine. I didnt even bring it up the original point until Zenge did because it was noticeable but a weak reason to fully wolf read her.
I think he almost gave her a vig shotJust of note didn’t TME pocket you in RvB?
Can confirm, only thwarted by RNG lolI think he almost gave her a vig shot
It's a feels thing, I understand having a feel on someone but not being able to describe why. I also understand why someone would trust another person's read if that person has a good history reading them. On the other hand, things feel weird when someone tries explaining a read and a vote that seemingly comes out of nowhere with things that don't add up logically
Just of note didn’t TME pocket you in RvB?
I did the best I could to explain why your logic isn't adding up for meDid I not open my Lupin post stating that it was largely based on gut feels, and then showed one instance where I saw something I kinda didnt like? Why are you and dina's feels about me ok, but mine about Lupin arent?
I think a lot of it has to do with how the reads are presented. I can say that I feel okay about dy, but if you told me to pull quotes and explain why they make me feel that way, I couldn't do it. It's just a feel. I don't have meta to pull from either.Did I not open my Lupin post stating that it was largely based on gut feels, and then showed one instance where I saw something I kinda didnt like? Why are you and dina's feels about me ok, but mine about Lupin arent?
On the other hand, if I was wolfing, I'd feel more inclined to explain myself and find quotes so that my arguments seem more valid. Sometimes it doesn't work out in my favor because it gets too over-explainy or I force myself to pick things apart to justify my reads and the picking apart ends up not making sense or sounding stretchy.
Are you feeling any better about bread?
Yeah, I agree. Zenge did no fishing im just a curious person and I’ve publically mentioned like “oh I get to PM someone daily” or “I break ties”. Particularly the break ties because that puts the power player’s, not mod’s hands.
Possibly less likely, but not impossible. TME placed that vote out of self-prez and showed hesitation placing it, and also placed it early and said she would be happy to change it if another option came up. It would be suspicious if she didn't self-prez at one point or anotherTME voting for him is interesting too. Makes it less likely they're w/w
I think they both tend to be low hanging fruits.@samac if you had to move your vote to bread or TME which would it be?
i dont think tme really qualifies as lhfI think they both tend to be low hanging fruits.
Probably bread, though. His return didn’t seem very helpful.
I get the worries with TME but she tends to be a pretty easy misyeet.
She felt off to me early in RvB but I backed off that later. She doesn’t feel the same right now.
She is always low hanging fruit. She often dies or is yeeted early.i dont think tme really qualifies as lhf
they're here and they're making an effort. I just think that effort it wolfy
I don't see any real solving from that slot
I do see what Samac is saying though, TME is often seen as suspicious early in the gamei dont think tme really qualifies as lhf
Can you highlight some of these interactions and why they make you think we’re dealing with wolf!cray?The interactions with cray and AM don’t feel typical.
She's only been misyeeted once. What do you mean by this?She is always low hanging fruit. She often dies or is yeeted early.
Now that’s theres 21 pages to be honest probably not. It’s DnD day.Can you highlight some of these interactions and why they make you think we’re dealing with wolf!cray?
I’m just trying to get an understanding of what you’re seeing with Cray. So aside from those interactions with AM, and general feels, what are you seeing there?Now that’s theres 21 pages to be honest probably not. It’s DnD day.
Oho the living WW dictionary is back to help usShe's only been misyeeted once. What do you mean by this?
This feels weirdly defensive considering you’re not on the chopping block atmI think a lot of it has to do with how the reads are presented. I can say that I feel okay about dy, but if you told me to pull quotes and explain why they make me feel that way, I couldn't do it. It's just a feel. I don't have meta to pull from either.
On the other hand, if I was wolfing, I'd feel more inclined to explain myself and find quotes so that my arguments seem more valid. Sometimes it doesn't work out in my favor because it gets too over-explainy or I force myself to pick things apart to justify my reads and the picking apart ends up not making sense or sounding stretchy.
I get that vibe here with your posts.And I already explained how part of your Lupin argument doesn't add up to me
The interactions with AM are not a cause of a read for Cray. I just think they’re compatible.I’m just trying to get an understanding of what you’re seeing with Cray. So aside from those interactions with AM, and general feels, what are you seeing there?
Do you have thoughts on Enigma self-prezzing this early?This feels weirdly defensive considering you’re not on the chopping block atm
not that I think it makes you a wolf. Just noting it
I remember so much sus being on her throughout games that actually surprises me.She's only been misyeeted once. What do you mean by this?
I'm not defending myself, I was giving an example of my own actions to describe to Cubs why I feel like he sounds weirdThis feels weirdly defensive considering you’re not on the chopping block atm
not that I think it makes you a wolf. Just noting it
Does this information affect anything?I remember so much sus being on her throughout games that actually surprises me.
@cubsrule4e what are your thoughts on Bread today?
Not really, I don’t think it’s unreasonableDo you have thoughts on Enigma self-prezzing this early?
To be honest not really. I just read through her olympics posts (not a lot of them) and they feel similar to here.Does this information affect anything?
I guess I read that post from April differently, i think it sounds much more in line with her village meta.This feels weirdly defensive considering you’re not on the chopping block atm
not that I think it makes you a wolf. Just noting it
Not loving the guilt trip here, but otherwise good pointsTime is doing what we call omgus
No hint of me being a wolf read for them until I wolf read them. Interesting
Being defensive about being browbeaten for my reads early doesn't make me a wolf. It just makes several people here paranoid about reads to the point it annoyed me
I've done more to try and solve this game than half the people in the thread but I get that doesn't matter on sdn
dy, if the vote goes against me today, when I come up village who will you be voting for next?i dont think tme really qualifies as lhf
they're here and they're making an effort. I just think that effort it wolfy
I don't see any real solving from that slot