CHOOSE YOUR OWWN IV - Game Thread

[Barkley13]

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Winston says it’s walk time and I cannot deny this face so I’ll finish catching up when we return

Spoiler: Best boy

 

[supershorty]

samac's mason thing did not factor into my read at all. TBH I really am not thinking about affiliation claims. I'm sorry if you're looking for more, but for samac it really is just vibes, "something felt off."

I was because that's one of the people we're reading differently, so I'm trying to sort through it, but that's okay if it's just vibes based and you don't have words for it. *grumbles inwardly, jk*

I think she got flack from other players for limited reasoning on her reads lists, and it seemed to be part of what led other players to start a wagon on her. I did not have that criticism of her reads list

Yeah, that's how I interpreted it - my question was more about whether you felt the criticism was unjustified, but you answered it with the second half here.

 

[GoSpursGo]

I'm not sure about how I feel about these mini-ISOs that rae is doing - I like that she's putting in the effort, but a lot of what's in them is less analysis and more summarizing posts, particularly in the Clem one. I'm also not sure how I feel about the Clem one in particular - Clem is someone she says she has a hard time reading, but then her ISO on him is only 3 of his posts, which doesn't scream "putting in a lot of effort to try to read him."

To be fair, I think she did some mini-ISO's when she was wolfing in SPN to try and gain some village cred. So while I've more or less given her the benefit of the doubt, this is in wolf-range for rae.

Anywho. I don't think she's quite in my POE, but worth keeping in mind.

 

[kitzsuna]

Flip flopping fruit is not pingy. Fruit is the waffliest waffler to ever waffle. It's the ring around a rosie he did toward the end of the night that got me.

Noted ok

 

[supershorty]

For kitz, I think a lot of people derpcleared her for the discussion you mentioned above. But what stood out to me was I think she only offered reads when pressed, and only then offered negative opinions on highly visible posters (you, dubZ, and samac) and someone who W-read her (apop). Those reads don't look very village-y to me.

Sure. I think that take makes sense, even though I don't agree with it myself.

 

[alissa14]

Right now my reads are something like this:
village: shorty (or 3p), samac, kitz, SAR
Village lean: psv, genny, barks????
POE: fruit, dubz, zenge, apop, rae

Everyone else I can’t quite sort yet but that at least covers everyone I have played multiple games with

 

[supershorty]

To be fair, I think she did some mini-ISO's when she was wolfing in SPN to try and gain some village cred. So while I've more or less given her the benefit of the doubt, this is in wolf-range for rae.

Well, that's what I was getting at, there's often a difference in content to me that (this comment is not specific to rae) speaks to "looking like doing busywork" versus truly analyzing.

 

[supershorty]

Village lean: psv, genny, barks????

Why Barks?

(spoiler: I have barks as neutral right now)

 

[_rae_]

Well, that's what I was getting at, there's often a difference in content to me that (this comment is not specific to rae) speaks to "looking like doing busywork" versus truly analyzing.

This is legit killing me right now because I'm genuinely trying lol

 

[alissa14]

Why Barks?

(spoiler: I have barks as neutral right now)

Barks is just a HAIR out of neutral right now. There’s just something tonally that feels village right now with how she’s been catching up. But it’s an extremely soft whisper of a lean

 

[alissa14]

Spoiler: Fruit/rae analysis

99. @fruitsalad - I’m feeling more confident in my fruit reads. Currently V.

let's try

unyeet CG
yeet raes

for now

@Animal Midwife @kaydubs @Dr. ForgotToFlush

Fruit, why?

ok i don't feel good with the raes vote, just got a hunch this is a bad vote and i'm making a mistake

unyeet rae
yeet spurs

@Animal Midwife @kaydubs @Dr. ForgotToFlush

Please explain your change of heart that occurred in ~6 minutes

i quickly reviewed raes posts again in my accelerated catchup and i think the way she's handling spurs is villagey and her general solving process looks at times tonally ok, this doesn't look like wolf raes i know from before

Important to note that this came AFTER Rae’s reads list that didn’t have a whole lot of actual analysis in it.

Flip flopping fruit is not pingy. Fruit is the waffliest waffler to ever waffle. It's the ring around a rosie he did toward the end of the night that got me.

I’m not going to say this is Rae trying to defend fruit, but it is interesting that she brings up his tendency to flip flop when it has already been brought up in thread multiple times

I could see some light bussing between a potential fruit/rae pack. I really dislike fruit waffles. They’re confusing to me and hard to analyze because it often comes with little to no explanation.

 

[alissa14]

Yeah. Plus can probably put dubz and shorty in it too

Why Dubz?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Why Dubz?

I liked her tone in end of day yesterday. I don't think scum dubz draws as much attention as loudly as she did last night with questioning her own vote unless she was paired with ceegee and looking for a way off which now we know she isn't

 

[alissa14]

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Someone please tell me if this logic is off. I really want to give spurs a village read based on aff claim alone. Claiming innocent child when there’s only 1 available card in the deck is quite the gamble if it was part of someone else’s roll. Innocent child cannot be combined with any other scum faction either. i just think it would be incredibly risky for a scum player to claim this as their aff role when there’s a chance that someone else got the card and could easily call them out. It’s definitely not a risk I would take if I were scum, especially because when yeeted, all of my posts would be analyzed and I’d worry about implicating my teammate

 

[alissa14]

Someone please tell me if this logic is off. I really want to give spurs a village read based on aff claim alone. Claiming innocent child when there’s only 1 available card in the deck is quite the gamble if it was part of someone else’s roll. Innocent child cannot be combined with any other scum faction either. i just think it would be incredibly risky for a scum player to claim this as their aff role when there’s a chance that someone else got the card and could easily call them out. It’s definitely not a risk I would take if I were scum, especially because when yeeted, all of my posts would be analyzed and I’d worry about implicating my teammate

Alternatively, say I chose innocent child as my ability, and I knew that spurs was lying, I suppose I would hesitate to out myself right away and call him out. Instead, I would look for every possible reason that spurs was sus and try to get people to form a wagon with me. ughh maybe I don’t know anything

 

[_rae_]

Since no one appreciated my mini isos, let's go back to this format

Village:
1. @_rae_ it’s a me, Mario
6. @kitzsuna - derp!V, easily poking at high posters, if she's wolfing someone is coaching her really well.
10. @alissa14 - I like the work she's doing today. A lot of people say they accidentally scum read her, but I'm getting village vibes. Especially doing all that work with the votes and such. The wifom they just went through on spurs too also feels village.
14. @potentialsheltervet - I felt like her push on samac made sense. I didn't agree with it because I saw the samac confusion I think, but I followed her logic. I feel like her pokes have been very reasonable.
11. @apoptosis09 - this is all well within apop's village range. I also like that apop didn't jump on the CG wagon, even though zenge was truly at risk of being yeeted for a bit.

Neutral/Unsure:
13. @Barkley13 - still playing catch up, don't have a good read. Obviously I'm sus reading spurs so the spurs vote doesn't feel bad to me, but I could be wrong.
2. @Clem J - see mini iso
9. @beans2020 - I don't love beans' CG vote, but her other pokes have felt natural (asking about Kitz and I, asking about Barks). She is village reading zenge and I am not, but that could be difference in analysis.
3. @SARdoghandler - I don't think I like SAR putting Dubz in their town list; having flashbacks to SAR/dubz wolf team. Having said that, her beans yeet felt genuine and her interactions with Samac after voting for her felt village.
5. @genny - genny unyeeted zenge and did not end up voting last night. I dislike that. But everything else about genny feels village.
utc. @supershorty - I think the panicking on the zenge vote is village coded. Her pokes and questions feel natural. Tbf I have never seen shorty wolf, but I don't think wolf!shorty would get off of zenge so quickly at the last second. Similar to genny though, I dislike the lack of vote.

POE:
99. @fruitsalad - see mini iso, I highly dislike fruit's vote patterns and interactions with zenge. Fruit is #1 wolf right now.
12. @Zenge142 - I don’t like Zenge's interactions with fruit and I'm not a fan of how that vote went.
21. @GoSpursGo - see mini iso and interactions today,
7. @WildZoo - I did not like dubz' reads list. Wolf reading shorty, village reading fruit, "pinged" CG and ended up voting there EOD even after noting they were misyeeted in SPN.


Dead
4. @CeeGee14 - don’t want to yeet CG yet. CG is frequently misyeetable. <---- what I said pre-CG flip

 

[supershorty]

Sorry, I was off trying and failing to enroll a dog into a trial.

easily poking at high posters

I mean, she made a single comment that she was maybe sus of me and Dubz and like one follow up post, but hasn't followed through much beyond that. I feel like you're giving her a lot of credit here.

For both you and @GoSpursGo, in my experience, brand new nooblets are more likely to be sus of people with a lot of posts/threadpull and of people sussing them, just as a baseline. In thinking about it now, I'm not sure that I've played with a new nooblet who was wolfing early out (if I have, it's been a while and I don't remember it) - but I know when I played with PSV's sister in her first game, it was super similar to this. I think it's *slightly* less likely that a wolf!nooblet (assuming they have packmates) is encouraged to have me or Dubz as their ONLY sus, just because both of us are difficult pushes and it's not likely to be fruitful. On the other hand, both of us have been guilty before of giving someone village points for trying to push us, so they could be advised of that, I guess, I just don't think it's super likely. So those things make me want to give some slight town points, personally, but like I said before, I understand Spurs' take on it as well.

 

[GoSpursGo]

Since no one appreciated my mini isos

I appreciated them! Was just noting it's not outside your wolf-range.

 

[fruitsalad]

well that was a pretty crappy day

 

[fruitsalad]

i don’t really like this coordinated push on me

 

[supershorty]

Someone please tell me if this logic is off. I really want to give spurs a village read based on aff claim alone. Claiming innocent child when there’s only 1 available card in the deck is quite the gamble if it was part of someone else’s roll. Innocent child cannot be combined with any other scum faction either. i just think it would be incredibly risky for a scum player to claim this as their aff role when there’s a chance that someone else got the card and could easily call them out. It’s definitely not a risk I would take if I were scum, especially because when yeeted, all of my posts would be analyzed and I’d worry about implicating my teammate

You played a game where multiple people claimed a 1 available in the deck lol

Italicized is a good point though.

I'm not going to town read him based off of that, but I will keep town reading you hmmyes

 

[supershorty]

I haven't had a chance to look at rae's fruit ISO yet and I probably won't until I get home tonight, but I am pretty interested to see what it looks like given that he was her strongest town yesterday and now seems to be her strongest scum.

 

[supershorty]

This is legit killing me right now because I'm genuinely trying lol

well now I feel bad!

 

[_rae_]

I haven't had a chance to look at rae's fruit ISO yet and I probably won't until I get home tonight, but I am pretty interested to see what it looks like given that he was her strongest town yesterday and now seems to be her strongest scum.

Uh oh, it's just a list of fruit's votes

 

[supershorty]

Uh oh, it's just a list of fruit's votes

😐

 

[fruitsalad]

Would you care to walk us through your thought process to explain what you were trying to accomplish?

quite frankly, i vote for my wolfreads and i’m happy with voting the leading wagons on the board

granted i was transparent i was reluctant to vote zenge due to a soft spot for being my manator but i still voted for him

i take issue when you guys are well aware of how i village vs how i wolf and then try to make exaggerated claims that this craziness is wolf motivated

you saw how i wolfed last game, i’m conservative with my votes and i don’t actually change my votee (i parked on moons in the halloween game for instance)

my issue is this sudden drop and contradiction in reasoning simply because i ended up on CG, i’m getting condemned for hindsight

 

[_rae_]

😐

🤐

 

[fruitsalad]

sorry for being snippy, i just didn’t like this coordinated push that suddenly appeared on me with people dropping me to wolfreads out of the blue due to exaggerated focus on voting patterns and extrapolating what i would or would not do

and it honestly looks like i’m getting scolded out of hindsight bias

because CG is village, i get condemned as if i led that wagon and with no doubt given that i simply made a bad move in a high pressure environment

i also note the wolfreads i mentioned last night are launching this coordinated attack on me (see spurs, rae, barky, with alissa confusingly hopping on because my wafflee give her a headache - sorry for being indecisive)

 

[supershorty]

I guess to me (because i am not following as closely/intently?) the high posts = a bit straw grabby, trying to point fingers where i’m not really seeing a lot of evidence to point at and a way to misdirect. But that could also be me!

I will say after seeing someone consolidate all of the fruit flip flop votes that did ping me pretty hard as scummy, as someone who doesnt like to change votes and flop around

I havent decided who i am voting on tomorrow yet. (If i make it through tonight lol)

Hm, okay. Can you tell me who you feel good about? Town finding town is, IMO, as important as scum hunting, especially in a setup like this.

 

[Clem J]

Since no one appreciated my mini isos, let's go back to this format

Village:
1. @_rae_ it’s a me, Mario
6. @kitzsuna - derp!V, easily poking at high posters, if she's wolfing someone is coaching her really well.
10. @alissa14 - I like the work she's doing today. A lot of people say they accidentally scum read her, but I'm getting village vibes. Especially doing all that work with the votes and such. The wifom they just went through on spurs too also feels village.
14. @potentialsheltervet - I felt like her push on samac made sense. I didn't agree with it because I saw the samac confusion I think, but I followed her logic. I feel like her pokes have been very reasonable.
11. @apoptosis09 - this is all well within apop's village range. I also like that apop didn't jump on the CG wagon, even though zenge was truly at risk of being yeeted for a bit.

Neutral/Unsure:
13. @Barkley13 - still playing catch up, don't have a good read. Obviously I'm sus reading spurs so the spurs vote doesn't feel bad to me, but I could be wrong.
2. @Clem J - see mini iso
9. @beans2020 - I don't love beans' CG vote, but her other pokes have felt natural (asking about Kitz and I, asking about Barks). She is village reading zenge and I am not, but that could be difference in analysis.
3. @SARdoghandler - I don't think I like SAR putting Dubz in their town list; having flashbacks to SAR/dubz wolf team. Having said that, her beans yeet felt genuine and her interactions with Samac after voting for her felt village.
5. @genny - genny unyeeted zenge and did not end up voting last night. I dislike that. But everything else about genny feels village.
utc. @supershorty - I think the panicking on the zenge vote is village coded. Her pokes and questions feel natural. Tbf I have never seen shorty wolf, but I don't think wolf!shorty would get off of zenge so quickly at the last second. Similar to genny though, I dislike the lack of vote.

POE:
99. @fruitsalad - see mini iso, I highly dislike fruit's vote patterns and interactions with zenge. Fruit is #1 wolf right now.
12. @Zenge142 - I don’t like Zenge's interactions with fruit and I'm not a fan of how that vote went.
21. @GoSpursGo - see mini iso and interactions today,
7. @WildZoo - I did not like dubz' reads list. Wolf reading shorty, village reading fruit, "pinged" CG and ended up voting there EOD even after noting they were misyeeted in SPN.


Dead
4. @CeeGee14 - don’t want to yeet CG yet. CG is frequently misyeetable. <---- what I said pre-CG flip

I appreciated mine, I'm very vane

 

[fruitsalad]

I’m confused why you kept bringing me up and trying to push me when I wasn’t here/hasn’t posted in a while? I have not seen you bring anyone else up much

this is a straight up contradiction to everything else i did and i’m getting accused of

 

[genny]

and it honestly looks like i’m getting scolded out of hindsight bias

I could scold you for how you’re going to vote tomorrow, if you’d prefer that

 

[fruitsalad]

Zenge and fruits weren't talking to each other, they were trying to convince other players to follow a rae wagon.

this is a strange interpretation of events

it was shorty who pointed out her discomfort on rae that i followed up with the vote

also i voted zenge for a bit

 

[fruitsalad]

This feels weird from fruits, throwing shade after it had already been pointed out to be sketchy. Along with only bringing up me all day when I was absent where there were people he could’ve talked to/tried to push in real time and all the waffling at the end for no stated reasons

barky, you need to stop ignoring the context

i was on the rae vote, and i added a followup reasoning

i was not focusing solely on you

i focused on beans, CG, spurs, and even zenge, all of which you chose to ignore

the fact you insist on pushing this false narrative isn’t coming across as sincere attempt to solve but rather a retaliatory attack on me because i was raising questions on you

 

[fruitsalad]

Flip flopping fruit is not pingy. Fruit is the waffliest waffler to ever waffle. It's the ring around a rosie he did toward the end of the night that got me.

what, voting for wolfreads who were all leading?

 

[_rae_]

what, voting for wolfreads who were all leading?

Spurs and I were certainly not leading

 

[genny]

You've done similar meaning voting at 8:59, or pulling a vote and non-voting?

Both. I’ve done both.

Consider whether wolf!genny would want the kind of attention a last-minute vote change can bring. Like why would I vote zenge at all if we’re both wolves in this situation. And if zenge is a villager but I’m a wolf, why the heck wouldn’t I let him go down. He’s a good wolf hunter, and if I can get him yeeted then I don’t have to nk him.

 

[GoSpursGo]

quite frankly, i vote for my wolfreads and i’m happy with voting the leading wagons on the board

granted i was transparent i was reluctant to vote zenge due to a soft spot for being my manator but i still voted for him

i take issue when you guys are well aware of how i village vs how i wolf and then try to make exaggerated claims that this craziness is wolf motivated

you saw how i wolfed last game, i’m conservative with my votes and i don’t actually change my votee (i parked on moons in the halloween game for instance)

my issue is this sudden drop and contradiction in reasoning simply because i ended up on CG, i’m getting condemned for hindsight

I'm sorry you don't like facing a little heat. I did not appreciate it yesterday (and into today), but that's the game.

If you were earnestly voting for your wolfreads, could you please walk us through the progression of your votes?

My exact point is that I am aware of how you have historically played village and how you have historically played wolf. Am I supposed to just forever assume you're going to keep wolfing the exact same way? This is why I took the time to actually look at the progression of your votes at the beginning of the day, and if your explanation above is that you vote your wolfreads, then how exactly did you have a wolfread on Barky at 9:14pm or SAR at 9:21pm right after thread open?

I am not condemning you, personally, for the CG vote. I noted you, shorty, and genny all changing at the last minute. I can readily understand shorty changing. You and genny changing at the last minute deserves some scrutiny, IMO.

sorry for being snippy, i just didn’t like this coordinated push that suddenly appeared on me with people dropping me to wolfreads out of the blue due to exaggerated focus on voting patterns and extrapolating what i would or would not do

and it honestly looks like i’m getting scolded out of hindsight bias

because CG is village, i get condemned as if i led that wagon and with no doubt given that i simply made a bad move in a high pressure environment

i also note the wolfreads i mentioned last night are launching this coordinated attack on me (see spurs, rae, barky, with alissa confusingly hopping on because my wafflee give her a headache - sorry for being indecisive)

I think it is almost impossible that this is a coordinated attack. I think multiple players are independently finding your voting pattern unusual, even given what we know about your play style.

this is a strange interpretation of events

it was shorty who pointed out her discomfort on rae that i followed up with the vote

also i voted zenge for a bit

To be clear, I was not saying that you guys were coordinated in trying to start a rae wagon, I think you were both independently trying to help the wagon build steam. I was clarifying what appeared to be a misunderstanding in shorty's question.

 

[fruitsalad]

Spoiler: Fruit/rae analysis

Important to note that this came AFTER Rae’s reads list that didn’t have a whole lot of actual analysis in it.

I’m not going to say this is Rae trying to defend fruit, but it is interesting that she brings up his tendency to flip flop when it has already been brought up in thread multiple times

I could see some light bussing between a potential fruit/rae pack. I really dislike fruit waffles. They’re confusing to me and hard to analyze because it often comes with little to no explanation.

i don’t bus

 

[WildZoo]

Since no one appreciated my mini isos, let's go back to this format

Village:
1. @_rae_ it’s a me, Mario
6. @kitzsuna - derp!V, easily poking at high posters, if she's wolfing someone is coaching her really well.
10. @alissa14 - I like the work she's doing today. A lot of people say they accidentally scum read her, but I'm getting village vibes. Especially doing all that work with the votes and such. The wifom they just went through on spurs too also feels village.
14. @potentialsheltervet - I felt like her push on samac made sense. I didn't agree with it because I saw the samac confusion I think, but I followed her logic. I feel like her pokes have been very reasonable.
11. @apoptosis09 - this is all well within apop's village range. I also like that apop didn't jump on the CG wagon, even though zenge was truly at risk of being yeeted for a bit.

Neutral/Unsure:
13. @Barkley13 - still playing catch up, don't have a good read. Obviously I'm sus reading spurs so the spurs vote doesn't feel bad to me, but I could be wrong.
2. @Clem J - see mini iso
9. @beans2020 - I don't love beans' CG vote, but her other pokes have felt natural (asking about Kitz and I, asking about Barks). She is village reading zenge and I am not, but that could be difference in analysis.
3. @SARdoghandler - I don't think I like SAR putting Dubz in their town list; having flashbacks to SAR/dubz wolf team. Having said that, her beans yeet felt genuine and her interactions with Samac after voting for her felt village.
5. @genny - genny unyeeted zenge and did not end up voting last night. I dislike that. But everything else about genny feels village.
utc. @supershorty - I think the panicking on the zenge vote is village coded. Her pokes and questions feel natural. Tbf I have never seen shorty wolf, but I don't think wolf!shorty would get off of zenge so quickly at the last second. Similar to genny though, I dislike the lack of vote.

POE:
99. @fruitsalad - see mini iso, I highly dislike fruit's vote patterns and interactions with zenge. Fruit is #1 wolf right now.
12. @Zenge142 - I don’t like Zenge's interactions with fruit and I'm not a fan of how that vote went.
21. @GoSpursGo - see mini iso and interactions today,
7. @WildZoo - I did not like dubz' reads list. Wolf reading shorty, village reading fruit, "pinged" CG and ended up voting there EOD even after noting they were misyeeted in SPN.


Dead
4. @CeeGee14 - don’t want to yeet CG yet. CG is frequently misyeetable. <---- what I said pre-CG flip

When did I wolf read shorty?

 

[fruitsalad]

I'm sorry you don't like facing a little heat.

just responding to this because i want to stop this misunderstanding

i don’t care about facing the heat

what i don’t like is being attacked in a coordinated fashion out of nowhere for seemingly contradictory reasons

 

[fruitsalad]

POE:
99. @fruitsalad - see mini iso, I highly dislike fruit's vote patterns and interactions with zenge. Fruit is #1 wolf right now.
12. @Zenge142 - I don’t like Zenge's interactions with fruit and I'm not a fan of how that vote went.
21. @GoSpursGo - see mini iso and interactions today,
7. @WildZoo - I did not like dubz' reads list. Wolf reading shorty, village reading fruit, "pinged" CG and ended up voting there EOD even after noting they were misyeeted in SPN.

why are you grouping me with zenge when i voted zenge for a while? why are you also grouping me with spurs when you and spurs are both launching attacks on me of virtually the same reasons?

 

[_rae_]

When did I wolf read shorty?

I saw this:

horty - what if woof - idk what her scum range is but I'm pretty sure she's not outside it, especially in a multiball game. Not voting d1 anyway.

But missed this:

bedtime thought: shorty likely is just village

 

[supershorty]

I saw this:


But missed this:

I don't think that first one is Dubz wolf reading me, tbh, though I did not let that stop me from being offended by it

 

[WildZoo]

I liked her tone in end of day yesterday. I don't think scum dubz draws as much attention as loudly as she did last night with questioning her own vote unless she was paired with ceegee and looking for a way off which now we know she isn't

 

[fruitsalad]

Spurs and I were certainly not leading

you guys were under contention, while secondary to zenge and CG

 

[GoSpursGo]

Both. I’ve done both.

Consider whether wolf!genny would want the kind of attention a last-minute vote change can bring. Like why would I vote zenge at all if we’re both wolves in this situation. And if zenge is a villager but I’m a wolf, why the heck wouldn’t I let him go down. He’s a good wolf hunter, and if I can get him yeeted then I don’t have to nk him.

These are fair points.

Just to do the exercise, if you and Zenge are both wolves, you could put a vote on Zenge to make it appear you seriously have him in your POE, so if Zenge eventually goes over it doesn't appear you were protecting him. This would particularly fit with you being one of the last players to join the Zenge wagon at 8:29 (only fruits joined the wagon later, at 8:30, and you joined only after PSV joined at 8:27). You could also be making it appear that the wagon is going to be Zenge, and dissuade CG from self-prezzing. To your point... I'm not sure you would cut it that close on a vote that could have pushed your packmate over the edge.

I don't think I can concoct a scenario where you're a wolf and zenge is a villager and you don't let him just go over.

 

[WildZoo]

I saw this:


But missed this:

That first one is a null read my friend

 

[_rae_]

why are you grouping me with zenge when i voted zenge? why are you also grouping me with spurs when you and spurs are both launching attacks on me of virtually the same reasons?

Because you and zenge have weird alignments that I don't like.

Also, this is potentially multi-ball. POE does not mean I think everyone is in the same faction.

 

[WildZoo]

why are you grouping me with zenge when i voted zenge for a while? why are you also grouping me with spurs when you and spurs are both launching attacks on me of virtually the same reasons?

Oh you did vote Zenge? That makes me feel more confident about stuff