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I had her in a :shrug: category originally but she got a tick in wolf column for both of her wolf reads being on people who are sus of her. Don't care much for the reasoning either.

I'm still working out my feelings on cray with her more recent posts. Not sure if they've changed things for me yet.
There are also several people who’ve expressed suspicion of me that I have in my village or neutral categories
 
There are also several people who’ve expressed suspicion of me that I have in my village or neutral categories
That's irrelevant. My point is both of your wolf reads are retaliatory, not that you're retaliating against everyone who has said you're sus.
 
I'm going to look at CYO because I swear I'm getting flashbacks to arguments that were made about Zenge there but I want to confirm

Ah a lot of his posts there came after people got on his case about his reads list, so I'm just gonna :corny: on that and see how today goes
 
Day 2: Rage, You Damn Nerds Vote Tally

Bread (4)
- AM, April, Sporty, Dina
Cray (2) - DubZ, samac
DubZ (1) - Lupin
TME (1) - dyachei

8/14

Leading: —
Missing: @The_Breadmann @cubsrule4e @Crayola227 @Zenge142 @TelemarketingEnigma @genny

Vote ends at 10pm EDT, TODAY, Sunday, Sept. 12 (~11.75 hours)
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To be clear, I was never confused about bomb or vengeful. My point is, if villagers have abilities that have the potential to kill, that wolves can actively avoid (by not being on a yeet, or by only being in a certain position on a yeet, by not targeting someone for a NK), they like to know about this. I used the example of a bomb from RvB to give a concrete example, but by a similar logic I hope we can see that as much as wolves would hunt to sniff out a bomb, so they can plan their NKs accordingly, that wolves would also appreciate knowing if there is a vengeful. It won't necessarily mean that all wolves avoid getting on a vote or jumping off it, but it is something they care about and can plan around.

In fact, didn't someone fake claim or hint at having the ability to take someone down with them in RvB? I distinctly remember wolfchat with @TelemarketingEnigma and mkg where we had genuine concerns there might be someone like a vengeful, and it did indeed factor into our strategizing.

In any case, when wolves know there is a vengeful, especially if they know how it works, they can plan to deal with that in various ways, which can potentially lower the utility of it.

Pippy fake-claimed that she had made a bomb with her tinkerer ability in Time Warp and its why wolves lost the game because I avoided killing her towards end game. So knowing/not-knowing that kind of stuff definitely makes a difference.
 
wolfy feels
dy - it may just be a playstyle thing to some extent, similar to why I clash with AM often. But they were
quick to get defensive after people went after one post. Mildly reminiscent of how pippy sometimes overreacts when she feels threatened early as scum
Zenge142 - I do not like the inactivity. jumping in with a long reads post then going back to the background feels icky. I think the "wolves wouldn't run for mayor for the first time!" argument is weak (similar to the "I would NEVER bus" argument from anyone but AM). I also felt mildly icky about him happily sharing openly that there's a class rep ability after Dina declined to say anything - I think we all assumed there was, but it felt a little bit like fishing for Dina's new ability.
These wolf reads make me feel weird, like you're looking for just anyone to read wolf so it looks like you're wolf hunting. Dy is a strange choice to move directly to wolf leans off of a single interaction especially when you've never played with them before. I'm not a fan of your reasons for wolf reading Zenge, because I happen to find those the reasons I'm village reading him. Quiet D1/D2 Zenge matches his village meta because he observes closely from the sidelines as opposed to when he's wolfing and tries to get reads rolling early on to give the impression of wolf hunting. I didn't think he was fishing, there was already a discussion happening about it and he briefly mentioned his own mayor experience without giving any details away and without asking Dina any prying questions.
 
On re-read, this AM response to Bread's joke about homework seems a little weird. Like, she's trying to make conversation and it feels forced. That's not too weird for AM, but this still feels off.

I was starting to get a little uneasy about AM, seems her play kind of dropped off in the middle of what we've played so far, and I hadnt seen really any hard pushes on anyone, but the back and worth with the samac kind of landed her back into village territory. Felt very v/v and difficult/excessive to be manufactured, especially this early.
 
In my experience early game quietness and lurkiness is not unheard of for village!zenge. I think I've said this before in a previous game, but I give him an early game pass on those things because it can be NAI.
 
I was suspicious before but giving a chance since I don’t know you, but obviously I’m gonna be increasingly suspicious of people trying to misyeet me because I know they are wrong
But it's just as easy for villagers to be wrong as wolves to be wrong so it just appears retaliatory and doesn't catch wolves
 
I didn't think he was fishing, there was already a discussion happening about it and he briefly mentioned his own mayor experience without giving any details away and without asking Dina any prying questions.

I didn't feel like it was fishing either. He responded after I did. If anything it would've been samac who was fishing lol.
 
I was starting to get a little uneasy about AM, seems her play kind of dropped off in the middle of what we've played so far, and I hadnt seen really any hard pushes on anyone, but the back and worth with the samac kind of landed her back into village territory. Felt very v/v and difficult/excessive to be manufactured, especially this early.
What are your reads now?
 
I do not like the inactivity. jumping in with a long reads post then going back to the background feels icky.
I was here, reading the thread, ran a bunch of errands, then came back and finished and posted my reads. Not sure why I’m getting sus thrown on me for running errands on Saturday morning but here we are.
I also felt mildly icky about him happily sharing openly that there's a class rep ability after Dina declined to say anything - I think we all assumed there was, but it felt a little bit like fishing for Dina's new ability.
Excuse me? What are you talking about? Samac asked if any of the class rep abilities affected the game state. Dina said no for her, and didn’t know about me. Then I said no for me. Idk how you’re trying to turn that into me “Fishing for Dina’s ability”, but it’s super twisty.

I find it interesting that your POE consists of me who was the first one to really vocalize my concern with you, and dy who was the first one to vote for you. Seems like your POE is just retaliatory and filled with twisty logic and bad faith arguments.
 
I was here, reading the thread, ran a bunch of errands, then came back and finished and posted my reads. Not sure why I’m getting sus thrown on me for running errands on Saturday morning but here we are.

Excuse me? What are you talking about? Samac asked if any of the class rep abilities affected the game state. Dina said no for her, and didn’t know about me. Then I said no for me. Idk how you’re trying to turn that into me “Fishing for Dina’s ability”, but it’s super twisty.

I find it interesting that your POE consists of me who was the first one to really vocalize my concern with you, and dy who was the first one to vote for you. Seems like your POE is just retaliatory and filled with twisty logic and bad faith arguments.
Here’s the bold zenge I was waiting for!
 
cubs - i didn't love him jumping to follow zenge after he threw my name in the ring. maybe just hurt my feels lol. I probably deserve it though after RvB. i do think a rapid wolf sequence of such posts would be unlikely, so I would feel worse about cubs if zenge found his way back to my village reads. otherwise low impression.

To be fair, I had already formed that opinion on my own (I guess I cant really prove that) and it wasnt enough for me to create a full wolf read on you (also why my name isnt behind yours in the tally), but since it was brought up I felt like it was appropriate to give my thought on it.
 
To follow up, I feel like by this point in the game I’m used to village!Zenge having bolder opinions (often so bold I start wolf reading him) so the fact that of his four posts after the reads list, spread throughout the evening, 3 of them were just questions feels odd

edit: the numbers here are not quite right cause I can’t count on mobile but I stand by the vibe
I feel like you’re expectations are for me to be LateGame!Zenge. I tend to not have much to say in the early game, especially an early game like this one where we don’t have a lot of “who’s pushing to yeet who, and why” yet, because the first day was an election.
 
he waited until a few other people posted a reads list and mostly echoed those.
I waited until I’d actually had a chance to finish writing it. Post office closes early on Saturday and I had things to do.

You’ll notice that while other people posted lists, mine was a lot more detailed, with my own thoughts.
 
As are some others, D1 is difficult for me, and gut feels sometimes predominate over hard "evidence."

vote Lupin

(and I did just see she'd be gone most of the day, so keeping that in mind)

It could likely just be my high levels of paranoia usually accompanied with her presence, but a brief exchange between her and Genny made me uncomfortable a day or two ago. It also feels like she has been more socially involved than game-play involved, which is not quite how I remember her, albeit its been a while. Genny I feel seems to throw some small level of shade at me, but does it either way, as wolf or village, so I cant really use that to form a solid opinion yet.

TME i still agree with Zenge on about that specific point, but as stated thats not enough for me to vote there yet. She also seems to be pretty hardcore defending this morning.

Zenge doesnt necessarily feel wolfy to me, but in the few games I've played with him, he's been a Cubs defender which has caused us to be looked as buddying, etc, and I havent seen that this game; on the contrary he basically sheeped someone else's opinion on me, and then followed with "he hasnt doesnt anything village." Seems kind of weak reasoning to put me all the way down in wolf territory.

Anyone else I havent already mentioned as village leans I guess falls into neutral. Dina is still one of my higher village reads right now. She's usually not nearly this active, but as someone else pointed out, I think the source material has her excited. I'm not sure why that opinion has her and others wolf leaning me, but I guess it is what it is.
 
unvote Bread
vote TME


I'm feeling uncomfortable with some of the stuff in her reads list. Some of which is reminding me of RvB
 
Can you quote this exchange?

I think I want to village read Lupin this early.

And AM too, but I know no one should trust me about that for good reason.

I like Sporty’s entrance too.

unvote dina
vote lupin

i laugh in the face of danger

Hey now, you said I was villa

guilty conscience? 🤔

kaydubs is the dangerous one.

Ha! No you just always call me hard to figure out. I assumed you were taking about a bit for me. I’ll take it happily.

you are hard to figure out. but i feel like this time is not the time it's going to bite me in the ass if i decide to trust you earlier than usual.

Genny, you and I have some power here. Either one of us could tie this up last minute. I have excitement!

For additional context, this was all centered around making and breaking ties in the mayor vote. Genny leaves Dina to vote Lupes and creates a tie, and then at the last second Lupin unvotes herself, goes to dina, and creates a final tie between Dina and Zenge (which is weird enough in itself, and if theyre both wolves, potentially to not have her and genny show up together in the final tally?) Im not sure why wolves would orchestrate a mayoral tie, because potentially both mayors could receive the same power, but if theres really strong advantages it could weaken both players by having them have to split up their advantages.

I get it could have all been fun and games, but it stood out to me as I was reading all this straight through in catch up mode, and was my first "get my attention" segment. In other words, it didnt help my Lupin paranoia at all lol.
 
For additional context, this was all centered around making and breaking ties in the mayor vote. Genny leaves Dina to vote Lupes and creates a tie, and then at the last second Lupin unvotes herself, goes to dina, and creates a final tie between Dina and Zenge (which is weird enough in itself, and if theyre both wolves, potentially to not have her and genny show up together in the final tally?) Im not sure why wolves would orchestrate a mayoral tie, because potentially both mayors could receive the same power, but if theres really strong advantages it could weaken both players by having them have to split up their advantages.
Maybe instead of going through all these gymnastics to pull a wolf read out of your butt, you should go with the simpler “probably village” explanation.
 
Day 2: Rage, You Damn Nerds Vote Tally

Bread (3)
- AM, April, Sporty
Cray (2) - DubZ, samac
DubZ (1) - Lupin
TME (2) - dyachei, Dina
Lupin (1) - cubs

9/14

Leading: —
Missing: @The_Breadmann @Crayola227 @Zenge142 @TelemarketingEnigma @genny

Vote ends at 10pm EDT, TODAY, Sunday, Sept. 12 (~9.5 hours)
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Wasn’t really feeling good about TME, but I wanted to see more first.

Really didn’t like what felt like retaliation from TME against dy. Or trying to twist the facts and claim I was trying to ability hunt for Dina’s class rep ability.

Yeet TME
 
As are some others, D1 is difficult for me, and gut feels sometimes predominate over hard "evidence."

vote Lupin

(and I did just see she'd be gone most of the day, so keeping that in mind)

It could likely just be my high levels of paranoia usually accompanied with her presence, but a brief exchange between her and Genny made me uncomfortable a day or two ago. It also feels like she has been more socially involved than game-play involved, which is not quite how I remember her, albeit its been a while.
I'd like to think that more has happened in the game for you to focus on (with many different people, not just Lupin) so I'm finding it interesting that "a brief exchange a day or two ago" is one of your primary points against her
TME i still agree with Zenge on about that specific point, but as stated thats not enough for me to vote there yet. She also seems to be pretty hardcore defending this morning.
Is the simple fact of hardcore defending enough to keep her out of wolf leans with you? Because I found that her defense this morning and associated activity was suspicious enough to move her from a village lean to a wolf lean so I'm not really getting the logic here that the simple act of defending is village.
 
TME, Bread, and Cubs are wigging me out the most right now, and Zenge seems to be an easy target for deflection
 
Are you feeling any better about bread?
I know this question wasn't directed at me but to me TME has surpassed Bread in sketchiness - I'm not feeling better about Bread though, TME has just moved more red. And Cubs is right about on par with Bread now
 
I'd like to think that more has happened in the game for you to focus on (with many different people, not just Lupin) so I'm finding it interesting that "a brief exchange a day or two ago" is one of your primary points against her

Is the simple fact of hardcore defending enough to keep her out of wolf leans with you? Because I found that her defense this morning and associated activity was suspicious enough to move her from a village lean to a wolf lean so I'm not really getting the logic here that the simple act of defending is village.
I 100% disagree with your first paragraph here, because I often nab wolves with a single post or interaction. All it takes is one slip.
 
For additional context, this was all centered around making and breaking ties in the mayor vote. Genny leaves Dina to vote Lupes and creates a tie, and then at the last second Lupin unvotes herself, goes to dina, and creates a final tie between Dina and Zenge (which is weird enough in itself, and if theyre both wolves, potentially to not have her and genny show up together in the final tally?) Im not sure why wolves would orchestrate a mayoral tie, because potentially both mayors could receive the same power, but if theres really strong advantages it could weaken both players by having them have to split up their advantages.

I get it could have all been fun and games, but it stood out to me as I was reading all this straight through in catch up mode, and was my first "get my attention" segment. In other words, it didnt help my Lupin paranoia at all lol.
I would be less likely to believe a wolf would create a tie in a KD game than a villager. I think the theory of "weakening" mayoral power by splitting the advantages is a huge stretch for a motivation to make a tie, especially considering now you have two strengthened villagers instead of just one - aka, two people you now have to worry about killing or misyeeting as opposed to one.

Streeeeeetchy
 
I 100% disagree with your first paragraph here, because I often nab wolves with a single post or interaction. All it takes is one slip.
I just don't feel like there's a big slip in what he specifically quoted and his justification for seeing it as sketchy. If he had just agreed with Genny about the guilty conscience thing, then fine, I could get that, but he's trying to spin the tie breaking into some strategic move to weaken mayoral powers, and I don't buy that
 
Wasn’t really feeling good about TME, but I wanted to see more first.

Really didn’t like what felt like retaliation from TME against dy. Or trying to twist the facts and claim I was trying to ability hunt for Dina’s class rep ability.

Yeet TME
The ability thing was the least important of my concerns about you but I figured I’d mention it since it. If no one else felt icky about it that’s fine, it’s not why I would prefer to be voting you over bread
 
The ability thing was the least important of my concerns about you but I figured I’d mention it since it. If no one else felt icky about it that’s fine, it’s not why I would prefer to be voting you over bread
If you prefer a zenge yeet over a bread yeet why not put your vote where you feel strongest?
 
I'd like to think that more has happened in the game for you to focus on (with many different people, not just Lupin) so I'm finding it interesting that "a brief exchange a day or two ago" is one of your primary points against her

Is the simple fact of hardcore defending enough to keep her out of wolf leans with you? Because I found that her defense this morning and associated activity was suspicious enough to move her from a village lean to a wolf lean so I'm not really getting the logic here that the simple act of defending is village.
I’m defending myself because y’all spent all day tagging me yesterday and now you’re trying to yeet me. As a villager I would like to stay alive to help the village
 
If you prefer a zenge yeet over a bread yeet why not put your vote where you feel strongest?
Because I’m currently tied with bread and would like to stay alive. Doesn’t seem to be much momentum in a preferable direction for me but I’ll happily consider a move if it becomes an option.

edit - was tied, pre my vote
 
I would be less likely to believe a wolf would create a tie in a KD game than a villager. I think the theory of "weakening" mayoral power by splitting the advantages is a huge stretch for a motivation to make a tie, especially considering now you have two strengthened villagers instead of just one - aka, two people you now have to worry about killing or misyeeting as opposed to one.

Streeeeeetchy
To be fair, a mayoral tie is different from a yeet vote tie. Rare for people to die in a mayor tie (and iirc it was Kara, not kd, who made the choice to do that to me lol). I think from a game balance standpoint it would always be unlikely that a mod would choose to duplicate any particularly powerful mayor abilities so I wouldn't think that would be a concern for a wolf.
 
I’m defending myself because y’all spent all day tagging me yesterday and now you’re trying to yeet me. As a villager I would like to stay alive to help the village
I understand wanting to defend yourself, I'm just saying the content you've posted in order to defend yourself is coming off more wolfy to me and I'm not sure why Cubs is giving you village points for just defending when wolves can defend themselves too
 
To be fair, a mayoral tie is different from a yeet vote tie. Rare for people to die in a mayor tie (and iirc it was Kara, not kd, who made the choice to do that to me lol). I think from a game balance standpoint it would always be unlikely that a mod would choose to duplicate any particularly powerful mayor abilities so I wouldn't think that would be a concern for a wolf.
What do you think about a wolf preferring/not preferring that mayoral powers be split between two people versus one?
 
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